User talk:Brian Kurtz/Archive

Hey Brian, just want to thank you for all the help on the DC database...you're really moving! Welcome!!

Halley 19:57, 16 January 2006 (Eastern Standard Time)

Read Your Message
Brian, I read your message.

Feel free to use whatever info I placed in the Earth-2 Superman entry. When I wrote that I didn't know there was a more massive entry on Superman available. However, thanks for keeping my humble little effort up. As Infinite Crisis winds down I plan on updating the entry until his story is finished.

The Superman Earth-2 entry is a good example of how I've approached writing my contributions. Being a big fan of the Who's Who and Marvel Universe handbooks, I try to make my entries reflect the same style. Thats why I've never done a massive overall entry like Superman or Lex Luthor which takes a real world approach and tells data on every version of the character. I hope thats not clashing with any particular vision that you had in mind. Let me know if it does.

Wow...
Brian,

Truly, I don't know how to thank you enough! Your dedication and seemingly endless amount of motivation and energy amaze me every day.

Our DC Database Project would be but a shadow of its current self without you. We have a few fine folks like you on the Marvel Project and I was so happy to see someone really take charge for DC when you came aboard.

I thought I would build a little script to show you (and everyone) how much work we have done so far...

Here is the live count of edit by our top DCDP contributors. Here is the Marvel one to contrast...

I can tell you that I personally promise to start advertising the DCDP more and more over the summer. My goal is to increase the number of editors, so that you aren't working seemingly all by yourself.

I want to make sure you continue to enjoy working on the project, so I would like to know... What can I do to make your life easier?

--Jamie 14:05, 23 May 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)


 * Hey, thanks! Honestly, I love doing this sort of stuff. Fortunately, I have an understanding job, which affords me LOTS of free time to play around on the internet. I can't think of anything off the top of my head that you can do to "make my life easier" (unless you wanna slide me a coupl'a hundred bucks)...but I'll definately let you know, Jamie. Thanks!
 * --Brian 14:41, 23 May 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)

Fact Checking...
Hey Brian,

Could you do me a favour? Can you check out some of these edits and make sure they are legit? With a name like 'Mxy', it could just be tricks. :)

Thanks! --Jamie 08:43, 3 June 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)


 * Will do. I've been keeping an eye on those edits anyway, but haven't really taken any action yet.
 * --Brian 08:52, 3 June 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)


 * Thanks Brian, you rock!
 * As a side note, I really want to kick 'advertising' for the DC Database into high gear as soon as I can. The X-Men 3 movie tripled our traffic in one week and I think the Superman Returns movie has the potential to do something similar for DC. I plan to add some strategic links at Wikipedia and have already added some links at IMDB. I figure, if we are lucky, we might get linked in a few articles about the movie. That would really help promote the site. Let me know what you think...
 * --Jamie 09:05, 3 June 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)


 * Sound excellent! I recall seeing some links at the Superman Returns page at IMDB. The movie is CERTAIN to bring in a lot more traffic (for good as well as ill). I have access to a wealth of information to add, but I'm pretty much out of my element with certain things like the Legion of Super-Heroes and recent Superman material. A few more keen minds would be awesome. Oh...by the way, have you given any thought to that timeline idea I PM'd you about a while back? See ya!


 * --Brian 09:14, 3 June 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)


 * Sorry, I totally forgot!
 * I have added it to my growing 'to do list'. There are a few technical items in my way, but I will try and sort those all out as soon as I can.
 * --Jamie 09:46, 3 June 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)

Redesign of Main Page
Hey Brian,

I am thinking about redesigning the DCDP main page. Have a look and tell me what you think... link to test page --Jamie 14:07, 5 June 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)
 * Looks good! I've always liked "feature articles" on home pages. Gives people something different to look at. Are you going to do anything with background colors?
 * --Brian 15:29, 5 June 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)


 * Thanks! I am glad you like it. I also have always liked featured articles. A little more work, but definitely worth it.
 * The one I made has three colours, Light Green, Light Blue and Purplish. Don't you like my colours??? :)
 * --Jamie 17:01, 5 June 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)


 * Well, I did it. The MDP now sports the all-new redesign of the main page. I will let it ride for a few days to see how it handles and see if anyone has any complaints. Please, let me know if you would like the same for the DCDP. If you would, I will make it happen within the next few days. Hopefully in time for the Superman Returns launch. (Our traffic on the DCDP has nearly doubled this week!)
 * --Jamie 17:59, 25 June 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)


 * Wow, looks excellent Jamie! Can't wait to see what you do with the DCDP page.
 * --Brian 08:15, 26 June 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)


 * Obviously not done yet, but it is a start...
 * What do you think??
 * --Jamie 00:53, 30 June 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)


 * Okay, the all-new front page is (99%) ready to launch. Before I move it over, I want your blessing. You pretty much run the show over here at the DCDP, so I wanna get your approval, first.
 * I don't think it will need to be updated often, maybe once a month or so, but you are free to edit it whenever you get the itchin'.
 * Cheers! --Jamie 19:26, 11 July 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)
 * Woo-Hoo! Looks awesome! It gives the site a nice distinction - allowing it to stand out from your standard threadbare wiki. Though its kind of weird that you are asking for my approval. It's your barbeque brotha, I'm just here for the ribs! Mmmmmmmm...ribs. [/Homer drool]
 * --Brian 19:41, 11 July 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)


 * Just because I do the technical stuff, doesn't mean I own it. I truly believe you have just as much, or more, say about the DCDP as I do. You have clearly spent many more hours than anyone, working away... What kind of BBQ would it be if no one brought the ribs? I would be mighty starved over here, if it weren't for you.
 * Keep it real. he he he... :) --Jamie 22:52, 11 July 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)

Thanks
Hey brian thanks, i try. i have a thing about detail and organization so i just tried to make it easier to understand and all.

User:Salubri 1:45, 23 August 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)

Banning...
Hey Brian,

I noticed you banned Szyslak for 6 months... Unfortunately, these types of commercial vandalism are typically made by bots, or people who will never contribute anything valid. Feel free to ban them 'for infinity', I do. :)

(We can always unban them if we ever needed to...)

--Jamie 13:16, 16 October 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)


 * Sounds good to me. I figured I would be nice as it was a first offense. All spambots shall henceforth be smited! Mwaaaaaaaaaaa-Haaaaaaaaaaa-Haaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!<br.
 * --Brian 13:26, 16 October 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)

I dropped the hammer on Lesfer.koku 13:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool. I gave him the vandal warning earlier. Forgot about the smiting. Damn it! How could I forget the smiting!

Disambiguation Pages
Hey Brian,

I just wanted to give you a heads up that I changed all the disambig pages over to follow a standard naming convention. I hope this is okay with you... Let me know if you see it working better a different fashion...

(I removed the word "(disambiguation)" from all their names...)

Cheers,

--Jamie 00:57, 20 October 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)

Sounds cool, Jamie. I've always been shaky on the best way of naming disambig pages anyway. Never got the hang of the preferred method. Cheers, --Brian 08:30, 20 October 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)

As usual, you never cease to amaze...
Loving the new 'fact' and 'update' templates! I do try and watch for when you add new stuff like that, mostly because I want to add it to the Marvel site too!!!

If you could do me one favour though... just so we can keep everything easy to locate, whenever you add a new template-thingy, could you add them here?

Thanks dude!!!!

--Jamie 16:41, 20 October 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)


 * Hey, thanks Jamie. I admit, I kinda robbed the "Update" template idea from another site, but I figure it adds a little bit more color. One question though. I seem to be having trouble properly categorizing some of the templates. Fer instance, the template is supposed to pipe all of the images into the linked category, but none of them are showing up on the category page. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. --Brian 08:27, 23 October 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)


 * I think you missed this bit of code:
 * I also think that in order to make the ones you have already added show up, you must 'edit' them again and 'save' them. You don't have to actually make any changes, but the script to add categories is called when the save button is hit... so even though I fixed the stub, those articles may not show in the category. There are some in there, but maybe not all of them. Cheers!
 * P.S. Did you get my email from last night?
 * --Jamie 08:53, 23 October 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time)

Do me a favour?
A few images broke during upload, on both the MDP and DCDP, and I am asking those folks to reupload. It just so happens 4 of yours broke too. (The most recent 4) Mind redoing them? Cheers! --Jamie 22:02, 6 November 2006 (Eastern Standard Time)


 * No problem. Brian 07:34, 7 November 2006 (Eastern Standard Time)
 * Done. :) Brian 09:17, 8 November 2006 (Eastern Standard Time)

Cute
I saw that...Did you think I wouldn't see it? he he he You probably were smiling ear-to-ear when you 'welcomed' me to the project. I know technically I am a 'n00b', but did you have to smile so hard when you did it???

Cheers,

--JamieHari 07:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC) (Aka Jamie!!!)


 * Heh. I couldn't resist. And yes, there was much smiling. :)

--Brian

We will do the DCDP next month...
Can I ask? Would you vote for the Marvel Database to be the featured Wiki of the month?

I promise next month we will all band-together and vote for the DC Database Project. As it stands though, the DC site is getting a lot more help than 6 months ago, eh?

Cheers!

--JamieHari 20:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * No problemo. JUST so long as DCDP gets its props too. ;)
 * I have to admit, I am LOVING the influx of new users. Everyone's been really kicking tail! The Superman article in particular is looking schweeeet. -Brian Kurtz

FRESH MEAT
Hey Brian,

You have probably seen the 100+ new pages added to the database by Angela. We need to review, tidy up and move around these articles as per our current standards. I will help you too, but you can imagine the Marvel site has several hundred as well.

Angela was as kind as to provide a central index of new pages that we inherited: Merge:Index

Let me know if you have any questions...

Cheers!

--JamieHari 17:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Will do. Only fair to warn ya however...I'm going to have very limited access to the Internet for the next week or so, so I probably won't be able to monitor too many things just yet. --Brian Kurtz

EasyTimeline
Brian,

Do you remember asking me a (long, long) time ago about adding the EasyTimeline extension for you? Well, it should be working for you now. (The link above should show you how to use it...)

Let me know if you have any problems. Enjoy!

--JamieHari 18:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Woo-Hoo! I'll have to check it out. *cracks knuckles* Thanks, dude!. --Brian Kurtz

How could I make your life easier, you ask?
THIS is how! You thought the EasyTimeline was a 'knuckle-cracker'? This new feature will make 'em bleed!

It isn't ready for actual use yet, but as soon as it is, the DCDP will get it within minutes. (I promise!)

Tell me if you foresee any problems or concerns with it... Cheers!

--JamieHari 19:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * SWEET! Can't wait to see 'em up and running! (It'll save me from constantly having to reference the template pages. Haw!) --Brian Kurtz

Discussions you should look at
Hey Brian,

There are some template-related discussions on the Marvel forums. Cuz I figure we should keep Marvel and DC the same, I would love to have your thoughts too.

Here and here and here are the links.

Cheers!

--JamieHari 18:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Statistics
Thought you might be interested in seeing some really detailed statistics about the DCDP. It shows what a busy boy you have been... ;)

Don't be scared, but as of Dec 21st, 2006, 63.3% of the edits on the DC Database are yours. (Shrinking, I think becuase of the new editors that have come to join you.)

HERE are those stats! Enjoy!

--Jamie 15:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birthday to me...
Well, okay - not really. My birthday isn't until August. BUT... it has been exactly ONE year since I first put my mark on the DC Database Project. And the universe shuddered. --Brian Kurtz 15:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * And what a year it has been! We really appreciate everything you have done for the DC Database Project (not to mention the Marvel Database, too! ;)
 * The DC site wouldn't be a but a shadow of its current form, if it weren't for your tireless work.
 * I hope you have enjoyed your time with the project. Although it can often be tedious, I hope it has been a rewarding, learning experience!
 * As always, we are glad to have you aboard!
 * Cheers mate!
 * --Jamie 23:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Need Your Help
Brian, thanks for the kind words and assistance on my Appearances Template suggestion. Unfortunately, it seems that I do not have editing authority to add the template (DC Database: Appearances Template) to the Template page. If you could do so, I'd appreciate it. Thanks again for the help!

--SilentJustice 23:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for Your Help
Brian, thanks for restoring all of the Earth-Two and so-called minor realities entries.

Nice to see that I was not the only one who kept backup copies of the information and entries. While I apprecaite the idea that the DC universe rebooted in te printed pages, the entries are still applicable for those that want to read about it.

kal_l_fan Jan 28th 2007

Superman, This is Your Life
I didn't want to edit your work without letting you know (especially since I'm not sure I can do a good job of it), but in the Superman, This is Your Life series pages (it starts with Superman v2 #226), you talk about how Kal-El and Kal-L are reflecting on their lives, when in fact they are showing how they would have lived each others'  lives. Note the fact that the line "I'm living his life" appears a couple of time throughout this arc. What's the best approach to fixing this? Dlong 23:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Ahhh... I see. I admit, I was a tad confused with that storyline. I'm not sure what the best way of re-wording it might be. But please, by all means, if you can improve the context of the summary, edit away! I appreciate that you took the time to bring it to my attention. Welcome to the DCDB! --Brian Kurtz 23:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll do my best. It's a confusing story, that I had to read two or three times to understand, but now that I've done that it's one of my favorites. The biggest help for me was noting that the red captions are by Kal-L, but the black ones are by Kal-El. Anyway, I'm working on the articles now. Feel free to check my work. Dlong 02:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Features Article
Hey Brian! I wanted to ask you to change the featured article, if you agree of course. It's been the same for some time. Maybe you can make it Batman, Poison Ivy or Zatanna :) . Btw you're doing an excellent job. Copycat989 16:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

And Speaking of Poison Ivy do you know from what issue this picture is? I'm trying to get more issues in which Poison Ivy appears. Happy Sunday! Copycat989 11:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * As a matter of fact, I do! It's from Batman Vol 1 612, it was part of the Hush storyline. --Brian Kurtz 12:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thx Brian. You rock! Copycat989 12:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * BTW do you have yahoo messenger or msn? Copycat989 19:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Howdy
Can you have a peek at the recent contributons of 1989Guardian for me? He removed a bunch of stuff from 3 supergirl pages and I am not sure if the data was wrong, or if he was just being a naughty monkey. :)

Thanks!

--Jamie 21:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm on it like stink on a monkey! --Brian Kurtz 21:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Question re Greg Rucka change
Is there a particular reason why the "As writer" header for the article was removed?

I'm wondering since there are cases where the credit is broken down as "plot" and "script" and it seems to make sense to diferentiate in the biblio.

- J Greb 23:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Is there really a difference in so far as Rucka's work? (I'm not trying to sound sarcastic, I honestly don't know). I removed it because it seemed superflous as he is only a writer. It can always be put back in. No biggie. --Brian Kurtz 00:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * At this point, I'm not sure. I think all of his credits have been as writer.


 * As you point out though, it can be reintroduced if needed later.


 * - J Greb 01:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Gods and Goddesses
Brian, I've noticed you've been editing a number of the gods and goddesses bios I've been adding. Let me know if there's anything mythologically I can do to help, plus my myth site should have a lot of data on several of the other characters.

Oh, yeah, I've got several data on characters over at the Marvel database too that can be shared here.Thor2000 20:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Gods in the DC Universe
Got yer message. I'm aware of several deity appearances in the DC universe, and I'll do as much as I can with them; I know I can't just call dibs to them and hope no one alters the info. DC isn't mythologically accurate at times, and I'm aware they're not as streamlined as they are over at Marvel. The Olympians in the DC Universe are pretty much supporting characters behind Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel and make limited appearances without them.Thor2000 16:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Gallery
Hey Brian! I've changed the Gallery layout at MDP. Could you copy it here too? Thx Copycat989 08:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do. I marked it on my To Do list. --Brian Kurtz 20:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thx Copycat989 14:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

General category question...
Just wondering, is there a "powers" cat scheme in place or a desire for one?

- J Greb 21:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * There is a Powers category! Though its kinda sparse right now. --Brian Kurtz 12:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Appearances pages...
Is there a particular size that the project is looking at to split these?

I'm asking because I've been going to some length to keep all appearances on one page with a ToC some thing like this: (pardon the short hand...)


 * Appearances
 * As "A"
 * GA
 * SA
 * Modern
 * 52
 * OYL
 * As "B"
 * GA
 * SA
 * Modern
 * 52
 * OYL
 * Out of continuity

Then I ran across the Nightwing (Dick Grayson) and Robin (Dick Grayson) appearance pages.

Should these be combined or used as the preferred template for the other characters?

Thanks, - J Greb 04:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The Robin/Nightwing pages probably should be merged, though I would recommend an additional section header specifying which appearances were as Robin, and which ones were as Nightwing. I think I originally created them as two separate articles because I was afraid that the pages might become too unwieldy given the amount of appearances this character has made. Ideally, each character should only have one appearances page (barring Earth-One, Earth-Two characters) regardless of how many identities they've assumed over the years. Do you agree? --Brian Kurtz 12:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

DCAU template
Hi, can you help me with this, please? ―  T hailog  10:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure! You can add the link onto this page. I guess the fan-site section would probably be most appropriate. --Brian Kurtz 12:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That is protected. ; ) But I think you misunderstood. What I want is permission to created a template like this one but here on the DCDP, so as to link articles to their counterparts on the DCAU wiki . ―  T hailog  12:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ahhh, I see. Let me swing it by Jamie, the site-owner. I'm sure there won't be any problem though. --Brian Kurtz 12:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * So, no word yet? ―  T hailog  17:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I haven't heard from him, but I see no reason not to go ahead with it. If you feel comfortable with it, go ahead and create the template. I'll also add a link to the DCAU on the Links page. --Brian Kurtz 07:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I'll go ahead and do it then. ―  T hailog  09:09, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Just so that you don't think I'm linkspamming, I only linked the articles that already link to here from the DCAU Wikia. ―  T hailog  10:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delay folks, but I have been persuing off-site activities lately. :)
 * I am totally good with this as long as you are Brian.
 * Remember, I am not the 'site-owner' as much as the guide... I know where we have been and try to use that knowledge to guide us forward to the next level. No one can say I always know what is right, so you have all the power to make these types of calls Brian. Feel free to shoot first and ask (me) questions later. That's how we learn.
 * Cheers,
 * --Jamie 04:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Poison Ivy
Hey Brian! Do you know where this pic is actually from? On Wikipedia it's listed as bein from Legends of the Dark Knight: Annual #3, but I have that issue from 1993 and it's not there. Thx in advance. You've been very helpfull and I loved the Batman Hush series even read Gotham Knights 50-74. Copycat989 18:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, I have no idea wear that pic of Ivy is from, Copycat. --Brian Kurtz 12:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Action Comics #1
Hi, Brian -- I've been messing around with some of the Superman pages lately. I noticed that the synopsis you posted on Action Comics 1 (1938) doesn't match up with the reprint that I read in The Superman Chronicles TPB. From what I know, the first issue of Action Comics doesn't mention Jor-L, Lara or the Kents. There's just a one-page origin, and then it goes straight into the "Revolution in San Monte" story. The Kents don't appear until Superman #1 a year later, and I think his Krypton parents first appear in the comic strip.

Am I wrong about that? I'm curious where the synopsis that you posted came from. -- Danny (talk ) 13:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Gah! I think you're right about that. I meant to place them in Action #1 as a sort of behind-the-scenes characters. They should probably be removed. It's just one of about a million different things I forgot to re-edit. --Brian Kurtz 17:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, no problem! I can fix it -- I just wanted to make sure that I had the right information. You're obviously more of a fan than I am. :) -- Danny (talk ) 20:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * By the way, I just posted a new idea for a template -- Template:Issue -- that creates a box that would take the place of the "Summary" heading on issue pages. We use these kinds of info-boxes a lot on Muppet Wiki, to house the list-type info in little sidebars. If folks like that template here, we could also do one for the "Status" section on character pages, and other places where there are standard blocks of information that get filled in. I tried it out on Action Comics 1 (1938). What do you think? -- Danny (talk ) 21:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Lookin' pretty shweet. I like! Though I should probably give you fair warning, you may want to hold off on doing too many issues with your template. The reason I say this is because Jamie (the site owner) has just implemented a new issue template over at the Marvel Databse Project. Once they work the bugs out of it, he'll probably begin using a similar template here. Though I have no idea if, or when, such a thing may occur. --Brian Kurtz 12:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, cool. Do you know what the Marvel template is called? I'd like to take a look at it over there. I tried Template:Issue, but that's not it. -- Danny (talk ) 15:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's the link to the template itself. Here's an example of the template in use. --Brian Kurtz 22:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, now that's a pretty template. That looks great! It would be nice to have that here. -- Danny (talk ) 23:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

You seem like the guy to ask...
Hi Brian,

Hopefully this is the right way to contact you. I'm not terribly Net-savvy; I don't even really know what Wikia is. Never mind that, I'll hopefully pick it up as I go.

Anyway, I just dug up a bunch of old comics and want to do some editing. I was going to start will some Hellblazers and saw that you got there first. This may be real naive, but do I need to write to you and ask your permission before I make changes? (I mean, I know that I COULD, but is that the right etiquette? Or is that just how Wikipedia/Wikia-type projects work?)

Thanks for your input.

Oh, also one more thing: I was starting with issues 44 and 45. You have Karen Berger listed as the editor-in-chief. I can't find that information in the comic itself (it appears that she was the regular series editor through issue 40). That's one thing I was going to change -- I was going to remove her credit as editor-in-chief. But perhaps you have information I don't?

Thanks again. Talk to you soon.

Josh Q.


 * Hey Josh, thanks for dropping me a line. Any changes, additions or edits you feel will improve the DCDB are most certainly welcome! You don't need my permission, but I greatly appreciate the courtesy in asking. I couldn't prevent you from editing even if I wanted to. It's against the Wikia rules. It's a community effort, and that's part of what it makes it fun.


 * On the Karen Berger thing... the role of EIC at DC is never easily defined. I know Berger is basically the head-honcho of all things Vertigo, so I've been placing her as de facto EIC for all Vertigo books. If you feel that the information is inaccurate, by all means, make any edits you see fit. Welcome to the DCDB! --Brian Kurtz 15:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Cool, Brian -- thanks. I was really excited to find this database and I look forward to contributing to it. I haven't seen some of these comics in a decade, so it's going to be fun going through them all again. You seem like one of the "big cheeses" 'round these parts, so I may throw more questions your way as they come up. Let me know if there's a more appropriate person to be asking...

Regarding Karen Berger: After some brief Googling, it appears her official title at DC became "executive editor" with the lead-up to and launch of the Vertigo line. However, I'd suggest more research is needed before that information is officially posted on the DCDB.

However, after thinking about it, I say that whatever her title was, she deserves to be listed in the credits. After all, she was the key person in guiding the formation and development of Vertigo. Maybe we just need to signify that her credit is not taken directly from the comic itself or provide a separate sourcing or something. Eh, I'll give it a go and let you know what I come up with. Thanks again for your response. -- Josh Q.


 * Hmmm... maybe on some of those issues, we should just change "Editor-in-Chief" to "Executive Editor" as you suggested. Sounds like a good idea. Cheers! --Brian Kurtz 16:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

The new Create a new page page
I have added the character and comic templates to the DCDP for your immediate use and enjoyment. Try it out on a few and let me know if you find any problems or have any questions. They are carbon copies of their MDP counterparts. If we make any changes over there, I will try my best to bring those updates to you in a timely fashion.

Sorry for the delay, but I think it was worth it. We have worked out a lot of kinks since we first created them. Let me know how it goes...

Cheers!

--Jamie 04:18, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

WOO-HOO! Thanks, Jamie! Can't wait to try 'em out! --Brian Kurtz 16:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * HI Brian. Checked out the Character Template on the Question - is there a way to reduce the "white space" after each line in the template, it tends to look a little larger than it maybe needs to be (that is, shouldn't the little infobox thing fit on a screen or less)? Roygbiv666 23:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, Roy. As of right now, there's nothing that can be done. That's one of the "bugs" in the coding. Trust me, the white space irritates me too. It's even worse on the comic issue pages. I know Jamie and the other tech gurus have been playing around with the template code. Hopefully, they'll find a way around it soon.  --Brian Kurtz 23:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I like the way the infobox on DCAU looks - could that be modified in some way? I haven't followed any Character Infobox Template discussions, so I can't really make a comment about it. Is it supposed to be a quick reference type thing? If so, why is it highlighting, for a rude turn of phrase, the "boring parts" of the character bio (Height, weight, etc.)? Would it make more sense for it to be Powers/abilities, etc.? Regards, Roygbiv666 23:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Brian and Roy! If you use Mozilla Firefox (which I'm using) or Opera, it won't appear any unnecessary space. (Maybe something that could be put on the Main Page: "This page is best viewed in Mozilla Firefox.") Greetings,  The Clever Guy   Talk!  16:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah... I see that the character pages don't look too bad. Just checked out the DCAU pages as well... they do in fact have some pretty snazzy info boxes. --Brian Kurtz 04:20, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Issue Template
As fascinating as it is to see a 2 screen list of characters appearing in a comic, is there a way to create a template (vaguely similar to the Character Template) that would provide for people to enter characters in the list, then have that info propagate to that Character's Appearances page automatically? So you enter "Adam Strange" in "Cast1" or whatever, then that fact that Adam Strange is appearing in the comic gets .. um ... sent to the "Adam Strange Appearances" page? I have no clue, so I ask.
 * -Roygbiv666 20:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... not sure. I'm gonna forward this one to Jamie. He's the coding guru. I know he's been looking into adapting some new auto-features for the templates. --Brian Kurtz 20:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Great idea Roygbiv666!
 * Oddly enough, the template already does that! It does both, actually. :)
 * The reason why you don't see it is that the Adam Strange article isn't using the new character template. If we convert that article, it automagically creates a link under 'see also' or something to Category:Adam_Strange/Appearances.
 * This list (Category:Adam_Strange/Appearances) is automagically generated by filling in the 'cast' information on the comic article itself. In this case, mostly '52' comics...
 * Man, I wish you had have came to me with this awesome idea like 2 years ago... Would have saved us a lot of head-scratchin'. ;)
 * Seriously though, keep those ideas coming! Awesome stuff!
 * --Jamie 23:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * D'oh!
 * -Roygbiv666 01:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Featured Articles
I was told to talk to you about dfeatured atricles on both websites. I have one for Marvel called No Prize which I built from scratch, and was told to ask you to look at it and see if it's "up to snuff" for the main page. Didn't meant to cross into DC terriroty for this, but this was teh page she gave me. :) Let me know when you can.  --JohnQ.Public 23:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops, my bad!
 * I didn't realize the No Prize article was to be a MARVEL featured article. I thought it was DC for some reason... Silly me!
 * Brian, I had told John to contact you, typically for matters concerning the DC Database, but since this is a Marvel related issue, that usually falls to me...
 * Again, I am sorry for the confusion!
 * As for making it the 'featured article', I can definitely do that for you John, but it will have to wait a bit until the Spider-Man 3 article has outlived its usefullness. I think that might be another week or two still...
 * Also note John, the DC and Marvel Databases are sister projects and we 'share' territory. Staff members on one site are often also staff members on the other, so you aren't stepping on any toes. ;)
 * Cheers!
 * --Jamie 06:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh... that's kinda funny. I was about to suggest the exact same thing -- waiting until Spider-Man 3 has run it's course before switching it out for any new featured articles.


 * JohnQ.Public, as you just found out, I'm also an admin at the MDP, so don't hesitate to ask if you've got any questions or anything on your mind. Sorry I didn't respond sooner. --Brian Kurtz 12:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Golden/Silver/Bronze
Hey, I just wanted to let you know that I modified the Comic Template to automatically place every single comic on the database in Golden/Silver/Bronze/Copper/Modern categories. If you have placed it manually on any comic articles, you can probably remove those references if you find them. Let me know if it doesn't work right. I know the boundaries are somewhat fuzzy, but I did the best I could. We can change those boundaries later, and the template will move all the comics automagically, so don't worry about that for now. I have added this on the DCDP and the MDP... Unrelated: Don't you think its time to 'archive' some of your talk page discussions? It's gettin' kinda long... :) Cheers! --Jamie 04:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, that's pretty cool! I assume it auto-categorizes them based upon the date value? Oh... and I would LOVE to archive my talk page.... I'm just err... umm... not sure how to go about doing that. eep. --Brian Kurtz 11:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Some questions
Hi Brian! CleverGuy here. I have some questions to you:

Thanks, -- The Clever Guy ( Talk / Contribs ) 14:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to rename/move categories? If so, I have got some categories that should be removed or renamed:
 * Category:Orandian to Category:United Planets (Orando)
 * Category:Trommite to Category:United Planets (Trom)
 * Category:Talokian to Category:United Planets (Talok VIII)
 * Category:Carggite to Category:United Planets (Cargg)
 * Category:Bgtzlians to Category:Bgtzlian (It's unlikely that Bgtzl belongs to United Planets in current continuity; Bgtzl is now a separate universe)
 * Category:Xanthuan should be deleted, Category:United Planets (Xanthu) does already exist.
 * Could you do me another favor, by deleting ... They have waaaay to wide shoulders. (Which has to do with the template was of a male, Star Boy, and I was to lazy to fix that at once)
 * Do you know any good helper application (for external image editing) to receive the script that the wiki sends (and could you include a link)?


 * Hey, CleverGuy. Unfortunately, category names cannot be moved and/or re-named. It looks like the existing category names are fine though. Under the character template, it should auto-link to the existing category under the "Citizenship" value. I'll delete the images that you requested, but I don't know of any external image editing applications. I see that you also asked CopyCat about that - she does a lot with images, so hopefully she'll be able to point you in the right direction. Cheers! --Brian Kurtz 15:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks Brian. Copycat989 didn't know a helper application either. It should help a little if the DC Database (and Marvel Database too) had the image function "Upload a new version of this file" that are on the Wikipedia. It may have something to do with the MediaWiki version. Greetings, The Clever Guy  ( Talk / Contribs ) 17:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

New naming conventions
Hey Brian, The Marvel Database is about to change our naming convention for characters. The purpose being to allow our fancy new templates to work their magic more easily. :) Once we have begun and ironed out any wrinkles, we will probably try and come up with something similar for the DC Database. There is a huge discussion on it, if you haven't already read it. There is no doubt in my mind this will be a pant-load of work for everyone, on all projects, but most definitely worthwhile in the end. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns... --Jamie 17:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

More Updates
In other news, Wikia will be launching two new skins, more editing tools and upgrading us to the latest version of software. From my understanding, this will all take place within the next week or two. Once these changes are implemented, I will be tossing in a few more monkey-wrenches as well. I will be adding new sections such as News:, Comics:, Blogs: and Votes: It might not mean much right now, but you will see what I mean after I have produced a sample. The next 30 days will be a VERY exciting time for the Marvel and DC Databases... stay tuned. :) Cheers, --Jamie 17:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Circe
Thx for making Circe the featured Article. Copycat989 08:19, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem. I figured you would like that. :) --Brian Kurtz 12:10, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Featured Wikia Wiki
I told you it would happen. :) Congrats Brian! Cheers, --Jamie 01:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * [Geekasim!] Wow! That's awesome! Oh... btw, I noticed those little award thingies that you put on my user page at MDP. THANKS! --Brian Kurtz 02:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You more than deserve them.
 * It is on my todo list to add those award thingies to the DCDP, too. :)
 * (Among a million other things...)
 * Cheers!
 * --Jamie 05:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations Brian!!! Copycat989 08:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank You!--Brian Kurtz 12:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Earth-247
Hey Brian! I saw the Mano article you created. Great job! The universe tag (Earth-247) made me think about the various reboots that the Legion has gone through, and that all of them but possibly one (the timeline of the current Legion series) of them belongs to Earth-247. I don't think people from all of the timelines could have the same category. I suggest there will be some sub-categories for Earth-247:
 * Category:Earth-247 (Pre-Crisis)
 * Category:Earth-247 (Post-Crisis)
 * Category:Earth-247 (Glorithverse)
 * Category:Earth-247 (Post-Zero Hour)

(Although characters from Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis and Glorithverse could be placed in the same article, since the Post-Zero Hour reboot was the first "real" reboot.)

A full list of the Legions members and different timelines are available here. What do you think? The Clever Guy (Talk &bull; Contribs &bull; E-Mail) 08:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way, in page titles, should there be "(Pre-Zero Hour/Post-Zero Hour)" or "(Pre-ZH/Post-ZH)? (The last one would shorten the title pretty much.) The Clever Guy (Talk &bull; Contribs &bull; E-Mail) 12:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the compliment. These are all great points you brought up, and ones I hadn't even considered before. Wow, a Legion Wiki. That's pretty sweet! As of yet, I'm really not sure the best to handle the category thing. I agree with you that each LSH member should be categorized as per their actual home dimension, but I'm not sure how "official" the Earth-247 designation is. As far as I know, it's only been referenced once during Infinite Crisis, and it's even possible that it might be yet another separate dimension from the more familiar Pre-Crisis Legion. Unfortunately, Legion material is not my strong suit. Perhaps this should be brought up on the forum as well. I would love to hear the opinion of others who have a better grip on the Legionverse.


 * Sorry... I know this probably doesn't make a lot of sense. I haven't had my coffee yet, and I'm still a little froggy. --Brian Kurtz 12:34, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Man, the more I think about it, the more I realize how complex this situation actually is. For the time being, I recommend leaving the "Reality" field blank on all LSH member pages (as well as their villains, supporting cast, etc).


 * For LSH naming conventions, I think we should stick with "Character Name (Pre-Zero Hour)" fully spelled out. Some readers may not immediately know what "ZH" stands for. To distinguish between reality/timelines, I suggest the following criteria (with some notable exceptions):


 * Hero name by itself - redirects to disambig page, except in the case where the character in question is only known by their hero name.


 * Hero name followed by real name in parenthesis - should be used for the character as they are currently seen today. All modern versions of the LSH should have page names that follow this format.


 * Hero name followed by (Pre-Zero Hour) - indicates all "classic" LSH members. The hero name should reflect the last alias used by the character prior to reboot; example Light Lass vs. Lightning Lass. Also, all other name changes such as Imra Ardeen to Imra Ardeen Rannz should redirect to Saturn Girl (Pre-Zero Hour).


 * Hero name followed by (Post-Zero Hour) - indicates all LSH members that appear after Legion of Super-Heroes (1989 series) #61 and Legionnaires #18; The only exceptions should be characters who went by a code name different from that of their Pre-Zero Hour incarnation, ala Chameleon Boy became Chameleon etc.

I'm going to repost this on the LSH talk page, so that it gets more notice. I'd like to here the opinions of others as well. --Brian Kurtz 15:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If Earth-247 only has been referenced in Infinite Crisis (as the Post-Zero Hour 31st century), what says that it was the pre-Zero Hour Earth? I haven't read Infinite Crisis (due to very limited comic selling in Sweden) so, unless there's stated something else about this in Infinite Crisis, couldn't post-Zero Hour characters be named "Real name (Earth-247)"? The Clever Guy (Talk &bull; Contribs &bull; E-Mail) 11:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think it was supposed to be Post-Zero Hour, I think it was meant to reflect Pre-Zero Hour, if even that. It's also just as likely that it was a snapshot of a reality that only made one appearance. It only appeared in one panel, and I'm reasonably certain that Earth-247 is no longer part of the current reality designations. In the rebooted Multiverse, the numbers go from 1-52.


 * Oh... I created a thread concerning this on the forums. Hopefully others can lend some opinions as well. Cheers! --Brian Kurtz 12:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Category: Multiverse Purpose
Hey Brian - theoretically, everything on the database could be considered part of the category of the multiverse. Should we try to limit it to, well, Multiversal stuff only?
 * --Roygbiv666 18:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I assume you mean with regards to the Location template, right? Yeah... I noticed how all of the locations are going to auto-categorize every location value that is placed there. Could make things awfully messy as the site grows. I agree with you. The Multiverse category should only contain articles that specifically relate to the Multiverse at large, such as Megaverse and Multiversal Nexus. We should probably address this with Profzoom as well; see what he thinks. --Brian Kurtz 18:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * We should have some explantory text in the templates to tell people how to fill them out. That's one of the ideas in the back of my head --to better organize the help sections of the database. Someday.
 * --Roygbiv666 16:49, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

JLA/Avengers
Brian and Jamie (I'm double posting): With the JLA/Avengers comic series and event, we have one volume of comics, published by two companies. I was in the midst of updating the Avengers/JLA 2 (2003) entry with the template when my computer crashed. Anyway, because the template auto-categorizes a Gallery and the Volume name, it got me thinking that if we have one entry on the DCDP and another on the MDP, we'd have a bunch of pointless duplication. Would it make any sense to just have two entries on one database and two on the other (two issues each), with cross-wiki links making it appear seamless (#1 by Marvel on the MDP links to the next issue #2 on the DCDP, etc.). DC's issues were called "Avengers/JLA", Marvel's were "JLA/Avengers" - technically the series has two names. If any of this makes any sense, drop me a line.
 * --Roygbiv666 01:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I just went ahead and did it - lemme know what you think. JLA/Avengers
 * --Roygbiv666 01:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey yeah... that looks good. It certainly eases up the two-title problem. --Brian Kurtz 12:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Dumping the dates from comic issue pages
Hey Jamie,

Ideally, I'd post this on the forum, but they seem to be out of commission right now, so I'm just gonna copy this same message to a few of the other admins.

How would you feel about dumping the dates from comic issue pages? They're a REAL pain in the ass quite frankly, and I mostly started doing it because that was what was recommended in the style guide when I first came on board. Besides which, the MDP doesn't really use them, and it might make things look more streamlined. The downside would be that literally HUNDREDS of issue pages would have to be moved. I don't mind doing it really... but it will require a lot of committment.

I'm thinking we could either format it the same as MDP which would be, "Superman Vol 2 266", omitting volume #s for series 1 titles, or we could keep it sorta close to how it is now, "Superman (Volume 2) 266". Or we could just keep chugging along the we've always done. What do ya think? Lemme know your opinion on my talk page. Thanks! --Brian Kurtz 19:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oddly, this is being dicussed on the forums... Yeah.
 * I agree... it was a poorly designed. My bad. :(
 * --Jamie 19:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * And, as always, I advise everyone to let laziness be their guide - if a decision is made to dump them, we should have Jamie's little robot pals take care of that.--Roygbiv666 15:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah! The Jamiebot would be great for this. Especially for moving all of the unmade page titles from Comic List pages. Which, in effect, would be the real labor-intensive aspect of this project. --Brian Kurtz 15:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome template
Hey Brian!

I just wanted to mention that I have tweaked the template a bit... Now, if you place it on a users talk page, it will actually help them create their user page. (I think...) If it is placed on their user page, the template thinks they already have a user page and won't let them use the new automated steps... Let me know if you find any bugs in it! Cheers, --Jamie 03:11, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Ahhh... gotcha! Will keep an eye out. --Brian Kurtz 03:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Category:Navigation/Events Templates
Oops - I created a new Category called "Events Templates" as I didn't notice you already had a "Navigation". Should I delete mine, combine them, etc?
 * --Roygbiv666 19:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah... they should prolly all go under one category. Navigation. No biggie. --Brian Kurtz 19:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Statue of Liberty
Hey,

Can you do me a favour and check the recent edits of Skibumbilly on Statue of Liberty?

Looks like vandalism to me... I have already warned him once.

Feel free to ban him for a week or more, as you see fit. :)

Cheers,

--Jamie 21:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Will do. --Brian Kurtz 21:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... can't confirm the accuracy of the edits. It may be retcon info that I'm unaware of. Seems innocent though. I'll keep the page on my watchlist. --Brian Kurtz 21:59, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Thatcrazymonk
Hey. :)

What do you think about this question?

Cheers!

--Jamie 17:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm on it like stink on a monkey! :) --Brian Kurtz 18:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, but what KIND of monkey?
 * A Macaque, a Baboon, or an Indonesian Stink Monkey?
 * I suppose the answer is obvious, but I wanted to be sure. ;)
 * --Jamie 18:22, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ooooh... Indonesian Stink Monkey. I like the sound of that. :) --Brian Kurtz 12:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Uh...
Hi Brian,

Did you get my message from a few days ago? If not, I'll resend.

(I really am SUCH a novice.)

Josh Q.


 * Sorry dude... I don't think I received it. Couldn't find it anyway. I guess you can just retype it here. :) --Brian Kurtz 16:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey Brian,

Yeah... I don’t know why I can’t figure out the little things… jus’ plain dumm, ah reckon…

Anyway, I had written to thank you for the input, and also to add, once again, that yes, I know it's a Wiki and all, but still, if you had a hand in any of those pages and I stepped on your toes with any of my changes, let me know (I strive to be a polite Web contributor).

So anyway, the cool thing is, I haven't READ all of 52. Yet. I just finished getting them all (I don‘t live in a town with a comic book shop), and frankly, the only way I can make much sense of 'em (because they require a pretty total knowledge of the DC Universe) is fine-tooth-combing 'em, and I figure if I'm already doing that, I can try to help others save time so they can volunteer at homeless shelters, etc.

Speaking of which, if you happen to have 52 #1 or #5 handy, there are a couple of unidentified characters therein. Any ideas?

Always nice to get feedback! Keep in touch.

Josh

More 52 fun
Hey Brian,

If you'd like to see what an unhealthy dose of OCD can do, check out week 24. I daresay, it's my masterpiece... :P

By the way, if that page makes you wonder... I really DO have a life, just some recent free time.

Later,

Josh


 * SWEET! Awesome editing work. And trust me when I say... I would be the LAST person to accuse someone else of not having a life. It's all about maximizing spare time. At least... that's what the voices in my head tell me. :) --Brian Kurtz 19:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Green Arrow picture Smallville
Hi Brian it's Rod thank you for posting that message that was a nice help for me because I'm still trying to get use how to do this editing on this website it's hard to learn. As for the picture the people of Kryptonsite didn't give me permission so you can take it off I just took it from the site to use as wallpaper backround for my computer. But I would like to make a few pages or creat some sort of a project with DC superhero characters from Smallville and DC movies because I think it would be great for this site in comparing the comics and the movie and TV versions of the DC comic books. Once again thanks for your help.

from Rod12

DC Comics Movies and TV
Hi Brian it's Rod thanks for the quick reply that was great one ever you get a chance in finding that smallville link or just any reference on DC Comics Movies or TV send me any news or links if you could be cause I'm always interested in hearing the lastest news. By the way this is a great referance site you created by any chance did you help or also creat the Marvel site keep up the good work.

from Rod

Why Val Armorr can't be located at "Karate Kid (Pre-Zero Hour)"
Hey Brian... I don't blame you, since people who haven't read "Legion of Super-Heroes" do often have the misfortune to not know this: Val Armorr was not the only pre-Zero Hour character who used the alias "Karate Kid".  Now you might be thinking "Aww crap. Now I have to change every article in his appearance category." But don't worry. I can do it... someday (maybe with a bot if Jamie permits it). Thoughts? The Clever Guy (Talk &bull; Contribs &bull; E-Mail) 15:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yoiks! I had no idea that there was a second Karate Kid! Grrrr. Maybe another page can be created called "Karate Kid (Myg)"??? I don't know how significant this character was. --Brian Kurtz 15:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Green Arrow Year One 5
Hi Brian it Rod12 I found picture of Green Arrow Year One 5 and I got it from the DC Comics web site is that ok check it out see what you think it's not out on stands yet but the site let me see the picture of it. So I was wondering what we should do from there on the issue of editing it.

from Rod12

Looks good, Rod12. As far as editing pics, you can add certain tags to the image pages, such as Template:Cover Art Image, Template:Comic Cover and Template:Character Image. This acknowledges that they are copyrighted images and that they fall under the "fair use" guidelines. Cheers! --Brian Kurtz 22:51, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

LSH appearances
Hey. Do you think we're ready to create appearance categories for LSH characters? (I'm asking because I've seen new cats for for example Saturn Girl (Imra Ardeen) (nice job there btw! I had wanted to fix that page long ago, but I just got an headache every time I went there!) and it's empty.) I think that we should be ready, if the character's page is properly named after the naming conventions. I'm saying that because I'm 80% certain that the Legion Universe of the 5th series/Supergirl&Legion series belongs to New Earth and that Jim Shooter confirmed that there will not be a reboot when he begins to work with the Legion again (and I presume that the Legion won't be rebooted at Final Crisis either). Thoughts? The Clever Guy ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 07:33, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Crime Society of Earth-3
Kal - you're the expert here -- what do you think the entry for the new Crime Society should be called? "Crime Society" or "Crime Society (Earth-3)"? I'm copying this to Brian Kurtz for his input too. --Roygbiv666 13:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Excuse me if you think I'm intruding, but I think it should be called "Crime Society (Earth-3)" to fit with the naming conventions. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 13:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Crime Society (Earth-3) sounds good to me. I assume of course that we are talking about some new-fangled Post-52 Earth-3, correct? Not Pre-Crisis Earth-Three. --Brian Kurtz 14:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You are correct, sir. How old do you have to be to legitimately use the term "new-fangled"? --Roygbiv666 18:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * LOL! I dunno. Methinks I'm showing my age just a bit. Hold on, lemme fetch mah bifocles so's I can read this page more clearly. You kids today and your crazy rebooted multiverses. Bah! ;-) --Brian Kurtz 18:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Character Template
Hi Mr. Kurtz, I fixed a minor bug in the Marvel Character Template where if you left the Gender field blank, it spit some ugly stuff out on the page. So if you could copy/paste the code on over here so that it's updated on this side, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! --Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 08:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, no prob! Thanks for the tip! --Brian Kurtz 11:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe this should be done now.
 * I took care of this late last night. :)
 * --Jamie 20:34, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Green Arrow Family Question
Hi Brian its Rod12 I was wondering is Oliver Queen's family at all similar to Bruce Wayne's family meaning does Oliver Queen have a family member like Bruce Wayne does with Alfred. I know that he and Bruce Wayne both have parents that died. But Oliver Queen doesn't real have a family history and friends like Bruce Wayne. If you could give me an answer on this question that would be great.

from Rod12


 * Hey, Rod12. Ollie doesn't really have much of an extended family. Very little is known about his parents, and he doesn't have any brothers or sisters, or uncles. The closest thing he's ever had to an "Alfred" was Stanley Dover, but that guy turned out to be a psychopathic child killer. Ollie's got two illegitimate children. Connor Hawke, and a son he sired with Shado. Ollie's family tree grew recently over in (SPOILERS) this issue. Hope this helps. --Brian Kurtz 12:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions
Hey there!

How goes it?

Just dropping a line to let you know that I updated the naming conventions (finally) to match the updates on the MDP.

First, let me know if you have any thoughts or concerns that won't work for the DCDP...

Secondly, if possible, would you mind changing any references to "Marvel Stuff" in that article?

(Change Spider-Man to Batman, etc)

I know you will probably hate me forever, but I changed the way comic articles are named.

I did it because if we follow the new naming scheme, the template will do some magical things for 'next / previous' in the infobox. :)

Ought to save us some work in the long run!

If you need help moving (renaming) comics to the new convention, let me know and I will help you out personally. ;)

There are ONLY 3000! hahaha

--Jamie 03:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh. I've actually moved MOST of the comic issue pages already. I think I'm up to the letter "S" now. I still need to go back and fix the red links in some of the comic list pages, but so far most of them follow the "Title Vol 2 XX" format as opposed to the "Captain Silly Pants 32 (Volume 3, 2007)" format that we used before. --Brian Kurtz 12:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * As always, you never cease to amaze!
 * Was Captain Silly Pants #32 the one where he first uses his 'moon' beam? Or was that #33?
 * Cheers! ;)
 * --Jamie 14:52, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Neither. That was actually in the ever-elusive hard-to-find Captain Silly Pants and the Trouser Brigade Holiday Special (1967). It's a common mistake.


 * lol. :)--Brian Kurtz 14:56, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That is why you are the pro!
 * --Jamie 16:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Does it strike either of you as ironic that DC's multi-Earth names are easier to keep track of than Marvel's now (being only 52 of them now) seeing as how DC's been the one to catch flak from nerds about multiple Universe's being confusing?
 * --Roygbiv666 23:56, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Character Template
The character Template has been updated over on the Marvel side. It'll now accept a quote for above the history text, will allow users to insert an UnusualSkinColor, and will autocategorize many different occupations, unusual features, and standard origins. Let me know if you have any questions about the changes. (I can't implement them on this database, or I'd do it myself). Thanks! --Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 21:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Will do. Thanks for the update, Pete! --Brian Kurtz 22:20, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

President before Luthor
Thought you might know, and I can't find the info: Any idea who was President of the USA before Luthor (during No Man's Land I think)? Thanks
 * --Roygbiv666 23:52, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Template:Prezero
Hey. Shouldn't this template be substituted when it's placed in an article? (= )  The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 16:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I really understand the question. I pretty much just created the template to avoid having to write the same thing on every Pre-Zero LSH page. --Brian Kurtz 16:21, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Example: If you add a substituted welcoming template to a new page, then, when you edit that page the next time, it will look like you earlier wrote this text (the template code) all by your self. That means that you can edit that template text on that particular page without affecting any other page with that template. Actually, I think that ~ is some kind of substitution... Get it? Thoughts...? The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 16:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Teen Titans 41.jpg vs. Image:TeenTitans41.jpg
Hey. Why exactly did you delete Image:TeenTitans41.jpg? It is not a duplicate image because 1) it's bigger than Image:Teen Titans 41.jpg, and 2) on Image:Teen Titans 41.jpg, Miss Martian and Jericho are shadowed, but were visible on Image:TeenTitans41.jpg. See for yourself: (the linked image is almost like the one I uploaded). The Clever Guy ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 19:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I restored the one pic and dumped the other. I didn't realize that some of the characters were shadowed out. The two are similar enough however, that we don't need both of them. --Brian Kurtz 20:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Thanks for reuploading my pic. :) The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 04:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Fan Art using Image Template
Hey. If I would use the Image Template on a fan art image, do you think the subject fields and the universe field should be left empty? I mean, I wanna do it right from the beginning, I've got pretty much of fan art and there are more coming. :) The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 18:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. Good question. I would definitely leave the Universe field empty. It would probably be best to leave the subject line empty, too. At least for now. I would however, make sure you include your own user name under penciler/inker/colourist, etc. You can categorizes yourself under Category:Images/User Images. Cheers! --Brian Kurtz 20:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

LSH characters
I know [you think] you're completely off your element (or at least were/thought you were) when it comes to Legion stuff... ...maybe that's why I'm telling you about this. Some people, like Chuck Taine and Shvaughn Erin have not appeared in the most recent Legionverse (although an unnamed character visually similar to Chuck appeared in Supergirl and the Legion of Super-Heroes #31 ; and, she/he is called Shvaughn Erin, and not Erin Shvaughn :). Something notable is that the pre-ZH Shvaughn was born as Sean, and was, as far as I know, the first transsexual in comics.). I've listed all Legion-related people on the New Earth-Legion page, and I think I've listed all notable LSH characters on the post-ZH Legion page, in case you're uncertain if any other pre-ZH LSH character have appeared since their era ended. And I don't think the Chuck Taine (New Earth) page should be deleted either, as there was a visually similar character who will presumably make more appearances and be explored further. Thoughts? The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 17:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Good points! I have to admit, I was kind of wondering if some of those characters even exist in current continuity, particularly Shvaughn Erin. I'll research a little further, and make updates where needed. I agree with you that the existing New Earth pages for Chuck Taine etc. shouldn't be dumped, as I'm sure a New Earth Bouncing Boy will pop up at some point. Maybe, we'll just leave them as stubs, or as placeholders in the eventuality that such a character is created. While I'm at it, I'm probably going to create Minor character pages for some of the Pocket Universe LSH members that popped up in Superman Vol 2 8. I don't think they made enough appearances to warrent full pages, but I could be wrong. I'm going to start naming them "Real Name (Pocket Universe)", etc. unless you know of a better naming convention for them. --Brian Kurtz 17:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I don't think these LSH members are from the pocket universe, other than Superboy himself. My impression was that these people were the post-Crisis Legion, in the future of the post-Crisis Earth, but that Time Trapper created the Pocket Universe that certainly looked like Earth-One to give the Legion an inspiration. It was revealed that without Trapper's interference, the Legion would never be. Time Trapper was killed in the beginning of the LSH vol 4 era, I think, and the Mordruverse was born, and Time Trapper's motifs for creating the Legion was revealed: without the Legion, Mordru would conquer the universe. Glorith took Trapper's place and recreated the Legion, and instead of Superboy, Mon-El and Supergirl, there was Valor (some kind of Lar Gand) and Andromeda. I think the timeline was pretty much the same as on Earth-One, just with Valor in place of Superboy and Andromeda in place of Supergirl. (Haven't people heard about chaos theory and the butterfly effect anyone?)
 * By the way, I'm now up to 98% certain that the current Legion series belongs to New Earth. Proofs? Well, we have both Mon-El, the Invasion! (which is referred in a flashback by a Dominator in Supergirl and the Legion of Super-Heroes #29, where you could see Wonder Woman, Superman, the first Firestorm, Martian Manhunter, Captain Atom and Hal Jordan, who only could have been together on a post-Crisis Earth, or, in this case, Dominion). I'd like to see what DC would have for explaination if it shows up that the current Legion aren't on New Earth... The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 17:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Ahhh.... gotcha. For that Superman page then, I'll just put generic links under appearances and leave the cast values blank. For now. --Brian Kurtz 18:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I put a warning message at the top of the Chuck Taine (New Earth). By the way, shouldn't it be "Charles Taine (Universe)"? The new naming rules don't appear to permit nicknames. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 19:32, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, Cool! I like the warning template. Charles Taine probably would be better. Some of the naming convention rules are going to have to get bent here and there however, as there are several characters who belong to one reality and share the same name (Harold Jordan, Vril Dox, Bartholomew Allen, etc; don't even get me started on all of those Earth-S Billy Batsons. Oi!) Ole Bouncing Boy probably won't be a problem in this regard though.


 * Oh... by the way, if you seen any more LSH disambig pages that include placeholders for non-existent characters, you could probably remove them or tag them for deletion if you want to. I'm not sure how many "old school" characters made the jump to New Earth continuity or not, so I may have created some red-link place holders for characters that don't exist. --Brian Kurtz 19:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I think I've put all LSH-related characters on the LSH page and the Wanderer page, under "Members", "Former Members", "Allies", "Enemies", etc. And, as for characters who share their names with others, they might require multiple paranthesis or something like this: "Harold Jordan (Green Lantern; New Earth)" or "Harold Jordan II (New Earth)". The Clever Guy ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 20:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... I'd like to avoid multiple parenthesis if at all possible. I've continued this over on the Naming Convention talk page. --Brian Kurtz 13:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, Brian, but the Chuck Taine-like figure I referred to in the first post in this section is most likely Randall Burroughs and the similarity to Chuck was probably unintentional. The Chuck Taine (New Earth) article may need deletion. The Clever Guy ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 18:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the update. I deleted all of the Chuck Taine link-to pages. They can always be re-instated if DC decides to introduce the character. --Brian Kurtz 23:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. The LSH animated show... ...I'm not certain that's in proper DCAU contintuity. Maybe, instead of "Kell-El (DCAU)" there may could be "Kell-El (LSHAU)" as in "Legion of Super-Heroes Animated Universe". It may not be an official acronym/designation, but I suppose so are not "DCAU", "Glorithverse", "Mordruverse" or "Earth-ABC" either. Thoughts? The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 19:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... good points. Thus far I've been kind of lumping all animated versions of DC characters under one umbrella. I know for a fact that the LSH cartoon is not the same continuity as Superman, Justice League Unlimited or any of the others. Methinks, I shall have to ponder this one further... :) --Brian Kurtz 19:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Minor Character Template
Hey Brian - again, figured you're the guy (you need some minions). I created a couple of Minor Character entries (See Hyperboy for example). At the bottom of the page is a link in red called "Edit Kirk Quentin" which tries to edit an entry called "Minor:Kirk Quentin". Any idea why? I figure its a bug from the Marvel template that was likely used as a basis.
 * --Roygbiv666 18:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oooooh... minions. I like the sound of that.


 * The way they've done it on MDP is that all minor characters use the naming convention "Minor:Captain Crazy Hair (Earth-84)" or something to that affect. Primarily, its for alternate reality versions of the same character. The naming convention allows them to just drop it as a single-line template on the main character disambig pages. See Henry McCoy for a good example of what I mean. Personally, I don't really like slapping the word "Minor" in front of some of the names, particularly characters who are unique to one reality, ala Kirk Quentin.--Brian Kurtz 18:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Ummm - I remembered the HyperFamily after reading the comic once decades ago, so -- he's not minor in my opinion ;-) I need to get out more. So, I'll just ignore the edit thing, thanks. --Roygbiv666 21:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * We were using Minor:, but we realized (ie. I was told) the idea (ie. my idea) needed revamping (ie. was dumb).
 * We no longer use the Minor: namespace. :) It turns out to be a pain in the butt.
 * --Jamie 03:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

We seem to be accumulating a decent size of Minor Characters. I think we should have a Gallery of them. What do you think? Would it serve a purpose? My thought is that it would tie all these otherwise freefloating images together in one place. Of course, I'm too lazy to check out this whole tagging images thing you kids are into these days.
 * --Roygbiv666 18:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... could probably have some use indeed, sir. For a few of them (and actually some major characters as well), I've kinda just been shunting into generic supporting cast pages, ala V for Vendetta Characters/Gallery and Hellblazer/Gallery. As we develop more and more minor characters however, we'll prolly have to come up with a Minor characters gallery. --Brian Kurtz 20:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Fan Artist Template
Hey Brian! I've copied the content from the Artist Gallery template and pasted it in the formerly-non-existent Fan Artist Gallery template and slightly edited the text. It may need a review (and/or protection). Thoughts/Objections? The Clever Guy ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 15:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey... looks pretty good. Truthfully, I'm surprised it hadn't been created already. I'll protect the template. --Brian Kurtz 15:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Waitaminutewaitaminute... the category doesn't seem to work. Look at my fan art page and there's something weird at the bottom. The category is noticed, but not used. Weird. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 15:52, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... I briefly made an adjustment, thinking that I could get everything to link correctly, but turned out to be wrong, so I rolled it back. Everything seems to look fine now though. We just need to create links for all those dastardly "red letter" pages. --Brian Kurtz 16:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's another template I just added (I copied this from MDB though) to DCDB that I want you to protect: Navigation. I'm about to do something like this but with the LSH (wow, what a surprise XD). Thanks in advance. The Clever Guy ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 13:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. I'm interested to see how this looks once it's all filled in. --Brian Kurtz 13:51, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

When the image template is used on fan art, you suggested that I would leave the Universe and Subject fields blank. That sorts the images under "Copy Edit". I've found a possible solution to that not-very-big problem by typing "CleverGuy's Imagination" under "Universe" and "CleverGuy's Drawings" under "Subject #1". These are the results:. Thoughts? By the way, what do you think about the LSH navboxes I've created here (newest Legion) and here (original Legion)? (Other than the fact that they aren't finished). The Clever Guy ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 21:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. Oh, yeah... those Legion nav boxes are shweet! I like the drop-down menu options, too. Pretty snazzy. --Brian Kurtz 12:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Image Template Bot
I just wanted to let you know I am running a bot to insert the new Image Template into every image on the DC Database...

(I finally got the bot working for the DCDP. It wouldn't work before, for some reason.)

The process might actually take 12 - 18 hours, so if you want to hold off adding the template in the meantime.

Let me know if you see any problems, or have any questions.

--Jamie 03:26, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, wow... that would awe-some! I've been trying to whittle down some of the uncategorized images anyway, but I say let R2-D2 do his thang. --Brian Kurtz 03:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

America's Best Comics
Seeing as how the Wildstorm line is on here, what's the status on it's imprint, America's Best Comics that Alan Moore was doing? Is that something we can/should be adding here? I don't know if it would have a Universe designation (Earth-234) or not though. We could call them "Filename (ABC)" for now, then replace names later with Jamie's bot.
 * --Roygbiv666 14:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Man, its like you're reading my mind. I was just thinking about this exact same quandry yesterday! Unless something's changed, I'm practicaly positive that the ABC line will never be a part of the DCU proper. Alan Moore has more or less divorced himself from DC Comics altogether. That being said however, I see no reason why we shouldn't include ABC info on the DB. Like you said, we've already got Wildstorm, not to mention some of the pre-DC publications like All-American, Quality, Charlton and so forth. Since ABC only has a handful of characters anyway, I can't see how it would hurt to have them here. (Plus I'm a big Tom Strong fan, and I would lurrrrve to play in that sandbox). I guess we should call the reality designation Earth-ABC for lack of a better term. You might also wanna pm Jamie, see what he thinks. Personally... I'm on board. :) --Brian Kurtz 14:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Dibs on Black Terror and American Crusader and Terra Obscura! :-) --Roygbiv666 16:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I just went ahead and did Black Terror, Earth-ABC, and Terra Obscura. It's reasonable, as Vertigo and Wildstrom are on here. Provided the naming conventions are followed properly, I don't see it as a problem.
 * --Roygbiv666 15:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * "Black Terror". Heh heh. Sounds like some kinda 70's exploitation film. I've got like the first twelve issues or so of Tom Strong, so I should be able to help out there. Don't really know anything about Terra Obscura, or Promethea or any of the others. --Brian Kurtz 15:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Duu-uu-uude (and I use that term with the utmost affection and ironic detachment) - are you kidding? Promethea was very cool, and a little primer on magick from Alan Moore. Terra Obscura was a cool idea, if a bit dull in execution. I recommend the collected trades. And, Alex Ross is working on a new series from Dynamite Entertainment called "Superpowers" that will feature (among others) the Black Terror. Cool. Oh, and some scans from Tom Strong 11/12 would be great, particularly the Captain Kirk-like image of a barechested Terror fighting the alien.
 * --Roygbiv666 16:43, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I tried the first issue of Promethea, but it just didn't work for me. Might of been my frame of mind at the time. Might try it again someday. I don't doubt the quality of it thought. Alan Moore can do no wrong. And yes... I am stoked about the Superpowers series coming out. (still thinks the Black Terror sounds like something from a 70s Richard Roundtree movie). lol --Brian Kurtz 17:53, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm ... Houston, we have a problem. I started putting in entries for some America's Best stuff, all of it Terra Obscura (TO) related. So files are all "Filename (Earth-ABC)" because TO is in the same universe as Earth-ABC, just in another solar system. So we could have files like "World War II (Earth-ABC)" for Earth-ABC -- then what is TO's called? Right. Should I maybe move the TO stuff to "Filename (Terra Obscura)"? Maybe? Lead me!! Oh God, the humanity. And so on.
 * --Roygbiv666 16:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * So if I'm understanding the entry correctly, many of the historical events on Terra Obscura are kinda sorta the same as Earth-ABC's, correct? Using your example, perhaps we could just have details concerning TO's WWII as a sub-section of World War II (Earth-ABC)? Or, if the event is significant enough to warrant its own page, then yeah... it should probably be called "World War II (Terra Obscura)". On the average though, I think we should try to keep as many pages as possible named PAGENAME (Earth-ABC). Sound good? Oh... and dibs on LoEG. :) --Brian Kurtz 16:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Kind of, but they are two different planet Earths existing in the same Galaxy of the same universe. For example, the WWII-era of Earth-ABC and TO are different - one has Tom Strong and comics about TO, TO has Black Terror/Tom Strange/etc. - different histories/timelines. Hmmm. And I imagine that LoEG is different altogether. And ABC has its own multiverse.
 * --Roygbiv666 18:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

On a "Superpowers" note, check out Newsarama: news. nice. --Roygbiv666 19:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Go nuts! --Roygbiv666 02:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Mister America (Tex Thompson)
For such a (relatively) minor character, this guy's links/names are a mess. Suggestions? I can tackle the links and stuff. I think we might as well go with "Tex Thompson (Earth-Two)" or "Tex Thompson (New Earth)" or whatever, with maybe a disambig page.

--Roygbiv666 16:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Tex Thompson (New Earth) would probably be best, methinks. This loser sure has had a lot of code names, eh?. lol --Brian Kurtz 16:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

DC Crossovers
Hey Brian, with the forums down, you get stuck with silly questions. I just added Superman vs The Amazing Spider-Man (cool). We should probably have a Category for inter-company crossovers. What do you think? Then sub-categories for each company.
 * --Roygbiv666 13:18, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, definitely! I thought someone created one a while back, but I can't seem to find it. It should probably be sub-catted under Category:Crossovers. --Brian Kurtz 13:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Done!
 * --Roygbiv666 13:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Connor Hawke/Green Arrow Gallary
Hi Brian it's Rod12 I want to thank you for putting in those Green Arrow pictures that I originally put in that was nice of you I tried to put them in the right spot originally but it didn't work. I have 2-questions how do you permanitly delete a picture am I able to do it or is it just the staff of the site that does it. By the finally question is that can we create a Connor Hawke/Green Arrow Gallary because we only have 1-picture of the 2nd Green Arrow and plus we have a gallary for Red Arrow I just thought we should have one for Connor Hawke. I was wondering how we could do it or you can just tell me what ever you want to do. Thanks again for putting back my Green Arrow pictures.

from Rod12


 * Hey, Rod. No problem on the GA pics. If you ever find an image that you feel should be deleted, you can tag it with Category:To Be Deleted. You might also want to include a notation in the summary section or talk page indicating why you feel it should be deleted. An administrator will then review and delete the image. As for Connor Hawke... Ideally all major characters will receive their own gallery page, but it's a long process, and we've only scratched the surface. I'll put together a quick gallery page, then you can populate it with as many images as you like. Cheers! --Brian Kurtz 18:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * There we go. Enjoy! --Brian Kurtz 18:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Batman/Bruce Wayne and Ion
HI Brian its Rod again thanks for the Connor Hawke gallary that was nice of you. But I just came on the website and went to my watchlist and I saw someone remove everything from Batman/Bruce Wayne and Ion it looks like he almost delete all the information that was ever put one the bio page of each character. I thought you should know this it looks like a problem that needs to be fixed and handled and restored back to normal or simply improved and made even better then before. I just thought you should know about this problem because it looks like this will be a big issue. Well thanks again for the Connor Hawke gallary. Hope the Batman/Bruce Wayne and Ion character bio pages will be fixed.

from Rod12

Editing Problem with my User Page
Hi Brian its Rod I'm having trouble editing my User Page and I was wondering if you can help me or even if you could fix it yourself for me and just tell me how you did it because I've been struggling how solve the problem if you can do that it would be great. The Problem is when I click on the links for Martian Manhunter, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and Superman Returns I don't go directly to there page I was wondering if you could fix it so it would go directly to there page. Also I was wondering if we could create a movie page for the movie V for Vendetta which is a DC Comics Vertigo movie. If you could help me solve this problem I would be extremly happy with your help.

From Rod12


 * Aaaah... I see. Problem fixed. So far, a V for Vendetta movie page has yet to be created. If you feel up to it, feel free to start a page. It should be titled "V for Vendetta (Movie)". If not, I might start putting together a page at some future date. It's an awesome flick. --Brian Kurtz 01:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Up, up and away!
I don't know what you guys are doing (actually I do), but keep doing it!

The DC Database is making a run to catch the Marvel Database!

Amazing work! Thousands of people are enjoying the fruits of your labour every day.

--Jamie 01:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * (bows down in Waynesworldian supplication) WE'RE NOT WORTHY! WE'RE NOT WORTHY!


 * Thanks, man! :) --Brian Kurtz 01:56, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Various naming conventions / appearance categories
If this would be Wikipedia, I'd give you The Working Man's Barnstar for all cast value updates on the comic articles (among other things). I just have some minor questions: I'd like to know what you're thinking. You're doing great! The Clever Guy ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 14:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "Princess Diana (New Earth)"? Naming Conventions says: "If real name is given: No degrees or titles." Maybe "Diana Prince (New Earth)" or "Diana of Themyscira (New Earth)"?
 * "James Jesse (New Earth)"? Shouldn't it be "Giovanni Guiseppi (New Earth)"?
 * And finally, shouldn't the comics from after the Crisis on Infinite Earths to September of 2003 be marked with "Kal-El (Post-Crisis)" if Superman makes an appearance?


 * Heh, thanks. Barnstars are cool.


 * On Wonder Woman: Princess Diana is the only name I could come up with that is common to all forms. Diana Prince has always been an alias, plus there actually was an Earth-Two Diana Prince, whom Wonder Woman took her name from. I'm not sure about the Themyscira thing. Isn't that strictly a New Earth convention? I think in the pre-crisis stuff they always called it Paradise Island, didn't they?


 * On Trickster: In short, I goofed. It wasn't till I was about 80% done with him that I realized that his real name was Giovanni Guiseppi. I just don't have the patience to go back and change him again.


 * On Superman: Truth to tell, this whole Birthright nonsense makes me want to strangle something, small, cute and fluffy. What a nightmare. I don't plan on moving any of the Superman pages (yet), but there's something unsettling about having two different pages for what is essentially the same character from (more or less) the same reality. Heck, I'm still trying to figure out how to handle Earth-One Superman and Superboy. I'd like to keep Superboy as a separate entry since he has a pretty distinguished history from his adult self, but I'm not sure how or if his page should be moved.


 * --Brian Kurtz 14:43, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * On this note, I see the Princess Diana (TV Version) entry. Uh, what happens with someone like Superman who's been played by George Reeves, Dean Cain, that Smallville guy? Do we need an additional naming convention for these type of entries?
 * --Roygbiv666 14:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and as if it need be said - damn, but Lynda Carter was hot. And so on. --Roygbiv666 14:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Mmmm... Lynda. Thoughts of Lynda got me through many a cold and lonely night. Hell, they still do.


 * The TV shows are going to be a bit tricky, but I think (for now), the best naming convention would be "Character (TV Version)" or "Character (Movie Version)" for characters from a single live-action series or film. For animated versions, we should use "Character (DCAU)". (This may end up creating a lot of problems in the future, as there have been several animated versions of Batman, Superman etc. Not even prepared to think about how to handle all of that right now). If the first formula is not feasible, then I guess we should just default to "Character (Name of Series)" ala Clark Kent (Smallville). Fortunately, I think a lot of these alternate media characters can be relegated to minor character templates, with exceptions for series title characters such as WW. --Brian Kurtz 14:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't Lex Luthor (New Earth) be "Alexander Luthor (New Earth)", as "Alexander" is the current Lex' real name? The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 17:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not really sure. Is Alexander his actual birth name, or is his birth name just Lex? With all of these continuity reboots, its hard to keep track. --Brian Kurtz 17:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Both Lex Luthor (New Earth) and Lex' Wikipedia entry list "Alexander Joseph 'Lex' Luthor" as real name. Earth-One Lex' real name was just "Lex", and Earth-Two Luthor was "Alexei". Also the Smallville Lex is called "Alexander", after Alexander the Great. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 18:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. Yeah, I guess we're gonna have to switch it to Alexander Luthor (New Earth). --Brian Kurtz 18:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Some Sites
I assume you have seen this site, have you have you ever seen this one?

(It is located 'inside' this other site.)

It looks like some work went into it... might be worth contacting that gentleman and discussing some sort of arrangement. :)

I am surprised I haven't seen this site before now...

Cheers,

--Jamie 17:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ahh yes, the DCU Guide. I know it well. Good resource for character appearances. Not familiar with the other one. Have to check it out. Thanks for the tip! --Brian Kurtz 17:33, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The Chronology part would be a good thing to start here too. Provided we can do timelines.
 * --Roygbiv666 17:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Superman (New Earth)
Hi Brian it Rod I want to thank you for fixing my User Page that was annoying problem that was bothering me that need to be fixed. But when I came on the site today I notice that alot of information was edited and taken out of Superman (New Earth) I was wondering if that was right to take out all that information on that page. I just thought you should about it because I don't think we want some type of editing problem like Batman and Ion. Well thanks again for fixing my User Page.

from Rod12

Hey, No problem Rod. I'll check out that Superman page. We're in the process of stabilizing our character naming convention, so some pages are going to end up being shifted around a bit. --Brian Kurtz 17:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply
Hi, this is Black Dragon07. Thanks for the credit on buffing up the Wildstorm content. I visit this site often and one day I noticed that there were very few pages on any Wildstorm series and its characters. So I have decided to creating and any any article referring to the Wildstorm universe. I have also recently created a article on the Elite, DC's version of Wildstorm's The Authority, and an article on the Extremists and the JL-Axis. I will continue to create or edit any incomplete articles with the information I have.

Sounds great. Look forward to seeing what ya got! --Brian Kurtz 16:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Comic Book Web Site
Hi Brian its Rod I've found this Comic Book web site like the one here called ComicVine I was wondering if you heard of it its a good database website if you haven't heard of it check it out its very good. Just wanted to give you a source of information that you could use to constantly help and update this site. Its a good site for pictures.

from Rod12


 * If I may interject, I am very familiar with ComicVine.com.
 * They started in late 2006 and have done really well at building a community around their database.
 * I definitely like some of the things they are doing, but believe we are doing an overall better job.
 * It will be interesting to see how they develop and if there are any possibilities for our two projects to collaborate in the future.
 * --Jamie 15:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've heard of ComicVine, but I've never really taken the time to check them out. --Brian Kurtz 16:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Jamie I agree with your point on the ComicVine.com website that I was talking about. We do an overall better job here at are site then they do because we get the information and the facts better then they do. There site is trying to make everything look good with style instead of consintrating on the facts and information which is more important to making a good database website like ours.

from Rod12 12:07 11/6/07

Image Change
D'oh! I uploaded this file, but I named it incorrectly. There doesn't seem to be a "Move" option. Should I delete it and reload it. It should be Thrilling Comics Vol 1 20, not 19.
 * --Roygbiv666 23:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You could if you're worried about it being named correctly. If not, we could always name the correct image file "Trilling Comics v.1 19" in order to distinguish. --Brian Kurtz 00:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

DC Logos/Gallery
Brian - Any idea how to classify this?
 * --Roygbiv666 18:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... I guess just "Logo Gallery". --Brian Kurtz 18:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
Brian - you're a machine! Not to be a prick, but shouldn't the character names be like "Mina Murray (Earth-ABC)" or "Mina Murray (Earth-LXG)" or something? I'm sure that a few have appeared in the DC Universe at some point (Sherlock Holmes, Dracula, etc.) I'm not sure if all of America's Best was supposed to be on the same Earth or not. If you use "PAGENAME (Earth-LXG)" for now and we want to change them later, it means short work for a renaming 'bot.
 * --Roygbiv666 21:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops, just saw the redirects. D'oh!
 * --Roygbiv666 21:51, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh. No problem. I was thinking about the whole "reality" question, and to be honest, I'm really not sure. Like you said, for now I guess we should just keep it "Earth-ABC", and if we need to move stuff later, we can just let a 'bot do the leg work. I have no idea if LoEG is supposed to be part of the same continuity as everything else. If they are, then I'm surprised that Tom Strong's pop wasn't part of the team. That would've been wild. --Brian Kurtz 23:37, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I had created an America's Best Comics category - should we use that or your "ABC Titles"?
 * --Roygbiv666 04:13, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, cool. I didn't see that category before. I'll add the League issues to it. I like the idea of having all of the ABC stuff under one roof. --Brian Kurtz 13:31, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * If you/we decide to change the PAGENEMEs from "Earth-ABC" to something else, it might be a good idea to create a Category for all of the LoEG related entries (people, places, things) to keep them all together. Even a 'bot needs a hint as to what articles to rename. Maybe   would help. That way, if we find out it should really be "Earth-Bond" or something, we can tell a 'bot to rename any page under the LoEG category from "Earth-ABC" to "Earth-Bond" or whatever. I kind of think they should all be Earth-LoEG anyway, but I don't imagine it'll be too big a problem.


 * Of course, there was a Multiverse within the ABC comics, too... ;-)
 * --Roygbiv666 14:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, good thinking. I'll get on that before there are too many LoEG articles out there. --Brian Kurtz 14:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Powers
Hey Brian Check out the discussion here. I created a fabulous example at Roygbiv666/TestGuy using the incredible useful power Template:Aerosol Cheese.
 * --Roygbiv666 16:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

This looks intriguing. Interested to see how this could develop. I hope there is a way that these auto-insertions could be customized (particularly for gender, as you said in the thread). I'm a mental pygmy when it comes to coding, so I'd be about as useful as MODOK running a marathon. In the meantime, I think every character on both databases should be given the power of Aerosol Cheese. 'cuz cheese is like... cool and stuff. --Brian Kurtz 03:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Batman (Bruce Wayne)/Batman (New Earth)/Bruce Wayne (New Earth)
Hey Brian. Have a look at the numbers of moves and redirects on the above pages. Aren't we supposed to get the naming conventions stabilized (which I think they have been), then have one of Jamie's 'bots handle all the changes? "I'm telling", but seriously ... WTF? --Roygbiv666 01:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * GAAAH! I just shot Salubri a message, so hopefully that'll clear everything up. Admittedly, its pretty easy to "miss" the changes in naming convention policy what with the forums being down as often as they are. Though, as the self-professed reigning king of "edit first, ask questions later", I suppose I can't criticize too harshly. Haw! --Brian Kurtz 01:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe it should have been "WTH". I think the naming conventiosn stuff has pretty much been finalized - is Jamie going to set up a bot on the DCDP as on the Marvel one to take care of these changes? I'll copy this over to his page.
 * --Roygbiv666 13:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Pshaw. "WTF" is one of my favorite acronyms. I'm amazed at how often I find myself using it. :p   --Brian Kurtz 17:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Uh oh!
A bit of a kafuffle over at Power Girl...

Looks like it is getting personal. :(

Could you intercede?

--Jamie 04:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Nope not personal at all. Just a little heated as when fans debate and request proof of their arguments.  Producing facts USUALLY ends a debate.  That was why I posted on his page hoping to take the discussion OFF the page itself.  Seems he does NOT use his home page at all.
 * -Kal_l_fan 02:39 29 Nov 2007


 * I'll try to help out, but to be honest, I'm having trouble making heads or tails of that discussion. I have faith in our editors though. I'm sure we can all iron everything out. --Brian Kurtz 13:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay I'll make it simple. DC has powered down most of the Superman heroes since Byrne.  A lot of fans feel that this is not right for the characters (as they remember either from the Silver Age era -- or their own desires and are changing the pages to reflect thier expectations rather than the printed pages as they currently stand.  When asked to show their reference for such changes they can't show such for DC writers again have either changed the character from what the fans feel is reflective of the fans' desire or never happened at all to the character in the printed page.


 * I'm cringing on the Supergirl page, but since we went through all the drama with the Power Girl page with some people obviously writing their PHD these on why they character SHOULD reflect what they want I'm leaving it alone though as a REFERENCE page the information on the character's powers as the character is now is all wrong right now.

-Kal_l_fan 01:27 02 Dec 2007

Heroes (NBC)
Hi... I'm sure you know the Heroes TV serie from NBC... DC bought public rights of Heroes Novels from NBC.. You can see here.. So.. Can we create Heroes pages? --Akadirgun 10:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Why bother - there' an entire wiki site devoted to it. Maybe the novels/books could/should go there. .

--Roygbiv666 13:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Saw the wiki is dedicated to the movie, but if dc bought the rights we could have some character pages here too. :) Copycat989 14:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

So, it means i can add some Heroes Novel pages.. :) --Akadirgun 15:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * (Shifts uncomfortably in chair). I'm really not sure. While we have certainly created pages for other venues such as ABC comics, WildStorm and several television programs, I also feel that there comes a point when we have to draw a line somewhere. Do we make a movie page for LXG? Do we create articles for Mad Magazine? Stuff like that. I suppose the topical question becomes... will people come to this database to find information about characters from Heroes? If we do decide to include Heroes articles (and mind you, that's a pretty ginormous "if"), I think we should only include information presented in the Webcomic/Graphic Novel(s). At least that way it remains DC-specific. In a case like this, I suppose we should put it to a vote; preferably on the forums. I'll defer to whatever decision Jamie and Roy weigh in on. --Brian Kurtz 15:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd like Heroes pages. I don't think that the "There is already a wiki devoted to it"-reasoning may necessarily hold (actually, there's two wikis devoted to Heroes). There is a Wiki for the Legion of Super-Heroes, but that does not prevent us from having articles about LSH characters and issues, for instance. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 15:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * True, but aren't the comics tied-in to the shows? Personally, I think the books should be on the wikis devoted to the show. Of course, I think we don't need DCAU or Smallville stuff either, what do I know? :-) I guess it should go on the forums, but I don't think we should include them.
 * --Roygbiv666 16:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * A Legion wiki! Cool! I'll have to add that to my favorites. --Brian Kurtz 16:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't register to the forum. There is a CGI Error. So, i can't add a poll for Heroes Novels. --Akadirgun 18:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You might want to ask the site admin Jamie about that. He could probably help you with forum bugs and registration. --Brian Kurtz 16:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I just added a poll for you on the forums. Hopefully, you'll be able to register and participate. The poll can be found here. --Brian Kurtz 17:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks.. I hope so.. --Akadirgun 18:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Comics naming conventions
Hey brian - should we be following this in naming comics? I haven't been doing that with the Terra Obscura entries (which everyone should be reading - ha!) ... --Roygbiv666 22:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, Lord I hope not. I haven't been doing it either, and to be honest, I really don't see any value to it. Okay... I admit, after already moving several hundred comics pages, I really don't want to see them moved again. I say, we should just keep going as we have been. I'm sure Jamie won't mind. It'll be our little secret. hee hee hee. --Brian Kurtz 00:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but that's what 'bots are for - mindless busy work. Anything using the Comic Template or ... some other criteria ... can be applied and a bot can do it. I agree - let's just ignore it and hope it goes away.. tee hee. --Roygbiv666 04:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Speaking of naming conventions...have you seen my lates post here? (I noticed you moved the Wonder Woman page...) The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 20:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Just checked it out. I am sooooo bad when it comes to referring back to earlier conversation topics. :( I had forgotten that we hadn't quite ironed out the whole Wonder Woman thing. Hadn't considered that she might be a queen one day. On further consideration, I think you're right... Diana of Themyscira is probably the most stable page name for this character. Not sure about E-1 and E-2 versions though. Did they use the name Themyscira pre-crisis? I'm almost certain that it is strictly a post-crisis convention. --Brian Kurtz 21:03, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'm too pretty sure Themyscira is a post-Crisis convention, but the E-1 and E-2 could be under "Diana Trevor" as they're both married to Steve Trevor. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 05:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Jonathan Stewart?! See this page please. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 14:35, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Ahhh... crap. Okey-dokey. I'll go and fix my mess. Blast! --Brian Kurtz 14:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I caused any trouble for you. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 15:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Nope. No trouble at all. Glad to have ya keeping me in line. :) -Brian Kurtz 15:21, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

You may want to see this thread again...or you may not. Be careful. It may cause you to have a "BLAMMO!!!!!" feeling. Oh, and when you're already active, you may check this too about Elseworlds and 52 multiverse... or you may not. Any possible page move should be adressed to Jamie's bot for everyones sanity's sake. The Clever Guy ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 20:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Head explodes.
 * Picks up stray pieces of grey matter
 * Puts them back in head.
 * Wash. Rinse. Repeat.


 * I added some short comments on the forum pages. --Brian Kurtz 21:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I had an idea that I think is pretty good. Check the thread again and you'll see. The Clever Guy  Talk 16:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, I really like that idea! I say run with it! --Brian Kurtz 16:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * So, what do you think the template should be called? And, I added a post to the forums. The Clever Guy  Talk 17:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I just replied here. Oh, I'm going to archive my talk page in a few moments, because its getting reaaaaally long and unwieldy. --Brian Kurtz 17:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Featured Article
Can you pick a new one, I'm tired of the Luthor one...any ideas?
 * --Roygbiv666 16:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I suggest Legion of Super-Heroes (New Earth)...I've worked pretty hard with it to recieve some kind of *Featured Article Status*. It may need some review though. I'm not a native english-speaker (or writer), y'know. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 17:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Replacing uploaded images
As an admin, I suppose you have rights to upload a new version of an image, so, could you replace this low-resolution image, with this? (If the link does not work, try this. I think you can find it there.) Thanks in advance. The Clever Guy ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 18:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Got it. --Brian Kurtz 17:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 18:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, and this one is hardly visible... ...this one is better... ...Thanks in advance again. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 12:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is a better pic. I just replaced it. --Brian Kurtz 13:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Great! The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 13:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

The Flash John Fox Picture Gallary
Hi Brian I was wondering if we could have a gallary for The Flash John Fox I know he has only been appeared in the comics briefly but I think he deserves a gallary and if you could creat a gallary that would be great and I would be willing to find the pictures of The Flash John Fox.

from Rod12


 * No prob. Here ya go. --Brian Kurtz 21:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

One Question on The Green Lantern Corps Page, another idea for a gallery, and can we create a page for the movie V for Vendetta
Brian thanks for creating The Flash John Fox image gallery page and thanks for putting the the Green Lantern Corps images that I added into the right spot I was not sure were to put them so I just added them on to the rest of the images list on the Green Lantern Corps gallery. Well thanks again for your help.

1. With The Green Lantern Corps page can we put a image there of one of team photos that I added because I think that the page needs a Image of the Green Lantern Corps

2. I was wondering if we could have a gallery for the Batman Family because I found some pictures for the gallery and there very good.

3. With the V for Vendetta movie page if you could create the page that would be great I'll add in the rest because I have the the information to input onto the page.

From Rod12


 * Hey Rod, I added one of your pics to the Green Lantern Corps page. We already have a V for Vendetta Characters/Gallery page, so you can probably populate that area with some movie pics. I'll start putting together a gallery page for the Batman Family.


 * Oh... if you could do me a favor. When you upload images, can you be sure to tag them with the appropriate categories in the summary field? You can either do so from the dropdown menu on the upload screen or you can just copy/paste the following (any that apply):


 * This will certify that all of our images are categorized and used under "fair use" laws. Thanks, man! --Brian Kurtz 13:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

V for Vendetta Movie page
Hi Brian sorry I ment can we have a V for Vendetta Movie page like what we do with the other DC Comics Movies I didn't mean a gallery. If we create this movie page I could fill the page with the information. Thanks for the tip when uploading images thats a good thing to know I'll try it out when I upload some Batman Family images when the gallery is created. Thanks for puting in that image on the Green Lantern Corps page I kept trying to do that it never worked for me. Thanks again for your help.

from Rod12


 * Alrighty, I've got the Batman Family/Gallery page set up, with three images already in there to start you off. I also cobbled together a quick V for Vendetta (Movie) page. There's very little information in there so far, so have at it. Enjoy! --Brian Kurtz 19:15, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Gallery template
Unless I'm interrupting you, you could take a look at this page. I have created a new and better version of the "old" gallery template. These two pages are currently using it. Thanks, The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 15:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Just so I'm understanding it correctly, it looks like the main difference is that you have the gallery images centered. Is that correct? If so, that's an easy modification to the standard gallery template. --Brian Kurtz 15:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * There are more differences than that. It was not that easy, mind you. In my version, there is usually no need to type anything in the "SeeAlso" field as every related page (regarding images and its main article) is automatically filled in by the template logic (if the "GalleryType" field is defined as "Cover Art Gallery", it even lists every volume of the title!). There is also a help link (y'know, the little question mark in the corner). Those are the most obvious differences. If you want to, you could explore the differences yourself by copying and pasting the code from my version to the current template, and then just click "Show Changes". I though think most of the functions are listed here. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 16:33, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, that's pretty neat. Is there a way to auto-include appearances and quotes pages in the "See Also" field as well? I see you've already got fan art and image categories auto-generated (I'm speaking specifically of character galleries, of course). If you haven't already, you might also want to show your template to Jamie. He might want to use it on the MDP. --Brian Kurtz 19:33, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sure appearances and quotes pages would be possible links, but I'm not as sure if they're really appropriate to be linked from galleries (I've never seen links to galleries from quotes or appearances pages for instance). The fan-art galleries and image categories are linked to because they're, y'know, other image sections. (See the connection?)
 * I have left two messages to Jamie about this gallery template, but he doesn't seem to respond. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 21:54, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Ya probably have a better chance of reaching him at MDP. He pops up over there more often than he does here. Or, he might be busy what with the holiday season and all. --Brian Kurtz 00:38, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I did leave the notes at him on MDP... :( The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 09:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that!
 * I swear I am not ignoring you, I just haven't sat down and looked at it for a while.
 * I actually had this crazy idea last night for galleries which I might implement soon. :)
 * I don't want to do anything just yet as Wikia is upgrading us from 1.10 to 1.12 soon and also we are getting new skins. (Even cooler than the one we have now!)
 * Once those upgrades are complete, we can revisit the galleries (which are very important) and make some changes.
 * If you think it is urgent please let me know, otherwise it will get my attention shortly.
 * Merry Christmas all!
 * --Jamie 19:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Batman Wiki
Hi Brian I recently found a Batman Wiki that I don't know if you knew about that is in bad need of help improving the site I was was wondering if you wanted to help me improve it and make it better as you have done with the DC Database here. The site is up for adoption and I took the sign off and there is and already nice site in a Superman wiki I was wondering if we can make this one just as good or even better. If your not interested thats ok but I just thought of you when I found this site because you would be the best chose to help me fix it just check it out and give your thoughts on how when can inprove it or I myself can start improving it if your unable to help. This site is a good site it just need a DC Database Project touch to it and I guess we can use some of the Batman material here and any other areas like the movies we can just improve on. Well Happy Holidays.

from Rod12

Batmobile Gallery
Hi Brian its Rod again I was wondering if we could have a gallery for the Batmobile since we have one for the Batcycle because I have a few batmobile pictures which I can find and put them in if we have a gallery. I want to thank for the page on the Batcycle it looks great and I'm happy you added the pictures of the Batpod from The Dark Knight movie by the way have you seen the latest trailer for the movie it looks great the Heath Ledger's portral of the Joker looks great it looks like he pulled it out right from the comics itself well thanks again. Have a Happy New Year.

from Rod12


 * Hey, no prob, Rod. Here ya go. Frankly, I'm kinda surprised that a gallery page wasn't created for this already. And yeah... Dark Knight looks shweeeeet. Have a great holiday. --Brian Kurtz 03:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

New Batmobile Page
Hi Brian its Rod again thanks for the Batmobile gallery it looks great now I recently changed the Batmobile page to look more like the Batcycle page I changed templates I went from vehicle to item I thought it was better suited for the batmobile page I was wondering if you could look it over and tell me if I did it right because this is my first major edit and I was wondering if I did ok. Thanks again.

From Rod12

Ideas for new pages and Batman Wiki website message
Hi Brian I was wondering if you think it would be a good idea to creat a page for the bat-signal, the batsuit, and the batarang. I know its kind of hard to find alot of information and history on those 3-topics but I think I can find some and we sure can alot of pictures with references from the comics, movies, and TV shows. Also I was wondering if you got a chance to read the message I left you on the topic of the Batman Wiki Website and by the way nice job on the changes for the Trick Arrow page and it was a great idea to give its own gallery nice job. Well thats about it.

from Rod12


 * Hey Rod! Sorry I didn't get back to you about the other Batman wiki. To be honest, I spend so much of my free time on this one, if I started working on another, I think my head would explode. Currently, we have pages for the Bat-Signal and Batarang, though as you can see, they are rather sparse. The current item template that we use auto-creates an option for gallery pages, so those are certainly encouraged. I've toyed with the idea of creating a Batsuit page, though I'm not sure how much info we can fill it up with. If you're up to the challenge, feel free to create the page. Oh, thanks for the kind words about the Trick Arrows page - though all I really did was add a graphic. See ya 'round. --Brian Kurtz 20:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Event Template
Hi Brian. I saw somewhere an Event Template that I think you did. Am I imagining it? Is that for use, or are you testing it?
 * Roygbiv666 01:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yup. It's all ready to go. It's at DC Database:Event Template. I think its been working out pretty well so far. Here's a sample of it in use. --Brian Kurtz 13:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we were discussing this on the forums - Jamie suggested holding off on implementing anything new for Events (I think). I'd like to add some stuff to the template - I'll try to post something next couple days and send you a link. I like the Template:Millennium you made (not keen on the colors ;-)), that would be sweet to incorporate in the Event Template.
 * Roygbiv666 16:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The Millennium template was made kinda slap-dash. Honestly, I just copied the format from one of CleverGuy's templates. Blame him. lol. --Brian Kurtz 16:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm thinking something along these lines, only with easier-on-the-eyes colors. What do you think? Make sure to expand all of the stuff. --Roygbiv666 16:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, sweet! I like the collapsable nav thingie. Yeah, I agree. The color schemes could use some work. --Brian Kurtz 17:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I've updated the colors. Do you know if there's a way to "unhide all" in that thing? Maybe the Clever Guy? Roygbiv666 17:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have no idea. CleverGuy would definitely be the one to ask about that, Roy. --Brian Kurtz 17:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll bug him. --Roygbiv666 17:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess that if such things were possible, they'd appear on Wikipedia somewhere. Though you can always ask Jamie.
 * Speaking of templates and colors, I wonder if there's some way to integrate the Template:GL Character Template in the character template, or it would be necessary to create templates in all colors with the upcoming color/emotion-based corps (Don't forget to take quiz! I became a Blue Lantern...). Funny thing is, Jamie and Peteparker were already talking about a similar idea to have the infobox colored depending on the alignment. Maybe something to bring to the forums (if it is not there already).
 * The Clever Guy ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 18:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I seem to recall a forum thread from ages ago discussing the GL color scheme thing. I know Jamie thought about adding a line of code into the regular character template that would allow us to change the background color, but I don't think it ever came to pass. That's something else we'll have to bug him about! Mwaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaa haaaa! --Brian Kurtz 18:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe the template doesn't need many other colors than the GL spectrum, as you don't necessarily are without a characteristic emotion/drive just because you aren't in a corps. (Superman for instance, is a symbol of hope, which is blue; and Batman inspires fear, as seen when a Sinestro Corps ring tried to recruit him.) Though colors for general "good", "neutral" and "bad" may be needed. The Clever Guy  ( Talk  &bull;  Contribs  &bull;  E-Mail ) 19:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Anybody think this idea might be useful?
 * --Roygbiv666 14:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Known Bot Changes
Hi Mr. Kurtz,

Clever Guy informed me this morning that when I sent my bot through to fix the cast variables in comic pages, it mistakenly reverted some of the pre-emptive changes you had made back to the current names of certain pages. The way the bot works is that it goes to each page listed in the cast section, and if it's a redirect, it changes the name to the page it is redirecting to. For the pages that haven't been moved to their correct name yet, but have the correct name linking to the current page. (Hope that makes sense). Anyway, I wanted to apologize for sending a bot out there to change things without really knowing the situation over here. That being said, I've offered two solutions to Clever Guy, and he seemed to prefer the latter, but I'd like to throw them out your way as well, and see what you think.


 * 1) I can go back through about 2000 pages that the bot 'fixed' the cast variables and undo the things he did, which would probably take a long time since I don't know how to do it with the bot. I may be able to write a bot to undo a specific amount of edits, but considering it hasn't been done before, I'm not 100% sure it can be written.
 * 2) I can handle any pages that get tagged with the {{Move| through the bot. The program is set up to move all of the / pages (ie Gallery, Appearances, and even the Category:/Appearances pages), and it goes through all of the pages listed in the Category:/Appearances page and changes the cast variables on each to be correct for the new move. So say the Elongated Man gets tagged to be moved to "Ralph Dibny (New Earth)", every single place where Elongated Man now exists in a cast variable would be changed to Ralph Dibney (New Earth).

I'll do whatever you guys think is best. PS, Is there a reason for having all the pages that would be moved to not be moved yet? I'm specifically talking about pages like Carol Ferris, where all of her / pages are already moved, but her main page isn't. Is there a reason for it? PeteparkerBot 20:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, Mister Bot. I wouldn't worry about undoing some of the pre-emptive changes. I think I fixed most of them. As for moving the other character pages, I wanted to move all of the appearances, galleries, quotes and fan art pages first before moving the parent articles, that way we could avoid creating duplicate articles. All of the existing gallery/quotes/appearance etc. pages have now been moved to their permanent namespace, so now all of the parent articles can be moved at editor's discretion. Thanks! --Brian Kurtz 16:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Cosmic Treadmill
Is this an Item or a Vehicle. Oh, the vexation!!! --Roygbiv666 17:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hrrrm. Categorically, I guess it could count as both. If you're wondering about which template should be used, I would probably go with the item template. Indeed, quite vexing. :p --Brian Kurtz 17:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Image uploading and watchlist page setting
Hi Brian I was wondering why the settings on the watchlist page is different and why it changed and I also was wondering why the settings on the Image uploading page was different to and I also had trouble trying to upload images using the upload page. I was wondering if this is a problem happing with the website or is a new setting the web site is trying out. I've notice alot of new settings on the website recently did someone change them I hope you guys go back to the old settings they were better and easier to use. I hope you guys either fix them or go back to the old setting. Thanks again for all your help.

from Rod12


 * Actually Rod, we didn't really have anything to do with it. I think its a Wikia thing. I've noticed it on other Wikias as well. Image uploading is still a little glitchy. Hopefully they'll work the bugs out of that soon. --Brian Kurtz 23:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Utility Belt Page
Hi Brian I was wondering if you could fix the Utility Belt page I edited I've been having trouble editing it the page don't look how I want it to. I was wondering if you can fix it and possible make it look like the Batsuit page I created. But probably one you see the Utility Belt page you will know what needs fixing and you will no what I'm talking about that I've been having problems with. Thanks again for all your help and if you could send me a message when you know the image uploading page and watchlist page is all fixed mainly the site in general because I've notice they still haven't fixed it which is annoying.

from Rod12

Power Ring/Appearances
Dude, that's a circular reference... --Roygbiv666 18:33, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * GAH! All fixed now. :p  --Brian Kurtz 18:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

New Smallville Justice League photo
Hi Brian I found this new New Smallville Justice League photo but the only problem with it is there is very small kryptionsite logo on the page I was wondering what you think of it whether to add it or try to find a another one without the logo. Thanks again for fixing the Utility Belt page it looks much better then I had it why do you think the page had 2 notes, history, and links but blank I was wondering why the page was like that it looked weird when I was trying to edit it. Let me know if the picture doesn't appear I just send you the link instead. Thanks alot again you are the best at your job here.

from Rod12

New Smallville Justice League photo
Hi Brian I found this new New Smallville Justice League photo but the only problem with it is there is very small kryptionsite logo on the page I was wondering what you think of it whether to add it or try to find a another one without the logo. Thanks again for fixing the Utility Belt page it looks much better then I had it why do you think the page had 2 notes, history, and links but blank I was wondering why the page was like that it looked weird when I was trying to edit it. Let me know if the picture doesn't appear I just send you the link instead. Thanks alot again you are the best at your job here.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://supermanfanart.com/smallville/images/smallville_justice_league_small.jpg&imgrefurl=http://supermanfanart.com/smallville.htm&h=188&w=250&sz=22&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=t-ECEwejRE73HM:&tbnh=83&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsmallville%2BJustice%2BLeague%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

from Rod12


 * Hey, thanks for the compliments! Sorry, but the link you provided doesn't seem to be working for me. It might be best to try to find a similar image without the Kryptonsite logo. --Brian Kurtz 13:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok I'll try and work on finding another image.

from Rod12

Cross password for DC & Marvel database
Want to add my congratulations for the new skin "Monaco" as it seems to be well designed and corrects the major flaws I saw in the previous structure on the right sided toolbar

-- and found out that I would have to create a seperate password and account for the Marvel database.

Is there any plans in formation to allow the one account and password to be carried over onto both? If not, is there any considerations to have it done so in the future? Kal_l_fan 21:20, 7 March 2008


 * Hmmm. Honestly, I haven't even checked out the Monaco skin yet. I'll have to get back to you on that, Kal. Though Jamie or Peteparker will probably be able to answer your password questions more efficiently than I. --Brian Kurtz 20:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Powerman
Do you have any images of this minor character from World's Finest 94 -- Powerman? I couldn't find anything useful online, thought you might have an idea or scan. I can't even figure out how I ever read about him, cause I sure don't have WF94, or the reprint. I think it might have been one of those DC Digests from the 1970s. --Roygbiv666 01:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't have any on hand, Roy. A pic might be found in the Greatest Team-Ups tpb. I'll have to scrounge around and see if I can find it. --Brian Kurtz 13:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Blast. I just thumbed through Greatest Team-Ups, but I turned up bupkis. I have no idea where to find a picture of Supes as Powerman. Sorry. --Brian Kurtz 00:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Found some! --Roygbiv666 22:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * SWEET! --Brian Kurtz 23:33, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Comics naming conventions
Umm ... you know all these "Comics A", "Comics B" lists. Was there some reason we didn't just make the comic templates autocategorize each volume into "Category:Comics A", "Category:Comics B", etc.? That way the lists would make themselves. --Roygbiv666 22:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The reason is quite simple m'boy!   Nobody thought of it until now.    Definitely food for thought though. Wonder how we can monkey with the template to auto-include. --Brian Kurtz 23:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sure someone can do that, but it ain't me. I need to get, like, Wiki coding for Dummies or something.--Roygbiv666 23:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Duh - the categories would list everything as "Comics:Bat Lash Volume 1" - they'd all have "Comics:" at the front for each letter... somethign something. Roygbiv666 23:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Smallville Character Hero pages
Hi Brian it Rod I was wondering if you think its a good idea to create Smallville Character Hero pages of Green Arrow Oliver Queen, Bart Allen Impulse, Cyborg Victor Stone, Aquaman Orin Arthur Curry Smallville and Mercy Reef TV Show, Martain Manhunter, and Black Canary. I thought of this idea since we have Smallville Character Hero pages for Clark Kent and Kara Kent and as for those two pages I would update them to. I was wondering what your thoughts on the idea I had and any ideas you think I should add to the pages. Thanks again for all your help any updates or news on the image uploading problem.

From Rod12


 * Hey, Rod. I'll start putting together some of those Aquaman, Bart Allen, Ollie Queen pages. Been meaning to get around to that anyway. Once I get them started, I'll post the links here. We have a Mercy Reef page here. --Brian Kurtz 13:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Frank Miller's Dark Knight Universe
The Wikipedia page for All Star Batman and Robin says that Frank Miller's Dark Knight Universe (With All Star Batman, Dark Knight Returns, and The Dark Knight Strikes Again) is officially designated as Earth-31, though I have no idea of when in that universe is our "present". [I noticed you moved Catgirl to "Carrie Kelley (DKR)".] The Clever Guy  Talk 18:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, cool! Earth-31 it is then. After reading that excerpt though, we have to make sure that only All-Star and DKR Batman related material are moved to that page, not All-Star Superman (which is kind of odd, since All-Star Batman makes reference to Superman in issue #6). Weird. --Brian Kurtz 18:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It's most likely Superman (Earth-31) who is referenced, not the All Star Superman. Earth-31 Superman made appearnces in Countdown: Arena. Speaking of All Star, the All Star Batgirl will probably not be in the same continuity as Frank Miller's Dark Knight Universe, despite that Batgirl has appeared in All Star Batman and Robin. The Clever Guy  Talk 18:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Definitely something to consider. In the meantime, I'll re-move Catgirl to Earth-31. --Brian Kurtz 19:21, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I have created a template for Elseworlds/Post-52 characters. What do you think? The Clever Guy Talk 10:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Sweet! Me likes! --Brian Kurtz 13:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of naming conventions...is there a reason for why Superman, Jr. and Batman, Jr. have different earth designations despite sharing continuity? If there isn't, I'd stick with "Alternate Earth-Two". The Clever Guy Talk 23:01, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Hawkman
Who is Katar Hol (New Earth)? --Roygbiv666 01:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Basically, it was the only way I could figure to resolve the "Hawkman" nightmare. Without going into the long and short of it, Katar (New Earth) is the guy introduced in the Hawkworld mini series, and the subsequent Hawkworld ongoing. The one who joined the League wearing that terrible red and gold armor. Katar (Earth-One) is of course the classic Silver Age Thanagarian that everyone knows and loves. Trying to reconcile these two versions of what was supposed to be a single person is a continuity quagmire that makes me wanna tear my eyes right out of their sockets. --Brian Kurtz 02:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Good job creating the Earth-Fables Gallery. I'll try to remember to use it :D. Have a nice weekend Brian! Copycat989 13:55, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! You too. --Brian Kurtz 13:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Green Arrow and How to create templates
Hi Brian I was wondering if you know the answer to this question (Does the DC Database wiki restrict the depth/scope of its articles in such a way that certain articles related to Green Arrow would not belong there?)because I'm trying to create a Green Arrow Wiki and somebody asked me that question and I'm not sure what to tell them because I see other wiki's that are based on DC Universe Characters like Batman, Superman, Smallville, Wonder Women, and the DC Animated Universe. Also another question how do you create template like for excample character, vehicle, gallery, and so forth I was wondering how they are made. Have a good weekend. Thanks again for all your help.

from Rod12


 * Hey, Rod12. We don't really have any restrictions so far as what Green Arrow material can be created, but to be on the safe side... it would be probably be a good idea to address the specifics of such a thing on the policy forums. I can tell you for certain that we definitely don't restrict on scope or depth. In fact, there are tons of existing articles on the DB that could benefit from a little bit of both. As far as the template stuff goes... I'm afraid you came to the wrong guy on that one. The templates use some pretty complex code, and I am not the guy best suited to help you in that area. I'm terrible when it comes to coding. The site owner Jamie would probably be able to answer your coding questions better than I can. --Brian Kurtz 02:39, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Dead Character Question and How did you make your User Talk Page
Hi Brian you saw my user page that has all my favorite characters I was wondering which character are officially deceased I know Barry Allen the 2nd Flash and Bart Allen the 4th Flash is but is there any other characters in the DC Universe that are my favorite characters that are officially deceased. Also how did you create your User Talk Page I tried creating but it didn't work I was wondering how you did it. Any news on the Smallville character pages and also when I meant a character page on Aquaman I meant Smallville's Version and Mercy Reef's Version sorry about the miss-understanding. Thanks again for all your help and I sent Jamie a message on his User Talk Page but he hasn't answered me yet but thats ok I'm in no rush. Also one other question that was sent to me about the Green Arrow Wiki site I'm trying to create and I don't know the answer to it because I'm apart of DCDatabase community and I edit here everyday and I'm one of the editors who edits the GA pages and you know I like GA so what should I do to answer this question.

(Good news! Wikia hosts the DCDatabase community which is eager to have your contributions. You can read more about this wiki on its information page at Central Wikia.

We hope to have your help on this topic at DCDatabase soon!

Green Arrow may well be able to support a wiki on his own, but please talk to the editors of the GA pages at the DC Database first about how best to launch the project.)

From Rod12

Hey, Rod. Sorry I didn't get back to you right away. You can find a list of currently deceased characters here. Not sure how up to date it is, but it should be easy enough to navigate. I'm not sure I understand your question about your user talk page. It looks like your user talk page is working fine. If you want to try and experiment with stuff, you can always use your sandbox page. I've been doing a little bit more with the Smallville stuff. Here's a list of characters that we already have pages on. I'm probably going to move some of the Mercy Reef stuff so that the page names are in line with Smallville continuity. I'll start putting together an Aquaman page under the pagename Arthur Curry (Smallville). Hopefully, Jamie will get back to you soon regarding your template questions. Have a good one. --Brian Kurtz 14:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

User Talk Page, Green Arrow Wikia site statement, Aquaman (Mercy Reef) Character Page
Hi Brian sorry about the miss-understanding with the User Talk Page I knew mine worked what I was wondering is how you made your user page look the way it does I liked how you made it. I know your making a Aquaman (Smallville) Character Page but are you going to make a Aquaman (Mercy Reef) Character. This statement made on the request for the Green Arrow Wikia site statement I don't understand it by any chance do you know what it means. (Good news! Wikia hosts the DCDatabase community which is eager to have your contributions. You can read more about this wiki on its information page at Central Wikia.

We hope to have your help on this topic at DCDatabase soon!

Green Arrow may well be able to support a wiki on his own, but please talk to the editors of the GA pages at the DC Database first about how best to launch the project.)

I don't know the answer to it because I'm apart of DCDatabase community and I edit here everyday and I'm one of the editors who edits the GA pages and you know I like GA so what should I do to answer this question.

From Rod12


 * Coincidentally enough, I'm working on an Aquaman (Smallville) character even as we speak. It's going to be a stub, but most of the basic info will be there. Aquaman from Smallville is the exact same character as the one from Mercy Reef, even though they were played by two different actors. --Brian Kurtz 18:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Brian they look great now all we need is Bart Allen Impulse, Martain Manhunter, Black Canary, and Smallville's Version of the Justice League team and were done. If you want I'll fill in the other information like the History and what ever else is need like photos for excample. Once again great job you are the best.

From Rod12

J'onn J'onzz (Smallville) page
Hi Brian I created a J'onn J'onzz (Smallville) page could you look it over and see if anything more needs to be added or changed I think I got the basics down. The only thing I didn't add is the history. Now the only Smallville hero characters left needed to be added are Bart Allen Impulse, Victor Stone Cyborg, and Dinah Lance Black Cannary and the a page for the Smallville Justice League Team. Those 4-remaining pages do you want to do them or me or we simply split them in half and each one of us do 2 each. Oh do you think we should add the Smallville character Andrea Rojas her character is considered a hero and Dinah Lance in Smallville which one is she in the comics the 1st or 2nd Black Cannary. Thanks again for all your help and The Green Arrow and Aquaman Smallville pages looks great nice job.

From Rod12


 * Looks good, Rod. You're off to a great start. Though if I may suggest, I think we should restrict his power levels to include only those that we have seen in the TV series. As it is a different continuity, we shouldn't assume that Smallville's John Jones has all of the same powers as his comic book counterpart. The powers that I personally can recall are:


 * Flight - He flew off with Bizarro
 * Super-Strength - Killed the evil Kryptonian
 * Telepathy - Got into Clark's head
 * Shape-shifting - We've seen glimpses of his true martian form
 * Super-Speed - possible power, though this might just be an application of flight.
 * Martian Vision - Not sure about this one. Has he ever used heat vision or any variation thereof? I can't remember.


 * I'm also a little iffy on the name. Has he been referred to as J'onn J'onzz in the show or just John Jones? Can't remember. I know he's been called the Martian Manhunter by both Chloe and Kara. I'll reprint this post on the J'onn J'onzz (Smallville) talk page so that other editors are aware that this is being discussed.


 * Oh... I'll get back to you on those other characters you mentioned. Cheers. --Brian Kurtz 13:13, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

J'onn J'onzz (Smallville) Powers Review and Looking Over
Hi Brian I was looking over J'onn J'onzz (Smallville) at the Smallville Wiki Page and it says on the issue of powers On the issue of powers he has and which epsodes they appeared in and which they were also demonstrated by The Martian Manhunter. Hopefully this will help in understanding The Martian Manhunter of Smallville's powers. Oh the image uploading is particially working for me it works at least half of the time. Thanks again for all your help maybe this will help us get a true answer on Smallville's Martian Manhunters true powers.

From Rod12.


 * Flight(Static,Phantom,Bizarro)
 * Telepathy(Labyrinth)
 * Super Speed(Static,Cure)
 * Healing Factor(Phantom,Bizarro)
 * Shapeshifting(Static)=You see his Red Eyes
 * Super Strength(Static,Bizarro,Cure)
 * Heat Vision/Martian Vision(Static)=In the comics, the Martian Manhunter has the powers of flight, shapeshifting, super-speed, super-stamina, telepathy, super-strength, Martian vision (not heat vision, but a vision that releases pressure instead of heat), invulnerability, invisibility, intangibility, and possibly the ability to create heat through his palm.

Marvel changeroos
Hey Brian, I wanted to let you know that we have combined some ideas from your event template onto the Marvel Database (here)and have been discussing it in the forums. I was wanting to get your take on it and share some other ideas that we can combine in both databases. Shoot me a line and we'll see if we can't come up with some good ideas that will benefit both DB's. --


 * I like the idea of collapsibles as well. I think the problem with the centering and adjustments on the NavBar is due to the code on the sites due to the commons javascript (here). As far as I can think if we can create out "own" template to handle this kind of thing then we can use that template instead of the "<div style=Nav" code that we have to use right now. Of course I am thinking this and not knowing if it is really the case.


 * I'm going to tinker around with this and bring in Peteparker from the MDP also on the conversations since he is even more versed in the wiki markups than I am. Thanks for the quick response and maybe we can finally get both sites a little more in sync. ;) --M1shawhan 03:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Random Aquaman Comic Book Cover in the Orin (New Earth) Gallery
Hi Brian I was just in the Orin (New Earth) Gallery and I noticed a random Aquaman Comic Book Cover in the gallery isn't supposed to be located with the Aquaman Covers or is this image just a touble image. Any updates on the remaining Smallville hero characters that need to be created. Oh I hope that power information on Smallville Martain Manhunter's powers was helpful. Well thanks again for your help.

From Rod12


 * I updated the Orin (New Earth)/Gallery. I moved the random cover to the cover art gallery where it belongs, and I also removed the two Aquaman Smallville pics since that version of the character now has his own gallery page.


 * So far as the other Smallville characters goes... I'm probably going to start cobbling something together for Bart Allen over the weekend. I think I want to create an article for the episode he was introduced in first, before starting on his own page. We're still on tap to do Cyborg as well. With the other characters, I would recommend using the minor character template for characters who have only had minimal influence, such as Andrea Rojas and Black Canary. They can always be upgraded to full character templates later pending further appearances. And really really minor characters from the show like the sheriff of Smallville or something like that won't get pages at all. --Brian Kurtz 17:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Green Arrow DC Animated Universe Image in Oliver Queen (New Earth) Gallery
Hi Brian I got rit of the Green Arrow Smallville Images from the Oliver Queen (New Earth) Gallery just like you did with the Orin (New Earth) Gallery. But in the Oliver Queen (New Earth) Gallery I noticed that there was a Green Arrow DC Animated Universe Image and I was wondering were should it be movied to because I think it should. As for the Smallville hero character Andrea Rojas I think its ok to give the character a minor character template but with Black Canary I think she real does deserve a full character templates because she is a full time DC Comic Character and I heard news thats she'll be comming back next season in Smallville when they go into there possible final season. Also I was wondering what were your thougths on doing a Smallville Justice League Team Page I think it could be done and theres a good deal of information to use to create a page. Thanks again.

From Rod12

New gallery template
See this thread on the forums when you have some free time. The Clever Guy Talk 09:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. If everyone likes it, I'll go with whichever way the wind blows. One question though... if this template replaces the existing gallery template, is there a risk of it screwing up existing pages that are using the current template? I'll go back and re-look at the thread you posted. I know there's been some new comments that I haven't read yet. See-ya! --Brian Kurtz 14:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think screw-ups will happen more than adding lots of new tasks and having at least some galleries without images be sorted as "Galleries with Content" just because they have preexisting tags, such as gallery or center. Maybe we can get a bot to fix the tag issue. The Clever Guy  Talk 20:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * "GalleryName" should be filled in new gallery pages, or the automatic "SeeAlso" thingys won't show up. The Clever Guy  Talk 15:19, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahhhh... gotcha. I was wondering why some of them showed up and some of them didn't. Thanks for the update. --Brian Kurtz 15:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Search Bar
Hey Brian,

In IE7 and Firefox, you have the ability to put new searches in the Search Bar, so I made some for the Go and Search functions for the DC side. I had them made for the Marvel side for quite awhile now, and I figured I might as well make it fair. :)

Here's the link to the searches. Let me know if you have trouble using them.

--Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 19:56, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool! Thanks! --Brian Kurtz 20:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

DC Characters Animated Images
Hi Brian great job on Bart Allen and the Run Episode it looks great. I was wondering with all the DC Characters Animated Images are we going to give them there own gallery or are we going to keep them where they are because since we moved the Smallville Images. Oh and I found out how the friend feature works and I was wondering could I add you to my friend list. Oh did you by any chance read my last message regarding the Smallville Justice League Team Page. Thanks again.

From Rod12


 * Hey Rod, I'm still kinda testing the water with the animated stuff. Some characters such as Supes and Bats will definitely have full character templates, but some of them are just going to have minor templates. I'm also still hammering out the naming conventions on some of these, so I'll have to get back to you on that. In the meantime, if there are gallery pages created for say Bruce Wayne (DCAU)/Gallery, then yes, we can remove DCAU pics from other galleries and place them in the more appropriate ones.


 * The Smallville Justice League stuff (as well as Cyborg) is definitely on my "to do" list. First I wanna borrow my buddy's Season Six DVD so I can freshen my memory of the episode (and also get some sweet screencaps).


 * Sure, you can add me to your friends list. By all means. To be honest, I've never even looked at the option, so I don't even know how it works. --Brian Kurtz 14:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Added Edit Toolbar Buttons
Hi Brian,

I added the same Edit Toolbar buttons we have over on the Marvel Side here. The only one that's different is the one with a picture of the Earth. You guys don't seem to use a reality template on this side, so I stuck RoyGBiv666's Earth Template in there instead. (It seems to be pretty similar).

I was going to start migrating some function templates over to this side as well, but didn't know if your Naming Conventions are the same on this side as on the other. Are your comic pages all being moved to the: "Comics:ComicTitle Vol VolumeNumber IssueNumber" Naming Convention? I've got a pretty good little template that allows users to put in: "ComicTitle #IssueNumber" and the template assumes you're talking about Volume 1 and makes the link: 'Comics:ComicTitle Vol 1 IssueNumber|ComicTitle #IssueNumber' I know I really like it on the Marvel side, so I thought if the Conventions are the same, you guys would like it too.

If you think of any other functionality that would be very handy, let me know, and I'll see what I can whip up. Thanks, --Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 14:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for the upgrades! Currently, all of our comic issues are named "Supergirl Vol 5 11" (for example). None of them are titled under the convention of "Comics:ComicTitle Vol VolumeNumber IssueNumber". Perhaps its a coding thing that I'm unfamiliar with, but I'm not clear on what the benefit of adding "Comics" to the beginning of each pagename is? Is there a forum topic or somesuch that I should check out? Thanks! --Brian Kurtz 15:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not worded very plainly here, but basically, Comics, and especially team-named comics aren't easily sorted from the team pages, so putting them in their own namespace, (Comics:), enables easier sorting. I've heard it's in order to make things easier later.  Ah! Here's the forum discussion.


 * Oh, and PS, I LOVE LOVE LOVE what you guys have done with Orin (New Earth). I worked to get this as a field into the Character template, so that all that would be needed to add these things is to put them like:
 * | PowersList = Amphibious Nature; Enhanced Sight; Enhanced Hearing
 * So that the fields would come up automatically! (In case you couldn't tell, I'm all about automation).  See this page for an example on how it would be used.  It could easily be introduced, (as you've used it), for the abilities and weaknesses fields also!  I'd love to see it come to fruition.  How do you feel about it?
 * --Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 22:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * One more thing, do you ever use the shoutbox over here? It's a widget for the panel on the left in the new skin, and you can talk to any other people instantly, like community IM.
 * --Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 22:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * One more thing, do you ever use the shoutbox over here? It's a widget for the panel on the left in the new skin, and you can talk to any other people instantly, like community IM.

Uhhh...
check out the non-existent Spies - any ideas on what's causing all the entries? Click on a few and they shouldn't be "spies". Over to Jamie?
 * Roygbiv666 20:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Peteparker made some upgrades to the character template. If you look at the source code, you'll find some defaults under the Occupation and Origin fields. Though to be honest, I'm not sure what is triggering some of the auto-category fields. Lobo is auto-categorized as a Deity! Freaky weird. I'm sure its just some weird bug that'll work itself out. Hopefully. --Brian Kurtz 20:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, Lobo was an archbishop for a religion I think he was alone to practise...LOL. The Clever Guy  Talk 21:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah... something is definitely rotten in the state of Denmark. I just created the wanted category Criminals and its flooded with tons of characters who are not criminals, like Aquaman and the Flash. --Brian Kurtz 21:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe they have been shoplifting sometime...LOL. Sorry, couldn't resist it. The Clever Guy  Talk 21:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I always suspected there was something kinda fishy about that Aquaman guy!


 * Oooh.... bad joke. Bad, bad joke. The guys aren't gonna let ya live that one down. --Brian Kurtz 21:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry fellas, it's all me. Over on the Marvel side, we like to autocategorize as much as possible, so I attempted to implement the same things over here.  In Lobo's case, "Fish-God", (specifically, 'God'), is in his Occupation block, so it saw that and put him as a God, or Category:Dieties. I've disabled all that nonsense for now, and if you guys have a list of occupations, origins, and unusual features you'd like autocategorized, let me have it, and I'll switch em all out.  I noticed that in the case of some characters, the template hasn't completely changed out for them yet, so it was categorizing them as every single possibility.  If you see this, just re-save the page as it is if it bugs you, and it'll go away right away, or you can leave it for the cache to catch up with. (I turned it off anyway, so they should be going away pretty quick). :)
 * Here's what we have on the Marvel side.
 * --Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 21:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Small button, you've got!
Hey Brian,

I just put in the small button, it's the one to the right of the redirect button. Apparently, everything before the redirect button is automatic, so we only get to add after that. I'm going to put it in on the Marvel side too, but I'm not sure it's used all that often over there.

Also, as you've noticed, I updated a few of the templates over here, so if you see some unusual stuff, resave the page, and if it's still there, let me know so I can fix it. :) --Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 21:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Spirit (Denny Colt)
Any ideas on an Earth designation for this? Earth-Spirit?
 * Roygbiv666 03:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was trying to figure that one out myself. I guess Earth-Spirit is the best option. Formally, is his first name Denny or Dennis? --Brian Kurtz 11:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I have never read a Spirit book (I know, sad) - is this some crossover thing with the DC Universe, or a standalone? If it's standalone (probably is due to licensing issues), I guess "Earth-Spirit" will have to do. Similar to "Earth-Fables" and "Earth-V(for Vendetta)".
 * --Roygbiv666 15:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's stand-alone, though the license was formerly owned by Quality Comics. The current series as well as the Archive editions are published by DC. Even though he had a crossover one-shot with Batman, I'm 99% certain that the Spirit is in a separate reality from the others. --Brian Kurtz 16:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * So, I'd say "Earth-Spirit" for now. As long as the entries have a name, we can change them all later. Roygbiv666 22:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Image 'Subject' Fields
Hey Brian,

I wrote a robot program that will 'fix' all of the subject fields in the Image templates. Basically, if the subject is a redirect, it finds where it redirects to and corrects the field. I thought I'd run this by you and Roy before I unleashed it though. I know 'fixing' the cast fields created a bit of chaos last time, so I don't want to step on any toes. Let me know if it's cool to run it. :)

--Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 03:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. Let 'er rip! --Brian Kurtz 11:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Brian - see my page for additional discussion -- cc to Brian:
 * I think that we are (at least trying) to follow the same kind of naming conventions as the MDP (i.e. "First Name (Earth)"), but there are a bunch that haven't been updated yet. Is there a way for a bot to rename those automatically, or should we stick with users placing the "Move" template in the articles. Theoretically, one could have a bot do a run on all pages using the "Character Template", take the "real name" field and the "Universe" field, see if it matches the Pagename, and, if it doesn't, move the page to "Real Name (Earth)". I think there are too many idiosyncrasies for that to be automated though.


 * Should we concentrate on figuring out the critical path (i.e. the order that things need to happen) before we start updating actual pages? Like, does the whole naming convention thing need to be cleaned up before categories, etc. Should we have a bot clean up all the "Earth-Whatever" pages to use a "reality template" rather than merely a "Location template"? And so on.
 * Roygbiv666 14:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds like you're reading off my 'to do' list. heh heh heh.  A more logical, step by step approach, as you're suggesting, would probably work out best in the end, since one project would be completed prior to opening another, but that is definitely not the way it happened or continues to happen on the flip side.  I do have a bot that automates move processes, changing all of the subpages connected to a character's page as well as updating all of the pages in their Category/Appearances page with their new name.  If you happen to feel like helping, using the move tag is the best bet for these.  I've been meaning to ask, but didn't want to pry, but you guys have quite a few pages (probably less than 20) that have move tags in them with no name to move them to, suggesting that the current name is incorrect, but the correct one is unknown.  Could we move those instances to a separate category?  Maybe a sub-category of Cat:Move would be in order?  In any case, the move tag, when filled out at the top of the page with the name to be moved to, is a surefire way to ensure the page will be moved properly. :)
 * It is altogether possible to automate the page naming process, if that is something you would be interested in. Over on the dark side, I had a lot of people who enjoyed hunting down incorrect pages and throwing in move tags, so we went that route.
 * As far as the order you'd like to accomplish these goals is concerned, if you guys happen to have a preference, I'm all all ears. I'm here to assist in achieving the same modern functionalities as we enjoy on the Marvel side.  No reason why you nice fellas should have to bang out all the cool stuff you do by hand all the time.  Whatever I can do to make your lives easier.
 * --Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 03:46, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Brian - I started a page for bot discussions/suggestions/etc. here. I know we should probably use the Forums, but I rarely check them. Roygbiv666 12:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Facebook icon
All fixed! I couldn't find any problem with the code, so I saved the image locally, converted it to a png image, and used that link instead. I deleted the old gif image since it wasn't being used anywhere else. :)

--Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 13:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Awesome! You da man! --Brian Kurtz 13:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Green Arrow Wiki
Hi Brian I'm trying to create a Green Arrow Wiki page and this message was sent to me which is below how would you recomend me answering this so I could start my Green Arrow Wiki page. Oh and I've notice you have been real busy with editing if you need any extra help let me know and if so give me some instructions on what is needed and I'll do my best to help you out.

From Rod12

Hi Rod!

Your request was replied to back on February 18. See http://requests.wikia.com/wiki/Greenarrowdatabaseproject -- basically I suggested that you talk to some of the other editors at DC Database about coordinating the GA coverage there with a separate wiki. If other editors are in agreement, I'll be happy to reopen the request and get this started for you. (Long live Ollie!) — Catherine (talk) 00:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Aquaman Comic Book Question
Hi Brian I was just recently looking at the DC Comics websites and the Comics and Graphic Novels and I saw kind of a limited amount of Aquaman Comics. Do you know or recomend any Aquaman Comics that deal with his orgin like for excample Batman year one I'm mainly looking for a Aquaman comic book telling me stories about his orgin and how he became Aquaman. If you don't know any thats ok I just thought you were the best person to ask. Oh and by the way did you get a chance to read my message Green Arrow Wiki and the question I asked you about the message that was sent to me about dealing with trying to creat a Green Arrow Wiki web site because I real don't know how to answer that question and I thought you would be the best one to ask. Well thanks again for all the help.

From Rod12


 * To be honest, Rod, I'm not sure I completely understand Catherine's response, but it appears that she is denying your request to create a brand new Wiki. If that's the case, then I truly am sorry. Been there myself. Believe it or not, I actually tried to start a DC wiki right about the time that this one was being created and was turned down. Never fear though, we welcome all editorial assistance, and hopefully, one day, we'll be able to include every erg of information possible about the Battling Bowman.


 * Oh... as for Aquaman. I highly recommend the 1993 limited series Aquaman: Time and Tide. It's a modern retelling of his origin, and in my opinion, one of the more entertaining stories to come out of the 90s. It's available as a trade paperback. There was an also an Aquaman special that came out in the mid 80s that details his origin. It's pretty decent, but kinda obsolete. Hope this helps. Cheers! --Brian Kurtz 06:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Justice League of America
hey Brian. I see you merged the two JLA entries for being the same. Actually, the Earth-One was limited to Pre-Crisis materials, and the New Earth entry was Post-Crisis. The Other Media and stuff were the same, but otherwise they had different content. Now the Pre-Crisis stuff is gone(ish). Maybe it could be reverted, and I can move the general JLA content to the Disambig page, and change the main image on one of them.
 * Roygbiv666 22:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * OOOOOPS! Big-a mea culpa! I guess I didn't really look very closely at the article. At a glance, it looked like a mirrored article. My bad! Just fixed it. --Brian Kurtz 00:37, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Moving Comics pages
How come you are moving comics pages? I thought we are going by the naming conventions of 'Comics:x Vol y z'. GeorgeMcBain 23:02, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I started to move some of the pages back, like Arak Vol 1 43. -- GeorgeMcBain 17:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, sorry I didn't respond to your first message. I received several messages at one shot and missed yours. As for the moving thang... welllll... even though I try to keep everything as symmetrical to the MDP as possible, I haven't really been up on this comic issue naming convention. Aside from a search engine feature, I just don't see the benefit to renaming all these pages. Just a personal pet peeve I s'pose. Admittedly, I haven't participated in any of the forum discussions on the matter yet. Heck, I'm still trying to get all the character pages moved. Be that as it may, I should've discussed the matter with you first before arbitralily moving your pages and for that I apologize. --Brian Kurtz 17:47, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Gotcha, no worries; If you start a discussion on forums with Jamie let me know and I will join in. Until then, I am going to continue going by the naming convention rules. Cheers! -- GeorgeMcBain 18:17, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

FairUse Image Tab
I made a little template to stick in Image Templates, called Template:FairJust. What do you think - does it make sense in terms of usage and that sort of thing? I used it in Image:Power Boy 001.jpg.
 * Roygbiv666 04:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, that's pretty cool. Me likes! --Brian Kurtz 12:20, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, let me update that. Me LOVES! I've started dropping it into some image pages, and I think it helps to make things look more professional. Also helps to keep us on our Ps and Qs so far as Fairuse requirements and such. --Brian Kurtz 17:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Smallville Cyborg, Black Cannary, and Justice League Team Pages Updates
Hi Brian excellent job on the new template for the Young Justice page it looks so much better then that old template that was basically comprised of comic book covers job well done on that page. I was wondering if you had any news or updates on the Smallville pages of Cyborg, Black Cannary and a team page on Smallville's version of the Justice League. If you need me to work or help you on one of those 3-pages just let me know. Or update the history of those characters already made let me know.

From Rod12


 * Hey, Rod. I quickly put together some pages for Justice League (Smallville), Victor Stone (Smallville) and Dinah Lance (Smallville). There's very little information on the pages just yet. Mostly its just a template, a pic and a couple of links. --Brian Kurtz 02:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Big Bang
Do you have any images we can stick in this? I can't find anything like a scan of the Hand holding the ... whatever it is at the dawn of time.
 * Roygbiv666 22:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sure I can come up with something. I'll scan through my Crisis' or some GLC origin stories. --Brian Kurtz 23:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I found a generic Big Bang pic. I'll hunt around some more to get the big giant hand. --Brian Kurtz 01:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Job Well Done on the Smallville Heroes
Hi Brian I got to say job well done on all the Smallville Heroes pages excellect job on everything. I did a few updates on your excellent work for the Black Canary Dinah Lance I created a gallery for her character and for Cyborg I did the same and I also created a Cyborg (disambiguation) because I thought it was needed for the character and I added Smallville's Dinah Lance to the Black Canary (disambiguation). Lets hope Smallville adapts some more DC Characters personally I hope they do Green Lantern Hal Jordan and Red Arrow Roy Harper. Oh I've noticed there isn't real alot or simply any information on Jor El (New Earth) why is that I was wondering why. Once again great job on some excellent work.

From Rod12

Wow
Do you stay up all night working on this stuff? You must have one sweet job! :) --Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 12:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh. Yeah, I guess I do. Fortunately, my job allows me internet access and a lot of free time. Shhhhh. Trade secret. Don't tell anyone. Believe it or not, I actually do have a pretty full life outside of the DB. But my obsessive compulsive disorder always draws me back. lol --Brian Kurtz 12:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

LSHAU
Hey, any ideas how to designate the universe for the Legion of Super Heroes animated series? I mentioned LSHAU earlier, but it didn't seem to be any further pondering on the subject. (On a side note, "Earth-Legion of Super Heroes" would be very clumsy and ugly.) DCAU can't be used, as it is not the same continuity. The Clever Guy Talk 14:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey... that sounds pretty good. I agree with the clumsy run-on name. That would be too labor intensive to continuously type, and there should be something to distinguish them from the DCAU proper (particularly since I've now been segregating the various animated characters; Teen Titans, Super Friends and son on. I think LSHAU sounds perfect. --Brian Kurtz 14:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Great! Everything gets much easier when there are stable naming conventions lol. The Clever Guy  Talk 14:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Hal Jordon
Yeah, you're a better man than I. I already deleted it and the User left me a message. I just kind of forgot about it.
 * Roygbiv666 18:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ooooh... that was kind of a snotty message he left you. We'll have to keep an eye on this guy. If he becomes a problem I have no issue dropping the hammer on him. --Brian Kurtz 20:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe - my guess is he's a kid that just doesn't necessarily get what the database is "for". I don't think he's posted anything else yet.
 * Roygbiv666 21:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Hippolyta
Dude - circular reference on this one: Hippolyta (Earth-One)
 * Roygbiv666 21:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Blast! I hate when I do that. Fixed now. Good looking out! --Brian Kurtz 21:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ha! I thought only 1970s superheroes said "Blast!" -- Roygbiv666 21:43, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * 1970s superheroes AND the incomparable Stewie Griffin! :p --Brian Kurtz 21:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Justice League trouble
Hello. The JLA Earth-One/New Earth pages are as of now a little too similar. The E-One page have membership fields containing members that are members only in post-Crisis continuity (and possibly vice versa), for instance, and the JL Gallery page can't be moved to "Justice League of America/Gallery", where it should be. Any solutions? The Clever Guy Talk 18:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * If we have "Category:JLA Members", can we just replace the pointless list in the JLA entries with a link to the Category and sort it out later?
 * Roygbiv666 19:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I wish I had got that idea! Lol. Seriously, I think it is the easiest way to sort this out for now. The Clever Guy  Talk 21:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * How's Justice League of America and Justice League of America for now?
 * Roygbiv666 23:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow. Yeah, that looks good. Much easier to navigate than the endless list. --Brian Kurtz 12:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * But the gallery page still needs moving... The Clever Guy  Talk 17:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Image Template
Hey Brian!

I noticed you were filling out a couple of those Image templates, and I was wondering if you'd be interested in a couple 'tweaks' to the template to make it easier to fill out? Nothing big, just some un-published short-hand notations for the licenses and types. (csp for comic single panel, char for character image, etc). Would you use them if I put them in over here?

--Nathan Elliott (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 18:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, that sounds awesome! Anything that saves time is always an asset. I've also been adding a Template:DC Copyright tag under the notes section. Maybe we can auto-include that so I don't always have to retype it. Thanks! --Brian Kurtz 18:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:Vampirism
Should we make this a sub of Category:Vampires? That way, all Vampires have the powers of vampirism.
 * Roygbiv666 15:33, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, yeah. That's pretty cool. I'm trying to auto-insert the power into the race category, so that its automatically included on character pages. It's being finicky for some reason though. --Brian Kurtz 16:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, I just cobbled together a quick power template. It's not in any way complete or even all that comprehensive, but it will auto-include Vampires, Vampirism and a host of powers that are common to all vampires. Other powers though will have to be entered manually. --Brian Kurtz 18:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

New Gods
I saw you removed the from the Uxas (New Earth) page, and I had even posted a message on the talk page about it (dunno if you saw it). In a way, I have the feeling that most New Gods never or very rarely use their original names (I can't tell for sure though), for instance, they use Infinity Man or Darkseid as opposed to Drax or Uxas. (Which might be like the case of Galactus, his original name was Galan, but as the Universe was recreated, he never use that name anymore as if he had "legally" changed it to Galactus [technically, there weren't any laws when the Universe was recreated, but I still think it makes sense in some way].) Any of that make sense? The Clever Guy Talk 18:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh...wow. I thought the move tag from a while ago, which is why I removed it. I didn't see the talk page. I'll go check it out. --Brian Kurtz 20:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Gotham Ungerground Covers and Batman Character movie and TV Show pages
Hi Brian its Rod I was wondering if you could load a image of the Gotham Underground Cover #7 it has a image of James Gordon on the cover. I've tried to load this image for a while onto the site but it hasn't work maybe you'll have some luck because for some reason the image doesn't want to work me. Oh and I was wondering if we are going to do anything on the Batman Character pages for the movies and TV Shows if you want I will do Christopher Nolan's Batman Character page if you want.

From Rod12


 * Here ya go! With the Batman stuff, we've slowly but surely been churning out the alternate media versions. You can find the existing ones under the other media section on the Batman page. Feel free to jump in and edit away! --Brian Kurtz 12:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

"Bad" titles?
Did you just want them deleted, or did you want something more like to remove all instances of them existing on the sites? :) --Nathan Elliott (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 14:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, in my quest to tackle all of the "task" related objectives, I'd like to see the spoilers thing removed from the Merge category as it is seen on the main page. I've tried redirecting it, but that didn't seem to work. And the marveldatabase: plagiarism page is well... a Marvel thang. Plus, I'd like to get rid of it from the Uncategorized Pages special page. So I guess my real answer to your question is: just deleted :) Is this doable? --Brian Kurtz 14:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Mutiverse
What do you think of this? I don't really think the entry needs to be broken up because it has proper headings (that I made, thank you, thank you), but I can see his point. We could divide it up, but the various Multiverses are so interrelated.
 * Roygbiv666


 * Hmmm. Not sure. I suppose at some point it might have to be broken down. I wouldn't recommend anything just yet though. Rumors tell of the coming of a Megaverse during Final Crisis. We might want to hold off on any major revisions or splits until after the Final Crisis dust settles. --Brian Kurtz 12:14, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Bruce Wayne Batman Begins Character Page
Hi Brian I wondering how do you think the Bruce Wayne Batman Begins Character Page looks I was wondering for the skills and abilites I should use them from New Earth Batman. Also I put on the page all wikapedia links that deal with Batman Begins, Batman Gotham Knight, and The Dark Knight I also did the same thing for IMDB and the official sites for the movies. The History area of the page I wanted seperate sections Batman Begins Time Frame, Batman Gotham Knight, and The Dark Knight but it wasn't working in trying to create what I was intending to do so I had to combine Batman Begins and The Dark Knight into one Time Frame but I rather them be seperate. Also right now I have the history summary from Wikapedia right know but I intend to improve it. But right now I just want to get the general facts down also I created a gallery that has images from Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Hopefully you can help solve some of these little problems.

From Rod12

Batman Gotham Knight Batman character page and disambiguation template
Hi Brian I was if we are going to create a character page for Batman that deals with the Batman Gotham Knight movie and the six stories with the movie. Also by any chance is there a disambiguation template if so do you have a link to it and it there isn't don't you think there should be we pretty much have a template for everything else. Oh did you read my message on the Bruce Wayne Batman Begins character page I'm curious on what you think on how I did.

From Rod12


 * Hey, Rod. It's my understanding that the Batman from Gotham Knight is the same continuity as the Batman Begins and Dark Knight films. So any information from the animated movie will probably fall under the Bruce Wayne (Batman Begins) page. Great work on that page by the way. We're off to a great start. Here's the link to the disambig template that we've been currently using. Cheers. --Brian Kurtz 01:23, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Coast City
Hey, would you happen to have a scan of a map of Coast City? I see you uploaded Star City from the DC Atlas.
 * Roygbiv666 01:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Here ya go! --Brian Kurtz 12:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thou art the explosive device! Now, get to work scanning in the rest of the book! ;-) Or at least California and the east coast. hee hee
 * Roygbiv666 12:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 *  "Good, Brian, good. Now . I vahnt you to send me your credit card information ... good .... good"

Roygbiv666 22:14, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * BWAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! No dice, Bela! I'm on to you! --Brian Kurtz 22:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Watchmen
Hi Brian I was wondering why we don't have anything on Alan Moore's Watchmen if you want me to create some pages I will because I think some information on Alan Moore's famous Graphic Novel is needed.

From Rod


 * Oh, yes... Watchmen is definitely on the to-do list. I want to find out first if there's a reality designation associated with them for the sake of naming conventions. Stay tuned... --Brian Kurtz 00:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

naming convention: multiple ANTIMATTER universes
While right now we only have two characters from a seperate antimatter reality that is different from that of the first one and clearly operates on a different basis from the first one (as their characters take on the basis of the matter universe) and can leave them as all being part of a very generic "antimatter universe" term what happens if the writers DO have the multiple antimatter incarnations meeting up? While I think it may never happen with the pending Final Crisis reboot and erasure and restart what happens if they do? Do we go "Earth Crime Syndicate of Amerika" (presently "antimatter universe") versus "Earth antimatter universe 2" (numbered based on the order of their appearance as done in pre-crisis days)?

Or should we just ignore the whole thing until such direct multiple antimatter universe meetings actually happens?

Kal_l_fan 08:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That's a very good question, Kal. For the sake of ease, I think we should just ignore it for the time being, and perhaps cross that bridge if and when a crossover ever rears its ugly head. If so, then perhaps we should distinguish the naming conventions based upon whatever is the prominent DC Comics reality at the time of publication. Such as:
 * Captain Sillypants (Antimatter Universe, Earth-One)
 * Captain Sillypants (Antimatter Universe, New Earth)
 * Captain Sillypants (Antimatter Universe, Earth-3)


 * ...so on and so forth. --Brian Kurtz 19:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

FBI
Isn't it the "Federal Bureau of Investigation", not "Investigations"?
 * Roygbiv666 00:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Why yes, of course it is. Why do you ask? [Hoping the Jedi mind trick works well enough so that he'll gloss over my embarrassing faux pas].


 * They are the stateside version of the "Central Intelligences Agencies", right? Now, back to work! :-)
 * Roygbiv666 00:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Smallville Veritas Organization or Group
Hi Brian I wondering if we should create a page for the Smallville Veritas Organization or Group I just thought it might be a necessary page to create for the Smallville TV Universe I recently created pages for Lois Lane and Andrea Rojas I was wondering if there is any other type of new Smallville pages that should be created. Let me know when you start having to create new Watchmen Pages I'll be happy to help out with those pages or you can just tell me when you have some news on the pages.

From Rod


 * Veritas, eh? Sounds good to me. We'll just have to be sure to use the organization template. It's a pretty interesting storyline so far, and it'll be cool to see how it develops. --Brian Kurtz 13:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

FairJust2
Made a new one where you can add additional description. Check it out. Not sure if I can overwrite the old one ...
 * Roygbiv666 22:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Green Arrow (disambiguation) page question
Hi Brian I was recently looking at the Green Arrow (disambiguation) page and I noticed that Green Arrow Comics were on the same page shouldn't they be on Green Arrow/Cover Page instead of being at the (disambiguation) page. Also I created a Roy Harper Jr. (disambiguation) I was wondering if you could center the page I tried to but I couldn't seem to do it also could you tell me how it looks because I'm wondering what else I should add.

From Rod


 * Adding comic volumes to disambig pages certainly isn't required, but it helps users find specific volumes by simply doing a search for Green Arrow. Oh, and I fixed the Roy Harper disambig page for ya. --Brian Kurtz 18:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The Spirit
Hi Brian I was wondering if we are going to be creating pages for Will Eisner's The Spirit.


 * We sure are! We've already started here, here and here. They could all use some improvement though. --Brian Kurtz 11:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Batman I, II, III
Brian, have a look at User talk:Mrblonde267 section on Batman I, II, III. Do you see any problem with this? I'm not sure. Mrblonde267 seems like Brian Kurtz Mark II - better watch out. ;-)
 * Roygbiv666 12:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * A Brian Kurtz Mark II?! That's... that's impossible! That would make him like... my Bizarro imperfect duplicate! Or something. Anywho... I can understand Mrblond267's rationale on the matter, even if it is a little bass ackwards (heh. love that phrase). So long as we're mindful of double redirects and such, I don't think it'll cause any problems. I doubt that readers using the search engine are going to use numeric parameters when searching for a specific version of Batman anyway. --Brian Kurtz 15:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Superman-22
Does my message seem okay here?
 * Roygbiv666 13:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, looks good, Roy. I've been keeping an eye on that page. Hopefully it won't get ugly. --Brian Kurtz 14:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Batman Question and thanks with the help on the Barry Allen article
Hi Brian I was wondering if you know any information on the issue of the rumor DC Comics killing off Bruce Wayne and making Jason Todd replace him as Batman. Oh and thanks with the help on the Barry Allen news article isn't that great news the Barry Allen is comming back from the dead and the return of the legendary Flash. From Rod


 * No problem, Rod. I've gotta admit, it's kind of thrilling to know that good ole Barry will be back in the mix. I have no idea about this Batman thing though. The only info I've seen are the teaser posters that say Batman: RIP. --Brian Kurtz 12:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I heard the rumors (or rather, read) about Bruce Wayne being killed in Batman RIP, but I think he was confirmed not to die in some Newsarama interview. Though I'm not sure the Bruce Wayne persona won't die and just "Batman" continue living. :P The Clever Guy  Talk 14:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh god, I really hope they don't do the whole "Only the Bat survives" thing again. Done to death as far as I'm concerned.

Batman One-Shots
Hey, this is just a matter of formality in formatting, but I'm wondering why we put the Batman one-shots into a comics section with a volume number. I am relatively new here, so I might just not understand the mechanics, but I can't really figure out why you would ever really need to link to them as like a "volume," or a "collected work." They can't like in the future, suddenly end Batman one-shots and then start putting them out again as a new volume. It just seems to make more sense to me as a list page. Again, I'm new here, so if I'm missing a key piece of rationale or logic, I'd totally understand that. I'm just curious as to the reasoning.

--Billy 17:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, no problem. All questions are welcome. I agree that it seems kind of "odd" to have volume numbers and such for one-shots, but due to the auto-magic functions of the comic template, it's actually easier to just have everything linked under a common list name such as one-shots or collections. Otherwise, we would have to create separate comic lists, category and gallery pages for every single one-shot special and that is just way too labor intensive (and frankly, kind of un-necessary). Especially since we would be creating a glut of category pages that only contain one item. Does that make any sense? --Brian Kurtz 17:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, yup, there we go. Thanks for explaining that. In that case, I should probably fix the Batman Family Elseworlds page also, I'll get on that.

--Billy 17:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Robots!
Hey Brian, who's the most well known/popular Robot in the DC multiverse? --Nathan Elliott (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 00:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I would have to say the Red Tornado. The character's been around for quite a while and he's currently a member of the JLA. There's also Robotman, though technically he's a cyborg. If you're looking for robot villains, there's also Amazo. --Brian Kurtz 12:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought Brainaic was a robot or cyborg of some kind, but that seems to only be true in one (or two) realities. Is he generally AI?
 * --Nathan Elliott (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 01:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah! Duh! Forgot about Brainiac. Yeah, he's an A.I. in nearly all realities, though he has mentally controlled living hosts before.

Jor El Smallville
Hi Brian the Jor El Smallville page has been edited by someone and it looks all screwed up I would fix it but I don't know were to start.

Never mind page was fixed ignore message.

From Rod

Hero generators: Anything for the fan art galleries?
Hey, there are those hero generators (here and here) you can do lots of fun things with. But can such generated images be anything to have in the fan art galleries? The Clever Guy Talk 11:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, that's pretty cool! Anything that'll help populate the fan art galleries is a plus!--Brian Kurtz 12:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL I guess so ;) Do you think we can "steal" designs from ComicVine if we give credit to the designers? :P The Clever Guy  Talk 13:24, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I gave it a go. Certainly nothing fancy, but here they are. --Brian Kurtz 15:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That Fabrica des Herois is pretty schweet, check out my silly User:Roygbiv666/Gallery. Hee hee. I need to get out more.
 * Roygbiv666 01:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Format for comic series articles
What is the format everyone uses in writing an article for a comics series? I mean, should the "See also" section come before the issue listings or after it? I admit I'm more used to the latter though. --Destron Commander 10:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There's no hard and fast rule on it. I've always put it before the issue listings myself though. --Brian Kurtz 12:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Green Arrow Volume 1 and 2 question
Hi Brian I was wondering since Green Arrow Volume-3 were turned into 9-Graphic Nolves were Green Arrow Volume 1 or 2 at all done the same way and what are the names of the Graphic Nolves. Reason I'm asking is I'm almost done reading the entire collection of Volume-3 and I'm likeing the concept of the Graphic Novel and being a book and all and not having to by each issue separtly just to read the entire story. Plus I'm intersted in reading about Connor Hawkes time as Green Arrow. Nice Job adding the page on Batman RIP hopefully DC Comics won't be idiots and kill of a beloved character like Bruce Wayne aka Batman and plus its not good marketing to do it around the time the Dark Knight Movie comes out. But if they do it then they could always do a Superman or Barry Allen type thing and bring him back from the dead. Thanks again.

From Rod

Hey, Rod. To my knowledge none of Series Two was ever reprinted in trade or graphic novel format. If you can find the old issues cheaply enough, I would recommend issues #0, 94, 102-137. Those were all Connor specific issues. --Brian Kurtz 23:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Very Important Poll
Dear ,

As being a sysop on a Wikia wiki, it is very important for you to participate in a poll that may decide the future of Wikia. The poll is here and I want you to help decide if the Monobook skin and the Quartz skins be availible to be chosen as the default skin of this wiki.

Thanks,

Asoue1286, talk 15:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Neil Gaiman
Hey,

Just thought you should know, Neil Gaiman posted a link to the DC Database on his blog:

http://journal.neilgaiman.com/

The post was on May 22nd, 2008 and we saw a big jump in traffic to the comic covers page he linked. I guess he was looking for a particular cover, which he found on our site. :) (Which you uploaded)

Cool eh?

I have often wondered which industry heavy-hitters have seen our site. Nail Gaiman is just another notch in our belt now. hahahaha!!

--Jamie 17:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, that's really cool! Yeah, that's one helluva notch all right! Thanks for letting me know, Jamie. Today Neil Gaiman... tomorrow, the WORLD! Mwaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! --Brian Kurtz 23:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Green Arrow Wiki
Hi Brian its Rod I recently as of yesterday started a Green Arrow Wiki page so lucky me I finally have my own site on one of my favorite DC Comics superheros. I was wondering if you could help me out on the site I need help getting it started I've already asked the person who runs the Batman site I help out with and I consider you the best in this type of department. I know you can't possibly be a full time memeber there or a regular editor because as you told me most of your time is spent here all I'm asking if you could just help me get it started and pop in on the site know and again and see if any work is need to be done that you could fix or simply help out in oh and could you spread the word about the Green Arrow site thanks. If you could help that would be great oh and don't worry I'll still do my normal work at the DC Database site.

From Rod

PS Thanks for responding to my Marvel Friend message I was surprised to see you on the site nice user-page Howard the Duck adds a nice look to the page are you on that site as much a DC.


 * Hey cool. Hit me with the link to your Green Arrow site, and I'll check it out.


 * While I'm also an admin at the MDP, I don't spend nearly as much time there as I do here. --Brian Kurtz 12:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Green Arrow Web Site
Brian here is the link to the Green Arrow site what every you can do would be great. One of the things I'm actually trying to fix and work on right now is changing the image in the top left corner to a image/logo from Green Arrow Year One. Thanks again oh and thanks for working on the new Queen Tower Smallville Page it needs a template and a simple DC Database look to it to make it more are own thanks again. Oh and just send me a message if the link doesn't work or you couldn't get to the site.

From Rod

Power Ring
Hi Brian I was wondering if there should be a page created about the power rings mainly the other colors that are power rings like Red, Yellow, Blue, Orange, Black, Violet, Indigo amd of course Green and the page would give discription and history or all the colored power rings. Oh and did you visit my Green Arrow page at all yet. Well talk to you later.

From Rod


 * Hey, Rod. I did indeed check out your GA site. It's looking pretty sweet so far. I'd be interested to see it grow.


 * So far we do have a Green Lantern Power Ring page and an Alpha Lantern Ring page. We'll probably start cerating more pages for the other colors, or we might just make them separate sections under the main GL Ring page. --Brian Kurtz 12:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)



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User Contributions

Ads
Hey Brian Kurtz! Check this out, and leave your opinion. The more people that say they want it, the more likely we'll get it! :)

--Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 20:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Green Arrow Web Site
Brian here is the link to the Green Arrow site what every you can do would be great. One of the things I'm actually trying to fix and work on right now is changing the image in the top left corner to a image/logo from Green Arrow Year One. Thanks again oh and thanks for working on the new Queen Tower Smallville Page it needs a template and a simple DC Database look to it to make it more are own thanks again. Oh and just send me a message if the link doesn't work or you couldn't get to the site.

From Rod

Power Ring
Hi Brian I was wondering if there should be a page created about the power rings mainly the other colors that are power rings like Red, Yellow, Blue, Orange, Black, Violet, Indigo amd of course Green and the page would give discription and history or all the colored power rings. Oh and did you visit my Green Arrow page at all yet. Well talk to you later.

From Rod


 * Hey, Rod. I did indeed check out your GA site. It's looking pretty sweet so far. I'd be interested to see it grow.


 * So far we do have a Green Lantern Power Ring page and an Alpha Lantern Ring page. We'll probably start cerating more pages for the other colors, or we might just make them separate sections under the main GL Ring page. --Brian Kurtz 12:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Vigilante
Hey, I noticed that you put up a picture of the new Vigilante for Dave Winston. I'm just wondering where that was revealed, I don't doubt it, but I thought that Dave Winston was dead.

Billy 22:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * To be honest, I wasn't entirely sure about that one. I'm pretty much just trying to empty the unused images category. If it turns out to be the wrong guy, we can always switch it out. --Brian Kurtz 22:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I think we neglected Justin Powell on the redirect page anyway, and he's sort of a wild card appearance-wise. I'm going to go ahead and assume it's him, because Mr. Gotham Underground isn't given a name, but there are no other current named Vigilantes.

Billy 23:10, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. --Brian Kurtz 00:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Whats with the new Skin
Hi Brian whats with the new Monico skin it looks different and not for the better its streching over the superman logo and putting the advertisments in werid random spots what happen I thought they were suppose to fix it with a better version of it. Oh and I was wondering any new updates on whate pages we created for Watchman and The Spirt. Oh and let me know what you have in mind on doing with the Power Ring page Question I asked if you need help or want me to go find any images just let me know. Talk to you later oh and thanks for visiting my Green Arrow site.

From Rod


 * Afraid I can't help you with the skin. I've got nothing to do with those. Hopefully, its just a glitch that'll work itself out. Maybe try a different skin in the meantime. We've got the Green Lantern Ring page, as well as Alpha Lantern Ring and Qwardian "Sinestro" Ring. Since the whole color-spectrum corps stuff is relatively new, we'll probably wait until the story unfolds more before jumping in with the others. For the Spirit, so far I think we only have the Dennis Colt (Earth-Spirit) page and the Ebony White (Earth-Spirit) page. So anything you want to contribute to any of that is more than welcome. Watchman is still on the to-do list. --Brian Kurtz 12:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Boom. Watchmen. What I did last night when I couldn't sleep. Not a lot of information, but structure for those who didn't lose their copy of Watchmen at camp to add to.

Billy 12:29, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Woo-Hoo! Great job. Love the cover gallery. Believe it or not, I am probably the only comic geek in the world who has not read the Watchmen! My sin is compounded by the fact that I own the slipcase Absolute edition as well. I just haven't picked a time yet when I can sit down and absorb the entire thing at once. Heck, I still haven't finished V for Vendetta yet! (Only 3/4s of the way done on that one, but I'm getting there). --Brian Kurtz 12:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Haha, I'm very familiar with that feeling. I have all sorts of things like that lying around my house.

Billy 12:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Copy everything here and paste into your userpage/global.css on central Wikia. That should block the ads. :) Can't help you with the rest of the skin though. x_X The Clever Guy  Talk 13:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Movies
Hey, I was wondering, I understand that at least you and Roygbiv are working on one, but do we as of yet have an official Movie Template? Because I've found several in different categories, and I don't really fully understand any of them. I'm asking because I was thinking about making a Watchmen (Movie) page, but I'm in unfamiliar territory.


 * Billy 17:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The only "real" template that we have so far is this one that Roy came up with. As you can see though, it hasn't really been put to use too much yet. But I think it looks cooler than the old standard formats that we were using, so I would go with that one. --Brian Kurtz 17:17, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

There we go, thanks for the help.


 * Billy 19:07, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Other DC Comics Hero Wiki Sites
Hi Brian I was wondering if we should have a page or some sort of infomation section that tells fans on DC Database about other DC Comics Hero Wiki Sites because besides mine there are several that have been created I created a list of them below I was just wondering should there be a page created for them. Oh and is anyone working on The Spirt Movie page I was recently wondering since the Watchmen Movie page was created.

Other DC Comics Hero Wiki Sites
 * Batman
 * Green Arrow
 * Green Lantern
 * The Flash
 * Smallville
 * Superman
 * DCAU
 * Wonder Women
 * Cassandra Cain (Didn't think the 2nd Batgirl was that popular to get her own site.)
 * Stephanie Brown (Didn't even think Spoiler was that popular to get her own site too.)

From Rod

Somewhere, Over the Alps
 * The Spirit Movie.


 * Billy 01:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure can. They can be submitted on the links page. I don't think anyone's gotten around to doing a spirit movie page yet, but its certainly doable. --Brian Kurtz 12:36, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Brian I followed the link and directions for submitting the DC Comic Book Hero Sites but it didn't work so what do you want me to do. Oh and Billy created the The Spirit Movie looks good by the way so that task is done. Also I'll start work on the other color power rings pages well talk ro you later.

From Rod12

FYI
I changed the Main Page and the Logo for the skin changes. Any opinions? :)

I also noticed that I haven't been giving the same amount of love to the DC side as the Marvel side, since you guys still have all different kinds of comic titles and such. Are there any big projects I can throw the bot at over here?

--Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 14:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... I'm going to forestall a bot-request for the nonce (heh. Love using the word "nonce"). There's still an ongoing discussion on the forums regarding the comic issue naming conventions and I'd like to see the other DCDP admins weigh in before pulling the trigger (so to speak). Rest assured though... I will likely be bugging you for a bot before long! --Brian Kurtz 15:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool! :) There's actually a reason for the whitespace, once ads are turned on, a google ad will fill it up.  (Though you'll only ever see space if you're using firefox and Adblocker).
 * I also pinged the upper echelons, (another sweet word), about the Uncategorized page situation. Hopefully it's something they can debug.  That's WEIRD!
 * As for name changes, I'm going to begin lobbying to remove all of the 'Comics:' namespace hoonanny. I've spoken with some people about how helpful it really is when it comes to searching for articles, and it turns out to be more of a problem than a solution.  I know Jamie wanted the Comics: deal in there, but though I've defended the decision in the past, I've come to believe that it's unnecessary and ugly.  So, good plan on holding off on page name switches.
 * Happy Editing!
 * --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 16:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, thank god! The Comics: Namespace is awful! Why can't we just title pages "Article Vol 1"?
 * Billy 17:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I certainly second that motion. But as I said before... I'll go with whatever Jamie's final decision is.

Green Arrow Oliver Queen, Green Lantern Hal Jordan, and The Flash Barry Allen
Hey Brian I've been recently reading some comics that deal with DC Comics Hero Teamups like Green Arrow Oliver Queen and Green Lantern Hal Jordan Vol-1 and 2. The Brave and the Bold Green Lantern Hal Jordan, and The Flash Barry Allen featuring Green Arrow Oliver Queen. In reading those comics and the bio's of the history of those characters I was wondering what is the history on there friendship and how the 3 of them were such great friends because I hear that so much it just never seemed to be explained in a summary or page type form. I also read a comic/graphic novel that deals with Green Lantern Kyle Rayner and Green Arrow Connor Hawke I was wondering if those two characters and the current Flash Wally West have a similar type of friendship and are best friends type thing like there legendary predesors do. Oh and I've like the Brave and the Bold series is there any more type that you would recomend personally and recomend that deal with my favorite heros on my user page which you have seen. Oh one last question have you read the final crisis series if so how is it I don't care if you give me spoilers because I was wondering since the news of The Martian Manhunters death the return of Barry Allen, the possible death or end of Bruce Wayne aka Batman and the possible end or reboot of the DC Comic New Earth Universe. Oh and simple news on my website total of artciles I now of on it 22 and growing so thats good news and everything else on the site is going well. Oh and did you get my last message that dealt with The Spirt Movie and the site link problem its kind of a sub message underneath the message I last sent you. Well thats about it talk to you later.

From Rod12


 * I'm sorry I keep on jumping onto the bottoms of these, I don't know if there's any etiquette here, but I never bother to unwatch pages, and these keep on being applicable to me. Speaking of the lack of available information on team-ups, this was a problem that plagued me as well. I haven't filled in very much yet, and there are probably one or two things that could be fixed, but I made a Team-Up Template that borrows a lot from the Team Template. The only place I've applied it is "Superman and Batman," and again, I haven't filled in very much information yet because I'm worried about conflicts with Superman and Batman Vol 1 (although I think this should be retitled to Superman/Batman Vol 1).
 * - Billy Arrowsmith 02:06, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Elseworlds Discussion
Hey, Brian, I hate to bug you again, but I've been lobbying on the forums about reality designations for awhile, and I'd really like to pull the trigger on this. I know you contributed to the thread earlier, but I don't know if you've read it recently. I would appreciate it if you would check out this forum, and weigh in on the most recent stuff. Earlier this week I figured I was just going to make those changes if nobody objected, but I was assuming somebody would read it and otherwise give me some sign of approval. I'm also asking Roygbiv about this. Thanks in advance, if you have time.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith, 05:04, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, I hadn't realized that thread had grown so much, Billy. Definitely food for thought. I only briefly skimmed it just now, but as it is now 2:05 am where I'm at, I'm feeling a bit knackered. I'm going to read it over at length (and hopefully contribute) tomorrow when I'm a little more rested. --Brian Kurtz 06:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Blue Lantern Corps Page and Gallery Page
Hi Brian just to let you know I created the Blue Lantern Corps Page and Gallery Page take look and see how I did its basically a rough start on the main page with simple basic information along with two links. Oh did you get my ywo messages I last sent you well thats about it talk to you later.

From Rod12


 * Looks good. Off to a great start. I have been reading your messages. I haven't been ignoring you. Fortunately, Billy responded with just the info I hope you were looking for. --Brian Kurtz 17:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Comic Template
Hey Brian!

I tweaked the Comic Template on the Image Comics Wiki so that you don't HAVE TO put in the title, volume or issue if the page title is in the 'Title Vol Volume Issue' format. Would you be interested in having that installed over here? I noticed you were putting in a few comic templates. It would allow those to still be overridden, so the old pages would still be the same, but in the future you wouldn't have to put those three fields in. Opinions? Talk page me back. :)

--Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 20:36, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, if it doesn't foul up existing pages, its no skin off my nose. Less work is always good. And.... I didn't even know that there was an Image Wiki out there. Guess its time to break out my Freak Force issues!


 * Stop laughing, everyone! Freak Force was cool! Really. They were pretty cool. Kinda. Sorta. Okay, I 'll stop now. --Brian Kurtz 17:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Archiving
Sorry to bug you, but I see some people "archiving old talk pages" - how do you do that? Is it a function, or just copying everything to a new file called archive or something? "Rock on!"
 * Roygbiv666 02:03, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Pretty much I just cut-n-paste the older stuff and drop it under User talk:Brian Kurtz/Archive. If you have the Welcome template on your talk page, there should be a link at the top called Archive. If not, just create the page using the same format as above... uhh... except with your name. Not mine. That would be weird. --Brian Kurtz 03:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Uhhh ... duh, I'm stoopid! Lousy template. thx
 * Roygbiv666 18:21, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Impulse Bart Allen of Smallville
Hi Brian I recently noticed that there are two page for Impulse Bart Allen of Smallville one page is the one that you created and the other one was created by the User Professor Zoom what do you think should be done about it I put the page in the category for smallville cast members but I wanted to alert you one issue since I wasn't sure what you wanted to be done about it I think User Professor Zoom might of thought that two different actors played Impulse on Smallville but in fact same actor played the same role in both episodes just one difference was he had a different hair cut but that was the only difference. Oh and on another issue Billy only answer half of my question on the Wally West Connor Hawke and Kyle Rayner message I was wondering if you could give me your take on that question I asked well talk to you later.

From Rod12

New Batman Movie
Perhaps we can change the Main Page Featured Article to something about The Dark Knight?

Usually, I put something up about a week in advance and leave it there for a week or two after it hits theaters.

Something simple, with links to all of the most relevant articles, for those casual fans who want to 'catch up' with Batman before heading to see the movie...

What do you think?

Cheers,

--Jamie 03:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * For some reason, I hijacked this task. Done.
 * Roygbiv666 12:11, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh. No problem. I was going to get around to it eventually. Was debating whether the featured article should be Dark Knight or Gotham Knight (which was just released on DVD). --Brian Kurtz 12:17, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe Gotham Knight should be a news article at least.
 * Roygbiv666 13:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks guys!
 * I didn't mean to 'assign a task', I just figured it is what people would want to see. :)
 * By all means, if you guys ever need me to do something for you... drop me an email.
 * I check my email more often than I check my talk page these days...
 * As an aside, I think I am going to watch the movie at an IMAX theatre... ooh snap!
 * As per Wikipedia it is the first major film to have been filmed with IMAX technology.
 * Cheers!
 * --Jamie 01:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Lantern Corps and the the different Color Lanterns and Power Rings Done
Hey Brian I finished the Lantern Corps and the the different Color Lanterns and Power Rings and there done also I recently we got a new image loading buttion/link/program that isn't really working good right now is it because it was just put in or am I the only one that is having this type of problem oh and did you see my last message that mainly dealt with the issue of Smallville on the Smallville character page we have two Bart Allen Impulse character pages somethings wrong there because Impulse was only played by one actor. I didn't know what you would want done on the issue. Well talk to you later oh quick question how many page made or edited have you done on record in one single day because every time I check recent work it seems you have done 50 different type of edits or made new pages in one day well keep up the good work your the best at what you do.

From Rod12


 * Hey Rod, I just fixed the Bart Allen pages by merging them both together. I’ll be sure to check out your Lantern pages. I couldn’t tell you why the image button is acting weird. I haven’t had any problems with it. Once in a while though, it tends to get kind of glitchy. And I have no idea how many total edits I have done. I’m sure there’s a way I could find out, but truth be known… I don’t think I want to know. It would just remind me of how much of my life I’ve wasted. See ya! --Brian Kurtz 12:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Earth-TCM
Dude, all these entries seem kinda harsh for Earth-TurnerClassicMovies. Gee.
 * Roygbiv666 12:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL! I knew somebody was going to say that! Should'a known it would be you! I was just waiting for it! You think that's bad, wait'll you see my Earth-Nick at Nite page! --Brian Kurtz 12:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Earth-Hitchcock would be cool.
 * Roygbiv666 13:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

?
Can you do a bizarro superboy Brian?

i-ho

?
Can you do a bizarro superboy Brian?

i-ho

Actor Page question
Hi Brian I wondering why we have the actor page the way we do was it originally like that or did it look different when this site was first created because I have seen seen a new and different way on how to do the whole actor page issue thing. The new way that I've adapted on my site and see used on other sole character sites alone with wikia site for Smallville is that you have a brief type of actor page with a short brief summary that is just mainly about is roll or attachment to the DC Character and the basic bio information on the actor and then after the page is created you added it to a actor category page and then have a sub actor category for such an excample as a certain type of show or movie. If you want to see an example of what I'm talking about just go to my Green Arrow site or the Batman site. Oh and this whole question isn't asking if we can change it I was real asking why it looks the way it is basically a history lession on why it was created that way. Oh and did I do something wrong with the Batman Earth Nolan Character page my main goal was when I created that page was to put down a basic rough outline type page with room to improve and edit it sorry if I did something wrong or forgot to add something I guess you can't always get something right on the first try. Well thats about it talk to you later and the Dark Knight movie is almost here this Friday.

From Rod12


 * Hey, Rod. The actors page has pretty much always looked like that. I see somebody else has added some thumbnails to it. Those look really nice. Since movies and TV shows aren't the primary purpose of the DCDP, I figure it would be easier to just have a single list page rather than creating what would eventually be hundreds of actor pages. Completely unnecessary in my opinion. As for the Bruce Wayne (Earth-Nolan) page, no worries. I fixed it. See the talk page for my comments. Take it easy. --Brian Kurtz 16:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello
Hey man, sorry if I've been messing up that Hotwire page. I'm still trying to get used to this system. Thanks for fixing it up. BTW, I noticed when in edit mode you can see the creators name, but in normal mode i can't. I'm not sure if it's just my browser. If you have a moment to check it out that would be great. Thanks.

Biggunn01 19:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. These things happen. I'm not sure why the creator fields are not visible. Normally the fields are invisible if a page for a specific creator has not been created yet. But I've made the pages for the Hotwire creators, and for some reason, I'm still not seeing them. I pinged User talk:Peteparker, our coding guru, and asked him about it. --Brian Kurtz 12:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I think I fixed it. For some reason that page was just acting glitchy. --Brian Kurtz 13:52, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

IMAGES AS REDIRECTS!
It's completely insane!

--Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 00:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Jet Packs
Nice, but, technically, most superheroes really use rocket packs. Jet packs would require an air intake manifold to mix with the fuel and be ignited. Rockets don't have intakes. Haven't you had Adam Strange over for lunch? - he's fascinating, with all his tales of alien monsters and what not.
 * Roygbiv666 20:30, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm... good point. Rocket does make more sense than jets. Damn that Adam Strange! He's been lying to me this whole time! I oughta Zeta-beam his ass to the next star system! --Brian Kurtz 20:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Welcome Template
Updated it, so you don't have to sign after it anymore, and you can put in a little blurb about what the newbie did if you feel like it. So use: or adding that sweet picture

Hope you dig the tweaks. :)

--Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 21:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sweet! Thanks! --Brian Kurtz 21:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Watchmen

 * FYI, Watchmen Wiki
 * Roygbiv666 23:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sweet! I just added the link to the links page! --Brian Kurtz 23:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Appearance Pages
What up, Mr. Kurtz?

Over on the Marvel side, we moved all the regular appearance pages to the top of the category pages, and then folded them into collapsible boxes so that you don't have to look at em if you don't want to. Would you like me to set this all up over here, or is that decision still in process as well? :)

--Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 01:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah-Ha! Half a step ahead a'head a ya m'man. I swiped the chronology template thingie you came up with, but so far none of the pages have really been merged yet. Only one of two so far. I'ma getting there though! --Brian Kurtz 03:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Woo hoo! Sweet, my friend.  I have a 'bot that'll do both, transfer the page to the category, and then install the Chronology part, so if you get tired of doing that kinda thing, let me know and I'll let her rip!  IMHO, it's much easier to browse over a bot's contribs for errors than try to do it all manually. ;)
 * As usual, you da man.
 * --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 01:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Minor Characters
Check out this crazy stuff: A Minor Marvel Character - neato.
 * Roygbiv666 20:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I saw that! Pretty cool. Won't be long till we have it here. [checks watch. Taps it several times to make sure its working]. Yup. Won't be long. --Brian Kurtz 20:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thought I installed that bad boy over here, hang on. ;)
 * --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 05:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Zere ya goes, kiddoes. Sorry for the delay.  Matt's alias upgrades are in there too. ;)
 * --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 05:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh yea, FYI, now that i check out a couple of Minors over here, you guys need to keep the '| Name = ' part the same as the minor's real name for it to work right. If the 'name' is different than the pagename, the categories are left out and the 'details' collapse.  I can run the ol' botty through and make sure they're all the same if you'd like.  Let me know how I can help transition. :)
 * --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 05:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the bot would probably be a tremendous help in that case. There are a LOT of characters trancluded in the minor character template who are not aliased under their page names. Thanks!!! --Brian Kurtz 06:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Quote Template
Done and done, my friend.

As for the Quotes situation, I noticed that you guys had another little template using the Quotes template, and that didn't jive with the automatic quote inclusion stuff I made, so what I ended up doing is getting rid of DC Database:Quotes Template, but building in all the functions of that into the basic Template:Quotes. I already treated all the pages that were using the other one, so now it works as intended. Are you up to speed with the new functions?

If you put a quote on a comic page, it'll put that page into the Category:SPEAKER/Quotes category (which we're now using as the quotes pages, so I'll be working on switching yours over here (you guys have a TON). Then, using the quotes template on the quotes pages will automatically insert the quote from the comic page.

For it to make more sense, check out Firestorm Vol 2 1 for a comic example, and the quotes page example is Category:Martin Stein (New Earth)/Quotes.

If you have any questions, I may be around a bit longer, or I'll get back to you tomorrow. Hope you're not bummed to lose your DC Database:Quotes Template.

--Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 06:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh. I tried correcting the quotes template at the same time that you were typing this message. Hope I didn't screw it up. I'm not bummed about losing the template modifications though. It didn't really produce the effect that I was going for anyway. --Brian Kurtz 07:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope, looks like you made it exactly the same as the Marvel side, which is what I was personally hoping for, so that's much appreciated. :)
 * The bot finished the Minor characters sometime last night, so your minors should be good as far as the name situation now.
 * I plan on having it move all the current /Quotes pages to Category:/Quotes pages tonight, FYI, and then I'll change your templates to all point to the Category:/Quotes instead of the /Quotes pages.
 * Scream at me if I start breaking things around here. :)
 * --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 19:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

GL Character Template
Hey Brian!

I was poking around and saw this extra character template you guys have that hasn't been updated in a LONG time. So what I did was incorporate the features of this one into the regular Character Template as a Theme. If you check out Hal Jordan (New Earth), you'll see what I mean. I'll explain it more in the forums for everyone, because I think the theme thing might be useful on the Marvel Side too. (But you guys got it first) ;) Are there any other Character templates that are a one-off of the main one?

--Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 21:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I don't think there's any other weird character templates out there. In fact, I had forgotten about the Green Lantern one.


 * Though the current template updates seems to be doing some wonky things to some of the pages. Check out Harvey Bullock (New Earth) for example. This can be fixed, right? Thanks again, Nate! --Brian Kurtz 21:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea, sorry bout that. It should be all better now.  Sorry also for taking so long to fix it, I had internet problems here at home, so 11:30 mountain was the first I could check on anything.
 * FYI, if you have more Green Lantern Corps people who use the main character template, you can throw in a | Theme = Green Lantern, and you'll get the same look/options as ol Hal up there. ;)
 * Now I'll go add this to the forums.
 * --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 05:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * But soon, there will be lots of new corps...does the template support that yet? Sorry if I give you guys to much work here... The Clever Guy  Talk 10:25, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yup, just add "| Theme = Green Lantern " to the new guys while using the regular DC Database: Character Template, and they'll have the same style and options as good ol Hal. :)
 * --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 01:06, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

DC Comics Question
Hi Brian I was wondering if you could answer this question I know DC Comics is located in New York but I was wondering if its possible to go into the DC Comics building and take a tour of the place and visit and also what building is it that it is located in New York City if you don't know thats ok I just thought I would ask. Oh and since I haven't talked to you in a while how did you like The Dark Knight movie I was wondering what your thoughts and opion were. Oh and check out The Flash solo hero site I recently adopted now lucky for me I have two of my own website Green Arrow and The Flash. Oh and I still do work on DC Database the only reason I haven't been on alot is I'm trying to build up my two site and the other solo DC Comics hero sites I'm working on just in case you wondered why I've not been around in while. Well thats about it talk to you later.

From Rod12


 * Congratulations, Rod12! Tackling two Wikias is no small feat. If you want, feel free to add them to the links page. I finally got around to seeing Dark Knight this Friday past. I think Batman Begins was better orverall, but Dark Knight definitely rocked. I have no idea if the DC offices grants tours or not. I was in New York for a week last summer. Probably should've stopped by DC if I had thought of it. Cheers! --Brian Kurtz 20:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Quotes
All the quotes pages are moved into categories and the links in the templates are all updated. Let me know if you see problems. :) --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 23:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, cool! You da man! Hey, is there a way to whip up a bot to take care of the double-redirects for the quotes pages as well?


 * Oh... and on a different note, the minor character template seems to be doing some wonky things. Whenever I plug in "Kryptonian" in the nationality field, it auto-generates a category for Lithuanians. Now I've met some pretty tough Lithuanians in my day, but I'm relatively certain they don't get super-powers under a yellow sun. Here's an example of the craziness! --Brian Kurtz 23:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, looks like a bit was missing from the template that sorts out the nationalities, making all Kryptonians Lithuanians. It was probably done by a huge Superman fan who happens to be from Lithuania.   How about we make all Kryptonians American instead? ;)  And have you really met tough Lithuanians?
 * I do have a bot that takes care of double redirects, (though you seem to be very on top of that over here). What doubles are you specifically referring to when it comes to the quotes pages?  I'm gonna start poking through the Wanted Categories and see what quotes stuff I can fix.  (There's a lot on Marvel, and the whole thing looks really cool when it's all sorted out right).
 * --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 13:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think I saw what you meant, the 295 or so double redirects that resulted from the quotes pages moving. All done. :)
 * FYI, I upgraded the Conversation Template to handle up to nine quotes, so I got rid of the others. If you see this around, I guess the old form was backwards to the new form, so the names might be in quotes till we switch em. I've got a draft of these being auto-sucked up into the quotes pages on Hellboy's quotes page, so check it out and see if you hate it. :)
 * --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 20:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Awe-some! I really didn't want to fix those double-redirects one at a time. Thanks for the conversation upgrades, Nate. I did notice a few that looked kind of "off" on other pages. I'll try to keep a look out for them. --Brian Kurtz 20:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

DC Database:Why Register
The why register page says "DCDP Exclusive Benefits. We are currently working on several incentive plans for contributions to the database such giveaways or contests that only registered users can participate in." Yeah, did this ever happen? Should we remove it?
 * Roygbiv666 12:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I would think so, since non-logged in contributions have been turned off for both Marvel and DC. We can also edit the wording of any page referring to "Why Register" so it no longer talks about the need to register vs anonymous editing.
 * --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 13:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Villain themes
I was looking at this loser and thought - there's a bunch of like time-travelling/controlling villains. Should that be a category? Powers?
 * Roygbiv666 21:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, we've got Category:Time Travelers for characters and Chronokinesis for a power description. Not sure what else we might need? --Brian Kurtz 21:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * D'oh! and also, duh. Thanks.

News:DC Reacquires Archie Characters
I expect you to have complete entries created for all these characters by lunchtime tomorrow :-) Pretty cool, DC now has "their own" Captain America type. I want to see the Hangman.
 * Roygbiv666 20:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll get right on that! Don't tell my buddy though. He loves those characters and I don't need him adding pressure to me as well! If nothing else, I'm thrilled that they will part of the DCU proper and not some new-fangled reality. That should make things a little easier. Brian Kurtz 20:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I realized afterwards that DC kind of has a Captain America type hero - Citizen Steel, or the superior Commander Steel. Oh well, I look forward to them joining the party anyway.
 * Roygbiv666 20:43, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Character Original Publisher
Do you think there's any value/need for adding a field to the Character Template to identify the original publisher? Like All-American for Wonder Woman, Alan Scott; Quality Comics for Uncle Sam; and MLJ for the Shield; and so on. Of course, it would then auto-categorize as "Category:Quality Comics Characters" and so on.
 * Roygbiv666 00:53, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Smallville Movie Page
Hi Brian I was recently updating the Smallville TV Show page but I also saw that we have a Smallville Movie page and I was wondering what is the point of having that since we all know that there isn't going to be a Smallville Movie and if there is a movie with the Smallville Universe we all know its going to be a Superman movie. Oh on the issue of Superman its been anounced that the Superman Movie francise will be rebooted and the fans will see a darker Superman and I personally hope that they will use the Smallville Universe and the actors of the show since they started the orgin of Smallville and they established the key points to making a good comic book movie and that is have the orgin element and a dark theme. Well thats about it talk to you later.

From Rod12

Giant Typewriter
Hey, Brian, minor question. I noticed that you made the page for, and I've read that that's supposed to be the first (or one of the first) appearances of the stereotypical "Giant Typewriter" that people are always referencing and making fun of. I recently made a page for the Typewriter, but I haven't actually read the issue in question. If not, it's fine, but I was wondering, of the stories in that issue, do you know which one actually contains the typewriter so I can add it in? If only for the sake of, pardon my pun, keeping up appearances.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith, 20:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hrrm. Good question. I really don't know. Kinda curious abut that myself. I'll try to research it, but I make no promises. Time to hit the trades! --Brian Kurtz 02:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Character template
I've been trying to put together a version of the Character Template that lists all the available parameters and whether or not they're optional. My results can be seen at User:The Paradox/Character template. If you wouldn't mind taking a look at it and adding any that I've missed I would appreciate it. I've also started a discussion at DC Database talk:Character Template that may eventually need the attention of an admin. The Paradox 20:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You got it, my friend. ;)
 * --Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 23:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Spam much?
(I'm posting this here because I don't know what to do about it, but I feel like somebody knows something).
 * Category talk:Topic Boxes
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 07:47, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Good catch! I blocked him for 3 days for spamming, and deleted the page.  Hopefully he won't be back.
 * Peteparker 11:38, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Placeholder Earth articles
I've been thinking a lot the few days about "Placeholder" Earth articles. I've noticed that you've created a couple of Earth-storyline articles for "realities" that exist for only within the context of a single storyline, i.e. Evil's Might and Speeding Bullets. I have an alternate suggestion for how to deal with these. If you take a look at, for example, Category:Superman: Secret Identity, you can see that by treating the title of the comic or storyline as the "Universe" it eliminates the need to create a placeholder Earth article, and instead allows for a category that contains all of the characters, issues, locations and related articles specific to that alternate reality. That self-titled category then becomes the name of the "Universe" for Reality-sorting purposes. Other examples can be found with Category:Y: The Last Man and Category:Atari Force. Obviously, this works best for self-contained realities that don't interact with others, such as Category:Watchmen and Category:V for Vendetta. By going this route we don't have to come up with placeholder names/articles for Earth-whatever, since the storyline itself is the reality. Whatdya think? The Paradox 19:38, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * (Great minds think alike)
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Great points, all! I left a brief response on the forum thread. I'll add more once I've pondered the issue more thoroughly in me brain. --Brian Kurtz 21:48, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * See also User talk:The Paradox. The Paradox 22:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Mars survey
As one of the regular contributors around here, you may wish to weigh in on the renaming motion at Talk:Ma'aleca'andra. The Paradox 02:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Comic/Event Template
When you have a chance, have a look at this and weigh in. Thanks
 * Roygbiv666 23:55, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Whoops
So, one of the most difficult things about crossovers like "Bloodlines" is that its a whole bunch of different creators working separately dealing with the same characters simultaneously. I've been trying to get pages for the individual Bloodlines Parasites, but it's... really hard to figure out who's who, and there are like no good existing images of them anywhere. So I have to figure it out comic by comic by how they address each other, and upload the images myself. Anyway, either me or Louise Simonson screwed up, I'm not sure. The important thing is, Image:Pritor 01.jpg needs to be moved to Image:Glonth 02.jpg, and I need to find a new image for Pritor because it turns out he's the blue one. I'm asking you, because I believe this is a sysop exclusive ability. Could you help a brother out? Or should I ask somebody else?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 04:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, Billy. I don't believe images can be moved (or if they can, I sure as heck don't know how to do it), so I re-uploaded it under Glonth 02.jpg and credited you as the original uploader. I just deleted the original pic. --Brian Kurtz 04:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Brian. Sounds good enough to me.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 04:25, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

New Users
Hey Brian. On those rare occasions I'm on the DC Message Boards, I often put in a link to the DC Database. Are there any active plans to "recruit" new Users, particularly from Wikipedia and other online communities?
 * Roygbiv666 22:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Not that I'm aware of. Maybe there's a way that the Wikia staff can advertise the site? I'm really not sure what would be the best way for gaining new faces. --Brian Kurtz 05:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I hit up the DC message boards sometimes also. And I often find opportunities to plug us to the other regulars at my store when I'm on my weekly comics run. Personally, I found this site through links on Wikipedia. I try to add us as an external link over there whenever I notice we have better content on something. Jamie set up auto-links awhile back, Article on Wikipedia sets up an autolink to us.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 05:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

DCAU and DCAU Characters
I see that you've redirected Category:DCAU Characters to Category:DCAU. Problem is, it doesn't redirect articles from one to the other; articles are still being categorized into Category:DCAU Characters. That is an automatic function of the "Universe = DCAU" field.

I've been adopting the pagename of the show as the Universe for those characters, making the Characters and episodes categories subcats of the parent (See Category:Wonder Woman (TV Series) for an example). That also allows for separate-but-similar Character categories to be lumped together, i.e., Category:Characters by Original Publishers and Category:Characters by race or species, so if we wanted we could create a Category:Animated Characters that included Category:The Batman Characters, Category:Super Friends Characters, Category:Legion of Super-Heroes (TV Series) Characters and Category:DCAU Characters (which is itself composed of Batman Beyond, JL, JLU, Superman and Batman Characters). Granted, many of the "Universe=" fields for are a jumble of various styles right now, even within a particular show, but streamlining those is next on my list.
 * The Paradox 18:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. I just fixed the redirect so its now a sub-category of Category:DCAU.--Brian Kurtz 16:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yuga?
What is the page really about? Does it relate to DC somehow? Can we put it in a Glossary page? :)

&mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 18:10, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I haven't completely fleshed it out, but yeah... it has a pretty strong bearing on the DCU, particularly the mystical community. The Kali Yuga especially is intricately tied to the histories of Deadman, Doctor Fate, Hawk and Dove, the Lords of Order, Shazam, etc. I'm sure there's also a ton of Vertigo stuff that relates to it as well. I didn't put it in the glossary page, because when completed, I suspect it will probably be a pretty long article. --Brian Kurtz 18:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Since its kinda/sorta an event, I just slapped the event template onto it. Don't know why I didn't do that in the first place. Chalk it up to a brain fart. --Brian Kurtz 02:53, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Emerald Empress
Thanks for working on this. I inadvertantly complicated the mess by doing a page move before I realized how scattered the whole thing was and put it on my list for later. The proverbial straw was finding Emerald Empress (Pre-Zero Hour) out there too... The Paradox 23:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No problemo. I've been progressively going through as many pages as possible, cleaning up where necessary. --Brian Kurtz 00:44, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been doing the same with categories. Speaking of which, would you mind taking a stroll through Category:To Be Deleted? There's a bunch of old empty cats in there in need of euthanasia. The Paradox 07:45, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Will do, m'man. If you've noticed, I've been slowly trimming some of the fat from the TBD page. Ultimately, my goal is to clean up TBD, template the non-templated, categorize the un-categorized and convert everyone to the First Church of Zod. --Brian Kurtz 17:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I've noticed. I'm actually learning quite a lot from watching your edits.
 * And I find the prosteletizing of the Zodites to be a bit heavy-handed, what with all those demands to kneel; give me the Cult of Conner any day. The Paradox 18:05, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Bah! The Church of Zod shall remain supreme over your pithy Cult of Conner! Within short order, we shall conquer ALL of Planet Houston! --Brian Kurtz 18:10, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Houston? You can have Houston. Texas, even. ;) The Paradox 18:20, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

It's your own lives you're throwing away. I think I'll stick with the Reform Church of Krypto.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Joker (New Earth)/Gallery
Those extra images? Can we just delete them? I've sort of taken on that page and gallery as a child, and I'm striving for only high-quality Joker images, to make it the fantastic gallery it should be, and those images are sort of... fugly and weird.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not particularly attached to them, so as long as no once cares, deleted they shalt be! I support the Non-Fugliness Agenda! --Brian Kurtz 18:16, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Penciler Images
I think I screwed up by creating Category:Oscar Jiminez/Penciler Images - before realizing there were no actual images there. I'm guessing that you moved them to a more appropriate place, yes? Either way, would you delete the category if it is in fact a mistake. The Paradox 21:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. I moved them to the correct spelling of his last name. Oscar Jimenez. I'll delete the other category. --Brian Kurtz 22:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Kewl; I figured it was probably a misspelling that I just wasn't seeing. The Paradox 22:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Hyenas
Although no proper source has listed which Hyena was killed in Villains United, it's, pardon my pun, sort of a dead subject now that the other one was murdered in Salvation Run. As such, it is pretty safe to assume that nobody will ever know which one was killed when. So I was thinking, we should probably come to at least a database consensus on this one so we're being consistent for appearances of the Hyena during Under the Hood and SR. I've been assuming that Jivan Shi was killed by Deadshot, and Summer Day by the Parademons. I'm basing this on Black Mask and Deathstroke's speculative dialogue, although neither of them were sure either. Thoughts?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've always attributed all modern era Hyena appearances to Jivan Shi. So far as I know, Summer Day gained control of her powers and has since retired as the Hyena (back in like 1983 or so I think). I think the last time she made an appearance she was living in Africa and hasn't been seen since. She was never really evil to begin with, so I have difficulty accepting the idea that she could be the modern Hyena. If she has somehow gone bad again... it's certainly news to me. I'm just spit-balling, but I'm willing to wager that the Hyena (probably Jivan Shi) never actually "died" in Villains United. I haven't read Salvation Run, but if the Hyena gets clipped there, I'd bet dollars to donuts its Jivan Shi. --Brian Kurtz 23:50, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, they were both members of The Society. And Deadshot has been known to miss before, but... it was point blank, onscreen, and in the face. In Under the Hood, Deathstroke lends out Captain Nazi, Count Vertigo and Hyena to Black Mask to help him kill the Red Hood (Jason Todd). Here, I found the conversation. I believe it's from.

Later on:


 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, that's pretty interesting. I'm perplexed. I'm gonna have to hunt down that Batman issue. I try to keep track of Hyena appearances whenever possible. Now I'm not really sure which one is which. Blast! In lieu of better evidence, perhaps we should allocate the Under the Hood and Villains United Hyena appearances to Summer, and the Salvation Run appearances to Jivan? We can always change them around later if they turn out to be inaccurate. Unfortunately, that calls into question all of the other sporadic background fluff appearances such as Underworld Unleashed, Titans/Outsiders SF&O and Superman/Batman. [Shakes fists impotently] DAMN YOU DC! DAMN YOUUUUUUUU! --Brian Kurtz 01:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Hahahaha. Well, the SSoSV pulled up a lot of old out-of-work supervillains. I'm sure we can reason this out. Being deported in Salvation Run is no clear defining statement, out-of-work people like Thunder and Lightning got deported. But, let's assume that after the defunction of the Society, the frequently active Jivan Shi is more likely to continue working in villainy than the long retired Summer Day was. Do you know of any non-Salvation post-IC appearances of Hyena? That might shed some light.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The only Post-IC appearance I can think of is the GA/BC Wedding Special. I know that that Hyena is the same one who got deported to the Salvation world. I'll try searching around, see what else I can dig up.--Brian Kurtz 02:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Creator templates
Is there a non-DC staff creators template? As you might know I'm playing around in the backwaters of TV and Movie Realities, and am encountering the need for this a lot (Category:Laeta_Kalogridis/Creator). The Paradox 02:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Currently, no. But that's a great idea! Perhaps we can cobble together an alternate sorta template for TV/Movie people. Maybe call it "DC Database:TV Staff Template" or "DC Database:Movie Staff Template"? In the meantime, I've been slapping the Template:WB Staff template on the bottom of the creator's names. As for categorizing, I 'spose we just keep going with Template:Creators.


 * Oh... I re-uploaded the modern color DC logo. It should be present in all the protected templates like disambig and such. Has that been helping? --Brian Kurtz 02:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Why couldn't we just use the staff template to describe all staff? We could mod it to change the main company if we fill in a specific field, but if it's not filled in, keep the main company as DC.  It'd probably save some time as far as writing a whole new template. ..
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 13:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, Brian, it doesn't look like it has. I was using Special:WhatLinksHere/Image:Smalldclogo.jpg as a means of identifying articles still using the old cut-and-past template with the bland-and-white logo. I was hoping to get all of the image and user pages out of the way, but I forgot that the template on those pages aren't updated until the page itself is edited. I suppose most of the image pages need Template info added anyway... The Paradox 21:49, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Reality Designations

 * 1) Given what Wikipedia has to say about the Spirit would it be correct to move these Earth-Spirit characters to (New Earth) and change the Universe desigantion?
 * 2) Is there a reason why Doctor Dome can't be moved to Doctor Dome (Earth-One) now? He's only got a handful of appearances, all dating back to the sixties. It would be nice to get the Appearances category right on the first try. The Paradox 21:49, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Doctor Dome should definitely moved to Earth-One. I'm still not sure about the Spirit though. Yeah, he had a crossover with Batman, but that doesn't necessarily place him in New Earth continuity, as lots of Batman crossovers are usually considered "non-canon". I'll have to think about that one. --Brian Kurtz 23:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Animal Man's Yellow Aliens
If I'm not mistaken, Brian, you're probably a lot more aware of 52 than I am, as you were at least present for the cataloguing of those issues. Do you have any idea in which issue those yellow aliens who resurrected Animal Man appeared? Because they've just recently been revealed to be manifestations of Kwaku Anansi, the African trickster god messing with Animal Man's head (JLA #23). And we should probably get that as an appearance.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * 52 #37, #43 and #47. They appeared just as Animal Man was resurrected from the dead after being poisoned in issue #36. To my knowledge, those are the only known appearances of the little yellow boogers. --Brian Kurtz 00:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * They figured pretty prominently during portions of Grant Morrison's run on Animal Man Vol 1. I think they may go all the way back to his first appearance in Strange Adventures, but with all the retcons it's hard to remember. The Paradox 05:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

More questions
If you don't mind...
 * 1) I'm not real impressed by the image upload process. For example, how do you get the Image Template in your initial upload? I have yet to find a way short of cut and paste.
 * 2) Would you mind looking through Category:Images Templates and see if there are any of which you are aware that haven't been included? I'm aiming for a one-stop shopping kind of thing.
 * 3) I finally realized you use a different format for naming cover images than the naming conventions use. Would you update those conventions, since your formatting probably is the standard now?
 * 4) What the difference between the various Move templates and how do I know when to use one v. just moving the page (and subs)? Are any of them patrolled by a bot? The Paradox 05:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, the only way to generate the template on the initial upload is with the "Licensing (Required)" dropdown menu. That will let you categorize it for a comic cover or screenshot or what have you, but for anything else, you'll have to edit the image manually. Kind of a pain.


 * All the move templates will categorize to the same place. The only real difference is in the verbiage. Template:Move2] is if a character's full name is unknown such as Clock King II (New Earth) and Template:Move3 is if a character's reality is unknown.


 * I hope these are the answers you were looking for. You'll have to excuse me. Insomnia is kicking my ass tonight, and I'm feeling kinda loopy right about now. --Brian Kurtz 06:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Heads Up
I noticed that you're still manually inputting the creators category on Minor Characters, so I thought I would let you know that you still have to manually add in the field, but it's a part of the template now. Also, for both character templates, you no longer have to link to the issue for the first appearance. In fact, it's better if you don't. If you just put down the raw name of the issue, using the pound symbol (i.e. "Detective Comics #27") it will automatically link their using Template:Cnst, and even draw the month/year onto the page from the comic issue page if it exists.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, cool! That'll save a lot of time. Thanks for the heads up! --Brian Kurtz 22:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the Cnst thing is cool, but the first appearance does it even more automatically. Check my recent edit to Gorgon (Earth-8).
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sweet! A new learning curve every day! --Brian Kurtz 23:03, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:Expand
For those articles that contain a very short History or Summary section. The Paradox 09:32, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

HA! That's great! And doubtless will come to a lot of use! --Brian Kurtz 17:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Earth-AD sentient animals
I've been meaning to ask you about the Animal Men v Animal People naming scheme. When you moved a bunch of them from Animal Men to Animal People, was this based on info in the 70's comics themselves, or was it from some sense of anti-sexist political correctness? (Kinda like "where no man has gone before" morphed into "where no person has gone before.") I'd prefer that they have the designations given to them in the comics, and be consistent across all the species, but I don't have any personal knowledge of the original-run issues of Kamandi. The Paradox 18:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was being PC about the whole thing. Mostly because I have seen some evidence of female members of the various species, though their appearances are rather scant. I don't believe that they actually have an "official" name for the various races though. I'll double-check my Kamandi Archives and the few issues that I have just to be sure. --Brian Kurtz 19:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Jay Garrick (alternate)
Do you know anything more about this one? Have they revealed anything about the reality? The Paradox 10:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll try to find out. I have the issue around here somewhere. It's just a matter of finding it. If nothing else, we should definitely mark it for a move. --Brian Kurtz 22:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Just re-read it. Unfortunately, the issue yields next to no information about this guy other than his name and that he is from an alternate reality. Since his appearance coincides with Infinite Crisis, I tend to think he might be from one of those transient interregnum realities that Alex Luthor created. --Brian Kurtz 03:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking. Maybe Wally said something about it in the pages of Flash... The Paradox 04:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Metahumans
Thought I'd give you a heads up about an easy way to get metahumans to auto-cat; simply list their "AlienRace = Metahuman." See Colin Brandywine (New Earth) for an example. The same thing works for Human/Alien Hybrids. The Paradox 23:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool! Good to know! Metahumans will also auto-cat in the Origin field as well. --Brian Kurtz 23:14, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm not sure that's true. Look at this version of Colin Brandywine (New Earth), in which Metahuman is in the origin but not Race field. At the bottom of the page, I'm not seeing a Metahuman cat. (Or category.) That's what caught my eye and why I added it to Race. The Paradox 23:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * (Not the breakdown all the way at the bottom, but the category list at the end of the article.) The Paradox 23:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Weird. It used to add it automatically. Mebbe something changed with all the template updates. Not sure. Good lookin' out. --Brian Kurtz 02:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed! Sorry about the temporary Metahuman autocat outage. Hybrid now puts the character in the Human Alien Hybrid Category as well.
 * Cheers!
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 06:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Not a good idea with Hybrids - there are other types than just Human/Alien, especially in the LSH era. Would somebody please remove that bit? The Paradox 21:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Gallery Categories
Would you add to each of the following protected category pages?
 * Category:Character Galleries
 * Category:Cover Art Galleries
 * Category:Fan Art Galleries

That will force them to appear on the first page of Category:Galleries.

I'm still trying to figure out the relationship between the various Image and Gallery categories. I asked Nathan a few days ago to shed some light, but since you work with images so much perhaps you would be better situated to help me understand. The Paradox 21:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Hyena
I know we were talking about this on your old talk page, but I couldn't access that right now (idk why, not important). Anyway, first of all, I just made a page for Villains United 3, the death of the Hyena we've been wondering about, so I suppose we should probably make a final decision on this. Anybody else watching this page, I encourage you to jump in on this one also. Anyway, both Jivan Shi and Summer Day are supposed to be dead. Here are their two deaths, I owned both of the comics, so I scanned both of them in:


 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:02, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Hrrrm. Tough call. I'd hate to make an arbitrary decision, but in lieu of better evidence, I guess we'll have to. I propose we make Summer the Villains United final death and Jivan the Salvation Planet final death. On their respective pages under "Final", we should probably include a footnote indicating that it is unclear which Hyena is which. Personally... I think this is just DC screwing up and not paying attention to their own continuity.

Oh... and the previous discussion can be found on my Archives page. My talk page was gettin' kinda long and I wanted to trim the fat, so to speak. --Brian Kurtz 19:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

superman page
Hey Brian can you do a favor revert the Superman page from "the Paradox" edits whose is jumbling all the entries together and LOCK the page from anymore of his edits as I am starting to get a little tired of this back and forth. I tried talking to him but it seems I have all the social skills of a dead mouse. Maybe I should go away again for a few more months.

I do not want todo a another edit war as I had with the Power Girl and Earth-22 Superman pages.... Kal_l_fan 11 October 2008


 * Which Superman pages, specifically, are you referring to?


 * Oh... and we might be separating Kingdom Come Supes from Earth-22 Supes in the near future. Hopefully that'll ease some of the problems that I've seen going on with that page. --Brian Kurtz 05:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah the main Superman disambig as you can see.
 * I see you or someone else got the preview copy of JSA 21 or the Kingdom Come special as to what Alex Ross intends to do this version Kingdom Come series.
 * I am still going to wait until the final versions of the books are released pending my earlier agreement regarding those pages.
 * Kal_l_fan 11 October 2008


 * So Brian so is it decided that the main Superman page is to remain in this disorganized format? I'm asking because I do not want to start a ping pong edit war.  If this is what you have decided so be it.
 * Kal_l_fan 11 October 2008


 * Well, admin status aside, its not really my place to make a final decision, as the Superman disambig page will doubtlessly evolve as more characters are created and more information is provided. That's the beauty, and yes, sometimes the detriment of a community project such as this. I appreciate that you don't want to start a ping-ping war, I'm pretty certain that nobody really does. All that would yield is frustration for all parties, and ultimately make the Database a less-fun place to be. Again... something that nobody wants to see happen. Currently, I echo Mrblonde267's sentiments as written here. I think that something this broad involving such a major character should not be decided upon arbitrarily, and should probably involve the entire community. The forums would be the best place for this. Please, feel free to start a forum topic on the matter. Perhaps even some of the editors from the Marvel side of the fence could give an outsider's perspective (so to speak). --Brian Kurtz 17:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Earth-AD sentient animals follow-up
Just wondering if you've had a chance to reference your Kamandi Archives yet to determine whether they were called Animal Men or Animal People. I'm holding back on templating the Kamandi comics until it's confirmed one way or the other. No hurry, though, as there's plenty of other articles to work on in the meantime. The Paradox 02:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I haven't looked yet, though I'm glad you reminded me. I'll have to wait a little while though. The book's in the bedroom and I don't want to wake my wife up. --Brian Kurtz 02:11, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Superman Annual/Covers
Fyi, I just sort of revamped that gallery and added a whole bunch of new images, including some new versions of old ones you had already uploaded, but with different names to follow the convention. I also went around and replaced a bunch of your covers while I was at it. Do you mind? If you do, my bad, I'm just like really getting fiercely into Annuals right now and I want them all to be named the same way. Just thought I'd pay you some face time on this one in case you care.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No prob. I prefer having all cover issues follow a common naming convention anyway. --Brian Kurtz 02:11, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

User page stuff
I guess the User Page Template hasn't been updated to include the category of images in the See Also, so here you go. The Paradox 05:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Category:User:Brian_Kurtz/Images

Suggested Change
Earth-Nolan > Nolanverse?

Earth-Burton > Burtonverse?

Thoughts?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, that sounds pretty good. Helluva lot better than Earth-Nolan and Earth-Burton. I'd like to get User:The Paradox's input as well, but otherwise I say let's go for it.


 * The only problem with this naming convention I foresee, is what if a director directs a future unrelated DC Comics film project? Ala "Tim Burton Presents: Ambush Bug - the Movie!" (which personally, I would love to see). Is that something you think we should worry about, or should we just wait and cross that bridge when we come to it? --Brian Kurtz 19:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll admit to some reluctance about having an entire reality named after a real-world person, rather than some other common denominator. It also runs into problems when the directorship changes halfway through the franchise. But given the two (three if you count the serials) movie continuities for both Supes and Batman, I don't really see a better solution, and, as Brian says, "Helluva lot better than Earth-Nolan and Earth-Burton." The Paradox 20:26, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Knightfall
Brian, it was you who did all of that excellent work on Knightfall, correct? Well, as a part of my campaigns in both the Crossover Stubs and See Also Templates sections, I'm trying to make big crossovers a lot easier to navigate around as I come to them. I was wondering how you would feel about a new template for Knightfall, along the lines of the other crossover stubs. The new one I made looks like this:

Anyway, just asking for your input on it before I go around substituting it on all of those old pages. Anything you think I should add/change?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:05, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Tangentially related to that is Category:Batman Templates, part of the effort to bring some logic and order to the stubs and templates. Eventually the goal is to have centralized categories for all major characters and teams. I'ts just too difficult to find them in the various continuity, character, topic boxes, navigation, etc. categories. The Paradox 00:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks great so far, man. These templates you've been belting out have really spruced up the pages! I can't think of any suggestions just yet, but if I do, you'll be the first to know. --Brian Kurtz 03:17, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds cool. And actually, that time it didn't have to be deleted, I originally just laid out the full thing on the page but the Paradox added some extra code to it to make it... do that thing it did. And thank you, I'm glad you're enjoying them.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 03:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think of it as Template Link, written Foo, that produces a clickable link to the template specified. I forget about it a lot. The Paradox 03:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:Supporting Characters
Supporting Characters It's been six months since it's creation (and only edit), and nothing links to it. Was this going somewhere, or is it one of those ideas that just never got off the ground? Trying to trim the redundant and unused templates, and this might be a candidate for "buh-bye." The Paradox 15:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahh, yes. I remember this. This, as well as Featured Characters was something I was experimenting with, but couldn't get it to work the way that I wanted it to. The purpose behind this was to create a collapsible character list for comic issue pages where the cast of characters is ridiculously long. See Infinite Crisis Vol 1 6 for a good example. Let's not dump it just yet... I want to see if Nate can possibly tweak it so that it will fit well within the comic issue template. --Brian Kurtz 15:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay. I'm actually starting a list of "questionable" templates to bring to people's attention so I'll just add this one and tag it for Nathan. I'm gonna have to quit fooling around and really learn the coding soon. :) The Paradox 15:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I just left a message with Nate. Hopefully, he can tweakify these templates and then we can start putting them to good use on select comic pages. I foresee these actually becoming useful what with all this Final Crisis stuff. --Brian Kurtz 15:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Great message, and an even greater idea. I've come up with two drafts.  They're not exactly what you had, Brian, but they look exactly the same as the template now, with the show/hide functionality.  Check out  for two ways I involved the idea there.  First, we could break up the sections into specific templates, like you had,  and such.  Or we can use the non-specific template, , and specify the section name for each part.  Both ways are up and working on the Infinite Crisis #6, so you guys can check it out, play with it on your sandboxes or previews, and see which way you like best.  It's really a great idea.


 * A lot of times, people are looking for the synopsis of the issue before they care about who's in it, but the appearances section tends to balance out the infobox better than the synopsis, so that was the basis for why it came first. With collapsible sections, we really get the best of both worlds.  It might be something we think about incorporating across all the comic templates in time.


 * Let me know what you think. :)


 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 21:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * This does look like a really cool idea, but can I suggest that we don't use the featured characters one? I think if you have so many main characters that you need to retemplate it, maybe it's just time to bump a couple of people down to 'Supporting Cast'. I kind of like seeing the appearances section first, because it gives me like a rough idea of who's important in the issue before I read anything else.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:23, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, these look GREAT so far. Can't wait to see what else you do with 'em.


 * Billy, I agree. That's why I think we should only use this idea on specific issues. Some stuff though, like Crisis, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, etc., it becomes kinda tough to determine who's a "feature" character and who's not. --Brian Kurtz 22:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * We could also do multiple columns to shorten the list instead. Would that be something you're interested in?
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 07:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Template work
It's still being compiled, but you may be interested in what I've found so far. I've already pointed out the duplicates to Nathan since you and he are responsible for most of them. I'd rather there only be one template for each function, primarily to make things easier to find for new users by reducing the sheer number of templates. As a relative newcomer myself, I can assure you it's not easy. It's taken me this long just to confirm that there are duplicates. Before that can happen, however, there needs to be some agreement on the names of the categories they populate. The Paradox 06:18, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The first two you addressed can definitely go. Criminal character infobox and Superteambox. These were leftovers from when we merged with another Wiki. I'll let Nate address the more code-centric templates. That's more his gig than mine. I'll look into some of those other dup templates. --Brian Kurtz 06:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Image Categories
I removed the Day of Judgment subject from a couple of the covers you edited, because I try to reserve the Images/Event categories for actual panels, and not for cover art. We have no shortage of Day of Judgment images, so it's not like an underused category, and all of the crossover covers can be found in Day of Judgment/Gallery anyway. I realize though that this is one of the many personal preference related things that we don't actually have a policy for, so I'm bringing it up with you because I don't want to seem like I'm being inexplicably snitty. Problems?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No probs here. I'm just glad that we have enough material to populate a lot of our gallery pages/categories. --Brian Kurtz 01:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I thought I would also bring up something else while I was here on the subject of the Day of Judgment crossovers. Because I love help on indexing my crossovers, especially so I don't have to go out and buy every single damn back issue of Impulse. I feel like we're sort of going different directions on this one. To clarify, I like to keep the crossover stubs (i.e. Day of Judgment) at the bottom of the page, below all of the other information, instead of in the RR section. For Day of Judgment, instead I've been using DCU Magic RR, which provides Recommended Reading for the entire DC Universe Magical Community wherever it's placed, in terms of the larger storylines and volumes. Also, I try to make a list of links for any crossover I'm working on. In the case of Judgment, Day of Judgment Links in the Links and References will automatically just populate that with some of the few skimpy links I've compiled on this not that prominent crossover. It's not that important, but I know you share my OCD in terms of liking seeing fields filled out. Anyway, thanks again for your help on these bad boys. We should compare notes on crossovers more often.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Gotcha! I totally relate to the OCD thing! Though in all honesty, it probably would be in your best interest to go out and buy every single back issue of Impulse. You'll thank me later. lol --Brian Kurtz 02:13, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Move templates
Would you unprotect Move2 and Move3 for a few days in light of this? Nathan got the category and Move but overlooked the other two. Thanks! The Paradox 19:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I think I got it this time. They should be unprotected. --Brian Kurtz 19:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Seem to be - thanks. Now I would like some advice. Move2 is for Full Name Unknown characters. I was thinking of creating Category:Full Name Unknown and make it a sub of Category:Move, so that they're not mistaken for articles that can actually be moved now, but I'm wondering if I should just use Category:Identity Unknown as the destination instead. They're essentially the same, except that the latter implicitly acknowledges that we may never know the full real name while the former assumes the opposite. Whaddya think? The Paradox 20:17, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Category:Identity Unknown seems like a good place for 'em. I like the idea of sub-catting it to the Move category. Go for it! --Brian Kurtz 20:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Please offer your input at Category talk:Move. The Paradox 00:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Email
hey Brian, not sure if you've seen it or not, but do you have a response for Jamie's email to your yahoo email account? Roygbiv666 19:16, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yup, I got it. I replied back to him, though I don't know if anything became of it yet. I responded with two thumbs up. --Brian Kurtz 20:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Sam Lane
I'm aware there's some jazz surrounding Sam Lane at the moment. Something about him coming back from the dead, or never having been dead? I haven't been keeping track of New Krypton, so I'm out of the loop. But I thought at the very least I could contribute the back issues from my big Our Worlds at War omnibus, and I just got to Sam Lane's death myself. Could you do me a favor and write up some information about in the notes section on the  page, because you've presumably read the NKS, and I haven't?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:31, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * So far, nothing has really been explained. Lane's apparent resurrection was the big reveal of that issue. The only thing that is known is that he is working with Agent Assassin and that he has somehow captured Brainiac. The issue concludes with him making a deal with Lex Luthor. On that subject though... do you know exactly which OWAW issue he died in? --Brian Kurtz 17:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Duh! Never mind that last bit. You already indicated the issue number. --Brian Kurtz 17:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Gone Fishing 01.jpg
You deleted this awhile back. Can I request that it be brought back? I know it's currently not in use, but I uploaded it for a specific user template, Gone Fishing. The Gone Fishing template isn't currently being used by anyone, but it has a purpose. I understand why you deleted the image, there are just extra circumstances in this case.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Beat you to it, Bri guy. ;)
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 01:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Nate! --Brian Kurtz 12:08, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Special:BrokenRedirects
Are you aware of any reason that one shouldn't go through Special:BrokenRedirects and just delete the Comics Title --> Comics:Title Vol 1 empty redirects? The Paradox 18:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Nah, a lot of those can probably be dumped. Keep the ones with the "Merge" prefix though. Those were left over from a Wiki that we merged with and for legal reasons, we should probably hold onto those since they contain the article history of whoever originally created the page(s). --Brian Kurtz 20:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Kewl - I had a feeling you might know of some site history that would influence this. Thanks. The Paradox 20:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Justice League America
I've been meaning to look into this one for awhile now. Justice League America is just one of those teams that's sort've been in site-limbo for awhile now. What are we considering them? I've always assumed they were a sub-section of Justice League International, just like Justice League Europe was (and we have a page just for that). Do we want to add it to the Justice League of America content, though? If so, where do we draw the line between what was JLI and what was JLA? I'm not asking you to answer all of these questions, I'm just sort of rhetorically asking them for the community.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Silver Age Titles
Do you still want to try to maintain this list, given that Category:Silver-Age now exists, and there are not equivalent articles for Golden Age Titles or Modern Age Titles, or should it just go bye-bye? The Paradox 10:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Ahhh yes... I remember that page. Yeah, it's probably redundant now. It was created before we started using our current comic templates. It can be dumped. --Brian Kurtz 12:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Subpages
Do you know how to get a listing of subpages? For instance, I'm thinking of turning Titans into a disambig but want to see all the associated pages first. The Paradox 13:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The closest I can think of would be the "What Links Here" section on the Toolbox side-bar. Not sure if that'll help or not. --Brian Kurtz 13:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Team Titans reality
There's a new Move discussion regarding some articles you just created at Category talk:Move. The Paradox 20:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Block review
Would you mind reviewing the block just executed to make sure it was done correctly, was not excessive, etc.? The Paradox 22:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Feel free to give an infinite expiry time to spammers. You certainly aren't overstepping any boundaries there. Mostly, these advertisers don't return to the site anyhow. --Brian Kurtz 22:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

In The News
Any problems with me renaming this "The Daily Planet" on the Main Page? Roygbiv666 20:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That sounds pretty cool actually. The Dude abides! --Brian Kurtz 20:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Couple of Things
I don't know if you've noticed this, but the pound symbol does weird things to the appearances. Usually, it's better to just make a solo article for a character, but if that isn't worth it, then I recommend making a redirect. Because the way the appearances section works, for example, with villains like Misfit, the autocategorizing will stop at the pound symbol. So typing in Misfit will not put into , or even  , but into Category:Titans Villains, which is misleading and weird naming. The same goes for other things like Gotham City Locales. Category:Gotham City Locales is weirdly filled with comic issues. Just a heads up.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I've been trying to experiment with different ways of doing this. Definitely one of the down-sides to the auto-categorizing of appearances (especially older pages that I did before we went to that format). --Brian Kurtz 00:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I've tried one approach with Arizona that I think works and could be applied to Characters. List the location as an appearance, i.e. Desecration in JLofA #198. Make that a redirect to the parent article, i.e. Arizona. Include a link in the parent article to the Appearances, Gallery, etc. categories/subpages for the obscure location. It's a bit of a hack, but it avoids less-than-Minor articles while still allowing for the creation of a profile of the subject. With locations, I could foresee using the Appearances to create a history as it specifically relates to the DC Universe. (In WWII France, the Boy Commandos yada yada yada. In 1987, the Justice League yada yada yada.) It would be a simple matter to do the same with Characters. The Paradox 01:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, and here's another one. I've noticed you doing some good work with the See Also Templates. First of all, I'm not sure if you realize that Templates can easily be redirects. You don't have to delete old ones when you're replacing them. You can just move them. At least... I think so. I haven't done that in awhile. Also, I recently saw the creation of GL RR. We already have one at Green Lantern RR. If you want to move some information over to that one, be my guest. Otherwise, I think I'm just going to redirect GL RR to the other one. Which will allow us the shortcut anyway.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:01, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Templates as Redirects? No, I did not know that. That's pretty effing cool. --Brian Kurtz 13:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, for the crossover templates, categories are useful, but I find it best to limit category use only to actual events, not just storylines. The Navigation templates are sort of becoming extinct, but even if you're going to make a full-fledged stub, maybe you don't need to make a new category everytime? The point of the crossover stubs is, they allow for navigation between the articles. And when there are as few of those articles, so well connected as are storylines like Total Chaos and Titans Hunt (which, I believe, is almost entirely sequential), categorical navigation becomes less of a necessity. I'm just trying to make sure that Category:Crossovers doesn't get overpopulated.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, good point. Titans Hunt doesn't really need a category since its all within one title. --Brian Kurtz 20:58, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Tennessee points of interest
Just wanted to verify that you intended to list Atlanta as a Point of Interest in Tennessee. The Paradox 19:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * OOOPS! Good catch! I just fixed it. --Brian Kurtz 19:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles needing templated
FYI, since you seem to be doing a bit of templating recently, this page currently contains a Dynamic Page Listing of all properly categorized articles that still require templates. I've asked Nathan if he can run his bot to tag them, but until then this is much more complete than Category:Template Required. The Paradox 21:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, cool! That'll be really useful. Thanks! --Brian Kurtz 21:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Steven des Kelches and Reiter-Nacht/Gallery
Back on April 3, a one-timeuser uploaded a bunch of images about a character named Steven des Kelches who was allegedly a love interest of the new Supergirl. (Their contributions) The article itself was determined to be a hoax or fan-fiction and deleted, but now we've got all these images that have nothing to do with the site. I'm about ready to delete the images and galleries (including the User page and User:DemoniacSasy/Gallery), but wanted another set of eyes to verify that every single bit of this can go buh-bye. The Paradox 20:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, these are bogus articles. I had thought we had done away with them already, but I guess not. All of those pages can be deleted. --Brian Kurtz 20:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. The Paradox 21:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Vehicle Template
I'm going to start upgrading the Vehicle template to give it the same interconnectedness to subpages and categories as most of the others. Are there any new fields or other suggestions you have while I'm at it? The Paradox 18:51, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. I remember the old old template had listings for equipment, on-board weaponry... stuff like that. Maybe that can be worked in somehow? Can't really think of much else. --Brian Kurtz 19:07, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That works. If you (or anybody else) thinks of anything further, just let me know... The Paradox 19:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * So it turns out those options (Capabilities, Weapons, Onboard Equipment) still exist within the Template, but aren't part of the Standard Options or the button text. I'm adding 'em to the Standard Options template documentation, but do you know how to access the pages associated with the row of buttons that appear in Editing windows? The Paradox 20:29, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I have absolutely no idea. I've often wondered that myself. Nate would definitely know. --Brian Kurtz 20:36, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I think I'm done. Check out DC Database:Vehicle Template. If you wouldn't mind, try templating an article or two with it. See if you discover anything I've overlooked or you would like added. (I'd suggest using the Full Options copy on the template page, rather than the button until I find out how to edit that.) Let me know what you think. The Paradox 02:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm playing around with it on this page. Unfortunately, I don't know a whole helluva lot about this vehicle, so I'm kind a just throwing in some dross in place of substance (for now). I did notice though that a couple of templates still generate the History Needed tag even when a history is provided. Weird. --Brian Kurtz 04:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Is there some weirdness with Category:Wikify happening also, probably on those pages? The Paradox 04:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Doesn't appear to be. --Brian Kurtz 04:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think I found it; it was a simple -->  mistake in transcription. Mind taking another look? The Paradox 18:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like that did the trick! --Brian Kurtz 01:39, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Found the page that controls button layout. It's at MediaWiki:Common.js. The Paradox 03:06, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Family Trees
I don't know if you've thought about this for family articles, but there is Template:Smallbox as used on Allen Family. I thought it was kinda neat when I ran across it. The Paradox 19:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh wow... that is way cool. I'm experimenting right now with the Kent Family (you wouldn't believe how big their family tree is). I'll have to play around and see if I can work that in somehow. Thanks! --Brian Kurtz 19:28, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * My pleasure. I don't envy you the task, and hope you'll take a sanity break before tackling the House of El (if that is, in fact, your plan). The Paradox 19:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Whew! House of El will definitely be a chore. Unfortunately, those obscure "Tales of Krypton" stories are tough to come by. I would certainly like to see that article beefed up some though. --Brian Kurtz 19:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Team Titans
My group of projects right now includes both Armageddon 2001 and Zero Hour, so I'm running into the Teamers fairly often. Right now, our Team Titans page says that they first appeared in. On Wikipedia, it says they first appeared in (which I just made, and is a part of A2001). I can never figure out the months for any Annuals, so I don't know who to trust. And I know you've been doing some work on them with Total Chaos. I'm going to write up the synopsis later tonight, but I would appreciate your help in figuring out the continuity on this one, because I know these guys can be tricky.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm fairly certain that New Titans #79 is the correct 1st app. I do have the Annual floating around, I'll try and see if I can maybe determine a month date (sometimes the inside house ads can provide a clue). --Brian Kurtz 18:13, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, judging by the footnotes in that issue, it looks like the Annual came out the same month as Titans #79. But, the cover blurb does read "Introducing the All-New, All-Great Teen Titans", so I guess that means the Annual is the first canonical 1st appearance of the Teamers. --Brian Kurtz 02:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Condiment King
I was skeptical of this one also, but according to Condiment King it's a legit character. The Paradox 20:07, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow. Who knew? Okay, I'll resurrect those pages. --Brian Kurtz 20:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Pic request
If you happen to run across a pic of the Pussymobile (Catwoman's car) in your cavorting with images, please let me know. It's time to update the pic on my user page and Autocat is up next. The Paradox 02:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Is that really the name of her car??? I'll definitely keep an eye out! --Brian Kurtz 02:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know, but it just sounds right. :D Oh, and if you haven't already, please vote for the next Featured Article in the forums. The Paradox 02:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikification
FYI, an edit like this one to Lawrence Belmont may remove the article from Category:Wikify but it also places it into Disambiguation pages at the same time. At some point, to make the site as reader-friendly as possible, all of those disambig links should be cleaned up. The Paradox 22:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Weird. I wonder if it makes a difference, since the character lists are all (ideally) linked to the proper pages. --Brian Kurtz 22:40, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, from what I've seen the Disambig pages have some of the worst linkage problems around. A huge number of them are using old naming systems, which means that all those subpage links are consequently wrong and new pages aren't being linked at all. Not to mention all those DC Bullet and None.jpg images that aren't showing up as Image Needed. The Paradox 22:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Getting rid of Jock
I see that you've marked Category:Jock/Cover Artist for deletion. Our staff template should have the ability to pull in psuedonyms, even at the category level. I haven't looked at the code yet to see what needs to be tuned up, but I would much rather have the ability to credit people under the name they used and have the staff page tie that all together than to present information that isn't entirely accurate. If the talent chooses to be credited as Jock, or Christopher Priest, or the Stay-Puff Marshmallow Man for that matter, I think we should respect that. The Paradox 09:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, if there's a way that the template can bring all of the names together, that would be awesome. Especially where it concerns a lot of the older Golden Age guys, who were forever using pseudonyms; Edwin Alger, Mart Dellon, etc. Though, to be fair, I fear the day that I should ever have to make a Category:Stay-Puff Marshmallow Man/Cover Artist category. --Brian Kurtz 13:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Fun Fact
Superman II is on TV Land right now, at least where I am. And I have it on in the background while I'm working. Every once in awhile, in my tired stupor, I look up at the television and see General Zod. And for a second, I wonder confusedly... what is Brian Kurtz doing on TV? You're just that indelibly linked with Zod in my mind.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 04:26, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Ha ha ha! Too awesome. How's this for irony... I just now finished watching the "Zod" episode of Smallville on DVD. In fact, I'm preparing to write up the article for it even as I type this! I am the Zod! --Brian Kurtz 05:50, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Cast lists
I've noticed some problems with the removal of cast lists, which I've detailed in this addition to the category description. It's hit the Spectre in particular a few times that I know of, with one aspect or the other getting lost. The Paradox 12:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Good points! I try to keep an eye on the appearances list and make the necessary corrections as needed. Some slip past though. I'll have to keep an eye out for those gestalt characters. --Brian Kurtz 12:04, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Batch SW6
I'm concerned about a bunch of pages, but don't have the issues to confirm. ,, , , and. You have the Legionnaires appearing in those issues marked as Legion of Super-Heroes (Post-Zero Hour), but they're actually the very similar and immensely annoying Legion of Super-Heroes (SW6), who I am currently trying to straighten out. What confuses me the most, however, is Glorith (Post-Zero Hour). I can't figure out who that is. It lists her name on those pages as Lori. There's no actual Glorith in the Post-Zero Hour universe. But, there is a character named Lori Morning (Post-Zero Hour), who serves as sort of the Glorith equivalent, but her first appearance isn't until (Underworld Unleashed). I didn't know what to change those designations to, especially as there are already categories made for them.

Oh, and if you go back and change these, keep in mind, not all of the Legionnaires on the SW6 team are actually SW6 products, some of them just joined up afterwards. Watch out for Dragonmage, Computo, Kid Quantum, Catspaw, and Chameleon Boy.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Glorith is in many ways like the Time Trapper, having been revamped to take his place in post-Pocket Universe Legion lore. Her origins, originally known, became unclear, with some hints that she was a time-displaced Lori Morning and others that she was the post-somethingorother Time Trapper. Both TT and Glorith seemed to be somewhat immune to the Reality warping of the DC Universe, with at least TT showing knowledge of the Pre-COIE multiverse and it's various revamps. You might want to check out the Legion Wiki to see if they can offer any detailed insight. The Paradox 21:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I friggin' hate the Legion. I can't make heads or tails of their continuity. The Valor issues you spoke of Billy, took place right around the time that they did one of their continuity hiccups. I was kinda just skimming the issues when I created those pages, and I don't have all of the chapters of that particular storyline. In truth, I was laid up in bed with a busted leg at the the time and those were the only comics within arm's reach. So yeah, basically what I'm saying is, I'm of little help at all. If I dig 'em up again I'll try to see if I can understand it a little bit better and offer some insight. Friggin' Legion. grumble grumble grumble. --Brian Kurtz 13:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't have the Valor issues handy right at this moment. But if the pages become too controversial, perhaps we can just un-link the character listings for the nonce until such time that we can adequately confirm the identities of said characters? --Brian Kurtz 13:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I hated the Legion too, Brian. But I have recently become enamored with them. I'm trying to get this whole continuity cluster&%ck uploaded and explained, so that nobody will ever have to deal with this again. I'm going to go ahead and correct those issues to mention the SW6 Legion, and I'm going to switch the Glorith in those issues to Glorith (Pre-Zero Hour). The possibility of her being Lori Morning can be addressed on her page, which will account for any confusion. In, Brainiac 5 reveals that their reality is so in flux, that towards the end of the original Legion's run, reality is just literally changing at random. There are actually some scenes where a character will be holding a conversation, and then literally change into another character mid-sentence, and nobody else even notices. It's Zero Hour's fault, really. Zero Hour sometimes just really makes me want to cry. But I will persevere! I will track down the tie-ins, and I will make sense of this damn crossover, and so help me, I will find a way to make it understandable and presentable, and I will make it my bitch!
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL! You're a better man than I. --Brian Kurtz 16:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Gotta admire anybody willing to take on COIE, the Mordruverse, Glorithverse AND Zero Hour, two different reality-altering bad guys, two millenia and three different legions of Legion (not to mention Giffen's artwork). The Paradox 19:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Category:Gruesome Deaths
Can we just make the gruesome deaths go away? It was created and populated by one person on one day back in April. Other than you reverting a couple of my discreet removals, nobody else has used it. I don't like it because it's totally a personal judgement call - what's gruesome for one is run of the mill for another. (Personally I tend to think all death is gruesome, but in a matter-of-fact sort of way.) We just can't ever have a clear set of criteria, and it ends up being one person's call - in this case, literally. The Paradox 06:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it is kind of subjective, and doesn't yield too much information. It's hard to justify keeping it. Though, I certainly appreciate the spirit in which it was created. Personally, I think DC has been kinda bloodthirsty with its portrayal of characters for the past six years now. I have no objection to doing away with it if nobody else does. --Brian Kurtz 13:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Kewl. I'll tag the category and if nobody objects in a week or two... The Paradox 20:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

DC Fan Fiction
Hey guys,

Just a general message for you big-time DC Admins, the founder of DC Fan Fiction wants you to know that if you run into any users who would like to create their own DC characters or comics and stuff, you're more than welcome to point them to the DC Fan Fiction wiki. (They're not having much luck generating new contributors). Didn't know if you guys knew about this option, so I'm putting it out here.

&mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 15:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, that's awesome! Occasionally, we do come across some fan-fic that we have to end up deleting. It's great that we can point these guys in a new direction to explore their creativity! --Brian Kurtz 15:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Very short articles v Glossary entries
As I chip away at the articles needing templates, I find myself perplexed as to how one determines what should be a Glossary entry and what should have an separate article. In fact, the entire Glossary is a bit of a mystery to me. Can you help pull back the veil? The Paradox 22:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If I may, I'll chime in, and probably not answer the question. :)
 * In the past, I'd put anything that needed a short explanation but didn't fall under a specific template into the glossary. Like a big miscellaneous pile of short explanations for things.  So that's my best interpretation of what's supposed to be there.  Of course, this was long before Templates like a Concept Template came into being.
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 22:13, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I've always subscribed to the "User discretion" train of thought when it comes to glossary entries. So no, there's no actual rule per se, but I think there's definitely some articles that could prolly be better served as a glossary entry than a full article (Colt Revolver and Supermanium spring to mind). --Brian Kurtz 23:03, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually those answers do help a lot. Now that I know the history, I'm inclined to go with the Item or Vehicle template in most cases because of the built-in category magic and the auto-links to Appearances and images. The Glossary pages don't do that, do they? So there's potentially a lot of uncategorized items and such, correct? I'll also make the Notes and Trivia sections invisible if empty in the appropriate templates to reduce the clutter on those pages. The Paradox 23:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Day of Judgment
When I'm doing an event, I like to have it done as thoroughly as possible. Annoyingly, almost as if somebody else in the world actually cared about it, I can't find any of the Day of Judgment tie-ins in the back of my local store. Having personally seen to very full-looking pages for all of those crossover issues, I assume that you have read and are in possession of them. I was wondering, would you mind writing up a brief synopsis on the Day of Judgment page of events beyond the core issues? I was thinking a heading like "Around the DCU" in the history section. Something like,

Around the DCU

 * Superboy clashed with Etrigan, and they yadayadayada.
 * The Titans dealed with some shit involving Raven.
 * Impulse acted like a fool, as usual.
 * Aquaman did some fourth thing.
 * 

If this would be too much of a hassle right now, then don't worry about it. I would just like to close the books on Day of Judgment, so I can look at it, say "Yep. Our article is complete, and better than anybody else's anywhere." And then move on with my life.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:20, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't have many of the tie-in issues, but I do have the regular mini-series. I'll see what I can do to start putting something together. --Brian Kurtz 19:42, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, then. I have the miniseries as well. If we don't actually own the tie-ins, I'll just try to piece it together myself. It's not like this is going to be particularly in-depth. Just a little piece of bulleted centralized information. Don't worry about it, I'll get this one.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

See Also Templates
Minor tip. While working on things like that arc in Batman Confidential, I noticed you deleting the recommended reading in favor of the Batman RR template. For many Batman Villains, I've also created individual SA Templates. In the case of the current arc you're doing in Batman Confidential, I would remember to throw in Joker RR.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, cool. Will do! --Brian Kurtz 15:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Complete Issues
I'd like to nominate for inclusion.

How'd you feel about moving this out of User space and making it part of a semi-formal Quality Assessment process?
 * The Paradox 07:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Firestorm #1 it is. We can definitely make this semi-formal. Not sure how to go about doing it though. --Brian Kurtz 11:32, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Easily enough, I think.
 * 1) Move it to DC Database:Quality Assessment or some similar name
 * 2) Set the criteria for various article types (you've done a good job with Comics so far)
 * 3) Create a space for nominations (I think two sets of eyes to go over a detailed criteria set is good), possibly linked from the Main Page or via a site header
 * 4) Find some little way of acknowledging and categorizing the articles that pass muster - a gold star, a template on the talk page, something. Maybe appropriate the Featured article tag I've seen scattered about...
 * 5) Consider some mid-level assessments, whether they be a letter grade like Wikipedia uses or some other system, and target them for improvement

But all the while keeping it loose and informal. Somebody works on an article and nominates it, somebody else takes a look, maybe tweaks a thing or two, and slaps a gold star on it. End of story. Readers come along and want to see the best articles we have, there's a whole category of them.

The overall goal is, of course, to get people focused on creating quality articles and not just stubs. The Paradox 12:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds great! I say lets run with it. This ought to prompt some lively discussion as to what the quality standards should be (mine admittedly are pretty strict). --Brian Kurtz 13:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Not strict enough, apparently ;)

 Hello,. You have new messages at DC Database talk:Quality Assessment's talk page.

Time Commander
I've noticed that he keeps on getting listed as Time Commander (New Earth) for the categorization. Actually, there are two of them. John Starr (New Earth) was killed during 52, and the current one is Sterling Fry (New Earth). Wikipedia has a pretty solid article on the character here.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, sweet! I never even hoid of this guy. I'll have to go back and make some changes on some of the articles. --Brian Kurtz 20:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Year Appearances
Is there some way to bring Category:Years into the mix? Every time I look at that I get the impression of some little bywater that's out of the mainstream traffic flow. The Paradox 14:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I just sub-catted it to years. Not sure what else we could do to un-bywater it. Any ideas? --Brian Kurtz 15:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Fall of Metropolis
Do you know anything else about this event? I would like to make a crossover stub for it, particularly because I was forced to do one of the issues that coincided with Worlds Collide, but I couldn't find any information on it anywhere. The vague information I had is based on an intense examination of cover galleries. If you don't have any immediate information, then don't worry about it. But you're like the Superman Guru around here, and I don't know who else to turn to.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:13, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll keep this one in mine. I've actually been aching to doing some Fall of Metropolis stuff anyway. Long story short: It's basically when long, shaggy-haired Lex Luthor clone's body began destabilizing and he was dying and decided to take all of Metropolis down with him. It climaxed in Action Comics #700. --Brian Kurtz 01:59, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

My biggest problem is with the issue list. Not actually owning any of them (except for the WC one), I have no idea whether or not I'm missing anything.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll double-check for the correct order, but I think the "Battle for Metropolis" was actually the lead-in story. Don't know if you want to include that in a template or not. BoM was Action #699, Man of Steel #34, Superman #90 and Adventures #513. I'll see what else I can dig up on the actual Fall of Metropolis. --Brian Kurtz 15:53, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah-Ha! I've got the pecking order now. Fall of Metropolis actually begins with Action #700, continues in Man of Steel #35, then Superman #91, then Adventures #514 and concludes with Action #701. MoS #35 has an incorrect triangle # on the cover. It says 28/1994 when it should actually say 27/1994. --Brian Kurtz 03:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Could we possibly merge the two? I feel like that information should be centralized in one place. I'll leave that one up to you though, it's really your article. I put together Battle for Metropolis and littered it across the pages, in case you hadn't already noticed. Thanks a lot though, it just feels good to get that template out of the way so I can go on with my life.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 05:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * heh heh. I know what you mean. Like corn stuck in the back of yer teeth. I'm gonna start combing out the Fall of Metropolis stuff (probably tomorrow, don't have the energy to begin tackling it right now) so I can refresh my memory. We'll see if there's enough of a difference between the two to warrant separate articles or if they can all be mushed into one. Having just re-read BfM, it does kinda end anti-climatically. Like a mid-season cliffhanger. --Brian Kurtz 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Comics by letter categories
Just in case you're tempted, I'd like to request that the new categories of comics by letter (Category:Comics:A, etc.) not be created until I can get some help figuring out why the Comic List template isn't allocating them properly. Eventually I hope to see these categories replace the equivalent hand-crafted pages (Comics A), as an automated set of categories will be better at maintaining this type of information IF the template can be fixed. The Paradox 20:55, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No problemo. I was curious what those were about. --Brian Kurtz 20:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

C and comic book references
Reference formatting is something is obviously of some importance to you. There's a section on Billy's talk page about C, comic book references and formatting. I directed the initial comments to him because he objected to an earlier attempt using Cnst, but I might as well get your feedback also before raising it in the forums. The Paradox 22:44, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

L.E.G.I.O.N.
I'm thinking about dropping the dates from the L.E.G.I.O.N. and R.E.B.E.L.S. comics, because it's annoying, and it doesn't really do anything other than make navigation more difficult. Not to mention the annuals each having congruent numbering but technically not belong to the same title (see: LEGION '01 Annual #2 (Armageddon 2001)). Would you have a problem with that? Also, this made me smile.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No, that sounds fine to me. Those dates are a supreme pain in the ass. Go for it. --Brian Kurtz 17:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * One more thing. I don't know whether or not you've heard, but within the next couple of months they're coming out with R.E.B.E.L.S. Vol 2. Do you think we need to have separate articles for L.E.G.I.O.N. and R.E.B.E.L.S.?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If they're different from the originals, then yeah, I guess we should. Up until now, I just kept 'em squashed with LEGION since they were more or less the exact same group (and only for fifteen issues). --Brian Kurtz 02:22, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Aquacave
If you happen to run across a good image, the article could really use one that doesn't have the Cartoon Network logo on it. The Paradox 03:04, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * How about this one?
 * Roygbiv666 03:07, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, that works for me! I'll start cropping it out. --Brian Kurtz 03:09, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Green Arrow Question.
Hey Brian haven't talked to you in a while. How have things been did you buy The Dark Knight DVD like the rest of everyone else I just got it in the mail from Amazon this week. I hope the movie gets nominated for an Oscar with Heath Ledger for best supporting actor, Nolan for best director and of course best picture. You and DC Database have done alot of work since we last talked adding to new staff members and you guys have update alot of pages nice work on the recent Aquacave page update it was in need of good image I still thinks we should find more images of the Aquacave I try and search for a really good image. Since I last talked to you I told you I added a web site to the already two I run which are my Green Arrow and The Flash wiki sites. I created a site for The Martian Manhunter so now I have a total of 3 sites I run its alot of work but I still have time to come on DC Database and try to do the normal amount editing work. I've been updating the Smallville related pages do want me to create a page for Smallville Legion and there is some new Smallville news that Zantana will be comming to Smallville which will be interested to see oh how did you like how Doomsday turned out on Smallville I thought it looked good I wish they showed more of him. Oh on my Green Arrow site I'm working on creating a Oliver Queen relationship or a page that deals with his friendships type page and I was wondering beside his relationship and friendship with his family Black Canary, Red Arrow, Speedy, Green Lantern Hal Jordan, The Flash Barry Allen and his relationship on the tv show Smallville. I was if you could tell me any information or knowledge you have on some his friends like Eddie Flyer, Dective Andrew Lopez, Dective Jim Cameron, Frederick Tuckman and any other JLA Members. Oh and if there is any type of information on any of Oliver Queen's girlfriends that are significant and not minor and the same with his friends. If you could think of any info that would be great talk to you later and keep in touch and if you could visit my Green Arrow, The Flash and The Martian Manhunter sites any tell me what you think.

From Rod12


 * Hey, Rod. Long time no see. If you'd like, why don't you put the links to your pages down here, on the links page. That way, everybody can check out your work.


 * Just bought the Dark Knight blu-ray today (funky Batpod edition). Gonna check it out tomorrow afternoon. Been so stoked to see this again.


 * I would probably hold off on doing any Smallville: Legion pages until the episode actually airs in January. Though any images you come across are more than welcome.


 * I'll have to go back and research some of those GA characters. Been a while since I read those issues.


 * Take it easy! --Brian Kurtz 01:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Comic List and Comic Category
So I'm really liking the autocat functionality of the new and improved Comic List template and would like to give the category template the same kind of treatment. Your thoughts? The Paradox 03:53, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I gotta admit, I really dig the integration of the original template with Billy's infobox. Adds just the right amount of pizazz to what would otherwise be a pretty boring looking list. I think the auto-category options are pretty cool, though I'm a little unclear about the best way to approach them. Under featured characters, should we list a character's generic name (Aquaman) or rather their actual page name (Orin (New Earth))? Check out Aquaman Vol 6 for an example. I'm hesitant to create the categories until I get a better feel for your gameplan. --Brian Kurtz 04:08, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Generic name, no brackets . This allows for autocat into Featured Titles. I specifically wanted to keep those generic so there's an automatic way to populate things like Category:Superman Titles. In case you haven't noticed, I find hand-crafted lists to be totally inadequate, usually inaccurate, completely unneccessary, ideally to be avoided and hopefully phased out where feasible. We've got a d@*n database, it's much better at collating information than us mere humans, so let's give it the data and let it do the work. (Which mean, BTW, that gallery listings are also on my hit list.) Don't worry about all the redlinked Titles categories right now - I wanted to get a feel for how it was working before creating a Template to handle those. The Paradox 04:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Gotcha! I'll hold off on the redlinks. Grrrr..... damn redlinks. How I loathe thee! --Brian Kurtz 05:02, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand. To avoid those, I believe the template is set up so that you shouldn't wikilink, well, pretty much anything in the infobox. If the Storyline/Creator/Crossover article exists it will autolink, otherwise it's stays a nice, soothing black. ;) The Paradox 05:08, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh! One more thing. Take a look at 1st Issue Special Vol 1 and All-Out War Vol 1 for examples of how I handled titles that have a range of characters, some of whom should have Titles categories and some who shouldn't. The Paradox 05:16, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sweet! That gives me a much better perception on how to proceed with comic list pages. --Brian Kurtz 05:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Comic by Title images
Did you put together this image, which is used on Category:Comics? If so, would you be willing to put together a few more? I'd like to see each letter category have it's own cover spread, so that Category:Comics:0-9, for example, would have covers of 100 Bullets, 100%, 52, 80 Page Giant, etc., Category:Comics:A would have Action Comics, Adventure Comics, Adventures of Bob Hope, etc. Which images are used is entirely at the discretion of whomever puts it together, of course. The Paradox 09:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, that sounds like a pretty cool idea. I'll add that to my to-do list. --Brian Kurtz 16:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Excellent! I look forward to seeing what covers you choose. The Paradox 18:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I hope yer not in too much of a rush. If I recall, it took me quite some time to make that one. If nothing else, I'll try to at least get one of them put together before the end of the night (depends on how much time I end up spending on fershlugginin Christmas shopping!) --Brian Kurtz 18:55, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No rush at all - I'm using the generic image as a placeholder until the letter-specific ones are ready. And on that note, I think Category:Comics:0-9 is ready to replace Comics 0 9 for all time. One down, 26 to go. The Paradox 19:02, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I got the first one done. Admittedly, there's not too many 0-9 issues to choose from, though I suppose I don't always have to be slavish to using the cover to the first issue of a series. --Brian Kurtz 13:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No you don't. First issue images are at risk of overexposure anyway, so by all means mix it up a bit and go for the "best" image for the purpose, whether it's #1 or #101. There's a poll in the forums, BTW, about what to do with the old comics by title pages. The Paradox 19:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Genres
I've started a discussion about genres at Category talk:Comics by Genre. I'm seeing some things that have the potential to get out of hand very quickly. The Paradox 18:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Forum Poll
This could use your input.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Cover Gallery in the Comic List
Are we now doing away with cover galleries and using the comic list as cover galleries as well? I ask because of things like Mister Miracle Vol 1 (and several others by this same editor). If not, would you leave a note for them? The Paradox 21:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I know that's the way they like to do it on MDP, but we've never really done it that way. Mostly I think because of the current problems we're having with loading titles with high issue runs. Without even looking, I suspect that the user is User:Darkseid01 (who usually edits at MDP). --Brian Kurtz 21:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

RE: gallery
Are you sure that the loading problem stems from the cover displays? I've had problems loading the longer titles both here and at the Marvel site that are in list format, say X-men as an example. I think the titles look nicer with the gallery flag set but I changed a couple here and they've since been put back as lists so I'm not going to spend time if people are going to reverse my work.

Darkseid01 21:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not completely sure if its the images, but I know that I've been having trouble accessing/editing the Batman Vol 1 page, whereas before I didn't. Anyway, I don't see how your work is being reversed. It's just a matter of copy/pasting information from one page to another. Otherwise, we end up with two different cover art galleries per title and that seems kinda pointless. If all the admins from both sites decide to merge lists with galleries, then so be it. So far as I know, that hasn't happened yet (and hopefully never will; what a mountain of work that would be). --Brian Kurtz 22:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

RE: gallery
Ok, I changed the Detective Cover Gallery to reflect all of the covers I've uploaded, a complete set from 27-200, but if what you're saying is true, isn't this just going to create a loading problem for the gallery section? In any event I don't see how the Gallery section and the List section differ since I can still click on individual issues from both. Setting up all those covers from the individual issues into the Gallery section just seems to me to be creating a redundant duplicate.

Darkseid01 01:00, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Origin of Santa
Have you read the most recent DCU Holiday Special? Apparently, there's like a Secret Origin of Santa Claus type thing in it, but I couldn't figure out where Superman ended and Santa began. Do we... have to consider this canon? It wasn't very clear. Normally I wouldn't bother thinking about it, but... we are claiming this as our featured article.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:46, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Personally, I always regard everything involving Santa as quasi non-canon. When you think about it, in the compressed timeline of the DCU, they probably celebrate Christmas eight times a year! Unfortunately, I have very few comics with Santa other than the Hellblazer and Lobo book that I referenced in the article. I think I have the Impulse Christmas issue somewhere. If I can track down the exact issue number, I'll add some info. Other than that... my knowledge is minimal. I am interested in seeing a Secret Origin of Santa Claus now that you mention it. I'll have to look that one up. Maybe DC should publish a Santa Claus Secret Files and Origins issue. With Who's Who profiles for all eight reindeer. That would be awesome.


 * Oh... as far as the naming convention thang that was being discussed. I have objection to moving Santa to a non-reality designated page. Old Saint Nick is kinda mercurial that way. --Brian Kurtz 12:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I just looked up the definition of mercurial, and I have no idea what you mean. Why shouldn't we remove his reality constrictions?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I suspect it's a case of a missing word - sentence structure hints that Brian meant to type "I have no objection." The Paradox 16:59, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah-Ha! You would be correct, sir. I meant to indicate no objection. Sorry 'bout that. --Brian Kurtz 17:01, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hahaha.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Aquaman Vol 2 1
I'm starting to do the QA on Aquaman Vol 2 and was wondering if you could double-check the last/next appearances for Orin. The JLA bit links to issue 243 but the text reads 245, and it seems suspicious that he would appear in a Special next and not #2 of the Limited Series. Thanks! The Paradox 19:06, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll double-check on that. --Brian Kurtz 19:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

TV Series'
Do we have a template for this? I don't remember if I've asked around about this before. But despite having only seen one episode, I wanted to make something for Static Shock (TV Series), which we currently don't have any content on, and I didn't want to use one of those weird text-only setups.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * We have the template for the individual episodes, but we don't have a template for the actual programs yet. Perhaps we can cobble soemthing together from the movie template? --Brian Kurtz 15:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Green Arrows of the World
Hey Brian its Rod I was wondering if you knew anything or you might know someone I can ask here at DC Database that knows anything any type of information and possibly a image of the Green Arrows of the World. I've been searching for some kind of information on this so called team Green Arrow was once known to be apart of but I can't find anything its like this is the Holy Grail of Green Arrow Questions. Oh and one other Green Arrow related question have you ever been able to find or know were I can find a image of Green Arrow's friend Frederick Tuckman and also basically information on him because for me thats my 2nd Green Arrow Holy Grail Question. Well talk to you later.

From Rod12


 * Tsk, tsk, drama queen. I found one. Also, can you give us citation on this GAs of the World thing? It would be easier if we could find an issue.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * First Drama Queen harsh but funny second with the picture you are great how the hell did you find it and finally here is the issue the Green Arrows of the World term came up in Showcase Presents: Green Arrow, Vol. 1 hope I helped and thanks again Billy were would this great site be without you. Talk to you later.
 * From Rod12

Haha, you know I was just kidding. Anyway, the best I could do is black-and-white, sorry, but here you go. And fyi, the citation for this is.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 03:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Billy I know you were kidding don't worry. The Black and White Image is ok its actually kind of cool looking classic comic books. Well thanks again and talk to you later.
 * From Rod12

[Pokes head in; looks around; smiles with satisfaction] My work here is done.

[dusts hands off; leaves]


 * --Brian Kurtz 14:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Isn't the host supposed to provide snacks or something? :) The Paradox 18:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry Brian what can I say the message was intended for you but I guess Billy is The Flash because he replyed quickly. Well think of it this way it was the easiest work you ever had to to do. Oh and I was wondering who was going to bring the snacks for the next meeting. Well talk to you later.
 * From Rod12


 * Hey, no problem. Billy was able to give you better answers than I could've. --Brian Kurtz 21:02, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Rod! My Secret Identity!
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:24, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * So Billy if your The Flash could you give me or any of us any inside information when were going to be seeing your movie comming out in theaters.
 * From Rod12

One shots
Are there any guidelines or discussions on how to deal with One shot issues? I'm seeing lots of incompatible formats, especially when it comes to the Title field, comic lists and categorizing. 3-D Batman Vol 1 1, Ambush Bug Stocking Stuffer Vol 1 1 and Batgirl Special Vol 1 1 all deal with them differently, for example. The Paradox 19:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think anything has been made into actual policy governing one-shots, but I think the best method is to use "Metatitle (one-shots)" under the title field in the template. The actual article name should remain the actual title of the issue, ala, 3-D Batman Vol 1 1. If anyone has any better suggestions, I'd certainly love to hear 'em. I'm hoping this method would eliminate the need to create a comic list page and comic category for every oddball one-shot that comes down the pike. Christ, Lobo one-shots ALONE would take up half the database! --Brian Kurtz 19:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

It bothers me the way we don't capitalize (One-Shots). Also, I think another heavy problem we have to consider is the Image Template data, and how it insists on making an individual volume category for each one-shots image. Could we add an overriding volume field, or maybe get all of the image templates to figure out the volume by DPL instead of reduction?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The image template is a problem. I learned this while categorizing the Lobo Christmas Special. I agree though that One-Shots should be capitalized. That bothers me too. In the past, I just stuck with it out of consistency and laziness.


 * Speaking of the image template. Is there a way that we can maybe have the comic issues categories automatically sub-cat to the meta-category? And by that I mean, when we slap the template onto an image, can we have it so that it automatically drops that category as a sub-cat of the Volume category. Otherwise, I just end up manually entering  to every Aquaman comic issue image category. --Brian Kurtz 20:03, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought we already had that. I've been thinking we should have Penciler Images etc. autocat into the category for all works by that person, rather than manually do that as well.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

We seem to have gone off an a tangent with Image Template talk...

I can certainly see the logic behind "Metatitle (one-shots)", but on a practical level there's some problems that crop up occasionally. I've discovered there's a conflict when there's more than one major character involved; Authority/Lobo: Jingle Hell Vol 1 1, for example, or any of the Lobo/Batman one shots. We'd also be fighting the tendency for uninitiated editors to think that the actual title of the comic should go into the Title field (gasp!). Then there's getting them to show up in the Comics by Title cats.

Okay, so let me give this thought and see what can be done to automate/streamline this one. Hmmm, first step is to have the Comic template auto-identify one shot issues, then maybe a One Shots template to autocat to Comics by Title that has a variable for major playas... The Paradox 20:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and Brian, I'd suggest you useIssue Images instead of Comic Images - it's got the autocat to Volume Images you want. I've been slowly switching over already. The Paradox 20:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I just redirected Comic Images to Issue Images, and I think that that takes care of that problem.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:47, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, cool. Thanks, guys. Anxious to see what ideas crop up to simplify the one-shots conundrum. Damn that Lobo. I blame him. --Brian Kurtz 20:50, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thoughts so far


 * 1) Use the title as the Title
 * 2) Comic template identifies one-shot issues and autocats them to Category:One Shots and Category:Comic Lists
 * 3) a Template:OneShot is created that uses the format  ; that autmatically cats the page into the appropriate Category:Comics by Title sub-cat, Category:Lobo (one-shots) Vol 1, Category:Lobo Titles, Category:Batman (one-shots) Vol 1, Category:Batman Titles, Category:Wonder Twins (One shots) Vol 1 and Category:Wonder Twins Titles, if such categories exist. (This would be the point to correct caps/punct.)
 * 4) The Volume page aka Comic List would be redirected back to the issue
 * 5) The Comic Category is created, and the Oneshot template is used on it as well.
 * The Paradox 21:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds intriguing. And doable. If you can create the Template:OneShot template, I'd like to see how it works. (I'm more of a "need to see it to understand it" kinda guy). --Brian Kurtz 22:03, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I understand completely. Check out OneShot, OneShotCat, and my test pages, Authority/Lobo: Jingle Hell Vol 1 1, Batman/Lobo Vol 1 1 and Lobo Paramilitary Christmas Special Vol 1 1. I haven't added the #ifexist yet to week out relink categories, and I'll probably want to change "(one-shots) Vol 1" to "(One Shots)", but other than that it's pretty much what I envision. The Paradox 23:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey... me likes! Heckuva lot better than what we currently have going on. --Brian Kurtz 23:17, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Would you mind if this thread was cut-and-pasted to Category talk:One Shots? I know I started it here, but I didn't expect it to take off so quickly and it's always strange to have major changes not show up on the most relevant project talk page. The Paradox 23:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No problemo. It'll let me archive this discussion so my talk page doesn't get ridiculously long again. lol. --Brian Kurtz 23:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Done. This can be deleted or archived at your discretion. The Paradox 00:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Shadow War of Hawkman
I've been trying to get some work on Hawkman done (pertaining to Zero Hour), but me and 'Dox noticed a problem. I was wondering why virtually every other source I go to counts what we consider Hawkman Vol 4 to be Hawkman Vol 3. The problem seems to lie in Shadow War of Hawkman, which we have marked down as Hawkman Vol 2. I know nothing about this series. Is this legitimate, or just a case of old-timey cutting corners back before we had all of our naming conventions set up? Anyway, what I'm worried about is, this is a major title, and it's looking like we're going to have to downgrade several volumes, which I foresee as being problematic at the least, not to mention the cover scans. However, I have resigned myself to this task, and I'm just waiting for confirmation to see if I actually have to do it, because, well, better sooner rather than later. And the sooner this gets fixed, the sooner I can work on Hawkman without paralyzing fear that I'm generating more work in the future. Any insight?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 06:43, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * And I'm willing to help with the gruntwork, although I think a bot might be able to handle a lot of the basic moves and such. The Paradox 06:46, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh. I was afraid this might crop up some day. Chalk it up to old-timey cutting corners as you put it. At the time I was trying to keep all my "hawks" in a row as it were. The official title is Shadow War of Hawkman. If you guys think it would be better for the sake of accuracy to move Vol 2 to Shadow War, and by extension, down-numbering the other volumes, It's totally cool by me. I'm more than willing to help out. Fortunately, I don't think there were that many Hawkman pages from the other volumes that have been created yet I've only spotted four so far (though the image names will definitely be a pain in the ass). --Brian Kurtz 13:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Appearances and X-Files
I don't know how often you check out the forums, but there's a thread on there about a new feature in the Comic template and Appearances, specifically designed to deal with characters that are the focus of another wiki. I think the X-Files were even mentioned by name. The Paradox 03:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If you're talking about an older thread, I seem to recall it. But that was also before we upgraded the template to auto-list character appearances, so that info might be obsolete now. If you're talking about a more recent thread, can ya point me to it? --Brian Kurtz 04:27, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * This.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 04:46, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, that is awe-some! --Brian Kurtz 05:26, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

GCPD Titles
As a totally arbitrary decision, do you have a preference for what label is given to Gotham City Police Department comics? The short form, GCPD Titles, fully spelled out Gotham City Police Department Titles, or some synthesis? The Paradox 23:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't matter much to me. Short form is fine. I think most people recognize that GCPD is the acronym for Gotham City Police Department anyway. --Brian Kurtz 23:26, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Comic List template button
is now available, between the Image template and Race template buttons. The Paradox 03:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, cool, I see it now. Took a while for it to become visible to me. Thanks! --Brian Kurtz 13:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Milestone crap
So, having made... 63 out of the 64 Milestone comics on this site singlehandedly, excluding recent new character appearances and Worlds Collide crossovers, there are a couple of things that have become sort of... set, and common, in the way things go with that as formatting. Firstly, rather than listing Dakotaverse as a location, which looks Ugly, please tag Milestone Comic at the bottom of the page. Also, as far as the cover images go, I know that we love to get trigger happy and flood both Character Images and Volume Images categories with covers that don't belong in them, but at least where we have a self-contained significantly large enough universe, I'm trying to prevent that. Those categories are for the most part sufficiently full with actual images, rather than duplicates of their cover galleries. Also, besides the regular See Also Links, please remember to tag the general, vague Milestone Links under the primary ones.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 04:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. No prob. --Brian Kurtz 13:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

DC Chronology
Hey Brian. You've been doing a lot of the 18th Century-type entries. SFH and I have been adding data to New Earth, fleshing out the timeline. Should we be coordinating these, or are the Century entries covering Earth-One/Two/new Earth? As a lazy person, I don't like the idea of needless duplication. Ideas? And Happy New Year! Roygbiv666 19:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, sweet. That New Earth entry is really shaping up! We could probably coordinate a lot of the 19th century stuff, since there's a decent amount of material there to cover. Not sure what to do with 18th century. Aside from Tomahawk, I don't think there's a whole heckuva lot out there. I'm still kinda playing around with these timeline pages, so nothing is really set in stone at all. --Brian Kurtz 19:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The Centuries cover various alternate universes. I guess we could/should copy any entries from Centuries into the correct "Earth" and vice versa. Basically, the Earth entry would just dispense with the table format?
 * Roygbiv666 19:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Logo images
Oftentimes, a series will go through multiple logos in one run. Or, use the same Logo for multiple volumes. So, perhaps instead of Subject Vol 1 Logo.jpg, how about Subject Logo 01.jpg or something?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that could probably work. I began discovering that when the Superboy logo was (more or less) unchanged from volume 1 to volume 2. --Brian Kurtz 19:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

New Upload instructions
Please share your thoughts at MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext. The Paradox 21:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Kong (New Earth) vs Anthro (New Earth)
Any idea who came first? Wikipedia says Anthro was the first Cro-Magnon and that "the oldest definitely dated specimen of (Cro Magnon) is from 34,000–36,000 years ago". Sound reasonable? Roygbiv666 23:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty certain that Anthro came first. I believe I read somewhere that Kong was actually a descendant of Anthro. Can't recall where I saw that. Hope that helps. --Brian Kurtz 00:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * For the record, although I know this discussion is over, Anthro came first and then Kong. This is confirmed by . Wikipedia seems to think that Kong is a direct descendant of Anthro, and I've never seen anything specifically stated about that... but technically everybody is descended from Anthro because he's the first human, so I guess.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:06, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Zod
As the resident Zodite (Zodian? High Priest of the Church of Zod?) I thought I'd check with you about merging the various Zod disambiguation pages. I don't think it serves the readers well to have more than one, with redirects for commonly used variants, e.g. General Zod. The Paradox 02:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * How Zod! I mean... how odd! I was just thinking something similar. I've been meaning to merge some of these redundant disambig pages anyway. Go for it. --Brian Kurtz 02:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Excessive disambigs are a problem all over the site. The Legionnaires alone are a nightmare.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Futuro (Earth-One)
Okay. This mook was from an Imaginary Story in, but his "real" name was "Xan-Du". Should I move it to "Xan-Du (Earth-One)" or leave it as is? Major important Friday night matters, obviously. ;-) Roygbiv666 04:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, for the sake of consistency, I guess Xan-Du (Earth-One) would be best. NOTHING is more important on a Friday than Xan-Du! --Brian Kurtz 13:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, Xan-Du ... Olivia Newton-John was great in that!
 * Roygbiv666 22:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I... I... I don't know how to respond to that. --Brian Kurtz 23:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Image:Kal-El (Earth-32) 01.jpg
Slight problem; I don' think that's Kal-El. I believe it's Bruce Wayne, from the cover of the Elseworlds publication. Kal and Barry and Diana all had variations of their New Earth costumes, usually with a GL symbol in place of their own and green masks. :( The Paradox 04:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It's Brucie. Probably confused with... Speeding Bullets?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 04:43, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Blast! I think you're right. I did get confused with Speeding Bullets. --Brian Kurtz 14:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

The Merger
I was just about to bang in the final nail on the coffin and redirect Kal-El (Post-Crisis) to Kal-El (New Earth). But it occurred to me... everybody gets emotionally attached to at least some articles. Do you want to do it, Brian? Just for the closure?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure, no prob. I was just getting ready to check on it. --Brian Kurtz 13:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * On a similar note, I just got my hands on Man of Steel, and I'm planning on merging the rest of the Post-Crisis articles as well. While this shouldn't be a problem continuity-wise with, say, Martha Kent (Post-Crisis), I can see how it might cause some complications with Jor-El. I plan on doing the legwork on this one, so I'm not asking you to do anything, but it would be nice to have your... good wishes, approval, consent, that kind of thing.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The Kents shouldn't really be a problem. I think there might be some differences with some of the family members (grandparents' names and such), but otherwise, their continuity is "relatively" the same. The Kryptonians though.... sheesh. Not sure at ALL how we should handle that one. I guess with Jor-El and such we can just split the history into two sub-sections, Post-Crisis & Birthright. I have full confidence in whatever tweaks, merges and provisos that you decide upon. Go nuts! --Brian Kurtz 19:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Sheesh, have you heard about this new thing they're coming out with now? Apparently, neither Man of Steel nor Birthright are going to be completely canon anymore. I guess I might as well get started organizing content now so that we at least have a place to put everything. I just merged Jor-El (Post-Crisis) into Jor-El (New Earth), and I'm trying out automated sub-headings (like this) to distinguish between origins.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Re: Superman origin updates: [curls up into a ball and begins rocking back and forth, sobbing in the corner of the room]. When will it end, Lord? When? [shakes fists in frustration] For the love of Zod when will it end?!? --Brian Kurtz 21:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * On a side note, that Birthright template is shweet! --Brian Kurtz 21:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Diana Prince (Earth-10)
Re: This page move: Was she actually called "Diana Prince" in the comics? The Paradox 04:28, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * So far I haven't found anything. Looking back at the edit history, I think I originally moved the page because she was identified by whomever started the article as Diana Prince under the "Real Name" section. Now, after reading the Notes section on JLAxis, I'm doubting that Diana Prince is actually her name at all. Looks like she's actually some Asgardian Valkyrie. I'm going to try digging up my buddy's Countdown to Adventures in the hopes they might shed some light on her identity. --Brian Kurtz 05:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Kewl, thanks. It took decades, but I've learned not to make those kinds of assumptions as it's one of the classic bait-and-switch tactics that writers/editors seems to love.

Now that we've got a Character Debut by Year thing going I expect to see a lot of articles that are going to need attention of the Downgrade variety, which is how I caught this one. I'd like to request that those Character Debut categories not be created until each entry has been looked at, if you don't mind. I'm currently tackling things on a Year by Year basis from both ends (amongst other approaches), so I can create them as they're verified. The Paradox 05:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm already on it. She only really makes one speaking appearance, and that's in.

"I am the Wonder Woman of the Valkyrie, and none can stand against the might of Asgaard!"

- Wonder Woman (Earth-10)


 * After that, to paraphrase, she says something along the lines of "Bla Bla Bla Bla, Odin is Great," then Forerunner hands her her ass, and Monarch shows up. So, the only name she is given is Wonder Woman, no record of Diana anywhere.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 05:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

As I suspected. So, moving it back, adding the quote (too bad the "hands her her ass" isn't part of it), and downgrading. Thanks guys! The Paradox 05:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * With the exception of Earth-22 Superman and the Tangent characters, I suspect most of the 52 Multiverse characters can probably be downgraded. I doubt we'll see half these losers ever again. --Brian Kurtz 13:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Bothersome pages
Would you mind upgrading Action Comics Vol 1, Batman Vol 1 and Detective Comics Vol 1? I've been unable to edit, or even load, those particular pages for weeks now. I keep getting an error 500 message... Thanks! The Paradox 15:20, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll give it a shot. I've been having trouble with some of the larger pages as well. But I plan on templating some more comic list pages today anyway. --Brian Kurtz 15:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It's doing the same thing to me as well. Error 500. Later tonight (when I'm on a different computer), I'll try again. We're probably going to have to start splitting up the pages. I'll begin experimenting and see how it turns out. --Brian Kurtz 16:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Grrrr. Still having trouble. Been trying this for over an hour. Blast! I'll try again tomorrow. --Brian Kurtz 03:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Damn. Still having problems. I'll keep trying. --Brian Kurtz 13:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Godiva III (Earth-???)
I created an entry for the maximums who fought this chick. I wasn't even sure that the Maximum members warranted a Minor Character entry. Does this person? Cause, if you say yes, then it's an excuse to create ones for all those dudes. Roygbiv666 23:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, and I was thinking of a "Category:Marvel Pastiches" for these crumb-bums, Americans (Earth-50) and Crusaders (Earth-One) as a sub-cat of characters. Do you think that's worth having?
 * Roygbiv666 23:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the Maximums page makes sense, but making pages for the individual characters seems a bit much. That sounds like a really good idea though, I run into those all over the place. But... maybe Marvel Comics Pastiches would work slightly better? To avoid confusion with all of the Shazam stuff, which gets parodied loads.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I tend to agree with Billy. I slightly remember this storyline. These guys were just an Avengers rip off, right? But from an alternate reality? We probably don't need character pages for them. But if someone feels like putting in the time to make them... I'm certainly not gonna begrudge 'em. --Brian Kurtz 23:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * As far as Godiva... we might just wanna merge her info into the Maximums page and dump the Godiva III (Earth-???) article altogether. These nameless realities are a pain in the ass. --Brian Kurtz 23:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Tips
"Billy Arrowsmith"


 * Hey, that's pretty cool! Thanks for the heads-up. --Brian Kurtz 01:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * On, because of the autocat, you delinked Peter Parker. It might only be on the MDP so far, but I think Nathan spiffed it up so that it won't autocat if it begins with a "w:c:". That allows us to do inter-wiki linking, without screwing up the casts.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:16, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, cool. I've been trying to clean up some of the Crisis pages, but the wikia problems have been making that a chore. I really need to start paying more attention to Nate's upgrades. lol --Brian Kurtz 12:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

server problems?
Hey Brian, are you having any trouble accessing or saving pages lately? For the past week, half the time the server drops the connection on me. Roygbiv666 18:18, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Some pages, yeah. I haven't been able to fix any of the COIE issues. Sometimes on the minor characters it'll take a few tries before it'll save also. Pretty weird. Wonder what the bug is.--Brian Kurtz 18:20, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Are the servers on Wikia or Jamie's garage? Isn't there someplace to bitch ... I mean ... report it?
 * Roygbiv666 18:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Used to be in Jamie's garage, but now I think they're totally Wikia (though don't quote me on that). --Brian Kurtz 18:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It's a wikia-wide problem, and they're working on it. We've been complaining on the forums for several days.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 03:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Brian Kurtz from Jersey??
Brian, this is Kevin....I hope this is the right Brian Kurtz, if not I apologize for troubleing you!Nivek66 15:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * NIVEK!!!!!!! Holy Crap! What's up, man! --Brian Kurtz 15:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Nivek!
DUDE! Im working at a school right now, I was surfing the web and POW! I saw your name and figured to see if it was you. How are things? I really need to talk with you and stuff! Is Billy the Billy I think it is? So many questions......Nivek66 15:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * This is so freaking wild! I'm kinda at work right now as well (shhhhh! don't tell anyone). But Kristin and I are doing A-OK! She'll be jazzed to hear from you. We were just saying the other night, "Whatever happened to Nivek?!" Oh... the Billy up above is not the same Billy that you know. --Brian Kurtz 15:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Together again for the first time!
Well Nivek is doing well....After the whole Galactus thing..wait..I forgot thats not public knowledge. Anyways, Im still in Ohio, working doing the usual. I was playing City of Heroes the other night and I thought of you and Kristen. Is there a more private way to chat so we can excahnge numbers or something??Nivek66 15:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * My Yahoo handle is headhunter32746 (or you can just email me at headhunter32746@yahoo.com). I won't receive it until tonight when I'm home though, since I'm not allowed to have instant messager on the computer I'm currently on. --Brian Kurtz 16:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll drop you an e-mail at some point this afternoon or tonight. Are you guys still living the dream in Florida? Have you talked with the Billy I know??


 * Yeah, still living the dream. lol. We just saw the other Billy and his family this past New Year's. He's expected to come back down for a few weeks in June. --Brian Kurtz 16:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

My ears keep perking up.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Heh heh. Sorry about that. Just got a surprise message from an old buddy I haven't seen in twelve years. Don't worry... we only speak ill of that "other" Billy. --Brian Kurtz 20:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey
Hey, I just got back from shopping and figured i'd give you a holla. I ave been trying to keep up with your comic conversations but it waaaay over my head for some reason, lolNivek66 02:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ha! Weird. I just replied to your email just now. What a coincidence. I added you to my Yahoo IM contact list. Don't worry about being able to follow the comic conversations, Kev. Half the time, even I don't know what the hell is going on. lol. But as you can see... yes, I'm still a total comic geek. --Brian Kurtz 02:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey, are you on?Nivek66 00:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Yo Brian
Hey, just sitting here at work doing what I do.....lol


 * 'Sup, Kev! Don't let those bad-ass kids run ya ragged. Did you get my last email reply? --Brian Kurtz 15:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I got your e-mail thanks. Tell Kris to write me, I miss you guys and want to hear from her! BTW How can I add to a chat, I saw a few guys talking about some LSH stuff and as you may recall the pre crisis Legion stuff is my favorite of all comics ever!Nivek66 05:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh yes, I recall learning quite a bit about LSH from you. You can always jump in on the message boards! --Brian Kurtz 13:09, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

The Unofficial Guide to the DC Universe
Any idea if we (DC Wikia) have ever tried to Borg-i-fy .... I mean, approach these guys to join forces? Roygbiv666 02:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, we're definitely aware of one another, but I don't think we've ever communicated beyond that. I remember somebody plagiarized (accidentally) some GLC stuff from DCU Guide a while back and we had to remove it, but that's about as close to Borgification I think we've ever come. --Brian Kurtz 12:54, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Blackest Night Story Arc and Blackest Night Prophecy
Hey Brian I was wondering what are we going to do with Blackest Night page shouldn't the page be separated and have one page for the Story Arc and one page for The Prophecy because they are two different things. Plus the story Arc is coming this summer and all shouldn't the page be separted into two different pages. I was basically wondering what we were planing here on the site to do with the issue just curious. Well talk to you later Brian.

From Rod12


 * I suppose we could make a glossary entry for the Blackest Night prophecy. That should be enough to distinguish it from the story-arc. --Brian Kurtz 20:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Brian that sounds like a good plan. Oh and did you hear that the The Martian Manhunter, Earth Two Superman and Firestorm (Ronnie Raymond) are going to be members of the Black Lantern Corps they will be joing The Black Hand and the Anti Monitor as members of the Black Lantern Corps. Well that is exciting news and it should be interest to see else appears as Black Lantern Corps members but I've also heard constant reports or rumors what ever you want to call it that Aquaman will be a member of the Black Lantern Corps and he will appear a key figure of the Blackest Night Story Arc. Well talk to you later Brian thanks for help on the question.


 * From Rod12


 * Yeah, I knew about some of the BL candidates. Caught a picture of their action figure line in the latest previews. --Brian Kurtz 22:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Man am I waaaay behind
Hey Brian, what up bro? Did you get my e-mail about Kristen? Now this is where Im really behind. After spending so much money buying all the issues of 52 and then the Civil War stuff then the DC Wildstorm cross-over then add in the death of Captain America I needed to take a break from buying comics as my wallet was running near empty. I just learned last night that the Martian manhunter is dead, the king of a vast array of mental powers is no more! I need to hit Borders book store and pick up a few trade paperbacks I guess. So how did J'Onn die and whats up with the GL corps looking more like rainbow bright theses days??Nivek66 14:28, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ha, ha. I know how you feel, Kev. I read these things every month and even I'm confused. Mister "Vast-Array-of-Mental Powers" got stabbed with a flaming sword by Libra in . Don't worry though... he's coming back soon. Sorta. In a way. Spoiler. Final Crisis #1 also saw the death of Orion. No biggie, I guess. He gets clipped all the time. BUT... guess who's BACK!!!!


 * The GL stuff has been really awesome lately. Over the past year, they've been branching out with different Corps. So far we have the Normal GLs, the Alpha Lanterns (Internal Affairs for the GLC), the Star Sapphires (they're now their own group), the Blue Lantern Corps (Hope), the Red Lanterns (Rage), the Yellow "Sinestro" Corps (Fear) and a few more on the horizon.


 * I'll check my email and get back to ya on the other stuff. --Brian Kurtz 14:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow...good things are comming!
Ok now I really need another job, holy need a new cash flow Batman! Ok where do I start...so he's back huh, I guess it was only a matter of time huh? I don't think that there are any DC heroes still dead are there, lol. Man I hope marvel leaves Jean Grey and Captain Mar-Vell dead...please dont tell me that they're not dead any more! It seems to be a very exciting time in comics now a days...finally! On another note, have you ever played City of Heroes? if not you gotta try it, I love it. Also do you know anything about DC Universe Online, I saw the preview of it and I WANT more! Finally, What do you know about Legion of 3 Worlds? It looks like my fav teens of the 30th century are back.....or are they?Nivek66 14:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Character Appearances
Is there a reason we keep deleting umbrella appearances categories? I feel like Category:Batman/Appearances would actually be very useful for navigation, instead of having to find all of them individually.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Mostly because I think these are eventually going to become a hindrence more than a help. Particularly when it comes to tracking down incorrectly labeled issue pages. At one point, I thought the meta-category worked really well. But with the upgrades to the issue template in the past year... now I'm not so sure. --Brian Kurtz 19:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Book of the Black
Hey Brian I noticed that you created the Book of Black it looks real cool I just have one question and the question is why is Sayd on the page isn't Sayd a Guardian for the Blue Lantern Corps now with Ganthet. I thought Scar and Sayd were two different former Guardians of the Universe. Scar was the one who got damaged when battling the anti-monitor and Sayd along with Ganthet were banished from being Guardians of the Universe any more and they formed the Blue Lantern Corps. But overall the page looks great and the image is excellent nice job. Well talk to you later.

From Rod12


 * Hey, thanks Rod. I thought Sayd and Scar were always the same person. To my knowledge, she's the only female guardian I'm aware of. Am I wrong in this? --Brian Kurtz 12:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey Adam I have below of image of Scar below and I also have a image of Sayd with the Blue Lantern Corps below as well. It shows there two different former Guardians of the Universe I hope this helps. Talk to you later.


 * From Rod12

I Hate Comics!!!
To Whom This May Concern: Not kept up with comics as of late nor have I followed RPG's in years, however I do remember a time when there were such a thing as.."Kev-aliens". But they're never 'sleep.

Yep, lots of time has passed since I opened a crappy glossy cover to see the adventures of drawn heroes, though I do have original art on my wall (looking at it as I type this) from one of the obscure yet talented artists of the era. The famous have nothin on this guy - the one and only plush muppet artist....Brian W Kurtz (even George the Monkey will tell you he's good!).

Anyway, just figured I'd hunt ya down....Manhattan style. Take Care, An Olde Friend

Heh.. stupid me.. fergot to put my user name... oops... Icedragonb

Images
I stumbled across this site. Looks like you can ownloa-day omics-cay. You need some kind of reader for it. Not that I would advise anyone to use this. Roygbiv666 01:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Kev-Aliens!
This just in....Kev-Aliens are real..in fact I am one of them! The secret is out and I am not alone. Here is a list of all Kev-Aliens currently deployed on this mudbowl of a planet..Jason Storm aka Deathstorm..Cosmic Kev..(First seen in the now infamous cell phone villain story arc) Nivek which is Kevin spelled backwards...Atom One, Prime Avenger, Starblazzer, Mark Marvel and any other toon that I have created on City of Heroes.....Hey Bri Guy, what up? did you get my e-mail and can you fill me in on Legion of 3 worlds, I missed the 1st two issues!

P.S. Kev-Aliens do sleep, we're just awake when we do so!Nivek66 15:42, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, Kev. I'm ashamed to say that I've never played City of Heroes. I think I have a demo disk somewhere around the house. I'll have to check it out if I ever find it. I don't know anything about Legion of 3 Worlds except that it involves the Legion from all three reboots. I'll ask my buddy about it. He's read it. I'll try to give you an update on it. Oh, btw, I just got your email. --Brian Kurtz 17:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Pardon my interruption, but I can't resist an opportunity to talk about Three Worlds. So far, the Time Trapper has brought Superboy-Prime into the 31st Century, where he's become the new head of the Legion of Super-Villains, in an incarnation that features just about everybody who's ever been anybody. Their goal is to destroy the Legion, and everything that Superman stands for. They even iced Rond Vidar. The original Legion, faced with insurmountable odds, is forced to call on back up, in the form of the two most prevalent alternate versions of themselves. (Guess Who?) Basically, it's everything the Legion has ever been up against everything the Legion has ever faced. And it's a really great read.

Also, if you want to jump in on any of the Legion discussions around the site, or start any of your own, feel free to, that's why we have talk pages. And we'd love to get another old-school Legion fan over here.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:00, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Whew! Thanks, Billy! You explained that a helluva lot better than I ever could have! --Brian Kurtz 19:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

hey
hey im new here, can help and give wat should be done here?


 * Sure, I'll help out any way I can. If you're unfamiliar with how the site works, you can always start by visiting the guidelines page. There are also some useful links that has been submitted on your talk page. If there's anything specifically you need help with, just let me know. --Brian Kurtz 21:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

DC Marvel Crossovers
For some reason, I think the concept (if not necessarily the execution) of DC/Marvel crossovers is tres cool. I've got a few articles, but think there should be a general dumping ground for all of them to be discussed, maybe out-of-universe. Any idea on how to do that? Maybe a Concept Template applied to the Category mentioned above and go from there? Roygbiv666 01:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think with our current system, the place would be at Intercompany Crossovers, but if we want a more specific page, I think a Concept Template placed at DC/Marvel or DC/Marvel Crossovers would be just fine. If somebody could write up a full-list of them, I can get to work on updating the Navigation Template. Our cross-Marvel sections have been in need of some updating for awhile, I get the sense that a lot of them were put together before a lot of our current conventions were put in place.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Legioncongruity
Hey, Brian, I keep seeing a Mon-El appearing on the cover of the Superman Titles. I don't pick up the monthly Superman, but you seem to. Do you have any idea which Mon-El it is? I'm trying to figure it out for the Legion stuff, whether they're currently using Lar Gand (New Earth) for the mainstream appearances, or if they're going back to Lar Gand (Pre-Zero Hour) in tune with the Lightning Saga stuff. I'm assuming they're using the threeboot version right now, I just want to be sure. I know there was some Karate Kid konfusion recently, which I also have yet to read about. (Supergirl Vol 5 21-22)
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 12:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * All signs seem to point towards current 31st century, threeboot New Earth Lar Gand (New Earth), although his origins mirror his pre-Zero Hour counterpart.--Brian Kurtz 12:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Mon-El
Hey Brian I figured I would lend my two cents in on this Mon-EL subject. I would say that this is the Mon-EL from pre-zero hour because the previous Legion characters that have been seen in Superman titles are from the pre-zero hour stuff. Long Live the LegionNivek66 13:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Didn't the Pre-Zero Hour Mon-El croak at some point? Or am I thinking of Karate Kid? I have no brain for keeping track of Legion characters. --Brian Kurtz 12:07, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Mon-El is still alive and well, and active in the future. Karate Kid and Una bought it during Countdown, I think. The Superman Family keeps coming into contact with both Legions. The most recent origin of Mon-El that they've given was in (which I do not own), published in April, 2007 before, but not a long time before the Lightning Saga started in June, 2007. It's especially weird because the two different Legions are each now tied to the origins of separate characters. The Original Legion is now becoming a part of Superman's origins again (scheduled to come up in Superman: Secret Origin), but the Third Legion is very closely tied into the current Supergirl, and they're having their own interactions with the present (like in the recent R.E.B.E.L.S. #1, or in ). The more I think about it, the more it looks like I'm just going to have to wait for the next two issues of Legion of Three Worlds to see how they wrap things up. At the rate they've been going, I'm sure they'll both be done by, say... 2012?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:57, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

In LO3W number 3 I believe, Brainiac 5 of the pre crisis explains that when one travels through time there is the chance that they also cross over to different earths. Brainiac then says that the Supergirl that the new earth Legion is from his earth which I think is earth zero? I got kinda lost reading Fianl Crisis but thats the way is read to me. Also Mon-El didn't die, he was sent back into the phantom zone because the cure that Brainiac-5 had created was wearing off. Also if my memory serves me correctly, Shadow Lass and Mon-El got married just before he was sent into the PZ.Nivek66 01:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Long Live The Legion!

Adventure Comics images
This category is almost entirely filled with things that belong on its cover art gallery page. We already have a way of finding those images, and I feel like the categories are absolutely flooding. I appreciate that we no longer have the same problem with the issue images, but... would it be possible for you to do just a little bit less work in this area? The source field handles issues fine without the weird autocats.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No prob. My main concern with these images is making sure they're licensed correctly. The sub-cat thing was just added flavor. --Brian Kurtz 18:27, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Reality problem
Batman: The Brave and the Bold (TV Series) Episode: Deep Cover for Batman! in this cartoon episode I have some reality problems the curent reality is the Brave and the Bold do I handel it with a in joke and name it the Vile and the Villainous. as in Owlman (the Vile and the Villainous) i like Bruce Wayne (the Vile and the Villainous) better or Owlman (the Brave and the Bold) ? --Ouroborosi 16:50, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... I assume "Vile and the Villainous" is an alternate reality within the episode? Even so... we should probably just stick with the "Brave and the Bold" naming convention; just to keep everything under one umbrella. --Brian Kurtz 20:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * As a side note... the BATB version of Aquaman is the most awesome character EVER. He's such a friggin' tool. I love it! --Brian Kurtz 12:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Brian!

Why are you changing Abigail Holland to Abigail Arcane? It's the same Person and she is Abby Holland in the Database:

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Abigail_Holland

If it must be changed, Abigail Holland should be moved to Abigail Arcane too.

I appreciate any corrections but that doesn't make any sense to me. No offense.

Regards

Beast of Averoigne 12:39, 27 March 2009 (UTC) Oliver (Beast of Averoigne)


 * No problemo. I came to realize that Abby has been mis-named. Per the naming conventions, female characters are to be identified by their maiden name, not their married name. Currently, I'm fixing all of the link-to stuff first, ala appearances, quotes, images etc. When I'm done with that I'm going to move Abigail Holland (New Earth) to Abigail Arcane (New Earth). Then I'll delete all of the redundant redirects. --Brian Kurtz 12:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, now it makes sense. ;) I didn't know about that rule. Well, thanks.

Image Subject None
If you're not already aware, Nathan just added in some extra code to the Image Template, so you can type in 'Subject1 = None' and it will remove the image from the 'Image Subject Needed' category, but not categorize it into a 'None/Images' category. This means, we no longer have to obsessively try to get every person on every single cover. We can avoid that, and be more careful with our categorizations. Huzzah!
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * SWEET! That's awesome! Thanks for the tip! I've scaled back on some of my obsessive subject inclusion stuff anyway. heh. --Brian Kurtz 17:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Green Lantern Sciencell on Oa
Hey Brian I was wondering if you could help me out with a question I have about Green Lantern's Sciencell on Oa. My question is do you know or have a list of Current and Former Members of Prisioners of Sciencell on Oa? I was hoping you could help me out I know some people who been prisoners of Sciencell on Oa like Sinestro, Vice, Lyssa Drak, Evil Star, Igneous Man, Grayven, and Alexander Nero. However I was hoping for an official list of Current and Former Members of Prisioners of Sciencell on Oa. Also I was hoping if you knew a updated and full history on the location because I thought this information would help update a key Green Lantern page that is need to be updated. I would update it myself but I wanted to try to find official information but I didn't know were to look. Well talk to you later and I hope you can help me out with my question.

From Rod


 * Hey, Rod, how's it going? Whew. That's a pretty tall order. Unfortunately I’m not all-that keen on the breadth and scope of GL history. I have no idea how many people have been slapped into a sciencell over the years. I think it’s safe to say that just about every GL villain has ended up in one at some point. If I recall, I think GL v.2 #200 shows a two-page spread of the sciencells. It would be a very ambitious project if someone were to track down every person whose ever been imprisoned on Oa. --Brian Kurtz 12:25, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

George Pe/érez
Honestly, this is one of those issues that's been bugging me for a long time. It's technically correct for us to use the accent, but is it really worth all the trouble? Especially for somebody so prominent that people who aren't as familiar with every single last aspect of the site mechanics are constantly encountering him? I mean, I have to actually keep a quick-link on my page for copy-pasting, because there's no other way to get it right, and it's... really annoying. I was thinking he probably wouldn't be too offended if we just moved the page. What do you think?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * At this point... I'm almost inclined to agree. It's perfectly understandable that most people don't realize there's an accent in his name. Same problem exists with José Luis García-López. And as I'm sure you figured out, I'm really weary of correcting these pages. Maybe Nate can whip up a bot that can moosh everything together so we no longer have to worry about it. I hope you're right about George not being offended. I'd hate to have him come after me. Which is entirely possible since he doesn't live that far away from me. [Looks about waringly for an irate George Perez]. --Brian Kurtz 18:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, yeah, there's another name that gives me loads of trouble. I think the massive convenience is worth the slight half an inaccuracy, and we can still have it accented on the 'Real Name' part of his page. So, I'll tag them and ask Nathan about it. Cool.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:07, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Tangent stuff
Mind taking a look at this poll on the forums?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 04:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Firestorm Titles
I've been trying to figure out what comic is called what for a bunch of crossovers, and the Firestorm issue naming is kind of off. I realize that those pages were made in a different time for this database when we did things sort of differently, but at this point, we should probably get around to changing the comic to what it was published as. It means a little bit of extra finangling, but it'll make navigation and templating easier. I'll take care of the legwork, but can you help me out by explaining how you handled the various Firestorm (Nuclear Man, Fury of, etc.) titles when you put them together? I'm working blindly, I've sadly never had the opportunity to pick up any of the issues, this is purely an organizational thing.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Firestorm's kind of a pain in the ass, so I tried to keep it simple with just identifying them by 3 volumes. 1st volume is the short-lived 5-issue series from the 70s. Volume 2 is the "Fury of" and later "Firestorm the Nuclear Man", which was the one with Ronnie Raymond and later became the Russian guy. Volume 3 was just Jason Rusch, though I believe it was also called "Firestorm, the Nuclear Man" at some point. And if I hadn't said it before... I hate mid-series title changes. The Titans were notorious for that crap. Grrrrr. --Brian Kurtz 01:53, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, god, me too. It drive me nuts. Could they make up their minds? And the whole Superboy/Superboy starring the Legion of Super-Heroes/Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes/Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 2)/Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes thing? Gives me an ulcer just thinking about it. I'll review, and see what I can do. I think in this case the best plan might just be to at least lay down templates for all of the issues so we have a structure in place when issues need to be referenced, instead of vice versa.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 03:29, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's a good tip with the Superboy/Legion stuff. If the cover copy reads "Superboy starring the Legion of Super-Heroes", its technically still Superboy Vol. 1. Everything from Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes Vol 1 222 onward is under the "Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes" title. --Brian Kurtz 13:55, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Think this is any use?
Template:Mindwipes Storyline? Roygbiv666 00:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I assume this is related to the Doctor Light thing that precipitated the whole Identity Crisis storyline? If so, then Hellz Yeah! I think that template would prove very insightful for those (like myself) who might want to backtrack the origins of that story-arc. --Brian Kurtz 00:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yup, here's a start.

Sandman Dream Hunters
Brian,

I saw that you changed Sandman Dream Hunters 4-issue mini series to vol 1. My thoughts are, shouldn't the illustrated Novella be vol 1 and the 4-issue mini series should be vol 2?

Thanks, goblyn4evil Goblyn4evil 19:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ya know, it was after I moved them that I noticed the notation concerning the Novella. Should we create pages for the Novella, do ya think? If so, then I'll move your pages back to Vol 2. --Brian Kurtz 19:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I fixed the links so that they read Volume 2 instead of Volume 1. Sorry 'bout that. Oh, in case you were curious, Matthew, the Raven is actually Matt Cable, an old Swamp Thing character. He croaked and became a part of the Dreaming back in Swamp Thing Vol 2 84. --Brian Kurtz 13:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Featured Article May, 2009
Fond as I am of the Grundy article, it's that time of the month again. Any ideas on this one? I was trying to beef up the Creeper article, but I couldn't find as many back issues or images as I had hoped to really make it all-inclusive. I thought maybe Superboy would be a good idea, what with him being just back from the dead and all, but that article needs some major copy editing, and some updated recent history with the Titans.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, loathe as I am to remove Solly the Grund (the most awesome character ever) from the featured article, I suppose it is that time, as you say. Allowest me to think 'pon it. --Brian Kurtz 12:26, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Howz about this guy? --Brian Kurtz 16:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Vandar Adg (New Earth)
OK, check out the entry on Vandar Adg (New Earth) under the Notes section. I made little template for continutiy violations. Whadduyouthink? I didn't want a big, obnoxious block, but it needs to be prettied up though.

Oh, and click on the little Jonni DC picture and see what happens. Roygbiv666


 * Ha! Awesome. I like. Maybe we should include stuff like that in its own special sub-section of Notes. --Brian Kurtz 13:41, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Lists of appearance categories
It makes sense to me to have, say, a custom section list that includes images, galleries, and quote categories... but aren't lists of appearances a little redundant? That's why we have the categories. I feel like this is sort of a holdover from back before we had them automated and we had to do appearances manually. Wouldn't it be easier just to delete them? All of the information is at the bottom of the page already.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's pretty redundant now and is definitely a holdover. In fact, now that I've been trying to correct so many of these links, I'm thinking it'll just be easier to do away with some of the "Related Articles" sections on comic pages altogether. --Brian Kurtz 16:44, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * And yes, it actually took me editing 34 issues of Sea Devils and your notice before it finally dawned on me. lol --Brian Kurtz 17:06, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Haha, nice one. I've been kind of avoiding the Sea Devils for awhile now. I just sent you a private message on the forums, fyi. Also, have you checked out Arkhampedia lately? They're young, and they're growing, but it's a party over there.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:14, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Not sure if you received my response on the forums. PM service seems to be acting wonky. To answer your question though... the Zod abides.


 * Oh... and Arkhampedia is awesome. --Brian Kurtz 01:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Got it, twice, all taken care of. I'm going to send that email. Thanks.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Long live the Legion
Hey Brian, I was just wondering...no its more like praying....The new Adventure comics will feature the Legion right? I was wondering if there was any clues as to who will be on the team? Will it be a mixture of characters from all of the reboots or will it soley be about one of the reboot teams? PS

Get City of Heroes!Nivek66 13:19, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, Nivek! I know that the new Adventure series is definitely going to spotlight the Legion. I don't know for certain, but I suspect that it's going to feature the most recently rebooted team. If it has old-school Legion characters in it, I might give it a try. --Brian Kurtz 13:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Geoff Johns is deliberately being hush hush about it. The only concrete information given is that it will be featuring Superboy. The cool one.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 14:31, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

so how did you like it
I see You like to correct people I decided to give you a taste of your own medicine ? You do not take your responsibility ? ow I think You need a little punishment ! For Deleting my articles haha XD:) Enjoy yourself and have nice day


 * My edits/deletions were perfectly reasonable and explanations for both were provided on the summary fields for the pages in question. Your "AS" page required a page move in order to conform to the site's naming convention guidelines. Your other two pages were deleted because they were not DC Comics related articles. You said so yourself on the very pages. However, instead of expressing your opinions like an adult, you chose instead to deface my user page. Not the smartest move. I've banned you for one month, which, to be honest, is a lot more lenient than what other admins would probably do. If at that time, you wish to continue contributing to the DCDP, you are more than welcome to do so. Vandalism however, will not be tolerated. See ya in 30. --Brian Kurtz 14:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Guardians of The Universe and Scar Question
Hey Brian its Rod I was wondering if you can help me out on a big question I had its about the Rogue Guardian Scar and the Guardians of the Universe. Do you know if the Guardians of the Universe as a group or team have one spesific leader in there history or at least right now and if so in which comic book issue or issues does it say that this Guardian is the leader of the group or this Guardian was once the leader of the group? The reason being because I've been looking around and people seem to get the idea that Scar is the leader of the group. Even some new user added this to the Guardian of the Universe page on the site here and my Green Lantern wiki site as well. My knowledge of Scar besides working as a double agent for the Black Lantern Corps and eventually very soon becoming the Black Lantern Corps New Guardian. Her current dealings with the Guardians of the Universe group is that she has alot of influence and input into many of the groups decisions on how to lead the Green Lantern Corps and other decisions in the Universe. An my knowledge of the Guardians of the Universe is that there is one single leader they all make a big decision or many decisions as group. Oh well talk to you later Brian and hope you can help me out.

From Rod12


 * For the most part, no Rod, there has never been a leader of the Guardians. They've always worked as a unified body. Now when the Guardians were killed and later reborn, Ganthet became a sort of de facto leader and father figure to them because they were still children at that point. Once they grew up though they became a leaderless organization again. Hope that helps! --Brian Kurtz 14:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey Brian thanks for the information thats the news I was hoping to here relating to the question and that information makes the most sense. Oh and right now on the Guardians of the Universe page here on the site someone put Scar (New Earth) as its current leader and current member and Ganthet (New Earth) as its former leader do you want me to fix those changes that that person made so the page and the information on the template is fixed and looks right. Oh well talk to you later and I noticed that you guys made SFH an administrator on your staff great choice he is the right guy for the job and he has done some excellent editing work with Green Lantern and The Flash I noticed.

From Rod12

Roygbiv666/Main Page
Hey, don't know if you've been interested or keeping up with some changes on the Marvel Database, but I made a little test page, with the assumption we should likely mirror what they're doing to improve our Google rank and such like. What do you think? Roygbiv666 21:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Sweet! I like it. I was wondering when we were gonna catch up to MDP.--Brian Kurtz 11:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

You might want to check out the ongoing forums discussion - improve our Google rank as well as the stats generated for our site here. Kinda sad, right? As always, I say let the Marvelites be the guineas pigs (since they seem to have more admins too) and we can modify as required. The main thing is likely going to be figuring out how to rename character pages with the minimum amount of fuss and maximum amount of 'bots.
 * Roygbiv666 21:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, every time I look at our existing Main Page, I want to move it to "Next Page" and move my Roygbiv666/Main Page to become the New Main Page. Do you see any problem with this? i.e. would you mind if I just went ahead and did so?
 * Roygbiv666 17:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, if this helps to increase our google rating without having to move a bunch of pages, by all means -- have at it! I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY, don't want to have to move a bunch of pages. --Brian Kurtz 17:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, it wouldn't actually help yet, we will likely have to move some pages around to do so. I just like the new design better. I'll figure out what needs to change, and maybe PeterParker will whip up a bot to do it automatically (i.e. the best way to do things). There are some javascript tricks that will require some additional techno-geek help. In short, nothin' for you to worry your pretty little head about.;-)
 * Roygbiv666 18:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Some old naming issues
Why do we have "Teen Titans (New Earth)" and "Outsiders (New Earth)" instead of Teen Titans and Outsiders? It all happened awhile ago when Nathan was going through and eliminating all of our articles that ended in (disambiguation). And I had thrown together some loose experimental disambig pages back when I was new to the site that weren't very good, and mostly covered comics. Which don't need main-page billing if it's going to shunt the actual article itself. Anyway, that was awhile ago... and have you noticed that those (New Earth) things are much more of a gigantic pain in the ass then they're worth. I'm also getting sick of having to update and pipe links all over the site because the whole thing was done kind of... quickly. I'm in favor of reestablishing the original disambigs from before the names were changed. If I were to try to get those articles moved back to where they should be, would you support that?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 04:37, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Truthfully, I've never really been a fan of giving team names the (New Earth) nomenclature. The only team that I think really requires it is Justice League, since there are such vast differences between the Pre and Post Crisis versions. Other than that though, I dislike having to slap team names with this. Huge pain in the backside. In fact, I wasn't even aware of the Teen Titans move until maybe a month ago, so yeah I definitely support what you're saying! So long as someone (ie, not me) can whip up a bot to make all the link corrections. --Brian Kurtz 12:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Batman Murdered!!
Oh no! 02:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

They killed Batman! You bastards!

I guess Darkseid's accomplishments don't seem so impressive now. Haw! --Brian Kurtz 11:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Darkmark's writing
Darkmark posts scans on Komics Live. I talked to him there about posting his comic indexing synopsis on DC database and he did not indicate to me he would have a problem with it.

Darkseid01 16:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, so long as he's cool with it, it's alright by me. We just don't want to get caught up in all that plagiarism controversey stuff, you understand. Though... I might expand on some of the issues that I have a particular liking towards. Fair warning. :) --Brian Kurtz 16:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Batman should have lived but it gose with blackest night WeeljackweeljackWeeljack

Green Lantern: Agent Orange Question
Hey Brian its Rod I was just wondering if you can give and update on some Green Lantern: Agent Orange questions I have. The first question is I was wondering when we are going to add the Synopsis for "Tales of the Orange Lanterns: Weed Killer" and Appearing in "Tales of the Orange Lanterns: Weed Killer" that appears at the end of Green Lantern Vol 4 40. The second question is I was wondering when we are going to add the Synopsis for "Agent Orange, Part Three" Green Lantern Vol 4 41. I wound do it myself but I haven't read the issues and also I was actual aiming to to buy the story arc and read it then when it comes out in trade paper back the book form. An its hard to find real good synopsis on the internet that could help me out but I was hoping you could give me an update Green Lantern: Agent Orange questions and are we going to update Larfleeze page as well. Oh well thats about it oh and great work on the pages for Lightning Lad and his Family. Oh and I noticed on your huge to do list that you had a section for creators like writers and artist page would you like me to help you out with that section I'm good with those type of pages I can't promise you a great life history on the creator but I can find the basic information and a great image for those pages. I do alot of those type pages on my Green Lantern, The Flash, Green Arrow and The Martian Manhunter sites that I run. Oh well talk to you later.

From Rod12


 * Hey, Rod. I have those GL issues, but I've only skimmed them, so my memories of the events are foggy. I'll try to put something together to flesh those pages out. Mostly I've been concentrating on the Emerald Eclipse story-arc in GLC. --Brian Kurtz 15:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Stuff
Noticed you're still using manual links from Wikipedia. Instead, if you use WP it'll do it for you automatically (as in . I made that one because I found myself frequently needing to reference concepts that were simply not in our scope. Saves me oodles of time.

Also, they've definitely used references to that image more times than in Countdown #15. It's not well-developed at all, but awhile back I tried to set precedent for cover references with an Iconic Images section. Actually, looking at it now, that thing I set up sucks. But I did stuff like with this cover.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Blast. Keep forgetting about that WP template. And yeah, I know there's probably a whole bunch of pastiches floating around. Perhaps we should categorize all such images (including the homages) under Category:Iconic Images so that we can keep track of them easier.


 * BTW, I just added two more to the category. --Brian Kurtz 16:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Earth-X Characters
Hey. Check out this excerpt from where Uncle Sam appears and tells the A*S all about Earth-X and how he recruited a bunch of plebes from Earth-Two to kick some Nazi ass. yeah, we have a lot of those guys (mainly Quality Comics characters) listed as natives of Earth-X, but they're really from Earth-Two (like Phantom Woman, et. al.). Near as I can figgur, there were no native heroes on Earth-X. Think we should change any of this?



18:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Hourman kicks ass. Ass. Ass ass ass.


 * Hrrrm. I seem to recall reading this issue x amount of years ago (pun intended). Tis a bit tricky I'll admit. If we move any pages, we should probably just restrict it to the Freedom Fighters characters specified in that story. I do know that Earth-X had their own versions of Plastic Man and the Blackhawk Squadron, all of whom were killed during World War II. It was revealed in one of the issues of A*SS, can't remember which one though. I'll try to find the issue. If we do decide on a massive Earth-X overhaul though, we'll definitely want a bot on that one since there are currently a whopping 91 articles in the characters category! Where the hell did they all come from anyway? --Brian Kurtz 18:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. I don't think any of this is critical (even in the context of we update an online encyclopedia about comics) as they are "known" as Earth-X characters, native or otherwise. I have scans of those A*S issues, and I think it's #32 or so. At any rate, it's not bigge, just not technically correct.
 * [[Image:Roygbiv666.jpg|25px|link=User talk:Roygbiv666]] 18:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you changing these Earth-X people to Earth-Two? I see activity on them. I may have made a boo-boo by copying the Red Bee (Earth-X) material over to the Red Bee (New Earth) - he's such a major character that I wouldn't want people confused - see any problems?
 * [[Image:Roygbiv666.jpg|25px|link=User talk:Roygbiv666]] 21:25, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I meant to bring this up to you, but yeah... I s'pose so. Ever since you brought this up, it's been sticking in my craw. Sure, the lazy side of me would rather just leave things as they are, but the OCD side of me has been itching to make fixes. As per the Red Bee... I say we leave it as a personal judgment call. Although I assume you were joking by saying that the Red Bee was a major character, right? Right? I mean... he's the friggin' Red Bee! :) --Brian Kurtz 02:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

That's THE RED BEE to you. Yeah, but I did copy X to New Earth. Most of them could be New Earth as well, with a note about starting on Earth-Two ... why don't you have Billy help out with a 'bot?
 * [[Image:Roygbiv666.jpg|25px|link=User talk:Roygbiv666]] 16:37, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Commander Steel
Why, back in my day, we wouldn't dare dream of such a thing. Oh, the times we live in. Kids today ... school ... snow .. uphill bothways ...etc. 20:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ha! That's awesome! So getting one of those. And to be honest, I'm still reeling from the shock that they actually made Black Bolt and Triton action figures back in the 90's. --Brian Kurtz 12:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Justice Vol 1 1
Hey, do you think there's an actual need for these characters to be ID'd as "Name (Justice)" instead of just "Name (Earth-One)"?
 * [[Image:Roygbiv666.jpg|25px|link=User talk:Roygbiv666]] 01:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I can't say that I've read Justice yet, but isn't it just an Elseworld? It's not supposed to be Earth-One is it? --Brian Kurtz 01:46, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Mmm ... well, technically it's an Elseworlds, but they're basically exactly the same as Earth-One. Thought you might know.
 * [[Image:Roygbiv666.jpg|25px|link=User talk:Roygbiv666]] 02:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I would support just going ahead and considering them what they're supposed to be. I mean, yeah, it's an "Elseworlds" but do we really have any reason not to just group this information? We can stick in an explanation in the notes for the characters. And I think it would be annoying to have to make entirely new pages for all of the characters in the miniseries that don't include their relation to the characters they're analogous to.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Kevin Simbieda is still ripping us off!!!!
Hey, Kev! I know you're going to find this hard to believe, but yes, THESE guys actually did in fact appear on an episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold! Damn that Kevin Simbieda and his hidden microphones!!!! --Brian Kurtz 22:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Kent Family Question
Hey Brian I was just going by the Kent Family pages and I noticed we have no history and very little information on Martha Kent except for the template and the basic information why is that I would work on putting the page together but can't seem to find a good history anywhere to help me out and I'm not that update on Martha Kent (New Earth). Oh well talk to you later and on a good note starting Wednesday the Blackest Night Begins I'm excited its going to be a great Green Lantern Story Arc Geoff Johns is my favorite Comic Book Writer.

From Rod12

Billy Arrowsmith Returns
Hey, Brian. It's been awhile, and I took a lengthy and unexplained hiatus. But I'm back now, and I'm jumping right into things. I was wandering around Wikia for awhile. Among other things, I'm now trying to start up an IRC channel for us, and I would appreciate it if you would take a look at DC Database:IRC. It's basically a really simple and really accessible chatroom for us that requires next to no effort. And a lot of the other major wikis use it. Why shouldn't we? I'm posting this over to Roy as well.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow, this is weird. You, ProfZoom and CleverGuy are all back from the dead!!! Are you sure you guys aren't Black Lanterns? I'll definitely check out that IRC thang. While I'm at it, I should probably check in on the forums as well. Haven't been on there in ages. --Brian Kurtz 12:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Reign of the Supermen
Do you know of any place we would have the listing for the issues in the Death/Reign/Return of the Superman/men in chronological order? I've been meaning to put together an updated template for the navigation, but I can't find the issues anywhere. And I know you did some work on them.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:25, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It'll take some time, but I'll try putting something together. Fortunately those issues use those triangle number thingies, so hopefully it won't be too labor intensive. --Brian Kurtz 23:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Blackest Night
I'm in the process of switching to trades from monthlies, so I'm purposely not reading this (or stuff on this site about it) - is it any good? 20:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It's freaking AWESOME.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Providing that you don't have an attachment to certain characters (grumble grumble grumble), yeah, it's good. :p --Brian Kurtz 21:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Aw, feeling upset about some of the deaths Brian? Don't worry, I'm sure they'll come back eventually. And in the meantime, I'm still enjoying seeing how cool everybody is as a zombie.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, I don't doubt they'll fix everything by the end of the series. Still, it is a bit jarring to see some of your favs get axed. That being said, I've been looking forward to Blackest Night for quite some time, and outside of the afore-mentioned character deaths (grumble grumble whine whine cry cry shakes fist in anger), it's been rockin'. --Brian Kurtz 12:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Vamps/Covers
Hi, Brian! I was just talking to one of our Ops guys... It looks like something that you're doing on Vamps/Covers is causing some problems. It's something to do with LinkCache... We're still looking into it. It's definitely slowing things down on this wiki, because the LinkCache won't clear, and it might be affecting other wikis, too. Did you guys change something on one of the templates you're using on that page? -- Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That would probably be the new cid template, I assume.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it might be... Have you guys seen pages with that template running extra-slow? -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yup, that's it. That template slows things down a lot. For every instance of it on the page, it makes a call to another page to grab the date information. If it doesn't get the information, then it makes another call to check. So for a page like Vamps/Covers, with nine examples of "date not filled in", it slows everything down to a crawl.


 * Typically, the page render time on a Wikia wiki is less than a second. The complicated templates on DC and Marvel slow things down quite a bit -- the average on DC seems to be around 2-3 seconds. For a page with Cid on it, it goes way up -- Stan Woch/Gallery is more than 12 seconds.


 * Unfortunately, this doesn't just slow down DC... at a certain point, it starts to impact all of Wikia, which is how we noticed it. I'm going to talk to Nathan about this one... I'd suggest taking Cid off these pages. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 23:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Woah. I broke all of Wikia? Really. Wow. In a sick way, I feel almost honored to have such power at my fingertips. I'm like the Anti-Monitor of all Wiki. I'm like a deposed tyrant or some malefic god. I am the awesome.


 * All kidding aside, If it's the cid template that's causing the trouble, I'll stop using it at once. It would be a shame to lose it since I think it really spruces up gallery pages, but better a less-sprucey wiki than no wiki at all I suppose. Maybe there's a way it could be tweaked so as to maintain the look without slowing things down? --Brian Kurtz 12:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * All fixed up! It's funny because I had just developed a better system for accomplishing this goal over on the marvel side a week or so ago.  Both Vamps and the other test page save in ~5 seconds now, which is pretty fast.  If you guys continue to have problems, scream at me! :)
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 14:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Awesome. I love this template. It's fantastic.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 14:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * RE: Anti-Monitor picture:
 * BWAAAAAAAAAH HAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! --Brian Kurtz 15:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Shortcuts
Is there a particular value in the shortcuts we're making? For example, when it comes to things like not having "File:" in the code, or moving month names to numbers. It shows up on the page the same either way, but you're going out of your way, and I don't see as how it makes any difference, except for one in aesthetics. And as far as that goes, I always find it more convenient to actually see "File:" or the name of the month in the code while I'm writing... it makes things easier for my brain, and helps visually sort things out, at least for me. So... I'm just wondering, is there a reason we're cutting things down deliberately that are already there? The coding shortcuts are useful when you're writing new articles, I just don't get why we keep changing them on the old ones. /isapaininthebuttabouttrivialissues
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Mostly I've just been doing it for my own personal aesthetics, and only if I happen to be doing other edits on a page. But no, there's no real value to the shortcuts. Just me being anal retentive. --Brian Kurtz 17:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

News:THUNDER Agents Are Coming
Not keen on the costumes, but DC is going nuts with acquiring properties.
 * [[Image:Roygbiv666.jpg|25px|link=User talk:Roygbiv666]] 22:02, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Earth 2
Hi Brian. I noticed that you posted a synopsis from dcindexes.com on Lois Lane 11 and wondered if you had communicated with Mike that he's ok with that? If so, I'd like to help moving the Earth 2 plots onto the wikia.

Darkseid01 01:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I know that we cannot use Mike's synopsis on our Wiki. For that issue I referred to DC Indexes as the info source, but I made sure to re-write the info in my own words to avoid infringement. I'm glad you brought it up though, because in retrospect I'm not even comfortable with having taken that much material from there. --Brian Kurtz 13:08, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Can we assimilate him like the Borg? Some of these other sites might want to pool resources.
 * [[Image:Roygbiv666.jpg|25px|link=User talk:Roygbiv666]] 13:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

That's too bad. It would be nice to have all the info in one place. If he was ok with the crossposting, the wikia would be pretty comprehensive coverage of both Earth 1 and 2, so I wish I could find a comprehensive source for Post-Crisis plot info.

Darkseid01 13:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree, DC Indexes is an awesome sight. I don't blame Mike though for not wishing to see his stuff reposted though. However, I still use it for character appearances and chronology. Hee hee hee. As Roy said above... Resistance is futile. --Brian Kurtz 13:33, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Smallville TV Show Page
Hey Brian I think I found the problem with what was going on with the Smallville TV Show Page it was a user called Digitalleonardo who made all the recent changes that screwed up the page and the templates because before the changes he made it was just me updating the page with upcoming Season-9 Episodes and there titles. Oh the page still looks screwed up for some reason. Hope this helps answer your question on what the heck happen to the Smallville TV Show Page because right when I saw what happen to the page I thought the exact same words you were thinking. Oh well talk to you later and hope the Smallville TV Show Page gets back to normal if you need any help let me know.

From Rod


 * Thanks, Rod. As you already know, I put the template back in. I think I understand what this guy is attempting to do and once it's completed/fixed, it ought to look pretty damn cool. We'll see if he comes back to it. If not, then we can go in and fix some of the season breakdowns. --Brian Kurtz 12:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

link suggestion for the DC Database
Hey I noticed that you are an administrator, and the E-mail address for the webmaster doesn't seem to work, so I thought i'd pass this along. There is a blogger site that could easily go under "Dedicated Individual Character Sites" or "Informational Sites". "The Real Batman Chronology Project" is a work in progress and is brand new, but already contains a wealth of cool stuff regarding story lines, continuity, commentary, and general information about Batman's early years. You should definitely add it to your links page! Take care and keep up the good work. Oh, and it is definitely all ages appropriate.

http://therealbatmanchronoproject.blogspot.com/


 * Hey, great idea! I just added it to our links page. I always have a deep appreciation for anyone willing to tackle the herculean task of chronlogizing all this wacky stuff. --Brian Kurtz 00:29, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Rich Text Editor
Does anybody actually use the rich text editor? As far as I can tell, it's not very helpful for our full-page templates... and actively harmful, because new users working on it keep destroying their pages. It doesn't seem to be doing us any good, and it's starting to be actively harmful to the site. I'm thinking about just asking them to shut it off, but I need a group consensus first, and nobody responded to my topic about it. What do you think?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:28, September 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've never enabled the rich text editor. Not even sure what it does, so I'm certain I won't miss it. What pages is it screwing up? --Brian Kurtz 19:43, September 7, 2009 (UTC)