Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-5880913-20121217041653/@comment-14250-20140427155400

Having a cross on your or your family's tombstone is not necessarily evidence of Christianity or theism. I'm not entirely bothered if people want to advocate for Tom/Martha being Christians, but Bruce is a whole other ballgame. We really can't take public Wayne expressions of religion as meaning anything, because it's all plausibly part of the facade he puts up. Putting a cross on his parent's graves could be a way of honoring their beliefs, and someone putting one on his could be their way of honoring what they THOUGHT was Bruce Wayne's beliefs.

Besides... rather than look to a 'possible futures' of Teen Titans... does anyone know if they ever showed his gravestone after the perceived death from Darkseid during Final Crisis? Having trouble finding a shot.

Do we have evidence of Bruce expressing religiousness as Batman? This is when he's more himself. Even if he did though, I'd probably wonder about it, since he plays the spy game even with the cowl on, not trusting allies and stuff.


 * sometimes, they have normal slabs, sometimes they have one big monument, sometimes they don't have headstones at all... it's the same really: inconsistency. Depends on the artist.

Man I hope when this happens it's at least in different pre-Crisis and post-Crisis incarnations. Otherwise I need to rationalize this through something like "Bruce loves his parents so much he gives them a new grave every year so it always looks nice" or something.


 * hes batman and he rocks
 * i really HATE aethiests >:(

I'm not sure Batman would think you rocked if he knew you hate one of his good Robins.

It sorta odd we have Batman tagged as BOTH an atheist AND a christian. It's unusual, but not impossible, since it is possible to view Jesus as a mentor or role model without attaching deific significance to it. I do wonder if we have evidence in either direction though, and think until we know otherwise, all characters should default to an 'agnostic' neutral.

One thing I would describe Batman as being, whether he's theist or atheist, is a secular person, basically someone who doesn't let his stance of belief (affirmative or denial) actually enter into his life or career much in any visible way (which is why we have trouble answering the question).


 * i am going to personally say he is a christian im not sure if its true but i would say he is just because him being athiest would ruin my love for man fav superhero

Not being sure due to lack of evidence, but assuming something is true because it's how you want things to be. That seems about right.


 * i found proof that he is christain in "under the red hood"
 * Bruce:"No!...god almighty no!

ITT all references to "god" means someone is a Christian. For all we know this means he's Jewish, or that he worships Zeus due to knowing Wonder Woman.

I see Batman as a skeptic who probably would not solidify any belief. He's interacted with enough supernatural beings in his career that he wouldn't have beliefs resembling the usual atheists, and he even has awareness of "gods" since members of the JLA are associated with them (at least of the Greek flavor). Not to mention being killed/resurrected by a "new god", Darkseid.

Batman doesn't jump to conclusions and would test things, so it is difficult to believe that he would think of any being as being omnipotent or unbeatable. I think Batman is a faithful person, but I think he places his faith more in humanity, since he's always trying to save it.

As much as the idea of a theistic Batman would weird me out, I don't think it'd make me HATE him though. Considering his behaviour, he's pretty much the model you'd want out of a theist were that the case. Tim wouldn't hate Batman for being theistic, and Batman would not hate Tim. So if they can get along, we can get along with both of them regardless of their status.