Thread:SeanWheeler/@comment-1038387-20130430064156/@comment-2054358-20130504001346

So maybe they are not official Elseworlds but canon or not, New Earth doesn't have Marvel characters. Look at Superman vs The Amazing Spider-Man Vol 1 1. How did Doc Ock and Lex Luthor end up at the same prison? What is this Metropolition Museum in New York? Oh, never mind, that museum is canon in the Marvel Universe, but it suspiciously sounded like Metropolis. But how did Clark Kent and Lois Lane end up in the same conference as Peter Parker and Mary Jane? Was there any world merge or teleportation device? The article doesn't mention that. In fact the notes section states that "In the introduction to Crossover Classics, which contains the story 'The Battle of the Century!', Gerry Conway states 'Purists may complain that we never explained how Superman and Spider-Man ended up in the same 'universe'...; to our minds, how they got there was beside the point.'" But the Marvel appendix listed that universe as Earth-7642. So Marvel has a better explanation than we do. The next crossover is in mdp:Marvel Treasury Edition Vol 1 28 which has the synopsis "Spider-Man runs across a deadly plan and enlists Superman to help." Okay, so how does he call Superman? That synopsis is way to short. It doesn't mention anything about transporting between worlds. Someone need to expand the synopsis. In DC Special Series Vol 1 27 Bruce Banner was working in Wayne Tech. What? Since when does Banner work for Wayne? You can't start a story with a Marvel character working in a DC company. In mdp:Uncanny X-Men and The New Teen Titans Vol 1 1, Dark Phoenix warned Raven of a catastrophe in her dream (and in the dreams of the other X-Men). Well in the Justice League episode Legends, J'onn J'onzz speculated the writers of the Justice Guild comics might have had a subconscious psychic link to the Justice Guild universe, so a psychic link between Raven and Jean Grey can still be plausible. But how did Starfire know the history of Dark Phoenix? In a crossover where worlds collide, people on one side shouldn't know anything about the other universe. And the synopsis again didn't reveal how Teen Titans and X-Men ended up on the same Earth. In Batman and Punisher: Lake of Fire Vol 1 1, how did Punisher team up with Jean-Paul Valley? The trivia even says crossover comics are noncanon, but Azrael mentioned Jigsaw by name in a later Batman comic. However, it was explained that he is insane. mdp:Punisher and Batman: Deadly Nights Vol 1 1 has Punisher and Batman (Bruce Wayne this time) meet without explanation on how they ended up in the same Earth. In Darkseid vs. Galactus: The Hunger Vol 1 1, Galactus wanted to eat Apokolips. Since he is a planet eater, I guess maybe he can head to another universe. That comic synopsis didn't mention Earth, and Earth wasn't in the appearances section. In mdp:Spider-Man and Batman Vol 1 1, they had dreams that contradict both characters' origin. Ben Parker killed by the Joker (even though the burgler from Amazing Fantasy 15 looking nothing like a clown) and Bruce's parents murdered by Carnage instead of the gunman Joe Chill. Spidey never fought the Joker and Batman never fought Carnage, so why would those two villains be in the other hero's dream? And the same two doctors Ashley Kefka and Cassandra Briar appeared in Ravencroft and Arkham. I never heard of Ravencroft Institute, but Spidey was visiting and Carnage was imprisoned there. Carnage was taken to Arkham and Spidey arrived at Gotham to help Batman. How? Green Lantern Silver Surfer: Unholy Alliance Vol 1 1 doesn't have a synopsis. mdp:Silver Surfer / Superman Vol 1 1 is pretty much blank. Batman and Captain America Vol 1 1 said Cap and Buck was ordered on a secret mission and they ran across Batman and Robin. How did those four meet? In mdp:Daredevil / Batman Vol 1 1 how did they meet? In another Batman and Spider-Man Vol 1 1 crossover, how did they meet again? In Superman Fantastic Four Vol 1 1, how did Superman meet the Fantastic Four? In mdp:Incredible Hulk vs. Superman Vol 1 1, how did Superman meet the Hulk? How did Batman meet Daredevil again in Batman Daredevil: King of New York Vol 1 1? If you thought DC and Marvel shared the same universe, what about these crossovers: DC Versus Marvel Vol 1 1 actually had a box that transports people between parallel universes which was how Spider-Man and Juggernaut ended up in the DC Universe. That is proof that the DC and Marvel Universe are different, and that those previously mentioned crossovers where they seemed to share the same universe is an alternate Earth! Between Round 3 and 4 we get the Amalgam Universe which merged the two universes including their characters to get people like Dark Claw and Super-Soldier, and they separate in Round 4. In All Access Vol 1, wheres the synopsis? Man, people aren't giving synopsis. Neither is there a Synopsis written on the mdp:Unlimited Access Vol 1. JLA/Avengers Vol 1 is a Multiverse story, and the Krona egg was important later, making JLA/Avengers canon, so the crossovers with the sci-fi explanation take place on New Earth and Earth-616 and the crossovers where the two companies seem to share the same universe is a totally different Earth. Marvel even confirmed it. Did DC say anything about the crossovers being on New Earth? I don't think so. And we can't always rely on DC to name a reality because of the mess they made with the New 52. At first, they said it is just an altered timeline to New Earth, but they recently said the New 52 takes place on Prime Earth causing a huge mess of all this time putting New 52 stuff in New Earth articles, even though people could already tell that it can't be New Earth. What butterfly effect would rename Captain Marvel Shazam? And what about the game Injustice: Gods Among Us. How were we supposed to know that there were two Earths in the game? None of the trailers showed it. The tie-in comic took place only in the Regime Earth. Not even the Green Lantern trailer told us, even though it had Green Lantern fighting Yellow Lantern. Yellow Lantern could have been a clone, but it turned out to be an Alternate Earth. No promotional material said there was going to be two Earth's. They only implied that heroes such as Superman became threats. We thought it was going to be Batman who defeats Superman in the end, but really it was a Superman from another Earth. Who would have thought that? Now for Marvel, they use numbers for each reality. At least the mainstream Marvel Universe stayed consistently Earth-616. No major reboots or renumbering. While Marvel does renumber some realities (ie the reality of Wolverine and the X-Men and Avengers: EMH Earth-80920 to Earth-8096 with 80920 remaining as the apoclyptic future) they didn't do anything major like rebooting the Marvel Universe, saying the new universe is just a reworked timeline for 616, and then renumber it like DC did with Prime Earth, or hiding a game's two Earth's until release despite being a major part of the story, like Injustice. Marvel seems more credible in handling its realities than DC has been lately. Did DC even claim that those non-canon crossovers are part of New Earth?