User talk:Brian Kurtz

Metahumans
Thought I'd give you a heads up about an easy way to get metahumans to auto-cat; simply list their "AlienRace = Metahuman." See Colin Brandywine (New Earth) for an example. The same thing works for Human/Alien Hybrids. The Paradox 23:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool! Good to know! Metahumans will also auto-cat in the Origin field as well. --Brian Kurtz 23:14, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm not sure that's true. Look at this version of Colin Brandywine (New Earth), in which Metahuman is in the origin but not Race field. At the bottom of the page, I'm not seeing a Metahuman cat. (Or category.) That's what caught my eye and why I added it to Race. The Paradox 23:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * (Not the breakdown all the way at the bottom, but the category list at the end of the article.) The Paradox 23:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Weird. It used to add it automatically. Mebbe something changed with all the template updates. Not sure. Good lookin' out. --Brian Kurtz 02:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed! Sorry about the temporary Metahuman autocat outage. Hybrid now puts the character in the Human Alien Hybrid Category as well.
 * Cheers!
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 06:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Not a good idea with Hybrids - there are other types than just Human/Alien, especially in the LSH era. Would somebody please remove that bit? The Paradox 21:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Gallery Categories
Would you add to each of the following protected category pages?
 * Category:Character Galleries
 * Category:Cover Art Galleries
 * Category:Fan Art Galleries

That will force them to appear on the first page of Category:Galleries.

I'm still trying to figure out the relationship between the various Image and Gallery categories. I asked Nathan a few days ago to shed some light, but since you work with images so much perhaps you would be better situated to help me understand. The Paradox 21:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Hyena
I know we were talking about this on your old talk page, but I couldn't access that right now (idk why, not important). Anyway, first of all, I just made a page for Villains United 3, the death of the Hyena we've been wondering about, so I suppose we should probably make a final decision on this. Anybody else watching this page, I encourage you to jump in on this one also. Anyway, both Jivan Shi and Summer Day are supposed to be dead. Here are their two deaths, I owned both of the comics, so I scanned both of them in:


 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:02, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Hrrrm. Tough call. I'd hate to make an arbitrary decision, but in lieu of better evidence, I guess we'll have to. I propose we make Summer the Villains United final death and Jivan the Salvation Planet final death. On their respective pages under "Final", we should probably include a footnote indicating that it is unclear which Hyena is which. Personally... I think this is just DC screwing up and not paying attention to their own continuity.

Oh... and the previous discussion can be found on my Archives page. My talk page was gettin' kinda long and I wanted to trim the fat, so to speak. --Brian Kurtz 19:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

superman page
Hey Brian can you do a favor revert the Superman page from "the Paradox" edits whose is jumbling all the entries together and LOCK the page from anymore of his edits as I am starting to get a little tired of this back and forth. I tried talking to him but it seems I have all the social skills of a dead mouse. Maybe I should go away again for a few more months.

I do not want todo a another edit war as I had with the Power Girl and Earth-22 Superman pages.... Kal_l_fan 11 October 2008


 * Which Superman pages, specifically, are you referring to?


 * Oh... and we might be separating Kingdom Come Supes from Earth-22 Supes in the near future. Hopefully that'll ease some of the problems that I've seen going on with that page. --Brian Kurtz 05:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah the main Superman disambig as you can see.
 * I see you or someone else got the preview copy of JSA 21 or the Kingdom Come special as to what Alex Ross intends to do this version Kingdom Come series.
 * I am still going to wait until the final versions of the books are released pending my earlier agreement regarding those pages.
 * Kal_l_fan 11 October 2008


 * So Brian so is it decided that the main Superman page is to remain in this disorganized format? I'm asking because I do not want to start a ping pong edit war.  If this is what you have decided so be it.
 * Kal_l_fan 11 October 2008


 * Well, admin status aside, its not really my place to make a final decision, as the Superman disambig page will doubtlessly evolve as more characters are created and more information is provided. That's the beauty, and yes, sometimes the detriment of a community project such as this. I appreciate that you don't want to start a ping-ping war, I'm pretty certain that nobody really does. All that would yield is frustration for all parties, and ultimately make the Database a less-fun place to be. Again... something that nobody wants to see happen. Currently, I echo Mrblonde267's sentiments as written here. I think that something this broad involving such a major character should not be decided upon arbitrarily, and should probably involve the entire community. The forums would be the best place for this. Please, feel free to start a forum topic on the matter. Perhaps even some of the editors from the Marvel side of the fence could give an outsider's perspective (so to speak). --Brian Kurtz 17:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Earth-AD sentient animals follow-up
Just wondering if you've had a chance to reference your Kamandi Archives yet to determine whether they were called Animal Men or Animal People. I'm holding back on templating the Kamandi comics until it's confirmed one way or the other. No hurry, though, as there's plenty of other articles to work on in the meantime. The Paradox 02:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I haven't looked yet, though I'm glad you reminded me. I'll have to wait a little while though. The book's in the bedroom and I don't want to wake my wife up. --Brian Kurtz 02:11, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Superman Annual/Covers
Fyi, I just sort of revamped that gallery and added a whole bunch of new images, including some new versions of old ones you had already uploaded, but with different names to follow the convention. I also went around and replaced a bunch of your covers while I was at it. Do you mind? If you do, my bad, I'm just like really getting fiercely into Annuals right now and I want them all to be named the same way. Just thought I'd pay you some face time on this one in case you care.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No prob. I prefer having all cover issues follow a common naming convention anyway. --Brian Kurtz 02:11, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

User page stuff
I guess the User Page Template hasn't been updated to include the category of images in the See Also, so here you go. The Paradox 05:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Category:User:Brian_Kurtz/Images

Suggested Change
Earth-Nolan > Nolanverse?

Earth-Burton > Burtonverse?

Thoughts?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, that sounds pretty good. Helluva lot better than Earth-Nolan and Earth-Burton. I'd like to get User:The Paradox's input as well, but otherwise I say let's go for it.


 * The only problem with this naming convention I foresee, is what if a director directs a future unrelated DC Comics film project? Ala "Tim Burton Presents: Ambush Bug - the Movie!" (which personally, I would love to see). Is that something you think we should worry about, or should we just wait and cross that bridge when we come to it? --Brian Kurtz 19:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll admit to some reluctance about having an entire reality named after a real-world person, rather than some other common denominator. It also runs into problems when the directorship changes halfway through the franchise. But given the two (three if you count the serials) movie continuities for both Supes and Batman, I don't really see a better solution, and, as Brian says, "Helluva lot better than Earth-Nolan and Earth-Burton." The Paradox 20:26, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Knightfall
Brian, it was you who did all of that excellent work on Knightfall, correct? Well, as a part of my campaigns in both the Crossover Stubs and See Also Templates sections, I'm trying to make big crossovers a lot easier to navigate around as I come to them. I was wondering how you would feel about a new template for Knightfall, along the lines of the other crossover stubs. The new one I made looks like this:

Anyway, just asking for your input on it before I go around substituting it on all of those old pages. Anything you think I should add/change?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:05, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Tangentially related to that is Category:Batman Templates, part of the effort to bring some logic and order to the stubs and templates. Eventually the goal is to have centralized categories for all major characters and teams. I'ts just too difficult to find them in the various continuity, character, topic boxes, navigation, etc. categories. The Paradox 00:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks great so far, man. These templates you've been belting out have really spruced up the pages! I can't think of any suggestions just yet, but if I do, you'll be the first to know. --Brian Kurtz 03:17, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds cool. And actually, that time it didn't have to be deleted, I originally just laid out the full thing on the page but the Paradox added some extra code to it to make it... do that thing it did. And thank you, I'm glad you're enjoying them.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 03:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think of it as Template Link, written Foo, that produces a clickable link to the template specified. I forget about it a lot. The Paradox 03:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:Supporting Characters
Supporting Characters It's been six months since it's creation (and only edit), and nothing links to it. Was this going somewhere, or is it one of those ideas that just never got off the ground? Trying to trim the redundant and unused templates, and this might be a candidate for "buh-bye." The Paradox 15:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahh, yes. I remember this. This, as well as Featured Characters was something I was experimenting with, but couldn't get it to work the way that I wanted it to. The purpose behind this was to create a collapsible character list for comic issue pages where the cast of characters is ridiculously long. See Infinite Crisis Vol 1 6 for a good example. Let's not dump it just yet... I want to see if Nate can possibly tweak it so that it will fit well within the comic issue template. --Brian Kurtz 15:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay. I'm actually starting a list of "questionable" templates to bring to people's attention so I'll just add this one and tag it for Nathan. I'm gonna have to quit fooling around and really learn the coding soon. :) The Paradox 15:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I just left a message with Nate. Hopefully, he can tweakify these templates and then we can start putting them to good use on select comic pages. I foresee these actually becoming useful what with all this Final Crisis stuff. --Brian Kurtz 15:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Great message, and an even greater idea. I've come up with two drafts.  They're not exactly what you had, Brian, but they look exactly the same as the template now, with the show/hide functionality.  Check out  for two ways I involved the idea there.  First, we could break up the sections into specific templates, like you had,  and such.  Or we can use the non-specific template, , and specify the section name for each part.  Both ways are up and working on the Infinite Crisis #6, so you guys can check it out, play with it on your sandboxes or previews, and see which way you like best.  It's really a great idea.


 * A lot of times, people are looking for the synopsis of the issue before they care about who's in it, but the appearances section tends to balance out the infobox better than the synopsis, so that was the basis for why it came first. With collapsible sections, we really get the best of both worlds.  It might be something we think about incorporating across all the comic templates in time.


 * Let me know what you think. :)


 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 21:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * This does look like a really cool idea, but can I suggest that we don't use the featured characters one? I think if you have so many main characters that you need to retemplate it, maybe it's just time to bump a couple of people down to 'Supporting Cast'. I kind of like seeing the appearances section first, because it gives me like a rough idea of who's important in the issue before I read anything else.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:23, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, these look GREAT so far. Can't wait to see what else you do with 'em.


 * Billy, I agree. That's why I think we should only use this idea on specific issues. Some stuff though, like Crisis, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, etc., it becomes kinda tough to determine who's a "feature" character and who's not. --Brian Kurtz 22:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * We could also do multiple columns to shorten the list instead. Would that be something you're interested in?
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 07:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Template work
It's still being compiled, but you may be interested in what I've found so far. I've already pointed out the duplicates to Nathan since you and he are responsible for most of them. I'd rather there only be one template for each function, primarily to make things easier to find for new users by reducing the sheer number of templates. As a relative newcomer myself, I can assure you it's not easy. It's taken me this long just to confirm that there are duplicates. Before that can happen, however, there needs to be some agreement on the names of the categories they populate. The Paradox 06:18, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The first two you addressed can definitely go. Criminal character infobox and Superteambox. These were leftovers from when we merged with another Wiki. I'll let Nate address the more code-centric templates. That's more his gig than mine. I'll look into some of those other dup templates. --Brian Kurtz 06:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Image Categories
I removed the Day of Judgment subject from a couple of the covers you edited, because I try to reserve the Images/Event categories for actual panels, and not for cover art. We have no shortage of Day of Judgment images, so it's not like an underused category, and all of the crossover covers can be found in Day of Judgment/Gallery anyway. I realize though that this is one of the many personal preference related things that we don't actually have a policy for, so I'm bringing it up with you because I don't want to seem like I'm being inexplicably snitty. Problems?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No probs here. I'm just glad that we have enough material to populate a lot of our gallery pages/categories. --Brian Kurtz 01:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I thought I would also bring up something else while I was here on the subject of the Day of Judgment crossovers. Because I love help on indexing my crossovers, especially so I don't have to go out and buy every single damn back issue of Impulse. I feel like we're sort of going different directions on this one. To clarify, I like to keep the crossover stubs (i.e. Day of Judgment) at the bottom of the page, below all of the other information, instead of in the RR section. For Day of Judgment, instead I've been using DCU Magic RR, which provides Recommended Reading for the entire DC Universe Magical Community wherever it's placed, in terms of the larger storylines and volumes. Also, I try to make a list of links for any crossover I'm working on. In the case of Judgment, Day of Judgment Links in the Links and References will automatically just populate that with some of the few skimpy links I've compiled on this not that prominent crossover. It's not that important, but I know you share my OCD in terms of liking seeing fields filled out. Anyway, thanks again for your help on these bad boys. We should compare notes on crossovers more often.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Gotcha! I totally relate to the OCD thing! Though in all honesty, it probably would be in your best interest to go out and buy every single back issue of Impulse. You'll thank me later. lol --Brian Kurtz 02:13, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Move templates
Would you unprotect Move2 and Move3 for a few days in light of this? Nathan got the category and Move but overlooked the other two. Thanks! The Paradox 19:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)