User talk:The Paradox



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Template Documentation
I completely agree. It's on my to do list, but I haven't been able to get to it yet. Do you think it would be a good idea to have pictures?

--Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 23:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Character template question
Hey, The Paradox, how's it going? I received your message and just wanted to let ya know, that coding is not really my thang. Which, in no uncertain terms means, I totally suck at it. However, have no fear... I forwarded your message to another admin, User:Peteparker. He's the coding guru here, and is the one most suited to handle your request. I left him a message here. Cheers! --Brian Kurtz 20:23, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice project page draft! I'm perusing the character template to see if there's any you missed, and I added some   's so you could see the full option template better.  I could provide descriptions regarding what each field does, along with any special functions they may have, but it might be a little long.  Maybe if I did that you could help me wade through it and we could create some really awesome how to pages together?  Whaddya think?
 * --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 23:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm also piecing together complete versions of some other Templates (linked from my user page), so if you want to look at/play with those as well, feel free. The goal, obviously, is to have a kinda Master Copy of each until such time as complete copies are incorporated into the "real" Template pages.


 * As for what I think, my first reaction was "Frak!" My second reaction was, you're the coding guru and admin, so absolutely. I'll continue consolidating always visible and optional fields and let you know when they're ready for your touch. Let me know what else I can do. The Paradox 00:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Forums
You're bringing up a lot of interesting questions, and doing a lot of great work, Paradox. I recommend you bop over by the Forums sometime, that's where we do most of our talking about template or policy change. And I'd personally love to see another DC Editor up there.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Eh. Not impressed by the level of participation (a handful of messages on the relevant DC boards, most months old), I really try to avoid Marvel these days, there seems to be plenty of room for discussion on the talk pages here, and I have enough tabs open (11 at the moment) without adding forums to the mix. Thanks anyway. The Paradox 00:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

That should be it
I added all the fields that were missing from your scratch draft, but only the ones that are in the DC Character Template. I think there might be fewer on the Marvel side, because there's no custom themes like 'Green Lantern' to account for.

--Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 00:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Reality Categories
Hi there,

I just added the default sort that you've been putting into the Reality Categories into the Reality Category Template, so you don't have to do it manually anymore. If you still see ones that are broken, lemme know, and I'll try to fix it further. :) Great idea!

--Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 03:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks; I really wish I understood exactly how what you added works. I want to copy the basic structure of Reality Category for Destroyed Realities, Hypertime Realities and Placeholder realities versions as well. The Paradox 03:52, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * On the forums, I started a thread where you can ask questions exactly like that, and I'll respond there so that everyone can learn the same thing if they'd like to. (If you wouldn't mind repeating the question over there). The coding isn't all that hard, it just takes some practice.  You'll get the hang of it in no time. :)
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 19:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I saw that, made the mistake of looking at the Help page you referenced, and immediately felt my sanity starting to slip away. I'll try again later, after I've had more coffee. Like a pot or two. The Paradox 20:25, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Realities vs Universes
In the context of templates and categorization, what is the difference between Category:Realities and Category:Universes? They seem to be redundant, with all the Universe entries manually added, whereas the Realities are autocategorized ("autocat-ed") by the various Character, Location and Reality templates. Are there other conceptual or practical differences that I'm not seeing? If not, then perhaps they could/should be combined. The Paradox 18:47, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Good catch!


 * We didn't always have a Reality Template, so at first, we used the Location Template for realities. There is no discernable difference between a Universe and a Reality, so you're absolutely right.  (I figured I'd fix Category:Universes really quick anyway, since it was so short ;) ).  Everything should be better now, but that was a GREAT find!


 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 19:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I think an underlying problem with the Earth-whatever nomenclature is the annoying fact that each one is both a reality and a planet. Short of creating a new template for these dual use locations, I haven't figured out a solution yet, although I'm looking at ways to expand an existing one. Maybe lising a primary planet in the Reality Template...? The Paradox 20:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Earth-31
There's a lot of weird things surrounding that reality. I'm still working on that problem, but my laptop is in the shop right now so I'm on dialup. We decided to rename it, because the current reality known as "Earth-31" has proven to be incongruous with its subject material. Earth-31 is supposed to be in general Frank Miller's Dark Knight, and all of the stuff he's done with his take on the character. However, in Countdown: Arena they kill off the Superman of that reality before DKSA. So it really shouldn't matter, but there are some people who think it completely necessary to have a page specifically for the Earth-31 guy who died very quickly, and thus isn't directly linked to the rest of the series. That's why we've been using "Earth-DKR" as the reality's monicker. Yeah, it's messy, but so is this lousy stinking multiverse.

On the side though, thanks for catching that spacial thing on all of my stubs. I probably wouldn't ever have done that by myself.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * A lot of what I'm doing right now is testing various ways of categorizing the various realities, and it's impossible to test categorization with sandboxes or showing previews, so don't worry about things staying as they are at the moment. DKR, like many of the Elseworlds and Hypertime realities that have been incorporated/adapted in the 52verse, present a problem. I'm inclined to treat them separately and list the Universe as the title of the comic/storyline, i.e. Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, for the original stories, creating a self-contained category than includes character and comicbook issue articles and that can double as the category for the reality. Example can be found at Category:Defunct Realities, specifially the Flash and Superman entries. Notice that there is no "Earth-Speeding Bullets" article or category when done this way, with the comic itself standing in for a separate Earth-whatever article. The Paradox 22:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Where from?
Hey Paradox!

You seem really knowledgeable about wiki syntax, what wiki did you start on? I could probably put that talkback template together for ya based on where you saw it last. :)

&mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 04:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've seen it used on Wikipedia. It's the documentation transclusion that baffled me; admittedly, I only gave it about 5 seconds' thought. Hey, while you're at it, would you take the 30 seconds or so to make this change to the Character Template?
 * For Universe to categorize into "Earth whatever Characters" instead of the parent category, "Earth whatever." Makes more sense and keeps the parent category listings to a reasonable size.
 * I'd do it myself, but the Character Template is a protected page. It's the only suggestion I've made for that template to get any agreement thus far. The Paradox 04:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Whew! That took a bit of digging.  Silly Wikipedians, making things more complicated than they need to be. :)
 * As for characters, I made the changes, but it'll take a while for the cache to catch up, (like a couple days), so expect some huge Wanted Categories here this weekend or so.
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 05:39, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, and PS, I made a template especially for these new 'Universe Characters' Categories, just add, and it'll file it and make a header and all. ;)
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 06:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Reality Template
(Original post to User talk:Peteparker - Excellent update! While you're at it, perhaps you can figure out/explain to me/correct the tendency for references to be listed in the Notes section. At this point, I'm having to hack in a under Links. See the last couple of edits to Earth-13 for an example of the difference. Obviously, I think the references should appear at the end of the page, since a lot of the citations I'm adding are in the Trivia section. The Paradox 23:35, 13 September 2008 (UTC))

Thanks! I made the change you suggested. Funny that the links section was named 'Links and References' and the References were in notes! If you see this anywhere else, (which is entirely possible), lemme know and I'll fix those too. :)

&mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 23:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I have actually encounted it somewhere else in the Earth-DCDatabase reality, but now that I've seen what you did I should be able to make corrections to all but protected templates. Thanks! The Paradox 00:02, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool! Too bad DC hasn't come out with the name of our reality yet, Marvel did, 'Earth-1218'. :)
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 01:27, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Team Template
All fixed! I fixed some other stuff while I was in there too. That example page had two sets of itself in the same page somehow, so I removed the second one, and it looks like it's all set now. Thanks for catching problems! :)

&mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 18:51, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Justice Riders
I just got my hands on a copy of the Justice Riders, and I'm planning on uploading the issue when I'm finished, complete with character scans. It's only a one-shot, but it has its own reality designation within the 52 Multiverse. I understand our reality designations are completely in flux, and you seem to be the person to ask about this. For now at least, what should I title my characters? Would it be "Diana Prince (Earth-Whatever)" or "Diana Prince (Justice Riders)"?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I would say "Diana Prince (Justice Riders)." There's a whole host of reasons, but basically there's been enough difference between the Elseworlds stories and the new Multiverse stories for them to be treated as distinct. As a side-note, for the "Universe" field in the templates I'd use "Justice Riders." That places the character articles in Category:Justice Riders Characters and the storyline in Category:Justice Riders, which is a subcat of Category:Elseworlds Storylines and Category:Hypertime Realities. The Paradox 23:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Wonderful. I like that better anyway, I'm really glad you're taking initiative on this one.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Green Lantern Power Battery
Im not sure i get the point your trying to make with a "item stub". It is an item, now i will admit that the information on it is very limited but putting a stub in gives the impression that there is nothing done on the page at all. Now if there is more to add when the information becomes available then it should be added. Salubri 23:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * A template that say something along the lines of, "This is a very short article containing little or no content." Ya know, a stub of an article, as opposed to one that doesn't exist at all, aka "article request." The Paradox 23:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

DEFAULTSORT
I notice you adding this to "Earth-Whatevers" - what exactly does this do? Just curious as to how this manifests itself - is it how the Earths show up in "Category:Realities" or something?
 * Roygbiv666 14:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I got this one. Paradox explained this to me a short while ago, Roy, it's really convenient. automatically makes the article categorize itself under whichever title you want it to. I've just recently started implementing it into the Batman Storylines that have "The" in the title. It lets us ignore those inconvenient naming problems that we only have because of categories. So using it on "Earth-Whatever" articles has them show up not underneath the "E" section in the realities category where applicable.


 * (hate to eavesdrop, but I saw this come up and I thought I'd help out)
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem, Billy. These are public pages, after all! The Paradox 21:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Again, good eye my friend. All fixed up. :) &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 02:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Movie/Film
It's funny, Marvel is exactly the opposite, using 'Film' everywhere instead of 'Movie'. So I think I'll mod the template over here to use Movie everywhere, and once we make a decision about which to use, transfer either all the necessary pages here to film, or all the necessary pages there to movie. I hate when this happens.

Thanks for bringing it up. :)

&mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 15:03, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * We're voting in the forums, tell everyone how you feel! :)
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 14:35, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Legends of the Dead Earth
Being almost finally done with Bloodlines, I'm thinking about now looking into Legends of the Dead Earth. What better time than the present? Anyway, I understand the continuity is a bit awkward. Apparently it's from some sort of alternate future?

So, I'm trying to figure out, if I decide to make pages for these characters (just for the sake of diversity), how would I name them? My first reaction was "Earth-LotDE", but then I wondered if it was weird to have the title be "Earth-Legends of the Dead Earth". Anyway, you're sort of making yourself like the reality guy, and I don't really care what designation I should use, I would just prefer one that somebody else likes also so I know I'm not like editing AWOL. Any thoughts?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 08:39, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The premise was basically, "How would the future view, and be inspired by, the heroes of today?" I guess it would be what I've taken to calling an "alternate future timeline," similar to Titans Tomorrow, the Pre-Zero Hour LSH or any of the 60's futuristic sci-fi stories (Tommy Tomorrow, Space Cabby, etc). I suppose Foo (Legends of the Dead Earth) is too long? What about Foo (LotDE)? Either way, I'd stay away from "Earth-whatever" type designations. For the base character, the one whose legend is being told, I'd use the New Earth designation. And at least one of the new characters (Cece Beck (Post-Zero Hour)) was brought into continuity, so you'll want to watch for that. The Paradox 09:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think I figured this one out, in a way that will keep in theme with the whole "Earth" reality designation thing. Really simple. "Green Lantern (Dead Earth)", etc. Sound good to you?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Of course! I'm embarassed that I didn't think of that one. The Paradox 00:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Templates
Got Vehicle and Item now. Did I miss any others?

&mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 18:47, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Let's see, if I'm interpreting the coding correctly, then;


 * DC Database:Concept Template
 * DC Database:Organization Template
 * DC Database:Race Template
 * The Paradox 19:05, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Now those are done too. That should be all of em then. :)
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 20:00, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

4. DC Database:Location Template
 * I didn't check everything listed in Category:Templates, so there's the possibility of more making themselves known. The Paradox 21:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

For any Admin
Would you update the following protected templates that use the old logo?
 * Template:User Stub
 * Template:Disambig
 * Template:Team Stub
 * Template:Glossary Stub
 * Template:Character Image
 * Template:Cover Art Image
 * Template:Fairuse
 * Template:Vandalism Warning
 * Template:Plagiarism
 * Template:Team Image
 * Template:Hotlink Warning
 * Template:Race Image
 * Template:Item Image
 * Template:Site Image
 * Template:Temporarily Protected
 * Template:DC Staff
 * Template:DC Staff Image

Strangely enough, they are hampering my ability to find articles that need templated. The Paradox 21:18, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I just added it to my To Do list. --Brian Kurtz 21:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Done, except for the Disambig one, can't figure it out.
 * Roygbiv666 22:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * There is no logo in the Disambig template, right?
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 22:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess not, but for some reason it was showing up in the WhatLinksHere. The Paradox 13:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Dieties --> Gods
Ah, the Auto-cats were pulling you back. I changed all the Category:Deities in the minor autocats to Category:Gods. I also redirected the Dieties category into the Gods category, in case someone looks for it later. :)

&mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 13:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Homosexual Characters
Hey there Mr. Paradox,

Noticed that you moved the category back out, and that's cool, but I'd like to do something else about the category in general. While it may be an interesting tidbit for some readers sometimes, I personally abhor the category. I think it's almost as bad as the African-American or Characters by Religion categories. We don't group Batman as a Scottish-American Heterosexual Nihilist, so why do the characters who happen to be Jewish or Black deserve to be lumped in with their groups? But I digress, that's my personal opinion.

Should we make a category, "Characters by Sexual Preference"?

&mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 14:32, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think this is at least as important as eye color or height and weight, which are highly suspect and variable with most characters anyway. At least sexual orientation is one of the better documented claims. I understand your reluctance, but it's something people want. I've been mulling over what to call the container category. If we're going to create a one, I'd prefer LGBT Characters but would settle for Characters by Sexual Preference, with a nice little intro explaining that characters are assumed to be hetero unless depicted otherwise (kinda like the real world). Otherwise we risk somebody creating a category for it. The Paradox 14:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I prefer LGBT also. It's a minority grouping, and a notable part of people's characters. I'd love to debate the problems of majority privilege, but it's actually been proven in studies. If you ask people to sit down with a piece of paper and write down ten facts about themselves, minorities will consistently write down their racial or otherwise identifiers, whereas those in majority groups won't. If somebody actually complains about us, I'd be glad to help facilitate them. I do GSA at my school.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Elseworlds
Another complication. I've noticed lately you've been replacing the Template:Elseworlds in various places with Template:Elseworlds Storyline. I'm shortly going to be making a page for, which is a compilation of three separate and completely unrelated Elseworlds, Berlin Batman, a sequel to Leatherwing and "Curse of the Cat-Woman. Would this really be considered a storyline? I feel like I should be using the more ambiguous plain Elseworlds template, but I don't want to go against the work you've been doing.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hard to say for sure without seeing the article itself. I created the Elseworlds Storyline tag mainly as a way to get them into the Storylines category and as long as that goal is accomplished I'm not wedded to any particular path. If I recall correctly I stopped tagging the Elseworlds stuff to further contemplate how best to categorize one-shot realities/storyline/comic issue articles. Not sure I have an answer yet, so tag it as you see fit and we can add cats if needed. The Paradox 00:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * One suggestion I do have, to avoid excessive over-categorization, is to use "Universe = Elseworlds" for them. I took a look at Baruch Wane (Berlin Batman) and, if you look at the bottom, you'll see it wants a Berlin Batman Characters category. I really don't think we need a cat for a minor character in a single story. The only way around that is to give it something more generic, and Elseworlds seems to be the best fit. The Paradox 01:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking about that also. Good idea, I'll do that.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:14, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Iconic Images
This is an idea that I had awhile back, but I only got to doing one of them, and I thought you would be interested as I just stuck my category into the Images Templates one. Iconic Images are those images that artists love to redraw time and time again, and that we would potential have many versions of on the site. The only one I got to was this one, and there's an accompanying template to cover it. The idea being, whenever a new iconic image has been added, we can just update the template and they'll all reflect it.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 05:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Kewl. I look forward to seeing that concept developed. The Paradox 05:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Kingdom Come
Any ideas for the reality designation on this one? I just noticed we have almost no information on anything besides Thy Kingdom Come. The current one is Earth-22, but the biggest problem with using those realities is that Kingdom Come has been around since before their existence, and will be after the next multiversal collapse. It's not like they will've existed before the 52, but then won't have any more after it.

Anyway, I've been thinking (Kingdom Come), (Earth-Kingdom), (Earth-KC), (Kingdom)... do you have any input that might be useful here? I've put this up on the forums, but it's sort of been in limbo for awhile and we've never really made a real decision.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Character (Kingdom Come), without a doubt. I think we need to keep the original Elseworlds stories separate from the new Reality designated Earth-22. One may be based on the other, and that should be reflected in the write-ups, but it's going to be better all around if we don't automatically treat them as interchangable. A reader who visits the DCProject to find out specifically about the "Kingdom Come" stories isn't going to want all the extraneous Earth-22 stuff confounding the issue. I have no doubt that more discrepancies between the two will creep in as future writers and editors create Earth-22 stories. I'm sure you've noticed that cleaning up the distinctions is somewhere on my list, along with the Tangent/Earth-97/Earth-9 fiasco. Now if only that list didn't keep getting longer... The Paradox 22:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Tangent slays me also. If you need help making character pages for that, give me a holler, I've read most of them. My only problem with using (Kingdom Come) for the reality is what to do with the characters from The Kingdom. The ones like Gog who don't appear in KC. We had this same problem recently with the DK's version of the Joker before we came up with Earth-Nolan. By the way, congratulations on finally making it into the Featured Users quicklinks.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I understand your problem with KC for Kingdom characters, but I look at it this way: 1) The Kingdom is an expansion of the Kingdom Come reality/storyline, much as DK2 is of Dark Knight Returns, 2) (Kingdom Come) is the Reality designation, not the title of the comic, 3) casual readers of the site will be more likely to look for Kingdom Come than The Kingdom, as it's the more famous of the two, and 4) that entire Gog going back in Hypertime day by day and killing Supes plays merry hob with reality designations in The Kingdom. The Paradox 23:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

You're right, and that's what I'm going to start doing. I still need to actually finish the Kingdom though, I just like to go through these things issue by issue or it all blends together in my head. Thank you very much for your advice.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:06, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you sir!
Heh, missed that one, I'll have to look closer for these buggers. ..

Thanks!

&mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 06:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea, I do know the difference. It's another way to sort the Nationalities, which may or may not be cool to see.  Worst comes to worst, I'll get rid of the continents.  Of course, then we have to figure out where all the Category:Asians are actually from.
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 07:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Final Crisis
The synopsis at the top isn't the only summary - there's a section under "Recommended Reading" for each of the issues. Not too disappointing, I hope. I moved the issue by issue summary there, so that more ... motivated individuals could expand on the thematic and contextual elements. Or something. Roygbiv666 23:51, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, the edit summary probably should have been accompanied by a wink ;) and a nod. I do find the autohide annoying and tiny text of the RR section to be difficult to read and, as you say, it doesn't cover the big picture, but that will change as time passes. The Paradox 00:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The Nail
Further collaboration on Reality Designations. Any ideas for JLA: The Nail and Another Nail? I'm sorry I keep coming to you on these things, it's not because I'm like expecting you to have the answer to everything, but I like to think aloud on these and develop at least some sort of vague consensus, and our minds both work the same way on these kinds of things, generally.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry to jump in - "Kal-El (The Nail)" or "Kal-El (Nail)" would make sense. Both the above stories are part of the same continuity, right?
 * Roygbiv666 21:14, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about it, Roy, in fact, I wish more people would jump in on these. Yes, they are both the same continuity, the first one being about the JLA minus Superman, and the second one a sequel introducing Superman (raised Amish). I haven't read the sequel, but I own a trade of the first series.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd go with Character(The Nail), since that's the name of the first, continuity-setting story. The Paradox 20:08, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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yea im realy into comics so i decided to make my own characters check out divine and The Arsenal there my personal favorite im coming up with all there backstorys and im doing there villians to

Change to DC.Wikia.com
For those of you curious, I hadn't signed on since the change to dc.wikia.com because the system wouldn't let me until now - some BS about my not allowing cookies, despite every evidence and setting to the contrary. The Paradox 20:08, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea, logins were a problem off and on during the change. A work around is to log in on another wikia wiki, and navigate back to these. It should be all fixed up now, but I'm still experiencing cookie related glitches now and then.  The forums aren't operated by Wikia at all, so if you continue to have problems, check those out, we had a lot of people talking about how to get around the problem there.
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 22:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Bad Bad Botty
Sorry about that. I've been playing with wanted categories as of late, and you guys are so on top of things there wasn't much to play with over here. Stopping before the 'This category has 1 member' mark is probably a really good idea, since the one page categories are often the most screwed up. I'll fix all the ones you showed me, and if you find more, you can either stick them in a temporary category or write a list somewhere, and I'll fix them all.

Thanks again! &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 22:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)