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Need your opinion on LSH characters
Hey, CleverGuy... near as I can tell, I think you might be this site's reigning authority on the Legion of Super-Heroes. My knowledge of the Legion is spartan at best. As you may have noticed, we've created disambiguation pages for several characters so as to distinguish them from certain eras. For example, we have Earth-One, Earth-Two and Post-Crisis versions of Superman, etc. I know the LSH has gone through several reboots, but I don't know if there is a significant difference between the various versions to demand separate pages. In your opinion, do you think there should only be one article for say, Saturn Girl, or should it be divied up between Pre-Crisis, Post-Zero Hour etc.? What do ya think? --Brian Kurtz 16:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think I'm the LSH expert you think I am. And yes, I've noticed the disambiguation pages. It's just that, I think it would be a little easier for amateurs (who just have found this page and haven't read especially much DC comics) if we just had different sections for different continuities on 1 page instead of many different pages that just confuse them. Okay, that's what I think. What do you think about that?--CleverGuy 20:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Fan Art
Hey, I see you've been uploading some fan art. If you like, feel free to add and/or create pages for them in the Gallery:Fan Art section. Page titles should look like, Fan Art Gallery Those areas need some serious buffing up anyway. Let me know if you need any help with this. --Brian Kurtz 17:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Help!
Help! Take a look here (I'm not sure that others than admins can help):

What I have done (please don't ask me why, because I'm not sure myself):
 * 1) Moved Val Armorr to Karate Kid (Val Armorr) (the correct way).
 * 2) Added image and removed image needed tag.
 * 3) Moved Karate Kid (Val Armorr) to Karate Kid (cut-and-paste).  and
 * 4) Moved Karate Kid (Val Armorr) (the redirect) to Karate Kid (Post-Infinite Crisis) (the correct way; I really don't know why I did this).

What I want to do (but I can't, I'm not an admin, that's why I need help):
 * 1) Fixing the cut-and-paste move (which I'm not sure how to, it's possible that just admins can do that).
 * 2) Move content to Karate Kid (Val Armorr) (which I can't, that page has got a history; other incarnations of Karate Kid have existed)
 * 3) Turn Karate Kid to a disambiguation page (for other incarnations, of course).

I'm really sorry for this, but I promise it won't happen again! (and I would REALLY appreciate some help) Sorry, thanks, greetings, and good luck,  The Clever Guy  Talk! 18:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I reformatted Karate Kid as a disambig page. If I understand you correctly, you want the body of information to appear on the Karate Kid (Post-Infinite Crisis) page, correct? --Brian Kurtz 16:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really. I mayhave confused you with Karate Kid (Post-Infinite Crisis). My plan was (and still is) that current Legion members would have their current incarnation on the page title containing their current codename and real name. I'd like to have apocryphal characters on a title containing the codename and the home reality, for example: Invisible Kid (Post-Zero Hour) or Superman (Earth-One). More concrete:

I hope you understand now, otherwise I'll have some trouble with explaining. English isn't even my native language. Greetings,  The Clever Guy  Talk! 19:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Karate Kid (Val Armorr) contains info about the post-Infinite Crisis (current) version.
 * Karate Kid (Post-Zero Hour) contains info about the post-Zero Hour version of course.
 * Karate Kid (Pre-Zero Hour) contains info about the pre-Zero Hour version.
 * Karate Kid (Post-Infinite Crisis) could be used as a redirect to Karate Kid (Val Armorr).


 * Heck, your English is better than mine, and English is my native language! But, I agree with how you have things set up. Names that include Code name, followed by real name in parenthesis, ala Karate Kid (Val Armorr) should be the character that is currently seen in modern comics. I would also add, that in cases where the character's true name is not known, the page should be titled "Character X (Modern)", rather than Post-Infinite Crisis. The Legion reboot took place some time prior to Infinite Crisis, so that might be confusing to others. Sound good? --Brian Kurtz 16:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Sound good to me. I found the expression "Post-Infinite Crisis" at the Legion Wiki and I thought it was the best expression for the current Legion series I could find. I mean, I wouldn't like it if a page title included the expression "Threeboot" (I found that expression on Wikipedia) or something other weird. But that means that you might want to rename the page for Legion of Super-Heroes (Post-Infinite Crisis)? (Seriously, do you really think that a 13-year old guy from Sweden is better than you in english?) Greetings,  The Clever Guy  Talk!  17:24, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey
I'm curious ... what do you use to draw/edit the images you upload? Copycat989 18:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * When I edit an image that should be used on a character/team page I use Corel's Paint Shop Pro (mostly to take away speech bubbles, they could be pretty annoying if it is a character image). If I want to resize or crop an image, I most often use Microsoft Office Picture Manager. When I'm making fan art (such as this) I use Adobe Flash to draw the pictures (vector graphics) and then export them to .PNG. Anything else you want to know? Greetings, The Clever Guy  ( Talk / Contribs ) 19:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Legion Userbox
Hey CleverGuy, I created a Legion userbox template. If you want, feel free to use it to spice up your user page! --Brian Kurtz 18:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Brian, that was nice! Oh, and:
 * Yeah... that's pretty good. Definitely a possibility. --Brian Kurtz 11:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC) (DC Database talk:Naming Conventions)
 * Could you be a little more specific please (and check these two pages sometimes: this and this? or possibly put them on your watchlist?)? I'm not entirely certain about what you're meaning. Thank you again, --The Clever Guy (Talk &bull; Contribs &bull; E-Mail) 19:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm still pretty much at a loss for the best way to name these pages. I think the way you've been doing it is fine for now; Brin Londo (New Earth) and so forth. I think I'm going to make a post about it on the forums, and see what others think. I'm really out of my element when it comes to Legion stuff, and I don't want to make any rash decisions. --Brian Kurtz 20:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

More LSH conundrums
Yoiks! I had no idea that there was a second Karate Kid! Grrrr. Maybe another page can be created called "Karate Kid (Myg)"??? I don't know how significant this character was.

Outside of that, I think we're fairly safe with other Pre-Zero Hour naming conventions. "Validus (Pre-Zero Hour)" and so forth. I'm not sure about the Pre-Zero Hour characters with multiple names though. Duo Damsel? Triplicate Girl? etc. I figure whichever name was used the most should be the page title with everything else redirecting towards it. I still have no idea how to handle all of the other Legion variations.

Ohh... nice avatar by the way! --Brian Kurtz 16:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm... with the naming conventions, I still think that "Real Name (Pre-Zero Hour)" would be the best names, unless the counterparts common denominators are their code names (like Validus, White Witch, Sensor?!, or in X-Men: Rogue.). That would be because 1) they sometimes change codenames, 2) the Glorithverse version of the Legion didn't use codenames (At least most of them didn't use codenames; Glorithverse is complicated to explain, but it should count as "pre-Zero Hour"; I might put Glorithverse and Mordruverse entries to the Glossary sections sometime) 3) the SW6 Legion should also count as "pre-Zero Hour" (SW6 is also complicated to explain. Please see Major Spoilers entry on Brainiac 5. Could explain some things about Legion continuity such as "SW6") and I would not like separate entries for the SW6 Legion AND Glorithverse people etc. Thoughts?


 * As I said earlier, if it would make you uncomfortable to move "Karate Kid (Pre-Zero Hour)", and change the link and appearance category in every article, I could do it.


 * Thanks... about the avatar. It's Osiris, if you didn't see that. The Clever Guy (Talk &bull; Contribs &bull; E-Mail) 16:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Reply
Hey thanks, CleverGuy. Yeah, I think we're pretty safe with the naming conventions for the 3 major reboots, Pre, Post and New. The appearances categories are really what makes the thing so tricky. Moving pages around is easy enough, but you can't move category pages. So if a page is moved, the appearance values for that character has to be changed one by one. Oi. I share your headache! For modern Legionnaires, do you think we should stick with Hero name/real name, or hero name (New Earth)?

ala, Saturn Girl (Imra Ardeen) Saturn Girl (New Earth)

Either one sounds fine by me. --Brian Kurtz 12:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ouch. Do I have to choose? I mean, the point with the "new" naming conventions is that you shouldn't have to move pages if the character changes code name, or that, when you create/move a page, you should be 99% certain that it doesn't ever need to be moved. When it's about code names, I don't think you ever can be 99% certain that it won't change. If you name the page like "Real name (Universe)" then I could be 99% certain that it would never have to change. I though have to admit that I'm just 80% certain the current Legion belongs to New Earth, but I'm 99% certain that Imra Ardeen will be Saturn Girl's real name forever (possibly with the addition of "Ranzz" sometime, but that doesn't matter, since the naming conventions says that it's the birth name that counts). But, if it shows up that the current Legion belongs to Earth-17, for example, then I might use a bot to fix the entries in the appearance categories (there are an explanation of how to create a bot here). 'Course, if I had to choose between your alternatives or die, then I would choose "Saturn Girl (New Earth)", but I don't recommend that too much. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 12:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey dude, I see you've replied to my comments. Sorry I didn't get back to you until now. I'll check out those links you provided concerning the other LSH variants. If those other realities become really complicated, I opt that we just make characters from Glorith-Verse (or whatever) using the minor character template. That way, we don't have to fuss around with categories and galleries and so forth. I think that will also cause less confusion for readers who may not be particularly knowledgeable about the Legion. I went back and changed the Val Armorr category appearances. Again. Damn that Myg or whoever the hell he is! lol.


 * Oh...also, with appearances categories, I've been creating them as sub-categories of the primary pagename, which is a little different from how they do things at MDP, but I think it will be useful in the long term. Example: Category:Imra Ardeen (New Earth)/Appearances is a sub-category of Category:Imra Ardeen/Appearances, which is a sub-category of Category:Character Appearances, etc.


 * --Brian Kurtz 12:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry to butt in, but that sub-cat of a sub-cat actually sounds nifty! :)
 * Once the forums are back up, I might pitch that idea to the MDP admins and see if they like it, too!
 * If I forget, will you remind me?
 * Cheers!
 * --Jamie 14:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Glad ya like, Jamie! I think that will help keep the varying characters in-check, and make cross-referencing a bit easier. We now return you to CleverGuy's regularly scheduled talk page. --Brian Kurtz 20:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I like the subcategory idea too. Actually, I don't know how many times the latest few days I've seen this box:

You've got new messages (last change).


 * Or something similar. Heh. (Not that it disturbs me or whatever.) The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 08:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh... forgot to mention
Can you do me a favor and place this image somewhere? Maybe your user page? I just wanna clean up the files in the unused images page. Also, if you move some pages about, can you also be sure to check the double-redirects (found on the "special pages" section) to make sure everything re-links correctly. That would be an awesome help. Thanks, man! Cheers. --Brian Kurtz 13:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Your User Page
Hi CleverGuy this is Rod12 I was wondering how you created your User Page I real like it I was wondering if you could tell me how you did it. I have been trying to do it to my User Page page but it hasn't work at all. Once again I think you did a great job with your User Page nice job.

From Rod12


 * Hi. I guess there are lots of ways to get a nice user page, but if you want a page like mine, I think the easiest way is to use the User Page Template. It lacks customized colors, but maybe you don't think that's a problem. The second easiest way is to copy everything on my page to yours, and then you can fix everything to be more "you". 'Course, the box could be complicated, but if you put your mind to it, I think you can find the pattern, and fill in all fields to be more fit your customs. To create a gallery like this you could put do like the example here:


 * The userbox list was difficult too. Here's the code for it:




 * You're welcome to ask if you want to know anything else. :) The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 08:58, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

LSH
Thanks for the LSH tip. I'm not very familiar with all the dc continuity and I confused the galleries. Thanks for your help. Big hug!!! Copycat989 20:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Batman (Bruce Wayne)
What happens to all the pages that link to this? Shouldn't we have a 'bot do all of this stuff so that it updates database-wide?
 * --Roygbiv666 21:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I updated Batman (Bruce Wayne)'s redirects, so I guess that all links go to the same page. I'd like a bot, but, unfortunately, I haven't been able to get my bot to work. Maybe Jamie could add a link-updating function to his bot. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 06:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions
Been noticing changing some character to the old [Hero ID (civilian name)] as base, over [civilian name (source reality)] with the heroic ID being a reference to that.

Is that the scheme again Heroic id as the base with the [real name (source reality)] as a redirect? If so, shouldn't that be done for everyone just for consistency sake?

It is just getting confusing with everything being done with everything else. Kal_l_fan 05:50 8 December 2007


 * Huh?! What are you saying? I'm beyond confused. Please take in consideration that I'm not a native english-speaker (and my english is still on "advanced" school-level, as I'm just 14 years old) and may require messages to be very clear and specific.
 * I have been editing some pages so that some of the links don't need to be changed in the future when all pages are properly named, but to be honest, I don't often have the time and/or energy to check every little character that is linked on a page.
 * If I've been able to, I would have moved every page I've encountered to fit with the naming conventions (with "Real name (Source reality)"), but, as my "ordinary editor"-priviliges, I can just move three pages at a time. When I've moved three pages, I must wait until I can move any other page. (And, as I'm sure you know, Character pages does often have 4 sub-pages, which means I'd have to move 5 pages.) Therefore, I've created redirects that fits with the naming conventions, and placed a move tag on some of the pages, so someone else (possibly someone with admin-priviliges) can move the pages (to the title I've thus already created as a redirect).
 * And, I'm against the old titles (with "Code name (Real name)" or "Code name"). They can never be consistent. Also, I hope that was enough answer for your question that I couldn't quite understand. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 11:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Then why are you doing this?
 * diff) (hist) . . N Theodore Knight (New Earth)‎; 10:07 . . (+34) . . CleverGuy (Talk | contribs) (Redirecting to Starman (Ted Knight))
 * (diff) (hist) . . N Rex Tyler (New Earth)‎; 10:06 .. (+33) .. CleverGuy (Talk | contribs) (Redirecting to Hourman (Rex Tyler))
 * (diff) (hist) .. N Charles McNider (New Earth)‎; 10:06 .. (+47) .. CleverGuy (Talk | contribs) (Redirecting to Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider))


 * Shouldn't it be the other way, like this


 * Doctor Mid-Nite (Charles McNider))
 * (Redirecting to Charles McNider (New Earth)?
 * Kal_l_fan 06:50 8 December 2007


 * This sentence is not here for nothing:

"Therefore, I've created redirects that fits with the naming conventions, and placed a move tag on some of the pages, so someone else (possibly someone with admin-priviliges) can move the pages (to the title I've thus already created as a redirect)."
 * You have a point, but:

"If I've been able to, I would have moved every page I've encountered to fit with the naming conventions (with "Real name (Source reality)"), but, as my "ordinary editor"-priviliges, I can just move three pages at a time. When I've moved three pages, I must wait until I can move any other page. (And, as I'm sure you know, Character pages does often have 4 sub-pages, which means I'd have to move 5 pages.)"
 * This means that it takes a very long time to move a group of pages (such as a character page with sub-pages), and I'm also against using cut-and-paste-moves (moves without using the proper "move" function), as some people do (even I did that once, as you can see on an earlier topic here).

Template Questions
Hi. I was talking to Brian Kurtz about a template he had made and he suggested that you might have helped with it? Or that you could help me. Anyway, I made a template based on his and wanted to know if it's possible for the "hide/show" thing to hide/show all of the items below it. Any ideas? --Roygbiv666 17:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess my "help" was simply to create these   and Brian may just have copied the template code.
 * I'm not sure if "show-all" or "hide-all" are at all possible. If so, I'd think I would have seen it on a Wikipedia navbox, as some people always seem to figure things out before I do (lol). Jamie might be a good person to ask.
 * Anyway, I like his Millennium template much better than Lightning Saga or Sinestro Corps War, for instance, regardless of the theoretic "show/hide-all" function. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 18:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Event Template Idea
Anybody think this idea might be useful?
 * --Roygbiv666 14:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Float Center
Did you try taking the float part out altogether? I know text is: 'text-align:center', but I think that doesn't control the box. A couple pages I use A LOT when trying to template are here, but I can understand your lack of enthusiasm to read them. Sometimes they have great information, and sometimes it's like reading car stereo installation instructions in Japanese. Feel free to ask me anything, and if I know, or know where to look, I'll share. :) --Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 22:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Continuity stubs
Hey, CleverGuy! I just added a boatload of continuity markers and mini-stubs at the bottom of the DC Database:Templates page. I included your LSH markers as well as the Multicont Elseworlds tag. I know the page is protected, so let me know if you want me to add any others. --Brian Kurtz 00:59, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * There is no other template I can think of for now (that already exists) that can be added. A template for Kryptonian or Daxamite powers might be handy sometimes though. The Clever Guy  Talk 05:14, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was thinking of eventually cobbling together a generic Kryptonian power set template. That one's going to be a little trickier than the Martian one since different power sets will need to be created to distinguish between E-1, E-2, New Earth Kryptonians and so forth. --Brian Kurtz 05:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

FYI: Ongoing discussions regarding possible page moves
Hey CleverGuy. Just wanted to give you head's up -- I moved your " Ongoing discussions regarding possible page moves" section on the Naming Conventions talk page to the top of the page. I think its a pretty important section, and I don't want it to get "lost in the shuffle" as the talk page grows in length. Consider it a message board "sticky". --Brian Kurtz 23:23, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay to me... The Clever Guy  Talk 05:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Saying Hi
I decided I'd check out my new Database friends and see what thy're up to and try and get to know them better. Check out my User page sometime.Vibe85 15:05, 24 September 2008 (UTC)