Category talk:Move/Archives

Discussion
I'm not sure about this change; I think making it easier to find move discussions is a good thing, but it's such a fundamental change that I don't want to do it without input from others. The Paradox 00:28, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds perfectly fine to me.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds, good to me as well. A static talk page would certainly be more ideal. Course we also have the option of the forums as well. Those are a little easier to keep track of changes. But I'm perfectly cool with a meta-move talk page. --Brian Kurtz 03:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Aye, I say, by the corner of my eye.
 * I hope it works as good as it sounds. :)
 * Can we get the pages that are still in discussion in a sub-category than the pages that are ready to be moved? I'm not sure this has been addressed yet or not, but it makes sense to have things in different stages of moving in different sections.
 * &mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 03:34, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Centralizing it would make discussions easier.
 * Roygbiv666 00:05, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Active discussions have been moved here, all that I could find anyway. All "Reality Unknown" and "Full Name Unknown" articles have been moved to subcategories. The only articles left in the category are those whose discussions are still in process, the only discussions on this page are still active (if kinda stale in some cases). Is that close enough to the staging area you desired, Nathan? The Paradox 16:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

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Midvale (Earth-One) to Midvale
To follow the usual naming conventions for locations, which is to not have a reality designation unless necessary. It isn't in this case. The Paradox 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Seconded.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

So clearly this page needs some naming. Apparently his name is Virgil Hawkins, but what's the reality designation? Does Milestone have its own universe? I assume it does, but we don't have too much Milestone info on the site. "Virgil Hawkins (Earth-Milestone)"? We know it's multiversal because of Worlds Collide.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith, 20:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * According to Milestone Media, the Milestone stuff is destined to be a part of "New Earth".
 * Roygbiv666 00:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I remember flipping channels once and ending up on the Static Shock cartoon and wondering why he was talking to the Green Lantern. That could explain it.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith, 00:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Right now, it's suggested that this article be moved to the Dakotaverse. But... isn't Static slated to be appearing in the Teen Titans pretty soon?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:42, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I know that the Milestone stuff is coming back... and they are going to be part of mainstream continuity. For the time being however, we might want to hold off on any major revisions to see how this plays out. I just don't wanna end up with another Kal-El (Earth-22)/Kal-El (Kingdom Come) kafluffle. --Brian Kurtz 17:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

On hold until somebody brings it up again... The Paradox 04:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * One additional thought: According to the structure of the site, there should be a DCAU Virgil Hawkins article as well as the comic version. And depending on whether or not the one scheduled to appear in Titans is the same as the Milestone Media version, there may be need for three pages. The Paradox 02:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hrrrmm. I guess it got moved anyway. So much for the process working. The Paradox 07:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I moved it because we had like three articles that pointed to it, and I wanted it to conform with the rest of my work on Milestone. We'll see how things go. If we need a new one, so be it, we need a new one.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:32, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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Adolf "Crazy Stache" Hitler
I don't know where I got the "Adolph" spelling from, but from every resource I've found, both real-world and DC Comics, Hitler's first name is spelled "Adolf", not Adolph. So...ummm, yeah. We should probably move this booger. --Brian Kurtz 14:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with the move - Billy, maybe you can unleash RoBotman on it? And, to be fair, Hitler was the best ... at being evil. That's something.
 * [[Image:Roygbiv666.jpg|25px|link=User talk:Roygbiv666]] 20:52, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I will get on this as soon as I figure out how to make this robot not rebel and destroy all humans.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No, no, no - just implement the new untested technology and we'll worry about it later. It was good enough for the internal combustion engine, and nothing ever ... oh, wait.
 * [[Image:Roygbiv666.jpg|25px|link=User talk:Roygbiv666]] 22:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks like this never got done, so I'm working on it right now. -- Profzoom 13:41, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Chief Parker (Earth-One) to Douglas Parker (Earth-One)
I don't know where his first name was mentioned first, but Lois Lane calls him Douglas in Action Comics #495 Beast of Averoigne 10:18, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Finally moved this with the bot. Profzoom 04:53, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Jason Todd (Earth-3) to Owlman II (Earth-3)
According to the notes, this is all based on the personal conclusions of an editor rather than anything explicitly revealed in the comics. The Paradox 01:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Unless somebody object to this one soon, I'm gonna prep it for Move. The Paradox 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Central Power Battery to Green Lantern Central Power Battery
It occurs to me that with the other Lantern Corps assembling, each will have its own Central Power Battery, three of which have also appeared. Therefore, this article would have to be moved and Central Power Battery be turned into a disambig. Where should we move this to? Green Lantern Central Power Battery? Oan Central Power Battery? -- SFH 05:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Are they all called Central Power Batteries? The Paradox 04:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The current articles are named as such, including Qwardian Central Power Battery and Star Sapphire Central Power Battery. -- SFH 06:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't go by the article name. What do the comics call them? 'Cause those are our source material, and whatever they are called in those is what we should be using. The Paradox 06:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * True. -- SFH 06:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe the GLC battery is canonically referred to as the Central Power Battery of Oa. --Brian Kurtz 08:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Update: The Sinestros battery on Warworld was called a "Central Power Battery" by the Guardians in Green Lantern Vol 4 25 as they discuss the end of the war. At the very least, that's two, which might justify a page move. -- SFH 02:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I tend to agree. Let's give it a couple more days, since people don't seem to monitor this page much. The Paradox 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

If the Green Lantern's Central Power Battery is known officially as the Central Power Battery of Oa then why don't we just keep that certain title only on the templete were it is currently shown I think at least twice on the templete but for the title of the actual article page why don't we call that Green Lantern Central Power Battery? But what ever title is desided to be the final title the page at least should not be called Central Power Battery since there is a total of 8 Lantern Corps and they all have central power battery. But I do agree with SFH he makes a good point in suggesting turning the page into a disambig page that would make more sense for the title that is currenly shown.

Rod12
 * Okay, I'm ready to start writting articles on the Red and Blue Central Power Batteries pretty soon. Can we agree on a name and move it, so that I can have some precedence for naming convention and so forth? -- SFH 22:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Guys? Do we have an agreed upon name yet? Green Lantern Central Power Battery or Central Power Battery of Oa? -- SFH 19:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

René Jacques Brande (Pre-Zero Hour) to Ren Daggle (Pre-Zero Hour)
I have to disagree with moving this page. While he may have been born a Daggle, he changed his identity years before founding the Legion and was legally known as Brande. The Paradox 19:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * There are several pros. It would help solidify his ties to his son, Reep Daggle (Pre-Zero Hour). Also, it would distinguish his character origins more solidly from René Jacques Brande (Post-Zero Hour), who was an actual human, and was actually born with that name. I see where you're coming from. It irks me everytime I have to type Edward Nashton instead of Edward Nigma, but I think in this case there's enough reason to. He's also now gone back to his Durlan form, albeit in death.


 * Plus, I really hate having to copy-paste people's names to get the pronounciation correctly when I'm making appearances. And I find it best to just try and avoid that whenever possible.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Still waiting for more comments... The Paradox 04:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Closed - no move. The Paradox 07:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I have to say, this one still bothers me. Could we get an outside opinion on this? Besides conventions, and the connection to his son, if only because it's a perfectly good way to not have to visit his article every single damn time he appears, just so you can copy-paste that stupid accent. If a third person looks at this and agrees that he should not be moved, then I'll drop it and accept it. I'd just like to have an actual decision on this, rather than a choice made through our lack of one.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I seems as if your main reason for moving it is editorial convenience, not accuracy of source material. Plain and simple, he changed his name. If the naming conventions are to use "real" names, no matter how dubious their application (Aztar comes to mind), then we should follow conventions. We don't call Gerald Ford "Leslie Lynch King, Jr.," we don't call Bill Clinton "William Jefferson Blythe III" and we shouldn't call R.J. Brande "Ren Daggle." If I changed my name I shouldn't have to put up with people calling me by the old one simply because it's more convenient for them. Oh, wait, that's exactly what happened. The Paradox 18:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Although editorial convenience is my favorite reason, I have stated several others. On all relating pages, he will still be referred to as "R.J. Brande". As to the analogies, no, we don't call him William Blythe. However, if he called himself Bill Clinton, despite his children and the rest of his family calling themselves Blythe, and he also had an alternate universe counterpart who had in fact been born Bill Clinton because unlike our Bill Clinton, this one was not a shape-shifting alien, it would conceivably be justifiable to name his comic reference page that akin to every other page on the site, noting him as Bill Clinton everywhere else he appears. My reasoning stands.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Cyrus Gold (New Earth)/Gallery to Solomon Grundy/Gallery
One of the messy consequences of the ever-changing naming conventions is the chaos it's brought to character galleries. Cyrus Gold (New Earth)/Gallery is a good case in point - of the 8 images, only three are from New Earth. Three different TV realities are also depicted. Lets just have the pagename reflect the reality of the gallery. The Paradox 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Impulse (Everyman Project) to Impulse (New Earth)
I personally hate this one, but it is the Naming Conventions. The Paradox 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * He's a single appearance character. Can we just delete him, and add a footnote to the Impulse disambig?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Seven months after the fact, but it appears the move hasn't happened yet . . . How about Impulse (Everyman Project) (New Earth)? Still conforms to the naming conventions without causing confusion with Bart Allen or Kent Shakespeare.  -- Profzoom 21:49, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Ted Grant (New Earth) to Theodore Grant (New Earth)
Somebody else tagged this without opening a discussion. I would like to know when his full name was revealed - I think changing it based on an assumption of his true name isn't good enough, given he has nearly 80 years of being Ted. The Paradox 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I tagged it for moving because it's already written on the character page. I suppose in theory he could be Edward Grant or Edwin Grant (Ted). Or maybe a nickname is on his birth certificate. Whatever. Who originally marked him as Theodore? Were they just speculating?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I dunno. I think someone was just taking a guess. I've been very conscious about good ole Ted Grant's name, and I'm always keeping an eye out for confirmation on Theodore or Edward. So far, I haven't found anything. --Brian Kurtz 18:23, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Damn. The DC Encyclopedia also lists him as Ted. Stupid lousy secret identities.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * So, Ted it is? If so, does anyone else think we could then use him as a example of a Quality Assessment character entry?
 * Roygbiv666 17:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Richard Starr (Earth-One) to Richard Starr (New Earth)
Another article tagged without a corresponding discussion. I'd like to see the article updated to include reference to his New Earth existence before this one is moved. The Paradox 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * He has a Who's Who confirmation, a Starman appearance and a handful of appearances in Trinity... that I know of.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Zero Girl Vol 2‎ to Zero Girl: Full Circle Vol 1
The individual issues are listed as Full Circle, the cover says Full Circle, without checking GCBD or comics.org I'd be willing to guess that this is published as Zero Girl: Full Circle. There's no reason I can think of why it shouldn't be named such here. The Paradox 01:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Go for it. That was made in another time.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 03:20, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Adam Strange's Jet Pack to Rannian Jet Pack
Perhaps this should be moved so as to not be so restrictive. Alanna Strange, Champ Hazard and other Rannians have also used these. --Brian Kurtz 16:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Seconded.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Good Lord, you responded fast! You're like the freakin' Barry Allen of keystrokes! --Brian Kurtz 16:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Wendy and Marvin
Teen Titans Vol 3 66 reveals that Wendy and Marvin are the children of the Calculator. Reason would assume that the would share his surname, Kuttler. However, we might want to wait until the story develops further, to see if they actually do share his last name. If nothing comes of it (which wouldn't surprise me considering the current quality of that title), then I say we move 'em anyway because single name characters suck.

Suggested move:
 * Wendy (New Earth) to Wendy Kuttler (New Earth)
 * Marvin (New Earth) to Marvin Kuttler (New Earth)

--Brian Kurtz 19:07, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe that that the Wendy/Calculator plot is actually going to be adressed during Oracle's Battle for the Cowl mini, but I would also agree on waiting to see if they're his legitimate kids first and thus legally share his last name. -- SFH 19:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Is anybody picking up the Calculator Faces spotlight this week in BoP? That might be helpful. Yeah, though, reasonable assumption.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * So, recent Teen Titans Annual says... Wendy White?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:49, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Sergeant Steel (New Earth)
Provided someone can provide a citation as to his real name (Sargent Steel), then let's do it. Roygbiv666 23:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Super Young Team (New Earth)
I disagree that this article needs to be moved. The tag cites the Naming Conventions page. Let's have a look at what I presume is the expected relevant section:


 * Character Entries. Character entries should be listed by the real name and earth-designation of the character if possible.

(We don't appear to have any particular section on Teams).

Looks to me like the Universe should be included. I see no persuasive reason that one rule should apply for individual characters and another for Teams (or locations for that matter). There was a JLA on Earth-One and a JLA on Earth-0/New Earth. Maybe we should be discussing the Naming Conventions before requesting moves.

Of course, it is possible to have one article with multiple sections, one for each reality, but one could argue the opposite as above. Is there a shortage of server space I don't know about? Thoughts?

Roygbiv666 02:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The move template automatically cites our hopelessly outdated naming conventions, not the suggestion itself. Teams, just like locations, races and items, provide general information on a broader, more conceptual subject than an individual character tied logically to their own birth reality. In special circumstances where information is specifically different between realities, such as in the case of the Justice League of America (only arguably valid anyway, and probably still unnecessary), it is justifiable. However, spray-painting a reality designation on every single article in some misguided attempt to be overly specific is not helpful, it is unnecessary, confusing to readers, and generates more work every time you want to reference a group that only appears in mainstream continuity anyway. It's the same reason that we have articles like Blüdhaven and not Blüdhaven (New Earth), or Green Arrow's Chili and not Green Arrow's Chili (New Earth). If it becomes apparent that we need to divide up the Super Young Team into multiple articles, because some writer coincidentally decides to start two other new teams using the exact same name but with no actual connection or relation (sarcastically hypothetical), then I will support the change. Until then, there are several reasons why this unnecessary reality bukkake spraying realities everywhere where they don't need to be is inconvenient, but I fail to see any actual benefits. I can only assume that the reason we have this system implemented at all anywhere is just leftover paranoia from 52 Week 52. Otherwise, while we're at it, wouldn't it be more "accurate" to divide, say, the Humans article into Humans (Earth-Two), Humans (Earth-One), Humans (Earth-5), etc.? It's a slightly blurry line, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least attempt to draw it somewhere.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 03:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I realize it's part of a template, I have been here for a while, Billy. I don't see how adding 10 characters ("(New Earth)") to an entry is a big deal. Although it's exceedingly unlikely that there would be other versions of this team, as a general principle, it's not that outre. Two perspectives spring to mind:
 * 1) Joseph Bazalgette designed the London combined sewer system in the late 1800s. When planning the network he took the most dense population, gave every person the most generous allowance of sewage production and came up with a diameter of pipe needed. He then said 'Well, we're only going to do this once and there's always the unforeseen.' and doubled the diameter to be used. (Doubling the diameter increases the capacity by four times.) Every Londoner should be grateful for this foresight as the unforeseen was the tower block. If he had used his original, smaller pipe diameter the sewer would have overflowed in the 1960s. As it is they are still in use to this day.
 * 2) The Marvel Universe obviously has many more than 52 alternative realities, so this next bit is perhaps tenuous. However, the MDP has about twice as many articles as this one. They have already gone through most of the challenges that we have and come up with some solutions (the inane "Comics" namespace aside). I would choose to learn from their experiences and have Universes for Teams.

Teams (and items, and locations) could readily get ridiculous with Universe designations, however based on the foregoing, I think it might not be a bad idea to start now in anticipation of multiple entries in the future.

Roygbiv666 00:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Batman: A Death in the Family
So you guys want to move Batman: A Death in the Family (Collections) Vol 1 1 to Batman: A Death in the Family, but there's a bunch of content in both pages. Shouldn't that just be a merge?

&mdash; Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk &bull; contribs &bull; email) 04:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's a merge. Ignore that.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 04:09, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

The Red Circle Vol 1
Yeah, I wasn't sure about "The" at the front, but have seen it on other titles. Should it be moved?
 * [[Image:Roygbiv666.jpg|25px|link=User talk:Roygbiv666]] 01:28, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * We tend to use it only where it's absolutely necessary. It makes templating a lot easier, as well as search functions. In this case, it's not really essential to the title.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Ultra-Humanite
Well, it looks like they retooled this guy's origin. As per Power Girl Vol 2 2 he now has the real name of Gerard Shugel. His timeline has been compressed so that he became the UH in the modern era, not the 1940s. And it appears as if he has only ever used the white monkey body, though this is just speculation. I don't mind tackling the changes; just wanted to give everybody a head's up. --Brian Kurtz 13:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the UH was originally a Golden Age Superman villain, right? So, by rights we either need some Pre/Post Crisis explanation thing, or a UH (Earth-Two) entry. I'd prefer copying the current UH data into a Ultra-Humanite (Earth-Two) entry, deleting any Post Crisis material, then moving the current entry to Gerard Shugel (New Earth) with all the Earth-Two data deleted. Discuss.
 * [[Image:Roygbiv666.jpg|25px|link=User talk:Roygbiv666]] 13:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I was thinking of something along those same lines. --Brian Kurtz 15:46, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Not necessary, When he was a member of the Time Stealers. Booster Gold still remembered his other forms. Together with Per Degaton and Despero. When they fought in an altered Timeline because Ted Kord didn't die, but Ted got back into time to die again, resetting the time. everbody in the altered timeline was pulled to the current one, somewhere. Not reading the Power girl comic but my guise is that this Ultra-Humanite is the someone his crimes have yet come to pass (or worse his time travelling experience has him changed in a chakter of its --Ouroborosi 17:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Wait, is this some damn time-travel thing where from UH's perspective his first body is the gorilla, and he later takes Delores Winters in the past, but in his "future"? Time travel sucks. Wasn't this alluded to in Justice League of America Vol 2 8?
 * [[Image:Roygbiv666.jpg|25px|link=User talk:Roygbiv666]] 00:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I haven't read that issue mind you, but looking as the Booster Gold Vol 2 hadn't been puplished yet, it could be more then likely

With Delores Winters probably erased from time (the two mysterious people are probably Per Degaton and Despero). Well it explains now why The Ultra Humanite wants power girl as a host its orginal is probbaly dead and an other time --Ouroborosi 20:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Martha Kent (New Earth) to Martha Clark (New Earth)
Naming conventions. Clark is Martha's maiden name. -- Profzoom 23:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Nora Allen (Earth-One) to Nora Thompson (Earth-One)
Naming conventions (maiden name). Note that we haven't seen the New Earth (aka Post-Flash: Rebirth) Nora's maiden name yet, so I think it should stay where it is, rather than assuming it's Thompson as well. -- Profzoom 23:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Gregory Sanders (New Earth) to Gregory Sanders (Earth-Two)
While I agree that most of the history should be moved to such an article, there definitely is a Gregory Sanders from/on New Earth as seen in the most recent version of 7 Soldiers and limited series "Vigilante: City Lights, Prairie Justice." So I don't think the page itself should be moved, just most of the content. --WolfordMnemsis 00:09, October 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think that this is a case where we need an actual move... at most, maybe a new page could be created and the appearances swiped? Personally though, as always, I am in favor of keeping information about a single character to one page if we can and explaining differences in the history text.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:59, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Tia Amparo Cardenas (New Earth) to Amparo Cardenas (New Earth)
Shouldn't she be moved to just Amparo? The word "tia" is spanish for aunt. Unless its been said somewhere that this really is her first name, it should be moved. Or maybe they've given her a first name somewhere else. Kyletheobald 13:15, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Topo (New Earth) to Topo the Octopus (New Earth)
I think this should be done. For one, it would free up the name Topo for Aquaman's (Arthur Curry) sidekick Topo. This way we won't have to add something else to his name like Squidboy. He never really was called anything but Topo. A second reason is that this will bring it in line with other animals such as Frankie the Monkey. Kyletheobald 19:27, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Patrick O'Brian (The Brave and the Bold) to Edward O'Brian (The Brave and the Bold)
His actual name is revealed in Batman: The Brave and the Bold: Long Arm of the Law!. -- Tupka 217 21:12, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Supernova III to Supernova III (New Earth)
The page is missing its reality tag. -- Tupka 217 18:54, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

X-24 (New Earth) to Rosabelle Mendez (New Earth)
Revealed in Booster Gold Vol 2 8. Even though it's an alternate timeline, it seems legit. -- Tupka 217 20:04, January 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's no precedent for this one, but I'm willing to set it. Alternate timelines have different rules than alternate universes. In this case, the divergent point in the timeline was well into her career. I see no reason why anything revealed to have happened before the new timeline started wouldn't be perfectly in continuity. Approved, we'll get a bot to handle the move.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:16, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

I've been reading (and filling in character data and stuff for) the Titans Hunt story line recently and I just got to the issue where she first appears... if she's going to be moved to Rosabelle Mendez (New Earth), should I tag her as that instead of X-24 (New Earth), or X-24 (New Earth), since it's the present page?J&#39;onn J&#39;onzz 16:10, February 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, tag her as X-24 right now and the bot will sort it all out.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:51, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

I say definitely move her to Rosabelle Mendez (New Earth). X-24 is her designation, but not really her name. ZeroSD 23:07, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Imra Ardeen (New Earth) to Imra Ardeen (Earth-Prime)
This, along with all the Legion of Super-Heroes character entries listed as New Earth when they are supposed to be Earth-Prime, should be moved.

Garth Ranzz (New Earth) to Garth Ranzz (Earth-Prime)
As stated above, if it's the Earth-Prime character, it should be listed as so.

Legion of Super-Heroes (New Earth) to Legion of Super-Heroes (Earth-Prime)
This page should be moved to Earth-Prime, seeing as it's that version of the team.

Metal Men to Metal Men (New Earth)
Currently, it only has a "See also Metal Men (Earth-9)", but there's more versions of them. They exist in Earth-9, Earth-21, Earth-22 (as Alloy, the Metal Man), Earth-44, The Nail, Justice, DC One Million and BTBATB, and there's Metal Men Vol 1 and Tangent Comics: Metal Men, which, I think, is enough to give them their own disambiguation page. -- Tupka 217 08:18, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Mallory Kimbal (New Earth) to Mallory Kimball (New Earth)
Because I should've checked before I made that page. Spelled Kimball in Detective Comics #859. -- Tupka 217 10:18, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done manually. -- Tupka 217 10:10, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Doctor Gruener (New Earth) to Benjamin Gruener (New Earth)
Revealed in. -- Tupka 217 10:01, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Enrico Inzerillos (New Earth) to Enrico Inzerillo (New Earth)
The family is "the Inzerillos", but that's plural. The surname is just Inzerillo. See Cry for Blood and Gotham Central. -- Tupka 217 11:43, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Jason Troy to Jason Troy (Impact)
I think that Jason Troy should be moved to Jason Troy (Impact), not Jason Troy (New Earth). All of the comics listed with Jason Troy appearances are Impact appearances. I'm not sure if he's been introduced in the newest Shield Vol 1 or Web Vol 1 series or not, but that character would be Jason Troy (New Earth), not the one that is currently listed as Jason Troy. I ask that Prof. Zoombot pleases changes all Jason Troy to Jason Troy (Impact). Thanks. Goblyn4evil 22:48, July 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm cool with that. I originally wanted to put up a move3 template, but decided on New Earth because that's what the new MLJ comics have. The Impact era wasn't that well documented. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 06:25, July 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done and done. No need for the Zoombot.Goblyn4evil 20:59, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Congo Bill (New Earth) to Bill Glenmorgan (New Earth)
Revealed on the very first page of Justice League of America #47 (as "Congo Bill" Glenmorgan). Although I don't know whether it should be Bill or William... -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 19:37, July 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd go with William, but yeah, sounds good.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 05:57, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Veteran (New Earth) to Nathan Howe (New Earth)
Yup. Based on Justice Society of America Vol 3 39, I say, do it! Goblyn4evil 22:06, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Kalel Kent (Earth-One, 2020) to Kalel Kent (Earth-One)
There's really no need for the year, seeing as he's the only Earth-One Kalel Kent. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 15:04, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's valid. Seconded.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 05:57, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Irik T. Roval (Antimatterverse) to Irik T. Roval (Antimatter Universe)
Naming standard. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 16:59, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

SBG to Earth-3898
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 * Marvel and DC editor, 16:13, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I pointed you in this direction so now, we can ask a bot to do most of the work. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 14:17, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Renegades to Renegades (New Earth)
There's Earth-One Renegades too, Freedom Fighters villains. New Renegades also popped up in. Should those be Renegages II (New Earth), or should it be merged with Renegades (Earth-One) and the Future Flash Rogues be moved to Renegades II? -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 22:05, September 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * How about making the Flash villains Renegades (25th Century). or... what are they, the Reverse-Flash Task Force or something?
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:16, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Ace of Clubs (DCAU) to Ace of Clovers (DCAU)
This just occurred to me: Ace should actually be at "Ace of Clovers (DCAU)". The "Ace of Clubs (DCAU)" is the robot in Batman Beyond. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 21:16, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good point, Tupka. (VicGeorge2K9 21:31, September 9, 2010 (UTC))


 * You know, I should really not edit after midnight. I honestly thought "Clubs" meant "Spades". -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 22:31, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Professor Radium (New Earth) to Henry Ross (New Earth)
I can't believe this one isn't already done. Anyway, we know his name so it should be moved over. Kyletheobald 20:11, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Sergeant Cayce (New Earth) to William Cayce (New Earth)
I think we got ahead of ourselves making this page. His name is revealed in his second appearance, Shield Vol 1 1.

Jack of Spades (New Earth) to Jack of Spades III (New Earth)
Jack is the only unnamed member of the second gang, however, Jack of Spades I was Hi-Jack (Earth-One), who changed suits from Clubs in. Oh, and Hi-Jack made New Earth appearances too, so he should be moved to Hi-Jack (New Earth).

And as you might have noticed, I'm taking the RFG head on at the moment. I'm doing pips first, I'm waiting for a couple of issues coming in and then I'll tackle the Face cards. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 12:27, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Super Friends Vol 2 to DC Super Friends Vol 1
That's the full cover title, and it helps to disambiguate. No more "Bruce Wayne (Super Friends Vol 2)" but rather "Bruce Wayne (DC Super Friends)". -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 18:07, September 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a great idea.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:21, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Royal Flush Gang
A lot of move requests in one: --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 18:18, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wanda Weyland (New Earth) to Wanda Wayland (New Earth); originally typoed on creation by Answerguy.
 * King of Clubs (New Earth) to Kerry (New Earth); not as much a move as it is a merge; all appearances are under KoC.
 * Queen of Clubs (New Earth) to Queenie (New Earth): she's Q of Clubs I and Spades I
 * Hi-Jack (Earth-One) to Hi-Jack (New Earth): has appeared post-crisis (though not as Hi-Jack)
 * Michael Bailey (New Earth) to Michael Bailey (Earth-One): hasn't appeared post-crisis.

Thaal Sinestro (Earth-3898) to Sinestro (Earth-3898)
I don't see where he's even called Thaal Sinestro anywhere in Superman & Batman: Generations. I say let's move it. Anyone agree? (VicGeorge2K9 19:28, October 1, 2010 (UTC))


 * Yeah. Same for Thaal Sinestro (Earth-32). -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 20:42, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

John Doe (New Earth) to Rumble (New Earth)
Since the name is used for other identity-unknown characters, I'd think it's safe to say this isn't his real name. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 20:44, October 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Manually moved to Rumble II (New Earth) because of Rumble I (New Earth). Updated all the links. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 09:19, November 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * You the man.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:50, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Wanted Categories
We should probably let the bot go through Special:WantedCategories. A lot of them are artists that have pages elsewhere (Bill Ely, George Perez, Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez) or redirected character names ("Bartholomew Allen (Earth-One)/Appearances", "Justice League of America/Appearances", "Alan Scott (Earth-Two)/Appearances", "Jay Garrick (Earth-Two)/Appearances"). Probably need to set up a list first. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 21:47, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

(New Frontier) to (Earth-21)
The following was taken from Talk: DC: The New Frontier Vol 1:

Given the overhaul in updating the DC multiverse, I'm beginning to think of moving the New Frontier characters to Earth-21.--Drgyen 20:21, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, we probably should. I just prefer we move this by bot since it's obviously more than we have on most other realities. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 20:31, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Then its agree then. I give my consent.--Drgyen 22:21, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Somebody should put move tags up on all the characters then talk to Nathan.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:15, October 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Can't we let the bot do that? ;P -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 05:43, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Sent a PM to Nathan -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 07:06, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Green Man (New Earth) to Green Man II (New Earth)
There was an earlier character called "Green Man", of the Omega Men. They need to be distinguished in some whay, either with Green Man I and II or "of the Omega Men" and "of Sector 2828" or something. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 08:24, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure they are different. From what I understand, the planet Green Man comes from doesn't have individuality and the guy broke this custom to take the name Green Man. He joined the GL Corps and, later, Omega Men and was seemingly killed. Then, with the rebirth of the Corps, he reappeared. I believe it was the original and not a second guy. They've treated him as the same character in his appearances in GL vol 4 and it seems unlikely another person from his planet would rebel and also take the Green Man name. Kyletheobald 10:25, October 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * They're definitely different. The original was killed... the second one is treated as basically the same person because they have no individuality. One of them was exclusively a member of the Omega Men, the other was exclusively a member of the Green Lantern Corps. Here's an image of the original getting slaughtered by Durlans during Invasion!
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:20, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sonar II (New Earth) to Sonar III (New Earth)
Doom Patrol Vol 2 6 also has a villain named Sonar. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 08:10, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Most Excellent Super Bat (New Earth) to Heino Okata (New Earth
Mosexsbat is called Heino in the comics, but Heino Okata in Greg Cox' novelization of Final Crisis (page 53). I couldn't find a precedent for this, but it seems legit to me. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 12:42, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hel Lokison (New Earth) to Hel (New Earth)
Or Hel Lokisdaughter (New Earth)... Hel is a woman, and would not be called "son of Loki". -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 10:50, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Alicia Grissom (Burtonverse) and Eckhardt (Burtonverse)
She is listed in the credits as Alicia Hunt and is never actually stated as Carl Grissom's wife, she is infact his mistress so I suggest the page be moved to Alicia Hunt (Burtonverse). (Also incase there was a problem with my movement of Eckhardt (Burtonverse) to Max Eckhardt (Burtonverse) that was because Max is his first name, again from the credits and possibly is even mentioned in the film) -Doomlurker 17:31, November 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not that there's anything wrong with the suggested moves, far from it. However, all pages on which the article is linked need to be updated - double redirects need to be fixed, autocategorization needs to be updated. It's just not that simple as pressing the "move" button. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 17:41, November 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * If I do this is it ok to move the article? Its just the appearances category that needs changing and the articles putting them as Alicia Hunt (Burtonverse)/Appearances rather than Alicia Grissom (Burtonverse)/Appearances - Doomlurker 19:44, November 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes. As long as you tag categories and pages that are no longer needed with delete. The category needs to be changed in the template itself, by replacing Alicia Grissom (Burtonverse) with Alicia Hunt (Burtonverse), not by adding Alicia Hunt (Burtonverse)/Appearances to the page. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 20:00, November 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Never mind, you already figured it out. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 20:03, November 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alicia is ready to be moved, I'm not sure if you want to do it or if I should so I'll leave it unless you say otherwise, I'll start on Eckhardt. And I tagged Alicia Grissom for deletion. - Doomlurker 20:10, November 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * This is all sorted now. - Doomlurker 20:22, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Starrware Labs to Starrware Industries
I'm suggesting, that we change this articles name to "Starrware Industries". As it's repeatably given in this name, in Power Girl's title. Starrware Labs is it's main subsidiary. But, there are most likely other subsidiaries. Like Karen Starr's software company Starrware, Inc. (until she sold it) and charitable orginizations, like the Starr Foundation for orphaned children. So, having this article named "Starrware Labs" is like naming the "Wayne Enterprises" article, for "WayneTech" (or any other of it's subsidairies).
 * I agree. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 21:06, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Goldilocks (New Earth) to Dorothy Leigh (New Earth)
Do we have any reference for this name change? I don't remember her ever being named. Kyletheobald 14:49, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Molly Mayne (New Earth) to Molly Maynne (New Earth)
Who's Who gives the name two n's, as does the Solomon Grundy miniseries, and every other instance I came across the name. Where does the one n spalling come from? -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 13:22, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

It's spelled Molly Mayne in every issue of Infinity Inc. in which she appears. I tend to defer to Roy Thomas when it comes to the Golden Age characters. I've never seen it spelled Molly Maynne. Tony ingram 16:30, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Merry Pemberton (New Earth) to Meredith Pemberton (New Earth)
Full first name revealed in Seven Soldiers: Bulleteer Vol 1 2. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 10:08, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Alan Armstrong (New Earth) to Alan Armstron (Earth-S)
Everything on that page is the Earth-S version of the character, and most pages (except Spy Smasher Vol 1) already link to it. Alan Armstrong (New Earth) has, so far, only appeared in Power of Shazam Vol 1, in flashbacks only. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 21:06, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

William Perkins (New Earth) to William Perkins (Earth-X)
He's a quality character that has made few to no appearances in the DCU. Probably should just be moved over to Earth-X unless anyone has a reason it should stay. Kyletheobald 16:01, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

William Perkins is indeed a Quality character, but like a lot of the Quality characters we have listed as Earth-X charactyers, there's no actual evidence in-story that he ever went there. Roy Thomas established in All-Star Squadron thatall the Quality characters were originally from Earth-Two, not Earth-X; the only ones who went to Earth-X were those depicted as moving there in ASS #50, and the Mouthpiece and a lot of the others were not among them. They weren't native to that world. I guess a case might be made for Perkins being an Earth-Two character, but then surely he'd be a New Earth character post-COIE anyway? Tony ingram 16:27, February 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hehe, ASS... um, this seems like a broader issue entirely. We tend to default considering these characters as Earth-X, but that's a very specific choice... most of the established Quality characters aren't officially from Earth-X, and X isn't just a self-contained Quality Comics universe... it's a naziverse, that most of these characters don't seem to be necessarily inhabiting in their older appearances.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:34, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Umm, then why default to placing them on Earth-X? Why not Earth-Two, which is where they would logically have originated? It isn't even being used consistently: look at Sandra Knight (Earth-Two), which is at Earth-Two despite being shown as Earth-X on the Phantom Lady disambig page. Tony ingram 16:41, February 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, that last example is because even though she's technically from Earth-Two she's most commonly associated as an Earth-X character in the DCU.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:26, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

But they're all technically from Earth-Two! And Sandra Knight in particular made far more appearances as an Earth-Two character (In several years' worth of All-Star Squadron issues) than she ever did as an Earth-X character (in just two issues of JLA and two of COIE). In fact, the Freedom Fighters all appeared more often on Earth-One than they did Earth-X. And there seems no logical reason to place characters like Mouthpiece, William Dunn, Stormy Foster or Brian O'Brien on Earth-X when they were never seen as existing there. Particularly when others, like Black Condor (who did go there) are listed as Earth-Two characters. I don't think there were actually any characters confirmed as originating on Earth-X, in the end. Not after All-Star Squadron #31 and #50. It just seems a totally arbirary designation. Tony ingram 19:45, February 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I just wanted to bring up something similar to this as I had noticed it, but my knowledge of ASS isn't that good Tony's. Other than Earth-1, Earth-2 and Earth-S, it's a bit of a mess with the old multiverse. Quality arguably the biggest. Answerguy's and DPeattie's villain articles probably need some tinkering in Earth designations. I mean, Blue Beetle/Dan Garret was originally Fox, but became Earth-Four (though they added an extra T at the end). Phantom Lady's Fox years were Earth-Two, but Dan Garret's Earth-Fox. Kid Eternity was retconned to be Earth-S, though he was Quality at first. I'm pretty sure some of his villains are labeled Earth-X. Luckily there weren't any crossovers in those days, so they still pretty much stand on their own and moving them wouldn't disrupt much. Do we move everything to Earth-Two, a hypothetical Earth-Quality, or are we lazy and keeping it this way? -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 22:06, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

In fact, the existence of an 'Earth Quality' was posited more than twenty years ago in the Official COIE Index published by Eclipse, to explain away the post-war stories of various Quality characters like Phantom Lady and Doll Man who would logically have been on Earth-X by then. It made sense to me then, and still does-I think the ewarth-X designation is pretty meaningless since we know at least half the Quality characters didn't originate there and a lot of the original stories couldn't possibly have occurred there (pretty much any story published after Pearl Harbor, in fact). In theory, characters like Wildfire, Bill Dunn and the Clock could all have been and remained on Earth-Two as they were never seen to leave it, or they could have been on the COIE Index compilers' hypothetical 'Earth Q'. Maybe the simplest solution would be to simply place them all on either Earth-Two if they appeared in All-Star Squadron (and had conspicuously different pre-Crisis histories) or New earth if they didn't? Tony ingram 09:17, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed with that. On a similar note, Earth-X's Blackhawks were said to have been killed in '44 (in ), but Quality published lots of post-war stories. The Silver Age Blackhawks lived on Earth-1, though, as E-1 Superman and Batman showed up once. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 11:26, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Karl Kyle (New Earth) to King of the Cats II (New Earth)

 * Currently, there are two articles for this character, Karl Kyle (Earth-Two) and Karl Kyle (New Earth). Karl was originally Earth-Two. Though a dead ringer for Karl shows up in, I find it premature to call him Karl and list him as Selina's brother, as her post-Crisis origins and family are completely different. I would, therefore, suggest moving this to King of the Cats II (New Earth). There was another KotC in , but that was apparently Thomas Blake. (Haven't read the issues, so I can't tell for sure) -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 11:26, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

I-Ching (Earth-One) to I-Ching (New Earth)
He's had post-Crisis appearances. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 15:37, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ironwolf to Ironwolf (Earth-One)
Same as Valcan, this swords and sandals guy is missing a continuity identifier. He's had only three appearances to date. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 22:13, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Make that four, possibly five appearances. The arguable one might be an ancestor cameoing in Twilight. However, Ironwolf proper appears in a semi-sequel/retelling of the Weird Worlds run, Ironwolf: Fires of the revolution, which is tied to Twilight by virtue of Homer Glint appearing in an extended sequence. Since Twilight manages to mangle such spatiotemporally distinct characters like Tommy Tomorrow, the Space Rovers, Star Hawkins, Manhunter 2070, Space Cabbie and the Space Museum, among others, into one bizarre narrative this is Earth-Chaykin, not Earth-One. --Lucien61 10:21, March 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Twilight is an elseworlds story, but that does not mean all the characters in it are exclusive to that universe. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 12:49, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Santiago Vargas (New Earth) to Santiago Vargas (New Earth)
Real name given in Batman Inc. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 13:13, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Thor and Loki to New Earth
They've appeared post-Crisis, mainly in War of the Gods. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 20:35, March 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Adding to that: A lot of Norse gods appeared in Inferior 5 #4, which would make them Earth-Twelve versions... I very much feel making the New Earth articles "Earth-Twelve; Earth-One; New Earth".

Move James Olsen (Smallville) to Henry James Olsen (New Earth)
Turns out that Smallville Jimmy, now that he's dead, has a kid brother, whose name is also James. And that Big!Jimmy's name is Henry James. Just to make it not weird at all. So, if the kid is now officially supposed to grow up to be, well, Jimmy Olsen, may I add my voice to those who call for Big!Jimmy to be officially moved to Henry James Olsen. And then we can get a raise a toast to criminally unimaginative parents everywhere. CaptainKobold 23:22, March 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't it at least go to Henry James Olsen (Smallville)? Kyletheobald 23:53, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Jonni Thunder
Given that almost every appearance Jonni ever made after her initial limited series was post-Crisis and clearly on New Earth, I see no reason why she's still listed as being on Earth-Two. Tony ingram 23:56, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Silver Ghost/Earth-X
Also, Raphael Van Zandt has now been established as existing on New Earth. And as far as I can see, pretty much every character currently attributed to Earth-X should in fact be listed as either New Earth or Earth-Two. There's no evidence most of them ever went to Earth-X (excluding those seen migrating there in All-Star Squadron), and pretty much no way most of them could have originated there given that Earh-X was overrun by nazis by 1942 and a lot of the characters in the earth-X category weren't introduced until after that, in adventures set on a conspicuously non Nazi dominated world. Tony ingram 00:19, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * DPeattie and Answerguy both created a lot of villain articles a while back, and added (Earth-X) to Quality characters. They're not "true" Earth-X. Pre-DP/AG Quality characters (and some Fox) are listed as Earth-Two, or Earth-Two (Retcon) (Phantom Girl and Doll Girl mostly). That's where most can go, as far as I'm concerned. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 17:14, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

I tend to agree. I'd place them on Earth-Two or, if they've been mentioned since COIE, New Earth. I don't think there's really any such thing as an 'Earth-X' character, except for characters like the Earth-X Martha Roberts. All the actual heroes appear to have migrated from earth-Two. Tony ingram 17:46, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * And three guesses what Martha Roberts is actually called...? -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 18:09, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well, if we're talking about the Earth-X Martha Roberts (daughter of a civilian sceintist, later murdered by the Nazis), she was called...Martha Roberts! As was the Earth-One version. It was only the Earth-Two/New Earth Martha who was ever Doll Girl. Tony ingram 18:13, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * My brain hurts. And we haven't even talked about continuity trainwreck Blackhawks yet. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 18:33, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, given that Martha has since been mentioned and reported dead in one of the recent freedom fighters mini-series', she should probably be moved to New Earth anyway, and her history updated properly to reflect that. Unless the feeling is that there should be separate entries for the three Martha's? Hmm...Tony ingram 18:35, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's almost always preferable to explain it in-universe so people don't have to go to three different pages to get the sstory on what's essentially one character... unless they're completely incompatible with each other like Hugo Strange or someone. Of course, it's always okay to make a main article for the New Earth version and link to priors in their history section.
 * - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:48, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

That might be worth doing, then. Either way, Martha is/was definitely a New Earth character now, and the New earth version is essentially indistinguishable from the Earth-Two version so I think a move is in order. The alternate Martha that probably deserves a separate entry would be the Earth-One version, who cropped up in a few places in the '70s. I think the Earth-X version was only seen once, and that was when she died. Tony ingram 21:21, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Whirlicane (Earth-One)
Whirlicane's real name was revealed to be Emilo Storn when he reappeared in Superman Vol 1 303.


 * Moved manually. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 14:56, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Shorty Morgan (Earth-Two) to Samuel Morgan (New Earth)
The newspaper obit in calls him "Samuel (Shorty) Morgan". Which also makes him New Earth, as it's a year post-Crisis. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 14:56, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sandra of the Secret Service (Earth-Two) to Sandra McClaine (Earth-Two)
I actually don't have any reference on this other than it was already on her page. The contributor was Saturn12, who I don't even recognize. He or she did do most of his or her edits on really old-school stuff like that if it makes it more credible. Anyway, its now here for discussion. Kyletheobald 20:41, May 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I checked the appearances that I have (leftovers from my image hunt) and couldn't find it, but I'll see if I can find more. Problem is both More Fun and New Fun are available only as really bad fiche scans, and Sandra only got one page per issue. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 20:54, May 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I went over most appearances, but it's never McClaine or McClane. I haven't been able to find, her first appearance, and many New Fun and More Fun issues she's in aren't scanned, nor reprinted. So unless whoever added it comes up with a source, I'd say don't move. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 21:33, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Rose Psychic (Earth-Two) to Rose Psychic (New Earth)
She's had more post- than pre-crisis appearances, most of them in Vertigo. Making two separate articles is pointless, also because it's impossible to get a good image from New Fun/More Fun (see Sandra above). --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 08:33, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Scarab (New Earth) to Maat Shadid (New Earth)
Revealed in Red Robin Vol 1 23. Kyletheobald 04:26, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Talon the Hawk (New Earth) to Talon the Falcon (New Earth)
I'm not convinced as to the necessity of having the page at all, but for accuracy's sake, the article refers to the bird as a hawk, despite the fact that in every appearance, it is referred to as a falcon.

So, Talon is a falcon. Not a hawk. That's why I proposed the move. Tupka217 suggested he supported the move.
 * - Hatebunny 21:26, May 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * I haven't read Knightfall (yet) (still), but if he/she's a falcon, it should be moved. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 21:49, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Kendra Saunders (Earth-16) to Hawkwoman (Earth-16)
Greg Weissman calls her Hawkwoman all the time, and it's unclear whether she's actually Kendra. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 21:49, May 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Done manually. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 21:24, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Catwoman III (New Earth) to Black (New Earth)
This was moved earlier but I put it back to restore the links. Personally, I don't think it should be moved. So far only her last name has been revealed and Black (New Earth) really is a awkward name (she's the daughter of Danton Black) even if its mostly correct. I don't know what is best; its here now for discussion at least. Kyletheobald 01:40, June 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it looks uncouth and ugly for women. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 08:13, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Gigi Cuisimano or Gigi Cusimano?
Gigi Cuisimano (Pre-Zero Hour) NOTE: Only one "i" in her last name. Should be Gigi Cusimano (Pre-Zero Hour) Perhaps a "bot" move? (Anti-Lad 20:10, June 20, 2011 (UTC))

Gang (Earth-One) to Gang (New Earth)
The Gang was has nearly as many appearances Post-Crisis than it had Pre and its members more so. Kyletheobald 19:05, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Jacob Baker (New Earth) to Jacob Baker (Earth-One)
He made only one appearance in 1960, making him an Earth-One character.--1966batfan 18:15, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Didn't the second Zebra-Man get his powers based on the same experiment or disaster or whatever that created the Jacob Baker version? That makes me assume that Baker is New Earth too. Kyletheobald 02:30, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, they both have diamagnetic powers.--1966batfan 15:30, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sturges Hellstrom (New Earth) to Sturges Hellstrom (Earth-One)
Only appeared twice in 1984, making him an Earth-One character.--1966batfan 18:32, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Anton Knight (New Earth) to Anton Knight (Earth-One)
Last appearance: Batman # 400, which is Earth-One.--1966batfan 18:42, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Doyle (New Earth) to Thomas Doyle (Earth-One)
3 appearances, all in 1984, a pre-Crisis year.--1966batfan 19:20, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Printer's Devil II (New Earth) to Printer's Devil II (Earth-One)
Ditto Doyle, but had 2 appearances.--1966batfan 19:22, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Pinball Wizard (New Earth) to Pinball Wizard (Earth-One)
Ditto Doyle again.--1966batfan 19:25, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Bad Penny (New Earth) to Bad Penny (Earth-One)
Ditto Doyle again.--1966batfan 19:27, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Horace Canfield (New Earth) to Horace Canfield (New Earth)
"Bulldozer" Canfield and "Bulldozer" Nichols are two different characters. Canfield is the best known, in Our Army at War, Sgt. Rock and Suicide Squad Vol 2 and virtually everywhere else. Nichols had one initial appearance (before Canfield) and then returned in Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E. Vol 1 7 as a general. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 22:31, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sportsmaster (Earth-16) to Lawrence Crock (Earth-16)
In Young Justice Vol 2 7 Artemis's father is revealed to have the first name Lawrence. That's the same name as the New Earth Sportsmaster. Paired with his relationship with Artemis, I think that's enough proof to justify a move. Kyletheobald 18:39, August 28, 2011 (UTC) Definitely right.--1966batfan 20:28, August 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nothing's certain yet. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 10:12, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Checkmate to Checkmate (New Earth)
I guess we need to move Checkmate to Checkmate (New Earth). Why? There are two different versions of Checkmate (the Comic Version and the Smallville Version). Maybe Checkmate will be a part of any other series or another earth in the DC Universe. --JimmyOlsen 16:31, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Teshomé Hawkins (Dakotaverse) to Teshomé Hawkins (New Earth)
He never appeared in the Dakotaverse, only in the special, which is New Earth. -<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 09:47, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Thaal Sinestro (Justice) to Sinestro (Justice)
Justice came out before the first name Thaal was first used. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 13:08, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Amparo Cardenas (New Earth) to Amparo Cardenas (New Earth)
In Blue Beetle Vol 3 1 they reveal her last name. Kyletheobald 18:59, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * agreed --Ouroborosi 15:03, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Dollmaker (New Earth) to Dollmaker II (New Earth)
To avoid confusion with Anton Schott. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 06:18, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

A comic that just came out today (Detective Comics (Volume 2) #3) revealed his name to be Barton Mathis so I guess Barton Mathis (New Earth) would be the proper name designation.--Queso6p7 23:38, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Nathaniel Adam (Earth-16) to Nathaniel Adams (Earth-16)
Young Justice Vol 2 9 reveals his full name. Unfortunately, I missed it before creating his daughter and she needs moved now too. Kyletheobald 06:56, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Lola (New Earth) to Lola MacIntire (New Earth)
Her full name was revealed in Catwoman Vol 4 3 --JimmyOlsen 07:17, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. The name Lola must have been used a number of times in comics. To prevent confusion, this one should be moved to the full name. My only question, are we still using (New Earth) for characters introduced post-Flashpoint? Joshua Weil 03:36, November 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep. I asked Tupka a few weeks ago. It's still New Earth. I would prefer a new page for every "after-Flashpoint" character but it's still New Earth. --JimmyOlsen 13:40, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Mirror (New Earth) to Jonathan Mills (New Earth)
His full name was revealed --JimmyOlsen 07:19, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Actor:Diedrich Bader to Actors:Diedrich Bader
Consistancy across the snippits for Actors. Actor:Tara Strong should also be moved for the same reason. - Byfield 19:09, December 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Done. --08:34, December 17, 2011 (UTC)<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217

Paco Testas (New Earth) to Paco Testas (New Earth)
Finally revealed in Blue Beetle Vol 3 4. Kyletheobald 11:17, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Pete Ross (Smallville) to Peter Ross (Smallville)
Naming conventions. Kyletheobald 14:13, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Saiko (New Earth) to Raymond (New Earth)
The last page of Nightwing (vol. 3) #5 has confirmed Saiko's real identity as Raymond whose name was previously mentioned in the third issue. -Adv193 01:08, January 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Is Raymond his first or last name? I think we might want to wait until we have both names. Kyletheobald 01:18, January 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay but at least I am bringing this to your attention. -Adv193 01:21, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Swamp Thing Annual Vol 2 to Swamp Thing Annual Vol 1
Long and the short: This is the only volume of Swamp Thing Annual. The base page, issue pages, and categories should be moved to reflect this.

- Byfield 19:52, January 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Annuals are named in conjunction with the series that was published at the time. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 20:14, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * So, if DC published Swamp Thing Annual #1 this year, we would post it as "Swamp Thin Annual Vol 5 1" rather than "Vol 2" (actual 2nd volume of the indecia title) or "Vol 3"?
 * - Byfield 23:48, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Like the Supergirl Annuals, Vol 4 and Vol 5. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 08:21, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Kiran Singh (New Earth) to Kiran Singh (New Earth)
Revealed in Teen Titans Vol 4 5. Kyletheobald 08:11, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Flak (New Earth) to Clete Jenkins (New Earth)
Shown in Damage Vol 1 6. Kyletheobald 01:41, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Mental Instability to Mental Illness
Consistency with the category - Category:Mental Illness - which the template feeds pages into.

- Byfield 01:16, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

White Rabbits
I: Angora Lapin, Steel villain II: (currently just WR, which might be confusing to new readers) Shadowpact villain III: (currently II) New 52 Bats villain --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 (talk 10:26, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Hop Harrigan (Earth-Two) to Hop Harrigan (New Earth)
He has at least a couple New Earth appearances. Kyletheobald 16:58, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Helmut Streicher (Earth-Two) to Helmut Streicher (New Earth)
This one I'm not as sure on. He appears in Young All-Stars 16-19 but he doesn't appear as Red Panzer. Not sure if we should move it or create a new page. Opinions? Kyletheobald 07:00, February 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * New Earth. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 (talk 15:43, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Superman (Vathlo) to Kalel of Krypton (Earth-23)
The "Superman (Vathlo)" article is about a parallel version of Superman who is black and also President of the United States, created by Grant Morrison. In Action Comics Vol 2 9, we meet Kalel of Krypton, the Superman of Earth-23, who is black and also President of the United States, and created by Grant Morrison.

I propose that they are... the same man. CaptainKobold 22:09, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Brian Buccelato to Brian Buccellato
Correct spelling according to the DC website and his personal twitter. Batgorilla 00:14, May 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Moved it. - Hatebunny 01:37, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Indigo-1 (New Earth) to Iroque (New Earth)
Revealed in Green Lantern Vol 5 9. Kyletheobald 03:33, May 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * This is done. - Hatebunny 01:55, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Bonnie King (New Earth) to Bonnie King (New Earth)
Maiden name. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 (talk 22:26, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Anais Guillot (New Earth) to Anais Guillot (New Earth)
Checkmate Vol 2 21 - 22 rewrites the story of Marie and is given the name Anais Guillot. Though there were a few other women active during the war with the Marie codename, she was the one responsible for all the recorded WWII adventures so there shouldn't be any confusion with moving her. Kyletheobald 14:33, January 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Anais Guillot (New Earth) would best be a redirect to Mademoiselle Marie, then. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 14:38, January 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I moved it anyway! So what!? -Hatebunny 04:04, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Martha Wayne (New Earth) to Martha Kane (New Earth)
Kane is her maiden name.--1966batfan 19:42, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ernie Chua to Ernie Chan
According to the man himself, Chua was something he was stuck with by immigration, his real last name is Chan. The MDP has him listed as "Ernesto Chan", but he goes by Ernie. Currently, his stuff is split up between Chua and Chan, likely due to whatever he used in his signature at the time.
 * Roygbiv666 Sig 001.png 15:28, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually remembered to put the MOVE template on the page. That, any any of his categories should also be moved.
 * Roygbiv666 20:13, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Darwin Jones (New Earth) to Darwin Jones (New Earth)
Darwin has shown up in a couple of Justice League-related books recently written by James Robinson. Kyletheobald 22:32, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Intergang to Intergang (New Earth)
I think we should move it to New Earth so we can use the main one as a disambig. There are 3 other versions at this point, Smallville, Young Justice and DCU online. Kyletheobald 04:43, December 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * And DCAU. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 08:34, December 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it should be moved. --JimmyOlsen (talk) 00:36, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Starfire (Earth-One) to Starfire (New Earth)
Its been shown that she is a part of New Earth during the Time Masters mini. I would also prefer using Starfire instead of Starfire I because Starfire appears to be her actual name. The other 2 people to use it have other real names to differentiate anyway. Kyletheobald 19:56, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Ranger (New Earth) to Ranger (New Earth)
I see he's in the move category; why though? He has a total of 4 appearances listed and in 3 of them, he's called the Dark Ranger. Is the Ranger name more legitimate because it was first? Kyletheobald 18:33, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Selena (New Earth) to Selena (Earth-S)
The character is only associated with the Fawcett/Earth-S incarnation of Mary Marvel.

Deanna (New Earth) to Deanna Clay (New Earth)
Yeah ... what can I say? It's her real name. That's all --JimmyOlsen (talk) 12:38, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Gilda Gold (Earth-Two) to Gilda Kent (Earth-Two)
The maiden name was not revealed until Batman #329. -- Tupka 217 09:35, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Francis Stone (Dakotaverse) to Martin Scaponi (Dakotaverse)
Back when this was created, I moved it to Francis Stone, which is his name in the DCAU; I misread the wikipedia article and thought it was the name for the original too. He's only referred to as Biz Money B in the comics, but the trading card set (can upload the card if required) identifies him as Martin Scaponi. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 16:46, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

@Tupka217

You may want to consult with Milestone's co-founders Michael Davis, Denys Cowan Christopher Priest, and Derek Dingle to confirm which name for Hotstreak is correct. Another option would be former Milestone writers and artists like John Rozum or Mark Bright.

If those options don't work, then I think you should follow the card as the primary source for Hotstreak's real name.

Zeraze1 21:42, January 7, 2012 (UTC) zeraze1


 * I can't find anything in the Static issues I have (all but 5 or 6) except the nickname Biz Money B. I think it's safe to move to Scaponi. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 22:09, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Mark Merlin (Earth-One) to Mark Merlin (New Earth)
He's appeared both dead and alive Post-Crisis: dead in Animal Man and Reign in Hell, alive in Superman #690 (which included an "I thought you were dead") and Xombi (haven't read it). That's why I don't think a separate New Earth article would work. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 (talk 10:27, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Grösshorn Eule (New Earth)
Why should his name be translated into English when no other characters are? We still have Ubermensch and Fledermaus in German. Kyletheobald 21:51, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Wonder Boy (New Earth) to Wonder Boy (Quality Universe)
The character Wonder Boy (New Earth) was never officially implemented into the DC New Earth. Seeing as he is a Quality Comics character and Earth-X is the QC character's home, I believe the page should be moved. Watermint 00:37, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Giggles (Super Friends) to Giggles (New Adventures of Batman)
The character was unique to the Filmation show, not the one by Hana-Barbera and the is nothing to show or suggest that the two shows shared a continuity.

- Byfield 18:30, February 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * That era of animation is an all-out mess. Doesn't help that the Super Friends wiki covers both HB and Filmation. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 (talk 06:47, February 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * most of the Filmation stuff has been released on a DVD called "Superheroes: The Filmation Adventures". I think (Filmation Adventures) could be a handy catch-all for all the Filmation series. --<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 (talk 16:41, February 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * That would work and it would minimize the dab and "universe" information instead of relying on the individual show titles.
 * - Byfield 23:15, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * The affected articles would be:
 * Barbara Gordon (New Adventures of Batman) to Barbara Gordon (Filmation Adventures)
 * Bruce Wayne (New Adventures of Batman) to Bruce Wayne (Filmation Adventures)
 * Giggles (Super Friends) to Giggles (Filmation Adventures)
 * Joker (New Adventures of Batman) to Joker (Filmation Adventures)
 * Richard Grayson (New Adventures of Batman) to Richard Grayson (Filmation Adventures)
 * Lex Luthor (New Adventures Of Superman) to Lex Luthor (Filmation Adventures)
 * Kal-El (New Adventures Of Superman) to Kal-El (Filmation Adventures)
 * along with the relavent categories.
 * - Byfield 23:48, February 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done and see here for the rest. -- Tupka 217 14:41, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Harm (Dakotaverse) to Edward Pugliese (Dakotaverse)
Real name known. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 12:49, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Zeraze1 (talk) 20:12, July 15, 2012 (UTC)@Tupka217

I agree with the move of Harm's page.

I got the update about moving Harm's page to a new one under his name. This is a good idea to remain consistent with naming conventions.

Zeraze1 (talk) zeraze1

Fury of Firestorm: The Nuclear Men Vol 1 1 to Fury of Firestorm Vol 2 1
We had this discussion before, I still think it should be Vol 2. Firestorm Vol 2 is actually Fury of Firestorm: The Nuclear Men Vol 1. -- <font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217 22:38, July 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree. Before Firestorm Vol 2 it was renamed to plain "Firestorm" it WAS The Fury of Firestorm: The Nuclear Men Vol 1. It's like counting Aquaman Vol 7 as Vol 6 just because the real Vol 6 got renamed to "Aquaman: Sword of Atlantis". Smash Brawler 23:31, September 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I also agree. I was very confused at this one being called volume 1. That is incorrect. Goblyn4evil 22:30, December 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't it be even more accurate to have it at Fury of Firestorm: The Nuclear Men Vol 1? Kyletheobald 03:02, December 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Since it's marketed on DC's website that way, I''d say yes.--08:34, December 17, 2011 (UTC)<font color="Green">Tupka <font color="DarkOrange">217


 * I would agree as well. Popluvah22 04:31, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * How about this. Firestorm Vol 2 to Fury of Firestorm: The Nuclear Men Vol 1, and Fury of Firestorm: The Nuclear Men Vol 1] to Fury of Firestorm Vol 2? I don't want to have to distinguish between "the nuclear man" and "the nuclear men" when it's really the same book anyway. - Hatebunny (talk) 19:35, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

I know this is a very old topic by now but I just want to add my two cents and agree with this proposed move. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 06:22, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Wonder Woman's Invisible Jet to Wonder Woman's Invisible Plane
Because the Golden Age version was not a jet. -- Tupka 217 16:38, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

Victor Frankenstein (Earth-Two) to Baron Frankenstein (Earth-Two)
Nowhere in his one appearance is this character's first name given. I'm not sure where "Victor" came from. Shadzane (talk) 18:43, December 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * As it's based on the fictional character who appears in Shelley's (public domain) book, it stands to reason that his name would be Victor and not something else, whether mentioned or not. - Hatebunny (talk) 16:41, January 21, 2014 (UTC)


 * But the whole theme of the story was that Shelley's book was very different from what "really" happened. In the book, the monster is made up of revived corpses. In the "real history", the monster was just a very tall guy who went crazy when he got an incomplete shot of adrenalin. Etc. So we would actually expect Shelly's book to change Frankenstein's first name. Shadzane (talk) 18:29, January 21, 2014 (UTC)


 * ... would we, though? - Hatebunny (talk) 19:16, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Mister Toxic (Prime Earth) to Hugh Marder Clone (Prime Earth)
Boy, this page has been renamed a couple of times, hasn't it? Anyway, technically, this is what he is. He's a faulty clone of Hugh Marder, not his own separate person. Just like Bruce Wayne Clone (New Earth), I think this name change is necessary. --- <font color="Purple">Haroldrocks  talk  22:14, December 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know how anyone else (besides Harold) feels about it, but I'd rather leave this at Mister Toxic than call it "Hugh Marder (Clone)", if only because I hate (qualifier)s - Hatebunny (talk) 16:41, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Kindly Ones to Three Witches
Kindly Ones is a translation of Eumenides, one of the names of the Erinyes (and used for them in-universe). Three Witches covers their function better, as that's their primary role in the DCU/Gaimanverse. Their Who's Who is even called that. -- Tupka 217 18:18, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

Teen Titans Go Vol 1 + the series to Teen Titans Go! Vol 1
I've seen this for a long time but never had the audacity to bring up a move. However, I've just noticed that a new Teen Titans Go! comic series is arriving next week, based on the newer show of course. It would be odd to have a Teen Titans Go! Vol 2 if Vol 1 technically does not exist. I know it's a lot of work to move, but it seems necessary. --- <font color="Purple">Haroldrocks  talk  02:19, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

Patrick O'Brien (Earth-Teen Titans) to Patrick O'Brian (Earth-Teen Titans)
I goofed up. I took the last name "O'Brien" straight from the page without even bothering to check. The appearance and image pages need it, too. --- <font color="Purple">Haroldrocks  talk  01:38, December 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * I can't recall how many times I made that mistake. -- Tupka 217 11:03, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

New Gods (New Earth) to New Gods
How about we move it back? New Gods is an alien race, not a group. And I don't like having a disambig for just the race and then a half-dozen of comics with that name. -- Tupka 217 10:57, December 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Something will have to be done with New Gods first. The bot can't move one page to another that already exists. - Hatebunny (talk) 16:41, January 21, 2014 (UTC)


 * Bumpity. -- Tupka 217 18:45, June 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * Bumpity bump. -- Tupka 217 23:39, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

Condition Red (Wildstorm Universe) to Caleb (Wildstorm Universe)
Max Cash was CR too. -- Tupka 217 15:26, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

Athyns of Karrakan to Athyns of Karrakan (New Earth)
Consus, the Erudite God created the page without the dab. This was after creating the related Sparta of Synriannaq (New Earth) correctly. To be frank though, I'd think dropping the "... of Planet" from both would also be correct. - Byfield (talk) 22:39, December 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * The thing was, Athyns was already linked everywhere as Athyns, and Sparta as Sparta of Synriannaq. I'm okay, especially since we, AFAIK, do not have a homeworld of Xanthi and consistency and all. -- Tupka 217 11:35, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Theia (New Earth) to Thia (New Earth)
Only (or at least, predominantly) referred to as Thia in the DCU. -- Tupka 217 14:28, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Perisphere to Trylon and Perisphere
They're next to eachother. They're one. EVEN WIKIPEDIA doesn't have separate articles. -- Tupka 217 20:31, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Sumo the Samurai (New Earth) to Sumo (New Earth)
To stay consistent with our naming. As far as I know, he doesn't really go by "Sumo the Samurai" anyway. --- <font color="Purple">Haroldrocks  talk  23:37, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Rodeo Rick (New Earth) to Rodeo Rick (Earth-One)
As a far as I can discern, this guy had no post-crisis appearances or mentions, and is strictly an Earth-One character Shadzane (talk) 23:19, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

Floyd Lawton (Prime Earth) to Floyd Lawton, Jr. (Prime Earth)
As revealed in Justice League of America Vol 3 7.1: Deadshot, Prime Earth Deadshot is named after his father. Changing his page name to "Jr." would be both correct and also make room for a potential "Floyd Lawton, Sr. (Prime Earth)" page. --- <font color="Purple">Haroldrocks  talk  01:36, January 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * It would also annoy the hell out of me every time I have to link to Deadshot :( - Hatebunny (talk) 16:41, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Edgar Stenville (Earth-Two) to Stenville (Earth-Two)
First name was never mentioned. Answerguy made it. -- Tupka 217 11:13, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

Sickle (New Earth) to Natasha Ulyanov (New Earth)
Same. Kyletheobald (talk) 05:19, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Scare Tactics to Scare Tactics (New Earth)
Disambig. There's at least the team, comic, and the Batman storyline. Kyletheobald (talk) 16:34, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

Tuftan Caesar (The Brave and the Bold) to Tuftan (The Brave and the Bold)
Caesar's not a surname. -- Tupka 217 11:46, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Olympia (Crisis on Two Earths) to Olympiad (Crisis on Two Earths)
Per this. Back when it was created, both versions of the name were floating around on the web, but this one seems to put it in the -d camp. -- Tupka 217 19:13, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Roy McQueen (Earth 2) to Connor Hawke (Earth 2)
If your like me and read the Earth 2 series would know that in Earth 2 Vol 1 14 they introduced the character Roy McQueen as Red Arrow, a World Amy with red hair and a robotic right arm, The character originally appeared to based on Roy Harper (New Earth), but in Earth 2 Vol 1 20 Red Arrow was speaking to Sonia Sato (Earth 2) who refereed to him as Connor Hawke. So I ask you my fellow wiki members to help me in correcting the information on the page and changing the name. (Shiplord13 (talk) 22:32, February 5, 2014 (UTC)).
 * So what´s the alias - Roy or Connor? If it´s Connor as listed in the character´s page, a move would make no sense since the real name determines the naming of the page. ---Lucien61 (talk) 23:41, February 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * I never remember seeing Roy McQueen in print to begin with. If I remember right, someone said it came from interviews. I'm fine having it moved to Connor. Kyletheobald (talk) 01:25, February 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't think it has appeared in print either. It was James Robinson who created Red Arrow and said in interviews that his real name is Roy McQueen. However, now Tom Taylor has taken over writing duties and Sonia Sato calls him Connor Hawke, so either it's a mistake, Taylor didn't know or Taylor didn't want to go with Robinson's story for Red Arrow so instead made him the New 52 Connor Hawke. Not sure how you make a decision in this situation, unless you just wait and see what he gets called in later issues then currently call the article Red Arrow (Earth 2). - Doomlurker (talk) 14:42, February 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * If that's the case, move to Connor and mention the McQueen thing in a note, preferably with a source. -- Tupka 217 14:45, February 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * It was WonderCon last year, there are various sources stating Robinson's choice of name (Roy McQueen) such as: this. However, change of writer, change of decision, just like how he made Red Tornado into Lois. So it should be moved. - Doomlurker (talk) 16:53, February 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay so with all of the support and evidence, is it safe for me to say that everyone is fine with the page being changed? - Shiplord13 (talk) 18:28, February 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yep. She will be moved next time we run a bot through. Kyletheobald (talk) 00:44, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Loreli (New Earth) to Lorelei I (New Earth)
Lorelei is her correct name (as seen in the image). Internal chronology makes her the second Lorelei, but externally, she's the first. -- Tupka 217 11:09, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Xanna (Earth-Empire) to Xanna (Empire)
And all other Category:Empire Characters: Getting rid of old naming standard. -- Tupka 217 11:09, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Martha Kent (Earth-One) to Martha Clark (Earth-One)
Martha's maiden name was firmly established in Earth-One continuity. In fact, her parents' names were given in Superman Family #192 as Henry and Willa Clark. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 05:22, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

Little Raven (New Earth) to Charles Great Eagle (New Earth)
Via Raven's talk page. Kyletheobald (talk) 01:04, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Tiny Titans/Little Archie and his Pals Vol 1 to Tiny Titans/Little Archie and His Pals Vol 1
Incorrect capitalization Shadzane (talk) 23:41, February 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Not really - both are acceptable. And since comics can't be botmoved, but have to manually moved, with all their subpages and categories, plus relinking, I'm saying no. -- Tupka 217 12:23, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Cartel to Cartel (Earth-One)
There's a new Cartel introduced in Lois Lane #1. Also, Penitente Cartel and Escabedo Cartel. -- Tupka 217 18:42, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Is that group in Lois Lane officially called "Cartel"? From reading the comic, I got the impression that others in the criminal underworld called it "the cartel" because they thought it was a drug-smuggling-and-selling organization (and Lois picked that up), but it's much more then that and didn't call itself Cartel. Shadzane (talk) 17:15, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Prixiam Nol-Anj (Prime Earth) to Nol-Anj (Prime Earth)
I think Prixiam is a title like Queen or Princess. Kyletheobald (talk) 15:41, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Knor-El (Super-Brother Against Super-Brother!) to Knor-El (Earth-200)
It was originally at E-200, but it was moved because we didn't have a source. We have now, Abs COIE. -- Tupka 217 20:58, March 11, 2014 (UTC)

Paper-Man (Earth-One) to Horace Throstle (Earth-One)
Remember when the page was called Throstle, and I argued vehemently that only one site (notorious for its weird names) used that surname? Well, guess what's in the EWWE. -- Tupka 217 09:29, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

Paula von Gunther (Earth-One) to Paula von Gunta (Earth-One)
Earth-One's Paula is named Von Gunta, not Von Gunther. -- Tupka 217 21:15, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

Earth-3898 to Earth-3839
Incorrect number. Would need all the instances and (shudder) characters moved. -- Tupka 217 11:22, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

Justice Society (Collected) to Justice Society Vol. 1 (Collected)
There's a second volume. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 01:37, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Scooter (Earth-One) to Scooter (Earth-Twelve)
Per Absolute Crisis on Infinite Earths (2006), this character is a denizen of Earth-Twelve.Shadzane (talk) 17:53, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Fauntleroy Fox (Earth-One) to Fauntleroy Fox (Earth-C)
Unless there's some compelling evidence to the contrary, I think Fox and Crow belong on Earth-C. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 21:22, March 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * They are licensed characters. They should be removed, and a "Columbia Screen Gems Cartoons" reality page should be made to link them to. Shadzane (talk) 06:58, March 24, 2014 (UTC)

Hoppy the Marvel Bunny (Earth-S) to Hoppy (Earth-C-Plus)
Hoppy is from Earth-C-Plus, according to Absolute COIE. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 21:29, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

Justice Batallion to Justice Battalion (Earth-22)
Battalion was misspelled on the name of the article. It would make sense to move it to the proper page... but shouldn't we also add (Earth-22) to the name of the title? I realize the organization only exists in Kingdom Come, but for the sake of continuity would it make sense? TheD3xus (talk) 14:18, March 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * There should be a disambig because the JSA was known as the Justice Battalion for awhile during World War II. That's where they got the name for the Kingdom Come group. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 22:33, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Fero (Earth-One) to Fero (New Earth)
He's shown up in both Outsiders Vol 4 and Tales of the Unexpected. Kyletheobald (talk) 01:09, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

Val (Earth 2) to Val-Zod (Earth 2)
The kryptonian character had first appeared Earth 2 Vol 1 19 as just Val, but in the most recent issue Earth 2 Vol 1 22 it was revealed that his full name is Val-Zod. I feel this is a minor change that can be easily corrected. (Shiplord13 (talk) 21:02, April 2, 2014 (UTC))

Harold Jordan (Earth-3898) to Hal Jordan (Earth-3839)
In addition to the corrected Earth number, most versions of this character are called "Hal" in the pagenames. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 10:31, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Etta Sweetgulper (Earth-3898) to Etta Candy (Earth-3839)
Etta Candy had a boyfriend with the surname of Sweetgulper in the Golden Age and Etta Sweetgulper is clearly supposed to be the Earth-3839 version of Etta Candy who has married Sweetgulper. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 11:31, April 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * This guy. -- Tupka 217 15:56, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Telman Davies (Earth-One) to Telman Davies (New Earth)
He shows up in Superman/Batman. Kyletheobald (talk) 14:53, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Samuel Epo (Earth-One) to Epo (Earth-One)
No real name revealed. -- Tupka 217 16:03, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

Carrie Kelley (Ame-Comi) to Carrie Kelly (Ame-Comi)
The name is spelled without the extra e in A-CG #2 (chapter 6). -- Tupka 217 14:46, April 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah that needs to be changed.  Neptune -   When will you learn? Bring all the advantages in the world and I'll still beat you.  14:48, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Miiyahbin (Prime Earth) to Miiyahbin Marten (Prime Earth)
Full name according to Jeff Lemire's text piece on the page with the kids' art in the back of ''Justice League United #0. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 15:53, April 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Checked and done. -- Tupka 217 15:58, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Green Man II (New Earth) to Green Man (New Earth)
Merging Green Man I and II into just Green Man. Kyletheobald (talk) 03:55, April 24, 2014 (UTC)

Legends of the Superheroes (TV Special) to Legends of the Superheroes (TV Specials)
There were two specials. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 19:50, April 24, 2014 (UTC)

Robert Long (Infant) (New Earth) to Robert Hinckley Long (New Earth)
I hate the (Infant). How about the full name, which we also use for Robert Queen (New Earth)/Robert Henry Queen (New Earth)? -- Tupka [[Message wall:Tupka217| <span

Books of Magic Annual Vol 1 to Books of Magic Annual Vol 2
All three annuals are from the second volume. T-REX Rules! 19:31, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Martha Roberts (Earth-Two) to Martha Roberts (New Earth)
She made several New Earth appearances. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 23:55, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Joshua Kyle (New Earth) to Joshua Kyle (Team Titans)
He's a time traveler, native of the TT alternate future, and an agent of Lord Chaos. -- Tupka 217 21:44, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Vulture Man (Earth-One) to Vulture-Man (Earth-One)
His name is spelled 'Vulture-Man' consistently thruout his only story. 'Vulture Man' seems to be a typo. Shadzane (talk) 15:31, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

H.I.V.E. to H.I.V.E. (New Earth)
New and Prime Earth are different (it's Holistic Interactive for Viral Equality now). Also, E-TT, DCUO and Arrow mean there's plenty for a disambig. -- Tupka 217 09:14, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

The New 52: Futures End FCBD Special Edition to The New 52: Futures End Vol 1 0
We need to rename the page because this is a series; not every issue will be a special edition.

This is the 0 issue; Issue 1 just released today. I can't make the page for today because of how 0 issue was titled.

Thoughts? TheD3xus (talk) 12:04, May 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Discussion is already going on the issue's talk page. -- Tupka 217 12:19, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Bartholomew Allen (Flash TV Series) to Bartholomew Allen (Flash 1990 TV Series)
Because of the upcoming 2014 series. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 17:06, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Bryan Mallory (Dead Earth) to Bryan Mallory (Legends of the Dead Earth)
This and other (Dead Earth) pages to be moved to be consistent with (Legends of the Dead Earth) pages. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 03:01, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Doris Zuel (Injustice: Gods Among Us) to Doris Zuel (Injustice: The Regime)
She doesn't exist in the GAU universe; her character exists in the Regime universe because she appears during Luthor's story mode. She makes no story mode appearance outside of the Regime universe. TheD3xus (talk) 20:33, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Actors:Clayton Collyer to Actors:Bud Collyer
For the most part with actors we use the name that they were/are generally credited under. In this case, the actor was routinely credited as "Bud Collyer" and in ancillary material - reviews, bios, articles, ect. - referred to in the same way. This includes the two external links used on the page. - Byfield (talk) 17:26, May 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yep. -- Tupka 217 17:28, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Terrence Curtis (New Earth) to Terrence Kurtzberger (New Earth)
As mentioned on the page, Kurtzberger is his birth name. Curtis is Anglicized. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 00:38, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Floyd Belkin (Pre-Zero Hour) to Arm-Fall-Off-Boy (Pre-Zero Hour)
As far as I can tell the Floyd Belkin name comes from his Post-Zero Hour counterpart, Splitter, and was retroactively applied to Arm-Fall-Off-Boy. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 09:30, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Sheriff Mardin (New Earth) to Mardin (New Earth)
The way I understand it, she is a sheriff not called Sheriff. I think the article should just be moved to Mardin for the same reason a Harvey Bullock article isn't called Lieutenant Bullock. - Doomlurker (talk) 21:02, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Masters of Disaster to Masters of Disaster (New Earth)
There are at least New Earth, Prime Earth, and Thunder & Lightning Shorts versions now. Time for a disambig. Kyletheobald (talk) 15:22, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Xan-Du (Earth-One) to Xan-Du (Earth-132)
Absolute Crisis on Infinite Earths revealed that computer simulation that Xan-Du comes from was not fiction. Superman's computer had actually tapped into Earth-132. Shadzane (talk) 19:41, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Zal-El (Earth-One) to Zal-El (Earth-132)
Absolute Crisis on Infinite Earths revealed that computer simulation that Zal-El comes from was not fiction. Superman's computer had actually tapped into Earth-132. Shadzane (talk) 19:45, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Council to Council I
There have been at least three DCU groups called the Council. This one cloned the Paul Kirk Manhunter, Council II was in the Nemesis backup in Brave and the Bold Vol 1 and Council III was in Supergirl Vol 2 and got their own Who's Who entry. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 16:24, June 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * Nemesis as in Tom Tresser? Or Nemesis as in Soseh Mykros? -- Tupka 217 16:33, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Tom Tresser fought Council II and Soseh Mykros fought Council I. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 18:08, June 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah. -- Tupka 217 18:15, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

=== Clark Kent (Superman Serial), Lois Lane (Superman Serial) & Louis (1941 Animated Serial) to Clark Kent (1941 Superman Cartoons), Lois Lane (1941 Superman Cartoons) & Louis (1941 Superman Cartoons) === There've been more than one "Superman Serial". Apart from the Fleischer serial, we also have the Kirk Alyn serial. We need to make sure, that these are kept seperate. Coq87rouge (talk) 18:16, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why do we call the Fleischer/Famous cartoons a "serial" at all? They aren't continued from one episode to another. They're just a series of stand-alone theatrical cartoons... Shadzane (talk) 19:17, June 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * I would prefer differentiating them with (1941 Superman Cartoons) and (1948 Superman Serial). The former is not really a serial. -- Tupka 217 19:22, June 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that might be a better alternative. Guess I should add Lex Luthor (Superman Serials), to the pages in need of a move (as that was a sequel to the '48 Serial).Coq87rouge (talk) 19:29, June 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Changed the header to reflect current consensus. Shadzane (talk) 20:44, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Doctor Togg (Earth-Two) to Rocco Togg (Earth-Two)
Has one appearance in.


 * Shouldn't it go to New Earth then as well? Kyletheobald (talk) 18:37, June 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * I meant to add that. Forgot. -- Tupka 217 18:41, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

Roy Harper (Clone) (Earth-16) to Roy Harper Clone (Earth-16)
To get rid of the double brackets. Plain and simple. --- <font color="Purple">Haroldrocks  talk  17:46, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

Superman (1941 Animated Serial) to Superman (1941 Cartoons)
See the Clark, Lois & Louis section above for the full argument, but basically these cartoons aren't a serial -- each stands alone Shadzane (talk) 21:09, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Alison Mara (Earth-X) to Alison Mara (Quality Universe)
Starting the process of tagging the Earth-X characters for moves. Sticking with those that only appeared at Quality for now and avoiding the Kid Eternity characters. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 15:51, June 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Requires more discussion before we do anything like moving. We also need to clear up who were retroactively moved to Earth-Two. -- Tupka 217 19:55, June 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm just tagging the characters who didn't appear in Pre-Crisis DC stories. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 06:59, June 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hold off on it for now. We need to inventarise the problem first. -- Tupka 217 10:01, June 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * OK. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 16:41, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Nicholas Kelly (New Earth) to Nicholas Kovak (New Earth)
He was born Kovak and grew up in the mob, then changed it to Kelly and became a fed, and then went undercover as his old self, Nicky Kovak. -- Tupka 217 00:31, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

Superman Returns (video game) to Superman Returns (Video Game)
Flip the article and the redirect for consistency with dabbing - caps in the parentheses for the article.

- Byfield (talk) 01:44, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

Man-bat serum to Man-Bat Serum
The page, if I'm not somehow mistaken, isn't properly capitalized. --- <font color="Purple">Haroldrocks  talk  23:23, July 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * The bot has a tendency to throw a hissyfit if the intended page is a redirect to the old name. -- Tupka 217 23:30, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Kaye Daye (Earth-One) to Katherine Daye (Earth-One)
gives her full name - Lombard calls her "Aunt Katherine". -- Tupka 217 19:18, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Kal-El (Superman Serial) to Kal-El (Superman Serials)
His continuity is called Superman Serials, not "serial".Coq87rouge (talk) 13:49, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

Meredith Pemberton (New Earth) to Meredith Creamer (New Earth)
Creamer was her birth name prior to her adoption by the Pembertons. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 21:00, July 20, 2014 (UTC)

Cyrus Krupp (Smallville) to William Burnett (Smallville)
William Burnett is the character's real name. "Cyrus Krupp" is an assumed name, that he was given later, as his true name was unknown to child services.Coq87rouge (talk) 10:52, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Injustice: Gods Among Us to Injustice: Gods Among Us (Video Game)
Paraphrasing what I wrote on Tupka's profile.

Currently, Injustice: Gods Among Us serves as a Universe and a Video Game article. There needs to be some differentiation between the two, because of the nature of its tie-in comic.

Injustice: Gods Among Us (Video Game) and Injustice: Gods Among Us

There is currently too much information on just the video game page, and it contains a lot of info from the comic that would be better suited for a Universe article (characters, information, images) that does not directly concern the game. The universe page would still incorporate information from the game.

The developers of the video game are planning to produce a sequel to the game (confirmed at WonderCon 2014), and DC has confirmed there will be a Year Three to the comic. There needs to be a way to unify these two games (and the comics) under the Universe article.

Idea: Rename the main article to Injustice: Gods Among Us (Video Game) and create a separate article for the Universe page (Injustice: Gods Among Us).

TheD3xus (talk) 21:12, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Lester Abernathy (New Earth) to Lester Abernathy (Earth-85)
He's from the same continuity as Shazam: The New Beginning, so he's from Earth-85. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 02:10, July 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Requires additional discussion. -- Tupka 217 06:20, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Batman and Robin (video game) to Batman and Robin (Video Game)
Consistency of capitalization in dab application. - Byfield (talk) 16:44, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Dr. Harden (Smallville) to Doctor Harden (Smallville)
Purely for naming standards' sake. --- <font color="Purple">Haroldrocks  talk  16:21, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

C.O.M.P.U.T.O. (Prime Earth) to Vril Dox (Prime Earth)
As identified in his Villains Month issue,, his real name is Vril Dox, as has been identified several times hence. He moved his consciousness into the computer. That is all. He is not named different from his original identity after he changed to the computers. GZilla311 (talk) 05:31, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Vatman (Lois & Clark) to Kal-El Clone (Lois & Clark)
Looking back at the episode, "Vatman" is never an alias used by the character or used in the episode in any way. Nor is it in the credits. Thus he is an unnamed Superman clone and his article should be named "Kal-El Clone".Coq87rouge (talk) 09:19, August 3, 2014 (UTC)

Roy Harper Clone (Earth-16) to Roy Harper (Clone) (Earth-16)
Wait, why was this moved? Our naming conventions say to put the "Clone" in parentheses. JamesBCrazy (talk) 13:51, August 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * We've moved away from that, just haven't updated the naming conventions yet. -- Tupka 217 13:59, August 3, 2014 (UTC)

Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) to Green Lantern (Harold Jordan), Hal Jordan (Earth-3839) to Harold Jordan (Earth-3839), etc.
His legal first name is Harold, so we should be using that as the article names. Keep in mind that Harold Jordan (New Earth) is a separate character. JamesBCrazy (talk) 13:51, August 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * No. The main page, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), is named like that for search optimalization. People are going to look for Hal, not Harold. On the other characters, it's not a major issue. Just like not every Barry Allen has to be named Bartholomew, not every Hal Jordan has to be called Harold on the site. -- Tupka 217 13:59, August 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd go one further on the alt-Earth versions of characters - It isn't appropriate to assume the "legal" name is the same as the mainstream character, either at the time or later. If the character's name isn't revealed in the story, we should stick with the commonly used one as our conjecture, not the more obscure "birth/legal" name. That is if we are going to indulge in such speculation at all.
 * On a similar point, with characters like Hal and Barry it would be nice to have a Note pointing out when the "legal" name was added to canon since they are almost never used in story.
 * - Byfield (talk) 14:09, August 3, 2014 (UTC)

Marauder (New Earth) to Marauder II (New Earth)
There is an earlier version of the Marauder with a pilot before it becomes just the cyborg. Kyletheobald (talk) 21:34, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Prince Peril (Earth-Two) to Prince Peril (New Earth)
His appearance in shows that he still existed after the Crisis. Shadzane (talk) 21:29, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Warren Thurston (Earth-Two) to Warren Thurston (Earth-One)
His one appearance is in 1957 (usually Earth-One), and we have it indexed as Green Arrow (Earth-One/New Earth) story, not a Green Arrow (Earth-Two) story (It's ). Shadzane (talk) 23:40, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Super Friends to Justice League of America (Super Friends)
Because SF should be the universe page, or else a redirect. Watch out with botmoving it, though. -- Tupka 217 15:19, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

Source (New Earth) to The Source
It's a multiversal concept, not a character in New Earth. -- Tupka 217 14:57, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Adam Knight (Smallville) to Chad Nash (Smallville)
Chad Nash was the character's real name, whereas "Adam Knight" was a false identity set up by Lionel Luthor.Coq87rouge (talk) 10:34, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Actors:Rene Auberjonois to Actors:René Auberjonois
As previously discussed, to correctly spell the name since the usage of the Actors: pages is small enough that the diacritics are not a major issue.

- Byfield (talk) 22:27, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Actors:Ricardo Montalban to Actors:Ricardo Montalbán
As previously discussed, to correctly spell the name since the usage of the Actors: pages is small enough that the diacritics are not a major issue.

- Byfield (talk) 22:27, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Mr. Elixer (Quality Universe) to Mister Elixer (Quality Universe)
Standards. --- <font color="Purple">Haroldrocks  talk  01:17, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, it should probably go to "Elixer (Quality Universe)", Mr. Elixir is not his superhero name -- that's The Voice. Mr. Elixir is his civilian name (first name unknown). Shadzane (talk) 04:19, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * P.S We should also fix the spelling of 'elixir'. So "Elixir (Quality Universe)" then? Shadzane (talk) 04:28, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Carnie Callahan (New Earth) to Clarence Callahan (New Earth)
Carnie Callahan's real first name is revealed in. Shadzane (talk) 06:40, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Bartholomew Hawk (Quality Universe) to Blackhawk (Quality Universe)
The name "Bart Hawk" comes from the DC era and does not apply to the character published by Quality. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 20:23, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Bartholomew Hawk (Earth-X) to Blackhawk (Earth-Two)
This version, that only appeared a few times, was native to Earth-Two and went to Earth-X to fight Nazis. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 20:43, September 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * IIRC the stories solidly set on Earth-X never featured that character, just mentioned him and his squadron. And I can't remember for the life of be if he was called anything other than "Blackhawk" in the Earth-Two appearances. If I've got that right, wouldn't we be applying an Earth-One name - on that retcons have changed into an alias IIRC - to the Earth-Two character with no evidence? If "Bartholomew Hawk" is strictly Earth-One, shouldn't this be Blackhawk (Earth-Two)? - Byfield (talk) 21:04, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

I believe you are correct. Let's go with Blackhawk. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 21:16, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Patrick O'Brian (Earth-Two) to Eel O'Brian (Earth-Two)
Patrick as a first name for Plas comes from Mark Waid's JLA #50 and does not apply to earlier versions of the character. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 15:36, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Kraklow (Earth-One) to Kraklow (New Earth)
made it clear that Kraklow still existed on New Earth Shadzane (talk) 03:26, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

King Inferno (Earth-One) to King Inferno (New Earth)
made it clear that King Inferno still existed on New Earth Shadzane (talk) 17:08, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

Phineas Pike (Earth-One) to Phineas Pike (Earth-Two)
1949 is definitely still Earth-Two. I assume this is just an error. Shadzane (talk) 18:11, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

Sebastian Kane (Smallville) to Wilson Turner (Smallville)
Sebastian Kane is a mere alias. Wilson Turner was the character's real name.Coq87rouge (talk) 16:02, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Aquaman (TV Series) episodes
This includes the following moves:
 * Aquaman (TV Series) Episode: Menace of the Black Manta -> Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure (TV Series) Episode: Menace of the Black Manta
 * Aquaman (TV Series) Episode: The Rampaging Reptile Men -> Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure (TV Series) Episode: The Rampaging Reptile Men
 * Aquaman (TV Series) Episode: The Return of Nepto -> Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure (TV Series) Episode: The Return of Nepto
 * Aquaman (TV Series) Episode: The Fiery Invaders -> Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure (TV Series) Episode: The Fiery Invaders
 * Aquaman (TV Series) Episode: The Sea Raiders -> Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure (TV Series) Episode: The Sea Raiders
 * Aquaman (TV Series) Episode: War of the Water Worlds -> Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure (TV Series) Episode: War of the Water Worlds

I brought this up here trying to get a handle on how we are naming the Filamtion episodes.

The reason I'm proposing this is that the episodes originally aired as pat of The Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure and were re-packaged the following television season as Aquaman. It seems appropriate to name the episode pages based on the original airing.

- Byfield (talk) 15:25, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Justice Lords (DCAU) to Justice Lords (DCAU: A Better World)
See the talk page. --- <font color="Purple">Haroldrocks  talk  15:28, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Adventures of Batman (TV Series) episodes
This includes the following moves:
 * Adventures of Batman (TV Series) Episode: My Crime Is Your Crime -> Batman/Superman Hour (TV Series) Episode: My Crime Is Your Crime
 * Adventures of Batman (TV Series) Episode: A Bird Out of Hand -> Batman/Superman Hour (TV Series) Episode: A Bird Out of Hand
 * Adventures of Batman (TV Series) Episode: The Cool Cruel Mr. Freeze -> Batman/Superman Hour (TV Series) Episode: The Cool Cruel Mr. Freeze
 * Adventures of Batman (TV Series) Episode: The Joke's on Robin -> Batman/Superman Hour (TV Series) Episode: The Joke's on Robin
 * Adventures of Batman (TV Series) Episode: How Many Herring in a Wheelbarrow? -> Batman/Superman Hour (TV Series) Episode: How Many Herring in a Wheelbarrow?
 * Adventures of Batman (TV Series) Episode: In Again Out Again Penguin -> Batman/Superman Hour (TV Series) Episode: In Again Out Again Penguin
 * Adventures of Batman (TV Series) Episode: The Nine Lives of Batman -> Batman/Superman Hour (TV Series) Episode: The Nine Lives of Batman
 * Adventures of Batman (TV Series) Episode: Long John Joker -> Batman/Superman Hour (TV Series) Episode: Long John Joker
 * Adventures of Batman (TV Series) Episode: Bubi, Bubi, Who's Got the Ruby? -> Batman/Superman Hour (TV Series) Episode: Bubi, Bubi, Who's Got the Ruby?
 * Adventures of Batman (TV Series) Episode: 1001 Faces of the Riddler -> Batman/Superman Hour (TV Series) Episode: 1001 Faces of the Riddler

I brought this up here trying to get a handle on how we are naming the Filamtion episodes.

The reason I'm proposing this is that the episodes originally aired as pat of Batman/Superman Hour and were re-packaged the following television season as The Adventures of Batman. It seems appropriate to name the episode pages based on the original airing. This is the same reasoning as the case with the Aquaman episodes.

- Byfield (talk) 19:07, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Lois Lane (Clone) (Lois & Clark) to Lois Lane Clone (Lois & Clark)
Revised naming conversions to avoid double qualifiers. - Byfield (talk) 11:47, September 21, 2014 (UTC)

Hetepkheti Tefnakhte (Prime Earth) to Khalis (Prime Earth)
First issue lists his identity as unknown. -- Tupka 217 12:07, September 21, 2014 (UTC)

Atomic Knights to Earth-86
The original Knights (as well as Hercules Unbound) take place on Earth-86, per AbsCOIE. Herc's New Earth profile in Who's Who #10 also establishes Herc Unb and AK to be from a different, shared alt universe. -- Tupka 217 15:25, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Zod (Clone) (Smallville) to Zod Clone (Smallville)
As per naming conventions. - Byfield (talk) 11:26, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Been wondering if we shouldn't merge the clone's article with that of the real Zod, as the two were shown to have merged together in Dominion. Coq87rouge (talk) 11:34, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Marvin Kuttler (New Earth) and Wendy Kuttler (New Earth) to Marvin White (New Earth) and Wendy White (New Earth)
Father's last name =/= Child's last name --- <font color="Black">Haroldrocks  talk  18:37, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

Carter Hall (Lego Batman) to Hawkman (Lego Batman)
Write up lists his real identity as "Unknown". If we aren't sure which Hawkman this is, shouldn't we move the page away from an assumption? - Byfield (talk) 17:21, October 5, 2014 (UTC)

Death and Return of Superman and Death And Return Of Superman
This is a mess waiting to happen...

Death and Return of Superman should be at Death and Return of Superman (Story) and Death And Return Of Superman at Death and Return of Superman (Video Game), I think. The first is dealing with the story line from the Superman books from 1992-1993 and the second is a scrolling beat-em-up computer game based on the story line.

Death and Return of Superman should be a dab and Death And Return Of Superman a redirect to the dab.

- Byfield (talk) 21:44, October 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * I've moved the video game, but I'm not sure about the main story page. It's so much more important than a bad old video game. -- Tupka 217 21:57, October 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'd agree, if we had a template we could put in place at the top of the page to direct the rare search for the game away from the main page. ATM all we have is one designed for characters. - Byfield (talk) 22:23, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Charioteer (New Earth) to Charioteer (Earth-One)
All the other members of the Tarot Gang are considered Pre-Crisis only. I'm not sure why the Charioteer would be different. Shadzane (talk) 20:27, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

James Olsen (Smallville: Apocalypse) to Henry James Olsen (Smallville: Apocalypse)
The character is a counterpart to Henry James Olsen and not James Bartholomew Olsen. The key difference between the two universes is that Kal-El never arrived on Earth. This would not affect the date of birth of each Olsen brother.Coq87rouge (talk) 13:14, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

William Jameson (Earth-One) to William Jameson (New Earth)
This character's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane (talk) 20:27, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

Wildcat of Tomahawk's Rangers (Earth-One) to Wildcat of Tomahawk's Rangers (New Earth)
This character's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane (talk) 17:42, October 21, 2014 (UTC)


 * Speaking of, weren't Tomahawk and his friends revealed to be from Earth-Two because Bess Lynn was Libby Lawrence's great great something grandmother? -- Tupka 217 17:45, October 21, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes. I figured I would fix that after the name change Shadzane (talk) 21:19, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Panther (Earth-One) to Panther (New Earth)
This character's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane (talk) 17:42, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Big Anvil (Earth-One) to Big Anvil (New Earth)
This character's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane (talk) 21:18, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Frenchie (Earth-One) to Frenchie (New Earth)
This character's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane (talk) 21:18, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Daniel Hunter (Earth-One) to Daniel Hunter (Earth-Two)
Pre-Crisis Tomahawk stories were set on Earth-Two, not Earth-One. We know this because Earth-Two's Liberty Belle was a descendent of Tomahawk character Miss Liberty. Shadzane (talk) 21:28, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

White Dwarf (Earth-One) to White Dwarf (New Earth)
This character's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane (talk) 00:30, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Solaar (Earth-One) to Solaar (New Earth)
This character's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane (talk) 00:30, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Scanner (Earth-One) to Scanner (New Earth)
This character's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane (talk) 00:30, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Anti-Matterman (Earth-One) to Anti-Matterman (New Earth)
This character's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane (talk) 00:30, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Volcano Man (Earth-One) to Volcano Man (New Earth)
This character's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 00:13, October 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't all of these characters require separate Earth-One and New Earth pages, instead of being moved?  Neptune -   Everything's impossible until somebody does it.  00:18, October 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * That depends on how much they were changed by Crisis. If they were essentially unchanged, or if the changes are minor and can be explained in a paragraph, then they get a combined Earth-One/New Earth page (named New Earth, by convention). If they were rebooted by Crisis, that's when they get two pages.
 * And all the characters I've listed recently were mainly unchanged by Crisis. In fact, their New Earth appearances were basically cameos saying "Hey, this character still exists" (Except for Volcano Man, who was being groomed as a JLA villain). Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:21, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

Timothy Flagg (Earth-One) to Timothy Flagg (Earth-Two)
This character's only appearance was in in 1952, which is still Earth-Two, and that's how we have it indexed for every other character in the book. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 04:17, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Thomas Wexley (Earth-One) to Thomas Wexley (Earth-Two)
This character's only appearance was in in 1953, which is still Earth-Two, and that's how we have it indexed for the other characters in the story. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 14:47, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Cadre to Cadre (New Earth)
Disambig. Kyletheobald (talk) 04:26, November 1, 2014 (UTC)

Paco Testas (New Earth) to Paco
Testas wasn't established until New 52. Kyletheobald (talk) 02:59, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Cryll (Earth-One) to Cryll (New Earth)
This character's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:09, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Amparo Cardenas (New Earth)‎ to Amparo (New Earth)‎
Cardenas is New 52 only. -- Tupka 217 09:54, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Cannonball (Earth-One) to Cannonball (Earth-Two)
Pre-Crisis Tomahawk stories were set on Earth-Two, not Earth-One. We know this because Earth-Two's Liberty Belle was a descendent of Tomahawk character Miss Liberty. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:23, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Long Rifle (Earth-One) to Long Rifle (Earth-Two)
Pre-Crisis Tomahawk stories were set on Earth-Two, not Earth-One. We know this because Earth-Two's Liberty Belle was a descendent of Tomahawk character Miss Liberty. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:23, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Jud Fuller (Earth-One) to Jud Fuller (Earth-Two)
Pre-Crisis Tomahawk stories were set on Earth-Two, not Earth-One. We know this because Earth-Two's Liberty Belle was a descendent of Tomahawk character Miss Liberty. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:23, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Infinity, Inc. (Earth-Two) to Infinity, Inc. I (New Earth)
See Talk: Infinity, Inc. I (New Earth). DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 21:35, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Infinity, Inc. (Earth-Two) to Infinity, Inc. I (New Earth)
See Talk: Infinity, Inc. I (New Earth). DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 21:35, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Emily Sung (New Earth) to Emily Sung (Prime Earth)
For the same reasons as Pandora (Prime Earth). Her only New Earth appearances were in Flash: Flashpoint, with most of her appearances being in Prime Earth, which has established her further. With such a disparity, should we just switch that name? GZilla311 (talk) 20:27, April 23, 2014 (UTC)style="color:#FF8C00">217 ]] 19:16, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

I agree she should be moved, she never appeared in New Earth. (Blackest Day (talk) 00:06, December 1, 2014 (UTC))

All "Date with Debbi" Characters
Like I said on one of my edits, I'm not sure if we even cover this series. I see there's a DC brand on the top of the comic but I'm admittedly not the best with our policy on this type of old comics. However, in case we do need these character pages, they all need moves for obvious reasons:

--- <font color="Purple">Haroldrocks  talk  12:19, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Bertram "Binky" Biggs to Betram Biggs (Date With Debbi)
 * Mr Shickles to Mister Shickles (Date With Debbi)
 * Buddy Baxter to Buddy Baxter (Date With Debbi)
 * Mrs Anderson to Mrs. Anderson (Date With Debbi)
 * Rockwell Anderson to Rockwell Anderson (Date With Debbi)
 * Desdimona De Wolfe to Desdimona De Wolfe (Date With Debbi)
 * Debbi Anderson to Debbi Anderson (Date With Debbi)
 * Tod Frazier to Tod Frazier (Date With Debbi)
 * Mr Kibble to Mister Kibble (Date With Debbi)
 * Peggy Baxter to Peggy Baxter (Date With Debbi)
 * Coach Norris to Coach Norris (Date With Debbi)
 * Sherwood to Sherwood (Date With Debbi)
 * To my knowledge, there is no reason that Date with Debbie needs its own universe. It's just Earth-One. (That said, half these characters seem to be Leave it to Binky characters, not Date with Debbie characters. Leave it to Binky characters have Earth-Two and Earth-One versions, and the Earth-One Binky made it into New Earth...) Shadzane (talk) 13:40, September 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Only proving my lack of knowledge of these old comics. I'm out of my element with them. Thanks for pointing that out, Shadzane. :) What universe designation should we go with then? New Earth? Earth-Two? Earth-One? (And do any of these characters already have pages with Leave it to Binky?) --- <font color="Purple">Haroldrocks  talk  14:15, September 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it's one of those love titles that, like the comedy titles of Earth-Twelve, exists outside regular continuity. I think it needs separate tags, not three or more pages for regular continuity versions. Just (Binky) or (Leave it to Binky) is fine with me. -- Tupka 217 14:50, September 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Date with Debbi is not a love title. It is a teen humor title, like Archie. It had a fairly compact run (1969-1972), so it doesn't have the continuity-busting problem of the characters being teenagers for decades. And it doesn't have all the supernatural and science-fiction elements that got Swing with Scooter assigned to Earth-Twelve. I see no reason at all it cannot be Earth-One. (I'm only talking about Date with Debbi here; Leave it to Binky is more complicated.) Shadzane (talk) 15:01, September 3, 2014 (UTC)

Zeke (Prime Earth) to Zeus (Prime Earth)
He turns out to be Zeus in #35. -- Tupka 217 12:50, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Albrecht Raines (New Earth) to Albrecht Raines (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Neither can Tupka. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 21:13, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

L.E.G.I.O.N. to L.E.G.I.O.N. (New Earth)
A disambig move. There's a Prime Earth version (in the "wait, this exists? Threshold Vol 1), plus, plenty of comics. -- Tupka 217 15:54, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Rachel Roth (Prime Earth) to Raven (Prime Earth)
"Rachel Roth" was a fake ID used by the New Earth version, it shouldn't be used as a pagename for this version. Or as the pagename for the New Earth version, for that matter. -- Tupka 217 12:20, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Adventures Of Batman & Robin (Sega) to Adventures of Batman & Robin (Sega)
Proper capitalization.

- Byfield (talk) 12:49, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Adventures Of Batman & Robin (SNES) to Adventures of Batman & Robin (SNES)
Proper capitalization.

- Byfield (talk) 12:49, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Boris Zinoviev (Earth-One) to Boris (Earth-One)
He's based on Boris (Quality Universe), and never called anything but Boris. The name Zinoviev was invented for the Vol 2-3 era Boris. -- Tupka 217 22:58, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Pierre Blanc-Dumont (Earth-X) to Le Sabre (Quality Universe)
See talk page here. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 05:50, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * You don't want to include "Le" in the page name, do you? I thought including initial articles like that was frowned on. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 08:24, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * That's a good point. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 08:56, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's sort of part of the English use of the name, just like El Diablo. -- Tupka 217 09:08, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Super Friends (TV Series) Episdoe: The Bride of Darkseid (Part II) to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: The Bride of Darkseid (Part II)
Pagename typo. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 10:48, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Liu Huang (Earth-One) to Wu Cheng (Earth-One)
Per AbsCOIE, the story that gave Chop-Chop his real name, #203, is non-canon. Evanier's name for him, Wu Cheng, is. -- Tupka 217 12:24, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Superman: Shadow Of Apokolips to Superman: Shadow of Apokolips (Video Game)
Proper capitalization of the game title and adding proper parenthetical.

- Byfield (talk) 20:07, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Supreme One (New Earth) to Supreme One (Earth-One)
O.G.R.E. (and its various members) never made any New Earth appearances (or mentions). Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 18:20, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Huntress (O.G.R.E.) (New Earth) to Huntress (Earth-One)
O.G.R.E. (and its various members) never made any New Earth appearances (or mentions). Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 18:20, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't think we need "(O.G.R.E.)" in there; she is the only Huntress on Earth-One. Shadzane &#128128; (talk)  15:47, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Typhoon (O.G.R.E.) (New Earth) to Typhoon (O.G.R.E.) (Earth-One)
O.G.R.E. (and its various members) never made any New Earth appearances (or mentions). Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 18:20, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * The page was moved to Typhoon (Earth-One) instead, which is OK. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:28, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Revenge On Gorilla City to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Revenge on Gorilla City
Proper capitalization.

- Byfield (talk) 19:50, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: World Beneath The Ice to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: World Beneath the Ice
Proper capitalization.

- Byfield (talk) 19:50, November 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * This is the same for the following:
 * Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Swamp Of The Living Dead to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Swamp of the Living Dead
 * Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Rokan: Enemy From Space to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Rokan: Enemy from Space
 * Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Attack Of The Vampire to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Attack of the Vampire
 * Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: The Pied Piper From Space to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: The Pied Piper from Space
 * Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Sinbad And The Space Pirates to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Sinbad and the Space Pirates
 * Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Battle At The Earth's Core to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Battle at the Earth's Core
 * Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: The Giants Of Doom to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: The Giants of Doom
 * Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Invasion Of The Brain Creatures to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Invasion of the Brain Creatures
 * Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Terror From The Phantom Zone to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Terror from the Phantom Zone
 * Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Batman: Dead Or Alive to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Batman: Dead or Alive
 * Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Fairy Tale Of Doom to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Fairy Tale of Doom
 * Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Conquerors Of The Future to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Conquerors of the Future
 * Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Super Friends: Rest In Peace to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Super Friends: Rest in Peace
 * Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Rub Three Times For Disaster to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Rub Three Times for Disaster


 * - Byfield (talk) 20:08, November 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * And add Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: The Island Of The Dinasoids to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: The Island of the Dinasoids for the same reason. - Byfield (talk) 16:56, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

Stavros Markos (New Earth) to Stavros Markos (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:26, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

John Dolan (Earth-One) to John Dolan (New Earth)
John Dolan's existence on New Earth is established in when Kobra duplicates Dolan's origin to create Elemental Woman. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 18:48, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Jacob Baker (Earth-One) to Jacob Baker (New Earth)
Jacob Baker's existence on New Earth is established in when Kobra duplicates Baker's origin to create Zebra-Man II. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 18:48, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Spawn of Frankenstein (Earth-One) to Spawn of Frankenstein (New Earth)
The History and Notes sections on this page (which I did not write) make a good case that Spawn of Frankenstein did survive Crisis and make it to New Earth (and then was apparently erased by Zero Hour to make room for Frankenstein (New Earth)). Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 05:10, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Sophia Santos (New Earth) to Sophia Santos (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis, and neither can Lucien61. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:49, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Slasher (New Earth) to Slasher (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis, and neither can Kyletheobald. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 22:14, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

Sizematic (New Earth) to Sizematic (Earth-One)
I cannot find where these characters appeared (or were mentioned) post-Crisis, and neither can Tupka. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 23:01, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

Jerry White (New Earth) to Perry White, Jr. (New Earth)
According to Lex Luthor's computer screen in. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 10:57, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

Von Tepp (Earth-X) to Captain von Tepp (Quality Universe)
There's a second Von Tepp, his brother, in. We could name that one Baron von Tepp or Lieutenant von Tepp.-- Tupka 217 12:01, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

Werner Vertigo (Arrow) to The Count (Arrow)
The Count's name is never confirmed. I was fine with it being Werner Vertigo before, but now that we have a new Count Vertigo named Werner Zytle (Arrow), I can't begin to think about the probability that the first Count and his unrelated successor would have the same first name. It'd be better just to move the first. I don't care what it's moved to. I went with The Count (Arrow), thinking that we could handle the "The" like we do with The Flash (2014 TV Series). I'm also fine with Count (Arrow), Count Vertigo (Arrow), and Count Vertigo I (Arrow), although he's only referred to "Count Vertigo" posthumously in passing by Barry. --- <font color="Black">Haroldrocks  talk  21:37, November 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree. He is only ever called "The Count" or, in his last episode, "Count Vertigo" (as he calls himself on his TV broadcast he makes). Although he does seem like he could be Werner Vertigo, the name is never stated, and it's said that not even the SCPD knows his actual identity, just knowing him by that alias of "The Count".GZilla311 (talk) 21:41, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Dark Knight (Movie) to The Dark Knight (Movie)
Full title of the film. Updating based on change in functionality of the Movie template.

Also Dark Knight Rises (Movie) to The Dark Knight Rises (Movie) for the same reason.

- Byfield (talk) 23:19, November 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * Again, I agree with this change. I never really thought it should have excluded the "The" to begin with, considering it seemed to make it harder to find the movie for people who look up the other name.GZilla311 (talk) 23:44, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Why is an exception being made just for these films? If we're going to include "The" in titles that have them, then they all should have them. It makes it inconsistent just having "The" for these films. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible (talk) 14:22, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Scorcher I (New Earth) to Scorcher II (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis, and neither can Kyletheobald. Also, if we change him to Earth-One, we'll need to renumber because of Scorcher (Earth-One). Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:51, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

Scorcher III (New Earth) to Scorcher II (New Earth) and Scorcher IV (New Earth) to Scorcher III (New Earth)
if the above move with Scorcher I (New Earth) goes thru, then we will need to make these moves too. If the above move does not go thru, then never mind. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:22, November 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hmm. If only their respective writers had revealed the real names of all these Scorchers. :-( DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 11:57, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Della Dale (Quality Universe) to Black Widow I (Quality Universe)
She only posed as reporter Della Dale, it wasn't her real name. -- Tupka 217 13:01, November 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * FYI, the paged was moved to Black Widow (Quality Universe) instead, in case anyone is looking for it/ Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:26, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Franklin Chandler (New Earth) to Frank Chandler (New Earth)
His full name is Frank William Chandler. That's what's on his driver's license in Hellblazer #58, and what his profile in the Vertigo Secret Files calls him. Never Franklin. -- Tupka 217 19:49, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Kit Ryan (New Earth) to Kathryn Ryan (New Earth)
Full name revealed in #70. -- Tupka 217 15:36, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Richard Wilson (New Earth) to Richard Wilson (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis, and neither can Lucien61 or Tupka. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 18:59, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Samuel Wilson (New Earth) to Samuel Wilson (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 18:59, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Dr. Blizzard (DCAU) to Doctor Blizzard (DCAU)
Naming standard. --- <font color="Black">Haroldrocks  talk  22:30, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Joseph Chilton (Earth-Two) to Joe Chill (Earth-Two)
On Earth-Two, there was never any indication that Joe Chill was an alias. "Joseph Chilton" was an Earth-One addition. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 21:59, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

FerAlyce (New Earth) to Jackee Jones (New Earth)
Real name given in Hawkworld Vol 2 30. Kyletheobald (talk) 22:37, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

Arthur Curry (Earth-Two) to Aquaman (Earth-Two)
It seems the Arthur Curry name comes from the 1959 Earth-One origin. Much like the Golden Age Blackhawk, this Aquaman never was given a real name. His father is also unnamed. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 12:20, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Does this mean his father's page should be deleted, since he has no name at all? (I don't know the rule on unnamed characters having pages.) Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 08:42, December 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it should be. He only made one appearance in flashback and practically everything that is known about him is in the quote on his son's page. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 16:15, December 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Earth-Two Aquaman’s real name IS “Aquaman,” per More Fun Comics #73, Aquaman story, page 4, panel 3, his father: “My son is a true dweller of the deep – his name shall be Aquaman.” Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 03:37, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Tim Drake (Injustice: Gods Among Us) to Timothy Drake (Injustice: Gods Among Us)
It's a pretty safe bet that his full name is Timothy. We usually assume that for Robins called "Tim" anyway. --- <font color="Black">Haroldrocks  talk  20:26, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Thinko (New Earth) to Thinko
Thinko has an item template. Also, "Thinko" just redirects back to "Thinko (New Earth)". I see two ways we can go with this: either move item Thinko to the redirect or treat Thinko like a character and give him a character template. --- <font color="Black">Haroldrocks  talk  19:48, December 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Humanoid robots generally get a character template. -- Tupka 217 20:17, December 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sure. Then we don't have to worry about moving it, then. I'll just switch the template. --- <font color="Black">Haroldrocks  talk  20:28, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

David Wist (Earth-One) to David Wist (Earth-Two)
This character's only appearance was in in 1952, which is still Earth-Two, and that's how we have it indexed for the other characters in the story. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 21:30, December 15, 2014 (UTC)

Eve Doremus (Earth-One) to Eve Doremus (New Earth)
She appeared in. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 14:33, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

Mary Kent (Earth-Two) to Mary Clark (Earth-Two)
According to, Clark was her maiden name. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 01:56, December 31, 2014 (UTC)

Bertram "Binky" Biggs to Bertram Biggs, Jr. (New Earth)
See the Talk page. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:21, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

Peggy Baxter (Date With Debbi) to Peggy Baxter (New Earth)
See the Bertram "Binky" Biggs Talk page. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:21, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

Sherwood (Date With Debbi) to Sherwood (Earth-One)
See the Bertram "Binky" Biggs Talk page. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:21, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

Needle (Earth-Two) to Needle (New Earth)
Shows up in flashback in Justice Society of America Vol 3 26. Kyletheobald (talk) 13:32, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Captain Venture ( Earth-S) to Captain Venture (Earth-S)
Extra space before Earth-S. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 23:58, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

Mazdan (Earth-One) to Mazdan (New Earth)
He's depicted in. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 06:23, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

Mister Esper (Earth-One) to Mister Esper (New Earth)
New Earth appearances include and. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 06:33, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

The Others to The Others (Prime Earth)
Since we have a futures end version of the team, a comic series, and a one-shot which uses the name we need to move the page to The Others (Prime Earth) and make The Others page into a disambiguation page. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 06:35, January 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Here's a possible alternate solution. We could put the disambig at Others. - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 07:14, January 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Regardless of where we put the disambiguation page we'd still have to give the page a prime earth designation as we have teams from 2 different realities with the same name. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 09:39, January 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Are they not exactly the same team only five years later? The whole point of not using an Earth-designation for teams is that the core of what the team is persists regardless of what reality it exists in and who its members are. It's just an annoying problem that most teams end up being requiring one for a disambig. But if the Future's End version is essentially the same team, it doesn't need a move. (unless someone wants to bare-knuckle box me over it). - Hatebunny (talk) 18:22, March 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well we have 2 versions of the team and 2 comic book series that the name "The Others" refers to so I think that a disambiguation page is called for. Also, there are some important differences with the Prime Earth and Futures End versions of the team. The Dead King is the leader of the Others in Futures End, but Aquaman is the leader on Prime Earth. Also, Mera is an enemy of the Others in Futures End while she's an ally of theirs on Prime Earth. Also, Futures End is meant to be a Possible Future as are all of the Alternate Futures they've portrayed in the past. Terry's whole mission in Futures End is to prevent it from happening. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 10:10, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Ace of Blades to Ace of Blades (Earth-S)
The page doesn't have a reality designation. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 10:46, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Man in the Yellow Suit (Arrow) to Harrison Wells (Arrow)
It was recently confirmed at both a Arrow/The Flash QA session that Harrison Wells was, indeed, the Reverse Flash. He also explicitily confirms it in an interview here. How should we approach merging the pages into a singular page? TheD3xus (talk) 00:44, January 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * I, for one, am against moving or merging the page. Yet. Despite the actor saying he's the Reverse Flash, I won't believe anything until I see it with my own eyes on the actual show. There are still waaaaay too many questions to jump to conclusions. I don't see what the rush is with calling this guy the Reverse Flash. --- <font color="Black">Haroldrocks   talk  00:50, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

Darrell Dane (New Earth) to Darrel Dane (New Earth)
It's Darrel in, and Darrell in. Since the earlier versions were Darrel, I propose this one (and any other) be named that too. -- Tupka 217 22:48, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

Renter (Earth-One) to Renter (Earth-Two)
This character's only appearance was in in 1952, which is still Earth-Two, and that's how we have it indexed for the other characters in the story. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 18:22, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

Oom (New Earth) to Oom (Earth-Two)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis (until recently, on Earth 5), and neither can Thanos6.Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 21:58, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Mercury (Earth 2) to Mercury (Sphere of the Gods)
It has been confirmed by DC through their official youtube channel that all of the pantheons worshipped by the ancient civilizations of Earth are from a realm known as Skyland which in one of 8 realms that exist in the reality known as of the Sphere of the Gods. This will also mean that we'll have to move all the pages for deities that have appeared in the New 52 also as they are also from the Sphere of the Gods. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 07:56, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Arthur Curry (Flashpoint) to Arthur Curry (Flashpoint Elseworld)
See this page. Also applies to
 * George Harkness (Flashpoint) to George Harkness (Flashpoint Elseworld)
 * Roscoe Dillon (Flashpoint) to Roscoe Dillon (Flashpoint Elseworld)
 * Samuel Scudder (Flashpoint) to Samuel Scudder (Flashpoint Elseworld)

DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 20:03, January 17, 2015 (UTC)

Scarab (Shazam!/Isis Hour) to Scarab (Earth-S)
This guy appeared only in the Isis comic book, which was set on Earth-S. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 05:55, January 18, 2015 (UTC)

Raphael Van Zandt (Earth-One) to Raphael Van Zandt (Earth-X)
Actually a native of Earth-X.

Weird, huh? DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 19:21, January 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Not that weird. I'll recheck before moving. -- Tupka 217 19:23, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Magog (Prime Earth) to David Reid (Prime Earth)
Magog's identity was confirmed in the early pages of Superman/Wonder Woman #15. We need to move his page to his proper identity. TheD3xus (talk) 19:44, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Flash (1990 TV Series) Episode: Watching the Detective to Flash (1990 TV Series) Episode: Watching the Detectives
Every source I can find, including the official DVD release, give the title as "Watching the Detectives", like the Elvis Costello song. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 13:24, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Henry Allen (Flash TV Series) to Henry Allen (Flash 1990 TV Series)
I forgot to type "1990" when I created the page just now. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 16:10, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Phineas Quayle (New Earth) to Phineas Quayle (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis, and neither can Lucien61. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 18:11, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Peter Lomax (New Earth) to Peter Lomax (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis, and neither can Billy Arrowsmith. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 05:34, January 27, 2015 (UTC)

Octopus Man (Earth-One) to Octopus Man (New Earth)
Octopus Man's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 18:51, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Superman (1941 Cartoons) Episode: The Mad Scientist to Superman (1941 Cartoons) Episode: Superman
"The Mad Scientist" is an unofficial title. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 10:25, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Funnyface (Earth-Two) to Funnyface (New Earth)
New Earth appearance:. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 13:07, February 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'd say the story in involves a rebooted (not carried-over) New Earth Funnyface, and so we need two pages. Shadzane &#128128; (talk)  06:02, February 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well... I haven't read the All-Star story in years, but I don't remember much retconning of the villain. He just fought the All-Stars instead of Superman. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 08:22, February 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Isn't that enough? The same plot, but his antagonists were completely different? Also, don't we generally consider <I>all</I> Superman characters as being rebooted post-Crisis? Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 14:32, February 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Usually, but there are exceptions. Ultra-Humanite for one. True, he didn't only fight Superman Pre-Crisis but up until the '80s he did. I just don't think Funnyface needs a separate page for one appearance that's a retelling of his only other appearance. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 16:12, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

Gotham (TV Series) Episode: What The Little Bird Told Him to Gotham (TV Series) Episode: What the Little Bird Told Him
Proper capitalization for a title. - Byfield (talk) 20:36, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Muggsy Morton (Earth-One) to Muggsy Morton (Earth-Two)
This character's only appearance was in in 1954, which is still Earth-Two, and that's how we have it indexed for the other characters in the story. (The first story in is Earth-One, but that's because of Two-Face continuity. Morton is in the third story, which is Earth-Two.) Shadzane &#128128; (talk)  21:41, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

General Zahl (New Earth) to Zahl (New Earth)
We're getting away from using military rank and other titles in the page names. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 14:58, February 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * This is an instance where I think it is better to stick to the "codename" than change it to just the last name. Kyletheobald (talk) 21:32, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

John Zatara (New Earth) to Giovanni Zatara (New Earth)
Giovanni was said to be his real name at least as far back as his 1987 Who's Who entry. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 15:35, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Mister Camera (Earth-One) to Mister Camera (Earth-Two)
This character's only appearance was in in 1954, which is still Earth-Two, and that's how we have it indexed for the other characters in the story. (The first story in is Earth-One, but that's because of Two-Face continuity. Mister Camera is in the second story, which is Earth-Two.) Shadzane &#128128; (talk)  20:50, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Mole (New Earth) to Mole (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis, and it seems unlikely that he did, given the Superman reboot. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 21:06, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

This page was moved to Mole III (Earth-One). DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 16:47, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Brujería to Brujería (New Earth)
Since we have a version of the Brujería in the Constantine series that has different membership then the one for the comics we should rename with a New Earth designation. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 08:49, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Miranda Ralston (New Earth) to Miranda Ralston (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:23, February 20, 2015 (UTC)

Brainiac (Earth-16) to Collector of Worlds (Earth-16)
The Collector of Worlds was never once called Braniac in Young Justice comics. This is just like Devil Ray in Justice League Unlimited. It's pretty obvious that he's based of Braniac, but he is a different and has a different name then the traditional version. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 06:09, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Outlaws to Outlaws (Prime Earth)
The page should get a universe designation. It doesn't seem right that we have a disambig for Outlaw but then have an actual page for Outlaws. I'm thinking we move the team to having a universe designation and then redirect Outlaws to Outlaw. --- <font color="Black">Haroldrocks  talk  11:23, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

Martin Mantle, Jr. (New Earth) to Martin Mantle, Jr. (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 22:28, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

EMP Mask to Smart Mask
The wording of the name initially was a mistake. It was called the Smart Mask in its first appearance, and only renamed the EMP Mask after its transition to Prime Earth. The first name seems far more appropriate as a result, not to mention it is heavily implied to be its official designation by its creator, Lucius Fox.GZilla311 (talk) 22:47, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

Nathaniel Wilson (Prime Earth) to Charles Wilson (Prime Earth)
Even though it's a rather blatant change to his identity (from his current combat ability down to his very name) from Deathstroke Vol 2 to Deathstroke Vol 3, Tony S. Daniel has altered the identity of Deathstroke's father, and the pages should probably change accordingly. Unless we shouldn't.GZilla311 (talk) 22:40, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Malachi Yandro (New Earth) to Malachi Yandro (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 04:26, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Farooq (Flashpoint Timeline) to Farooq Amar (Flashpoint Timeline)
The profile/sketch in the back of gives his last name. -- Tupka 217 18:52, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Justice League Unlimited (TV Series) Episode: For The Man Who Has Everything to Justice League Unlimited (TV Series) Episode: For the Man Who Has Everything
Correct capitalization of the title. - Byfield (talk) 21:17, March 7, 2015 (UTC)

Gotham (TV Series) Episode: Everyone Has A Cobblepot to Gotham (TV Series) Episode: Everyone Has a Cobblepot
Correct title capitalization. - Byfield (talk) 23:10, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

Jackanapes (New Earth) to Jackanapes (Batman in Bethlehem)
Per the talk page. He's part of a possible future and should have a different universe designation. --- <font color="Black">Haroldrocks  talk  23:18, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

Jon Lane Kent (Prime Earth) to Jonathan Lane Kent (Prime Earth)
See Talk: Jonathan Lane Kent (Prime Earth). DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 16:43, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Dr. Deemo (Swamp Thing 1991 TV Series) to Doctor Deemo (Swamp Thing 1991 TV Series)
There is no reason to abbreviate the honorific in the title in this case. - Byfield (talk) 15:09, March 14, 2015 (UTC)

Batman (1966 TV Series) Episode: Smack In The Middle to Batman (1966 TV Series) Episode: Smack in the Middle
Correct capitalization in the title. - Byfield (talk) 23:40, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

White Lantern Corps to White Lantern Corps (New Earth)
Since they've introduced a Prime Earth version of the White Lantern Corps in the 40th issue of Green Lantern: New Guardians and since many of the characters who were members of the White Lantern Corps in the previous continuity were never members in the current continuity I believe it is time to move the page to a New Earth designation and create a Prime Earth page for the current incarnation. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 12:02, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Leslie Townes Hope (Earth-Twelve) to Leslie Townes Hope (New Earth)
Bob Hope's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 00:24, March 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * This might be an example where we need more than one version. I don't think the Earth-Twelve stuff will fit with a cameo here. Kyletheobald (talk) 02:11, March 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think that, for Real People, we should have conservation of pages. If they appeared pre-Crisis (in normal realities, not something weird like Earth-Three or an Imaginary Story reality) and post-Crisis (on New Earth), they only get one page (no matter how different they were pre- and post-Crisis).
 * (I guess this means that I consider Earth-Twelve a normal reality.) Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 02:43, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

John Grimm (Earth-Two) to John Grimm (New Earth)
Caveman's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:14, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Fly (Earth-Two) to Fly (New Earth)
Fly's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:35, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Skull (Earth-Two) to Skull (New Earth)
Skull's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:35, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Skull (New Earth) to Skull II (New Earth)
To make room for the golden age Skull (as seen above). Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:35, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Wanted: The Super Friends to Super Friends (TV Series) Episode: Wanted: The Superfriends
Proposed by DrJohnnyDiablo as per episode title card. See here.

I've also commented there as follows:
 * There is a massive amount of inconsistency with the term with it being rendered "Super Friends", "SuperFriends", and "Superfirends". It doesn't help that the 1978 season used all caps without cameling. The constant used on the Database has been "Super Friends".

- Byfield (talk) 22:02, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

Bruce Wayne (Anansi) to Bruce Wayne (Anansi Timeline)
Anansi is used as a disambig, so it can't be used for a reality designation. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 15:17, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

Shondra Kinsolving (New Earth) to Sandra Asplin (New Earth)
According to the page, that's her real name. --- <font color="Black">Haroldrocks  talk  22:10, March 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * Removing for now. It's going to need a source. -- Tupka 217 11:09, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

Awesome Threesome to Awesome Threesome (Earth-One)
Move to accommodate a disambig. There was a Filmation Adventures version. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 16:32, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

Plastic Man (Earth-One) to Eel O'Brian (Earth-One)
The introductory caption in practically all of his Earth-One stories tell us he's "Eel" O'Brian. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 01:35, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Streak (Earth-Two) to Streak (New Earth)
According to the page, he dies in and according to the GCD, Alan Scott creates an image of him in.

Wonderdog to Wonder Dog
"Wonder Dog" is the more common rendering. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 13:08, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

Dome to Dome (Building)
We also have Dome (Earth-S) and Dome (New Earth), so we need a disambig. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 00:46, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

Teen Titans (Earth-Teen Titans) to Teen Titans (Teen Titans TV Series)
To do away with the Earth-Teen Titans reality designation. All related pages should also be moved. See Talk:Teen Titans (Earth-Teen Titans) DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 00:31, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Lady Djinn (Earth-One) to Lady Djinn (New Earth)
Lady Djinn's existence on New Earth (or someplace adjacent to the New Earth cosmos) is established in and subsequent issues. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 19:24, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

Kra (Earth-One) to Kra (New Earth)
Kra's existence on New Earth is established in. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:15, April 15, 2015 (UTC)

King Ra-Man (New Earth) to Ra-Man (New Earth)
He used to be Prince Ra-Man, but now he is King Ra-Man. I think that makes it clear that Ra-Man is his name, and Prince and King are just titles. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 22:43, April 15, 2015 (UTC)

Klaus Kristin (New Earth) to Klaus Kristin (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:54, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

Star Sapphire (Earth-Two) to Star Sapphire I (New Earth)
See Talk:Star Sapphire I (New Earth). DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 15:56, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

William Batson (Kid Superpower Hour) to William Batson (Kid Super Power Hour)
Created the article using a pre-existing red link and failed to notice the typos in the text.KylieMfever (talk) 21:37, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Super-Woman (Earth-Three) to Lois (Earth-Three)
In Convergence: Crime Syndicate Vol 1 1 it was revealed that Super-Woman's first name was Lois as Owlman called here Lois twice in the issue and Power Ring called her Lois after the syndicate was transported to the DC One Million Metropolis. With this revelation, I suggest moving the page to Lois (Earth-Three). DalekSupreme13 (talk) 08:10, May 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm gonna go purist and declare Convergence non-canon on these kind of things. Also, I dislike moving things to just a first name. -- Tupka 217 08:29, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

Crypt (New Earth) to Krypt (New Earth)
Crypt (New Earth) should be moved to Krypt (New Earth). Only appearance I'm aware of is the JSA Onimar Synn return of Hawkman arc and it was spelled with a K. --Unatratnag (talk) 11:04, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Jacob Trask (Earth-One) to Jacob Trask (New Earth)
Appeared in flashback in. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 16:36, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Just FYI, was moved to Jake Trask (New Earth) instead Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 14:56, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Sylvester Sebastopol (Earth-One) to Sylvester Sebastopol (New Earth)
Appeared in flashback in. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 16:37, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Hoogin (Earth-One) to Hoogin (New Earth)
In flashback in. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 01:57, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

Mister Who (Earth-Two) to Mister Who (New Earth)
He appeared in. Kyletheobald (talk) 20:03, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

Retrorocket (Earth-One) to Retrorocket (Super Friends)
Per the discussion here. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 14:42, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

Willa Holland to Actors:Willa Holland
Naming convention.

- Byfield (talk) 01:16, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Scott Free (Prime Earth) to Scot (Prime Earth)
Revealed as real name in. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 01:23, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Rachel Roth (New Earth) to Raven (New Earth)
Rachel Roth is just a fake name used by Raven, so it would make sense to change the article to Raven.

LEGOFan2001 (talk) 13:33, June 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * This has been proposed before (see here). Not sure why it hasn't been done. Maybe because it didn't have its own heading (until now)? Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 18:29, June 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * It didn't have a move tag, so it was overlooked. -- Tupka 217 18:52, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * I just added the move tag today. --LEGOFan2001 (talk) 20:06, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Actor:Derek Hamilton to Actors:Derek Hamilton
Typo in page creation.

- Byfield (talk) 17:08, June 7, 2015 (UTC)

Tubby Watts (New Earth) to Theodore Watts (New Earth)
Seen in. Kyletheobald (talk) 02:09, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Graxonites to Graxosians
I already raised this point with Delboy, who created the race pages, but he never bothered to provide a course for the name. It's Graxosian in. -- Tupka 217 14:19, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Jesse Reese (Birds of Prey) to Jesse Hawke (Birds of Prey)
I'm putting this one up to represent the entire "birth name is a minor spoiler" group of characters. By the way, when's the DC Database:Naming Conventions page getting updated? JamesBCrazy (talk) 18:14, November 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * Is his actual name Jesse Hawke, or is his dad just named Hawke? We moved away from "father's name is birthname". -- Tupka 217 18:21, November 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * He was born Hawke, and changed it to Reese at some point before the series began. JamesBCrazy (talk) 04:29, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

Allura (Earth-One) to Allura (New Earth)
She's in and. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 12:54, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Aquarius (Earth-Two) to Aquarius (New Earth)
He's in. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 01:43, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

DC Sneak Peak: Justice League United (Digital) to DC Sneak Peek: Justice League United (Digital)
Typo in pagename. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 19:25, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

Harley Quinn (Batman 1966 TV Series) to Holly Quinn (Batman 1966 TV Series)
Per. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 03:14, August 23, 2015 (UTC)

Harlequin III (New Earth) to Harlequin IV (New Earth)
She followed Molly Mayne, Duela Dent and Marcie Cooper. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 03:53, August 23, 2015 (UTC)

Charles Elkin (New Earth) to Charles Elkin (Earth-One)
We have already agreed that his adopted son Tommy Moon is Earth-One only (see above), and the same arguments apply here. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:28, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

David Rennington (New Earth) to David Rennington (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. ( was published post-Crisis, but it was a pre-Crisis story, as the Crisis hadn't "caught up" with Batman yet.) Shadzane &#128128; (talk)  15:16, August 31, 2015 (UTC)

Inferno (Post-Zero Hour) to Sandy Anderson (Post-Zero Hour)
Given in the Inferno mini. Kyletheobald (talk) 02:56, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Inventor (Earth-One) to Inventor (Earth-Two)
This character's only appearance was in in 1954, which is still Earth-Two, and that's how we have it indexed for the other characters in the story (Batman, Robin, etc). Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 17:12, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Olga (Earth-Two) to Olga (New Earth)
was Post-Crisis. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 00:22, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Dudley Marvel (Earth-S) to Dudley (Earth-S)
The name "Dudley Marvel" was probably never used in-universe. He's "Uncle Dudley" or "Uncle Marvel". DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 02:26, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

Dudley Marvel (Earth 5) to Dudley (Earth 5)
The same reasoning as the Earth-S version above. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 02:28, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

Tommy Moon (New Earth) to Tommy Moon (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 18:14, December 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * The page has been moved to Thomas Moon (Earth-One) instead, which is OK. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:22, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Tigress (Earth-Two) to Tigress I (New Earth)
She's in. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 12:48, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Lucas Trent (Prime Earth) to Midnighter (Prime Earth)
In, he confirms that Lucas Trent was just an alias he used to fit in with society, which is the reason why he broke up with Apollo to keep from having to continue lying to him.GZilla311 (talk) 22:16, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Juan Vallambrosa (New Earth) to Juan Vallambrosa (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 06:47, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

Joshua Champion (New Earth) to Joshua Champion (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 06:49, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

Jonathan Payton Dorrance (New Earth) to Jonathan Payton Dorrance (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Unless you count the fact that his son Dane Dorrance is on New Earth and must have had a father, but is that enough? Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 18:02, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

Jose Ramirez (New Earth) to Jose Ramirez (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 18:07, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

Jonathan Tane (New Earth) to John Tane (New Earth)
To my knowledge, he's never actually called Jonathan. Just John and Johnny. Who's Who calls him John, Secret Origins gives his full name as John Stuart Mill Tane - no Jonathan. -- Tupka 217 18:38, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

James Moon (New Earth) to James Moon (Earth-One)
We have already agreed that his son Tommy Moon is Earth-One only (see above), and the same arguments apply here. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 14:42, August 27, 2015 (UTC}

Titans Hunt to Titans Hunt (Storyline)
An upcoming series with this title was announced at Comic-Con. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 12:03, July 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * At least New Titans: Titans Hunt; for storylines, it's Team/Character/Title: Storyline. (Event) and (Storyline( is only for big crossovers where one char/team doesn't apply. -- Tupka 217 12:38, July 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * OK. That makes sense. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 13:05, July 11, 2015 (UTC)

Jaime Sanchez (New Earth) to Jaime Sanchez (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:16, August 31, 2015 (UTC)

James Daniels (New Earth) to James Daniels (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:16, August 31, 2015 (UTC)

Mister Haley (Earth-Two) to Mister Haly (Earth-Two)
Just re-read and. It's H-A-L-Y in both appearances. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 06:31, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Mister X (Earth-Two) to Mister X II (Earth-Two)
Earlier JSA villain called Mister X. Kyletheobald (talk) 17:51, September 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * Is there any chance the two could be the same person? Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 23:51, September 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * I haven't read either but you're welcome to check. There were a lot of villains running around with the same names back in the 40's though. Kyletheobald (talk) 23:53, September 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not the same guy. See this page. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 00:37, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Actors Lists
A-K hit the transclusion limit. I've transferred the L section from A-L to M-Z, but the page names need to be updated.
 * Actors A-L to Actors A-K Actors A-F
 * Actors M-Z to Actors L-Z Actors M-R

- Byfield (talk) 16:12, September 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think it's better to split the entire thing up in threes or fours - M is the 14th letter, it feels weird not to start a list with it. -- Tupka 217 16:14, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * When I had originally split the list in 1/2 I has put in a note on Actors for an eventual split to Actors A-F, Actors G-L, Actors M-R, and Actors S-Z. I could go do the re-bundling now and that would leave moving A-L to A-F and M-Z to either M-Z or S-Z (I'd tend to the latter). - Byfield (talk) 16:29, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Taking Tupka's suggestion, I've split the list in 4 as I outline above. This changes where the old list need to be moved to. - Byfield (talk) 14:07, September 15, 2015 (UTC)

Hetepkheti Tefnakhte (New Earth) to Hetepkheti Tefnakhte (Earth-Two)
Hetepkheti Tefnakhte has only ever made 3 appearances in DC's history and all 3 appearances took place on Earth-Two and they were all years before the crisis on infinite earths, so the New Earth reality designation doesn't apply to him. In lite of this I propose changing the page's name to Hetepkheti Tefnakhte (Earth-Two) to reflect this. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 12:13, September 19, 2015 (UTC)

Argus (New Olympians) (New Earth) to Argus (New Earth)
There's no need for the New Olympians designation in the title. Kyletheobald (talk) 03:38, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

Injustice Society to Injustice Society (New Earth)
Since we have other versions of the group besides the main incarnation, I propose moving the main versions page to Injustice Society (New Earth), so we might create a disambiguation page for the Injustice Society. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 13:30, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Robert Stanford (Lois & Clark) to Earl Gregg (Lois & Clark)
Robert "Bob" Stanford's an alias he's assumed. The character's real name is established to be Earl Gregg.KylieMfever (talk) 09:16, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

Lobo (Webseries) Episode: Bustin' Out Of Oblivion Part 1 to Lobo (Webseries) Episode: Bustin' Out of Oblivion, Part 1
Correct capitalization and consistent formatting for multi-part episodes. Also affects Lobo (Webseries) Episode: Bustin' Out Of Oblivion Part 2

- Byfield (talk) 20:56, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Hildy Park (New Earth) to Hildy Park (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 23:17, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Jefferson Jackson (New Earth) to Jefferson Jackson (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 17:09, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

Frau Netz (Prime Earth) to Elisabeth Netz (Prime Earth)
She tells Dick Grayson to call her Elisabeth in the preview to Grayson #13. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 05:17, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

Helix to Helix (Imprint)
Move to make way for a disambiguation page, because there's also Helix (New Earth), Helix Commission and Roger Zither (Prime Earth). DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 11:48, November 16, 2015 (UTC)

Vanessa Tremont (New Earth) to Vanessa Tremont (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 16:28, November 16, 2015 (UTC)

Pol Manning (New Earth) to Pol Manning (Earth-One)
AFAIK, this Pol Manning only appeared in, and was never mentioned again. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 02:37, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

George Dyke (Earth-One) to George Dyke (New Earth)
He appeared in, which was Post-Crisis. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 15:22, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

Hugo Van Beck (Earth-Two) to Hugo Van Beck (New Earth)
He appeared in. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 19:50, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

Basilisk to Basilisk (Organization)
Move to make way for a disambiguation page, because Irish Autumns (Earth-Twelve) is now in the database. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 17:50, December 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * It was moved to Basilisk (Prime Earth) instead, which is fine. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 23:05, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Alexander Tuttle (New Earth) to Alexander Tuttle (Earth-One)
I can't find any Post-Crisis appearances.DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 21:49, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Wolfie (Earth-C) to A. Wolf (Earth-C)
As seen in. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 02:50, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Floyd Barstow (New Earth) to Floyd Barstow Clone (New Earth)
He's the clone of Barstow. Shown in. Kyletheobald (talk) 18:46, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

Lex Luthor (Superman Serials) to Luthor (Superman Serials)
Luthor didn't have a first name in any medium until 1960. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 13:29, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

Bloodlines to Bloodlines (Storyline)
Move to make way for a disambig, because of this. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 01:48, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

Dinah Drake Lance (Arrow) to Dinah Drake (Arrow)
Her maiden name is Dinah Drake. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 20:35, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

Bridgette D'Arbo (New Earth) to Bridgette D'Abo (New Earth)
Everything I've seen has no "R" in the last name. Not sure where that came from. Kyletheobald (talk) 23:40, January 30, 2016 (UTC)


 * The normal spelling of that surname is d'Abo, lowercase d. -- Tupka 217 23:44, January 30, 2016 (UTC)


 * I can't speak to normal spelling but the text pages in Peacemaker 1 and 4 have it capitalized. Kyletheobald (talk) 23:58, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

Satanus (Earth-One) to Satanis (Earth-One)
Apparently, it's been misspelled all this time -- see the Talk page. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 22:37, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

I vote by the change. Kowalewski (talk) 00:01, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

Hans Von Kelm (Quality Universe) to Hans Von Kelm (Earth-S)
He's from a Kid Eternity story, so he's from Earth-S. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 14:02, February 20, 2016 (UTC)

Rampage (Supergirl TV Series) to Caren Falqnerr (Supergirl TV Series)
The character reveals her true name to be "Caren Falqnerr" in Adventures of Supergirl #3.KylieMfever (talk) 22:08, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

General Electric (Earth-One) to General Electric (New Earth)
He was mentioned in, which was Post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 19:45, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

Ghetto-Blaster (New Earth) to Ghetto-Blaster (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 00:30, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

General Karnz (New Earth) to General Karnz (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 00:34, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

Gary Johnson (New Earth) to Gary Johnson (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 21:05, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Rigger Sims (Earth-One) to Rigger Sims (Earth-Two)
This character's only appearance was in in 1953, which is still Earth-Two, and that's how we have it indexed for the other characters in the story (Batman, Robin, etc). On this wiki, we have the dividing line between Earth-One and Earth-Two between and  (in 1955). Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 21:50, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Technosapians to Technosapiens
Spelling error. Kyletheobald (talk) 17:39, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Scooby-Doo: Where Are You? Vol 1 to Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? Vol 1
Unlike other subtitles like Year One, the title of this Scooby comic is essentially the same as the TV series. Sure it can be used as subtitle, but it's not quite the same. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible (talk) 14:26, March 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Move proposals won't work for volumes, as they need to be moved differently. See Category:Volumes That Need to be Moved. -- Tupka 217 14:32, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

The Shade I (Earth-Two) to Shade I (Earth-Two)
We don't start character page names with "The". DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 11:41, July 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually, this character already has a page at Shade (Earth-Two), so I marked for deletion. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 11:45, July 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Not the same character. That's the point of adding this page.  Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 12:05, July 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Vigilante fought two separate Shades in the same issue? DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 12:06, July 26, 2015 (UTC)

Shade (Earth-Two) to Keyhole Carter (Earth-Two)
And it turns out that page should be moved. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 11:48, July 26, 2015 (UTC)

The Shade II (Earth-Two) to Shade II (Earth-Two)
"The", again. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 12:00, July 26, 2015 (UTC)

Kai-Ro (New Earth) to Kai-Ro (Hush Beyond)
If Kal-El in Batman Beyond Vol 3 1 is to be considered different from Kal-El (New Earth), so should Kai-Ro depicted in Batman Beyond Vol 3 1 be considered different from Kai-Ro (New Earth).

Danishjaveed (talk) 03:32, July 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * The move should also include:
 * Justice League Unlimited (New Earth) to Justice League Unlimited (Hush Beyond)
 * Mareena (New Earth) to Mareena (Hush Beyond)
 * Rex Stewart (New Earth) to Rex Stewart (Hush Beyond)
 * Terrence McGinnis (New Earth) to Terrence McGinnis (Hush Beyond)
 * Micron (New Earth) to Micron (Hush Beyond)


 * Danishjaveed (talk) 03:32, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Henry King, Sr. (New Earth) to Henry King (New Earth)
Character pages should be under the person's original/birth name. Brainwave was born Henry King, and only became Henry King, Sr. when his own son was born. (This should apply to all Seniors who have pages.) Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 17:29, August 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * For disambiguation purposes, I think we can keep this. -- Tupka 217 17:33, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Jonathan Gunnarson (New Earth) to Jonathan Gunnarson (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. (Unless a blanket decision has been made that all I...Vampire characters survived Crisis. I know that is true of some other mid-Eighties series.) Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 08:18, August 23, 2015 (UTC)

Jason Bard (Earth-One) to Jason Bard (Earth-Two)
This character's only appearance was in in 1954, which is still Earth-Two, and that's how we have it indexed for the other characters in the story (Batman, Robin, etc). Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 14:48, August 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * I moved this, but that border between Earths Two and One is unclear. Some argue Earth-One's Bat family's first appearance is 1952, in . That's what the Batman article has. At any rate, the Batman appearances should be reindexed. -- Tupka 217 14:45, January 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, the first Earth-One Batman story is, but that is an early outlier because that is the origin of the (Earth-One) Superman/Batman team. In general, this database has the border between Earth-Two and Earth-One Batman in (cover date) November 1955, between & . I believe that is based on the DarkMark indexes, but I don't know for sure, I wasn't here when that was decided. It is true, other comics indexers place the break elsewhere (for example, Mike of Mike's Amazing World places it between  and ), but for now this database is built on the Nov 55 border. If someone wants to change that, they can I guess, but it would be lots of work for an arbitrary distinction. Shadzane &#128128; (talk)  17:42, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Orin I (Prime Earth) to Orin (Prime Earth)
Prime Earth Aquaman doesn't bear the name Orin, which means his ancestor is the only Orin in this continuity. -- <font face="Old English Text MT"> The Talk Goblin 15:29, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

Spider III (Quality Universe) to Frank Stacy (Quality Universe)
His identity is revealed in his only appearance. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 11:45, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Roscoe (Quality Universe) to Roscoe (Quality Funny Animal Universe)
See this discussion. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 01:41, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

Rao to Rao (Star)
Since there is also a character named Rao and there is more then one version of said character I propose we move the page for the star named Rao to Rao (Star) and create a disambiguation page for the name Rao. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 08:32, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

Rominoff (New Earth) to Dracula (New Earth)
He was revealed as such in. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 15:11, September 19, 2015 (UTC)

Maxwell Taylor (Smallville) to George Taylor (Smallville)
His full name is given as "George Maxwell Taylor", making Maxwell his middle name and not first name.KylieMfever (talk) 08:52, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * But what does that mean? We don't use characters full names as page names (unless it helps with disambiguation), so we usually drop the middle names because they are irrelevant (just like in real life). But in this character's case, his first name is irrelevant. He doesn't use it except for signing contracts. Max/Maxwell is the name he uses in every day life. So, wouldn't Maxwell Taylor be correct? (Unless there is a "Always use first name as Page Name" rule I don't know about. Or he actually used George as a child, which would fit the "Use earliest name as Page Name" rule.) Shadzane &#128128; (talk)  15:27, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Frankly it comes down to what name was used most prevalently in the single episode he appeared in. If it was "Max", then that is where we should start.
 * At that point we run into the tendency on site to expand shortened names if we got a "fuller" one that can be cited. So "Max" becomes "Maxwell" for the article title if we've got a nameplate visible in the ep, or it is verbally recognized in the dialogue.
 * Beyond that, it becomes more than a little pointless to insist that the article be moved from "Maxwell Taylor" to "George Taylor" because there is a reference some where in the ep, I hope, that provides his full given name. This is an extremely minor character in the series who uses a shortened version of his middle given name. That's enough for me to say "Maxwell" is fine for the article title.
 * If the intent of the move is to more closely align the article with the dab page George Taylor and the original character George Taylor (Earth-Two) the "Real Name" parameter and the information in the notes section are sufficient for that.
 * - Byfield (talk) 09:43, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Super Buddies to Super Buddies (New Earth)
Since we now have a Justice League 3000 version of the super buddies, I propose the we move the New Earth version of the team to a New Earth designation so we can create a disambiguation page for the team. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 12:16, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Adventures of Supergirl/Covers to Adventures of Supergirl (Digital)/Covers
Messed up naming the category. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 02:10, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Mister Puny (Earth-S) to Puny (Earth-S)
He may be called Mister Puny on the cover of, but in the actual story is is only called Puny. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 20:18, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

Faora Hu-Ul (DC Extended Universe) to Faora-Ul (DC Extended Universe)
She is only ever named "Faora-Ul", never "Faora Hu-Ul". — MakeShift ( talk  &middot; <span title="My contributions to ">contribs ) 11:02, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Actors:Dario Delacio to Actors:Dario De Iacio
Proper spelling from the actual credits. Currently it's <tt>Actors:Dario Delacio</tt> and it should be <tt>Actors:Dario De Iacio</tt>.

- Byfield (talk) 10:38, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

Lyla Michaels (New Earth) to Lyla Michaels (Pre-Crisis)
See the talk page. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:33, April 8, 2016 (UTC)

Eric Courtney (Earth-One) to Eric Courtney (New Earth)
The whole concept of this character was that he may or may not be the post-Crisis version of Lord Volt. He should definitely be New Earth. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:11, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Artemis (Female Furies) (New Earth) to Artemiz (New Earth)
Should use characters original name spelling instead of later version, which may be a spelling error -- and if it's not a error, it's a name change and we should use original. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:30, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Cyclops to Cyclopes
Race pages should use plural form in the name. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:30, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Captain Cook (Quality Universe) to Craig Cook (Quality Universe)
Apparently, someone discovered Cptn. Cook's first name somewhere. Shadzane &#128128; (talk)

Ted Grant (Earth 2) to Theodore Grant (Earth 2)
. Kyletheobald (talk) 22:26, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

DC's Legends of Tomorrow (TV Series) Episode: Last Refugee to DC's Legends of Tomorrow (TV Series) Episode: Last Refuge
Typo in the name. 04:05, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

Clarence Callahan (New Earth) to Clarence Callahan (Quality Universe)
Brings him in line with other Quality characters. Kyletheobald (talk) 02:56, April 25, 2016 (UTC)


 * Per the primary source material, National Comics Vol 1 42 May 1944, (his 1st appearance), and National Comics Vol 1 75 Dec 1949, (his last appearance in National), it's spelled "Calahan". Which certainly does look wrong, but there it is.  Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 17:08, May 21, 2016 (UTC)

General Mills Presents Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice vol 1 1 to General Mills Presents Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Vol 1 1
I made several typos in creating this page Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 23:11, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

Jonsey Vol 1 to Jonesy Vol 1
Got the character's name wrong. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 01:34, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Jonsey Vol 1 85 to Jonesy Vol 1 85
See above. Then repeat for, , , , , and. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 01:42, May 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * Okay I did the "repeat for" part, that is, I did the "repeat for" part.  Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 12:40, March 1, 2017 (UTC)

Cannonball (Earth-Two) to Horace Calhoun (Earth-Two)
Kyletheobald (talk) 16:17, May 21, 2016 (UTC)

White Lantern Corps to White Lantern Corps (New Earth)
There exists a version of the White Lantern Corps in the Ame-Comi universe whose origin and line-up is completely different from the New Earth version, so we should move the existing page to a New Earth designation and create a disambiguation page. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 16:00, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

Marvel Family to Marvel Family (New Earth)
We currently have pages for 4 different versions of the Marvel Family, so we need to move the main one to a New Earth designation and create a disambiguation page for the Marvel Family, so that people can find the other 3 versions. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 16:00, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

Victory Vs to Victory V's
Apostrophe. Kyletheobald (talk) 12:57, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

Great Ten to Great Ten (New Earth)
Disambig. Kyletheobald (talk) 12:57, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

Manhunters to Manhunters (New Earth)
I propose moving the Manhunters page to a New Earth designation so that we might create a disambiguation page for them as we have 7 alternate versions for the Manhunters in total and pages for 2 of these alternate versions have already been created. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 21:40, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

Leviathan Entity (New Earth) to Leviathan Entity (Prime Earth)
The Leviathan Entity has only made 5 appearances and 4 of those were post-flashpoint, so I propose moving the page to a Prime Earth designation to reflect this. It is the same issue we had with Damian. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 21:42, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Jonathan L. Thunder (New Earth) to John Thunder (New Earth)
His origin in and his Who's Who entry both use "John". The middle initial is not necessary. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 01:37, June 30, 2016 (UTC)

Gotham (Prime Earth) and Gotham Girl (Prime Earth) to Henry Clover, Jr. (Prime Earth) and Claire Clover (Prime Earth)
Their civilian names, as revealed in Batman Vol 3 3. - Ver-mont (talk) 23:14, July 20, 2016 (UTC)


 * If their father is Henry Clover, he should be Henry Clover, Jr. (Prime Earth). -- Tupka 217 03:04, July 27, 2016 (UTC)

Ralph Dibney (Prime Earth) to Ralph Dibny (Prime Earth)
I think his last name was misspelled somewhere along the way. The last several issues of Secret Six Vol 4 I've leafed through have spelled his last name as Dibny like his Pre-Flashpoint incarnation.

-SadCryingClown (talk) 16:16, July 28, 2016 (UTC)

Malese Jow to Actors:Malese Jow
Clicked on a red link to create an article. Noticed too late, that the red link was incorrectly written.KylieMfever (talk) 18:00, July 29, 2016 (UTC)

Big Tony (Prime Earth) to Anthony Delfini (Prime Earth)
His last name was revealed in.

-SadCryingClown (talk) 18:22, August 3, 2016 (UTC)

Sandra of the Secret Service (Earth-Two) to Sandra McLane (Earth-Two)
Can find the issue to confirm but other online sources have it in. Kyletheobald (talk) 18:18, August 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * 26 is unscanned and unreprinted AFAIK. -- Tupka 217 18:36, August 7, 2016 (UTC)

Super DC Giant Vol 1 S-27 to Super DC Giant Vol 1 27
Unlike the rest of the series, this issue does not have an "S" in front of the number Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 14:27, August 12, 2016 (UTC)

Lena (New Earth) to Lena the Lemur (New Earth)
In line with other animal characters. Also opens up "Lena" should we need it. Kyletheobald (talk) 06:35, August 13, 2016 (UTC)

Actors:CCH Pounder to Actors:C.C.H. Pounder
Consistancy with other creative staff listed under initials. - Byfield (talk) 17:33, August 14, 2016 (UTC)
 * Even if she's credited as "CCH Pounder"? DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 17:58, August 14, 2016 (UTC)
 * With initials, I'd say yes based on the sorting methods used here. - Byfield (talk) 19:03, August 14, 2016 (UTC)

Tatsu Toro (DC Extended Universe) to Tatsu Yamashiro (DC Extended Universe)
She's consistently called Tatsu Yamashiro by official material, never Tatsu Toro. - Ver-mont (talk) 02:51, August 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * Where did we get "Toro" from, anyway? Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 04:32, August 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't give you the issue but it was the New 52 name. Kyletheobald (talk) 04:39, August 21, 2016 (UTC)


 * It's her maiden name in the New 52. Many people forget that Yamashiro is her married name (just like Waller is). -- Tupka 217 10:44, August 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, well that makes sense. Probably shouldn't rename, then. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 17:18, August 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * It's her maiden name in Prime Earth, there's nothing saying it's the same case for the DC Extended Universe. It's conjecture. We should use the only official name she was given. (Otherwise we might just go ahead and change the Arrow version from Yamashiro to Toro too, for instance) - Ver-mont (talk) 01:00, August 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * That is a bit of an ongoing problem. I can see the attraction of using the "current" comic book version to name a recent adaptation. But unless that is supported in the adaptation, it's conjecture.
 * - Byfield (talk) 02:33, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

Sivana Family to Sivana Family (New Earth)
Since we have pages for 2 different incarnations of the Sivana Family, We should move the main one to a New Earth designation so that we can create a disambiguation page for the group. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 21:25, August 21, 2016 (UTC)

Arrow (TV Series) Episode: Darkness On The Edge Of Town to Arrow (TV Series) Episode: Darkness on the Edge of Town
Correct capitalization. - Byfield (talk) 01:40, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

Harley Quinn and her Gang of Harleys Vol 1 4 to Harley Quinn and Her Gang of Harleys Vol 1 4
Rogue lowercase "h" in issue title.

-SadCryingClown (talk) 23:40, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

John Grayson II (Earth 2) to John Grayson (Earth 2)
No indication of any other John Grayson. Kyletheobald (talk) 03:38, September 5, 2016 (UTC)

Elinore Stone (Prime Earth) to Elinore Beatty (Prime Earth)
Revealed in. Kyletheobald (talk) 01:00, September 9, 2016 (UTC)

Evil Factory to Evil Factory (New Earth) & Evil Factory (Disambiguation) to Evil Factory
Got a little mess going with the Evil Factory pages. The disambiguation page for the organization is named Evil Factory (Disambiguation) which is messing up the template and the New Earth version is named Evil Factory instead of Evil Factory (New Earth). We really need to move these pages to their proper designations in order to fix the templates and make it easier for users to find the proper pages they are looking for. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 22:47, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Angst (New Earth) to Joseph Angst (New Earth)
Real name given in. Kyletheobald (talk) 14:54, September 15, 2016 (UTC)

Healer Randolph (Earth-One) to Healer Randolph (Earth-Two)
Pre-Crisis Tomahawk stories were set on Earth-Two, not Earth-One. We know this because Earth-Two's Liberty Belle was a descendant of Tomahawk character Miss Liberty. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:24, September 15, 2016 (UTC)

Sieur Satan (Earth-Two) to Sieur Satan (New Earth)
He's in the Post-Crisis retelling of Jay Garrick's origin in. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 15:16, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

Neol (Prime Earth) to Zeekil Neol (Prime Earth)
Revealed in. Kyletheobald (talk) 01:51, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Haunted Tank Unit to Haunted Tank Unit (New Earth)
There are at least versions on Prime Earth and The Brave and the Bold. Kyletheobald (talk) 08:32, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Captain Challenge (Earth-One) to Captain Challenge (Earth-Two)
Wrong universe. Kyletheobald (talk) 14:58, October 3, 2016 (UTC)

Professor Stanley (Earth-Two) to Professor Shanley (Earth-Two)
Someone mixed up the name. Kyletheobald (talk) 23:37, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

Vincent Everett (Flash TV Series) to Vincent Everett (Flash 1990 TV Series)
Universe designation. Kyletheobald (talk) 04:49, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Legends to Legends (Event)
Move to make way for a disambig now that we have Legends (Arrow). DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 18:23, October 14, 2016 (UTC)

Abraham Lincoln (The Brave and the Bold) to Abraham Lincoln (The Brave and the Bold: Earth-5501)
It was explicitly stated by Batman in the episode that the Abraham Lincoln we see in the episode mitefall is from an alternate version of the Brave and the Bold reality whose designation is Earth-5501. In accordance with our naming conventions, since the reality designation was explicitly stated we need to change the reality of the page to (The Brave and the Bold: Earth-5501).

This also means we have to move the Mary Todd (The Brave and the Bold) and John Wilkes Booth (The Brave and the Bold) pages to the same designation since they are from the same reality. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 00:17, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Alex Olsen (New Earth) to Alexander Olsen (New Earth)
According to, his full first name was Alexander. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 19:09, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

Chunk (Prime Earth) to Chester Runk (Prime Earth)
His full name was revealed in his first appearance Flash Vol 4 49, we just didn't have his appearance listed until now. --- <font color="Black">Haroldrocks  talk  03:49, November 10, 2016 (UTC)

Galte-Re (New Earth) to Galte-Re (Pre-Zero Hour)
He's from the Legion era. Kyletheobald (talk) 16:37, November 12, 2016 (UTC)

Justice Guild of America (DCAU) to Justice Guild of America (DCAU: Legends)
The Justice Guild were native to another universe and not the main DCAU. Therefore this article (and the below listed) should be moved to "DCAU: Legends".

Tom Turbine (DCAU) to Tom Turbine (DCAU: Legends), Catman (DCAU) to Catman (DCAU: Legends), Streak (DCAU) to Streak (DCAU: Legends), Scott Mason (DCAU) to Scott Mason (DCAU: Legends), Donna Nance (DCAU) to Donna Nance (DCAU: Legends), Ray Thompson (DCAU) to Ray Thompson (DCAU: Legends), Injustice Guild (DCAU) to Injustice Guild (DCAU: Legends), Sir Swami (DCAU) to Sir Swami (DCAU: Legends), Doctor Blizzard (DCAU) to Doctor Blizzard (DCAU: Legends), Sportsman (DCAU) to Sportsman (DCAU: Legends), Music Master (DCAU) to Music Master (DCAU: Legends). KylieMfever (talk) 20:34, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Secret Seven to Secret Seven (Flashpoint Timeline)
Adding universe designation. Kyletheobald (talk) 12:33, December 3, 2016 (UTC)

Nathan Heywood (Arrow) to Nathaniel Heywood (Arrow)
Full name is Nathaniel, as revealed in "Compromised". — MakeShift ( talk  &middot; <span title="My contributions to ">contribs ) 01:44, December 4, 2016 (UTC)

Crime Syndicate (Crisis on Two Earths) to Crime Syndicate (Crisis on Two Earths: Crime Syndicate Earth)
The Crime Syndicate was native to another universe and not the universe the regular Justice League comes from. Therefore this article (and the below listed) should be moved to "Crisis on Two Earths: Crime Syndicate Earth". DalekSupreme13 (talk) 00:27, December 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * Justice League (Crime Syndicate Earth) (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Mary Batson (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Archer (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Jester (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Owlman (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Angelique (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Model Citizen (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Aurora (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Scream Queen (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Olympiad (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Breakdance (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * J'edd J'arkus (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Vamp (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Sai (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Captain Super (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Johnny Quick (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Ultraman (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Gypsy Woman (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Warwolf (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Rose Wilson (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Power Ring (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Slade Wilson (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * James Olsen (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Black Power (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Extruded Man (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Uncle Super (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Captain Super, Jr. (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * She-Bat (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Harley (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Lex Luthor (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Manhawk (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Mary Mayhem (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Mister Horrific (Crisis on Two Earths)
 * Megamorpho (Crisis on Two Earths)

Injustice Syndicate (The Brave and the Bold) to Injustice Syndicate (The Brave and the Bold: Deep Cover for Batman!)
The Injustice Syndicate was native to another universe and not the universe the regular Brave and the Bold universe. Therefore this article (and the below listed) should be moved to "The Brave and the Bold: Deep Cover for Batman!" designation as per our rules regarding reality designations. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 02:21, December 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * Red Hood (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Owlman (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Silver Cyclone (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Blue Bowman (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Scarlet Scarab (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Dyna-Mite (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Parallel Earth Aquaman (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Parallel Earth Plastic Man (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Parallel Earth Fire (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Parallel Earth B'Wana Beast (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Parallel Earth Wildcat (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Parallel Earth Gorilla Grodd (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Parallel Earth Doctor Polaris (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Parallel Earth Black Manta (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Parallel Earth Clock King (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Parallel Earth Gentleman Ghost (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Parallel Earth Brain (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Parallel Earth Kite-Man (The Brave and the Bold)
 * Parallel Earth Sinestro (The Brave and the Bold)

Kara Zor-El (Supergirl TV Series) to Kara Zor-El (Arrow: Earth-38)
Since Supergirl's universe has official been designated as Earth-38, we need to move this article (and the below listed) to the Arrow: Earth-38 designation as per our rules regarding reality designations. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 03:04, December 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * Mon-El (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Winslow Schott, Jr. (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Winslow Schott, Sr. (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Jeremiah Danvers (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Alexandra Danvers (Supergirl TV Series)
 * J'onn J'onzz (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Henry Henshaw (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Kal-El (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Adam Foster (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Brainiac 8 (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Maxwell Lord (Supergirl TV Series)
 * James Olsen (Supergirl TV Series)
 * M'gann M'orzz (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Astra In-Ze (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Lena Luthor (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Red Tornado (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Margaret Sawyer (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Non (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Lillian Luthor (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Lucy Lane (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Bizarro (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Eliza Danvers (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Olivia Marsdin (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Kelex (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Vril Dox (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Catherine Grant (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Siobhan Smythe (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Snapper Carr (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Leslie Willis (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Caren Falqnerr (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Facet Jens (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Carter Grant (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Agent Vasquez (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Alura In-Ze (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Maxima (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Miranda Crane (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Zor-El (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Vartox (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Lara Lor-Van (Supergirl TV Series)
 * T.O. Morrow (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Benjamin Krull (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Gor (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Mur (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Hellgrammite (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Jemm (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Jor-El (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Katherine Grant (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Psi (Supergirl TV Series)
 * Samuel Lane (Supergirl TV Series)

Karen Clancy (New Earth) to Karen Clancy (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. (Unless a blanket decision has been made that all Swamp Thing Vol 2 characters survived Crisis. I know that is true of some other mid-Eighties series.) Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 23:31, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

Julian Albert (Arrow) to Julian Desmond (Arrow)
In the December 6, 2016 episode, "The Present", a computer screen shows Julian's dissertation with the signature "J. Albert Desmond". DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 03:48, December 7, 2016 (UTC)
 * The page ended up being called Julian Albert Desmond (Arrow). DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 16:01, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

"God" (Wildstorm Universe) to God (Wildstorm Universe)
To remove the quotes. Kyletheobald (talk) 03:01, December 20, 2016 (UTC)

Sparx (New Earth) to Frido Kelp (Earth-One)
1. The character's real name has been discovered. 2. I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:35, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

Arnold Weskler (Prime Earth) to Arnold Wesker (Prime Earth)
Subsequent issues have gone back to calling him Wesker. It's like 4 to 1 issues Wesker at this point, making it pretty clear "Weskler" was the mistake. --- <font color="Black">Haroldrocks  talk  03:03, December 24, 2016 (UTC)

Kara and the Chronicles of Krypton to Kara and the Chronicles of Krypton (Webseries)
Forgot to include "(Webseries)" in the title.KylieMfever (talk) 20:19, December 25, 2016 (UTC)

Don Rickles (New Earth) to Don Rickles (Earth-One)
Appearances were confined to pre-COIE era. Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 02:39, December 26, 2016 (UTC)

Batman (Bruce Wayne) to Bruce Wayne (New Earth)
The mainstream DC Universe has moved from New Earth to Prime Earth in 2011. A lot of these SEO pages have split from their Prime Earth pages such as Bruce Wayne (Prime Earth). SeanWheeler (talk) 05:19, December 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Aquaman (Arthur Curry) to Orin (New Earth)
 * Batman (Bruce Wayne) to Bruce Wayne (New Earth)
 * Catwoman (Selina Kyle) to Selina Kyle (New Earth)
 * Flash (Barry Allen) to Bartholomew Allen (New Earth)
 * Flash (Wally West) to Wallace West (New Earth)
 * Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) to Oliver Queen (New Earth)
 * Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) to Hal Jordan (New Earth)
 * Superman (Clark Kent) to Kal-El (New Earth)
 * Wonder Woman (Diana Prince) to Diana of Themyscira (New Earth)


 * I'm sure an adim will chime in here, but these are named such to improve search engine results. Arise Etrigan (talk) 09:03, December 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * Why try to improve search engine results for New Earth characters if Prime Earth is the current continuity? SeanWheeler (talk) 18:34, December 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * There are more intricate reasons to keep the names as of now. One of them being that Green Lantern and Flash (Wally) have not gotten their own Prime Earth pages yet. The idea itself is not bad, but in order to reach a consensus, a larger discussion is needed. Feel free to bring it up on the forums. - S.S. (talk) 20:39, December 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * So what if Hal and Wally don't have Prime Earth pages? There are a lot of New Earth characters that haven't split into Prime Earth and they still have New Earth in their titles. And the titles don't really affect google searches that much, which is why the Marvel Database abandoned that system. When searching "wonder woman", Wonder Woman (Diana Prince) doesn't show up until page two. When searching "Deathstroke", Slade Wilson (New Earth) is the third link on the list. SeanWheeler (talk) 23:53, December 26, 2016 (UTC)

Craig Cook (Quality Universe) to Creig Cook (Quality Universe)
per Smash Comics, Captain Cook story, page 4, panel 2 Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 22:20, December 25, 2016 (UTC)

Gray Man (New Earth) to Gray Man I (New Earth)
There has been at least two individuals knowns as the "Gray Man". This article is for the one who first appeared in Justice League Vol 1 2 (and died in Justice League International Vol 1 7). The one who appears in later issues is established as being his replacement. And neither man is issued a real name.KylieMfever (talk) 21:12, December 27, 2016 (UTC)

Injustice Gang I to Injustice Gang of the World
Per and, it is the official team name. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 03:15, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

Wallace West (Prime Earth) to Wallace R. West (Prime Earth)
The need to change the name comes from the fact that after DC Rebirth, there are two Wallace West s on the Prime Earth universe and the first name must be used for the Flash Wally, while the second name should be for Kid Flash Wally. The second link has the middle name inital, as indicated in the DC Comics Encyclopedia: All-New Edition. - S.S. (talk) 07:33, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Daniel Stone (Earth-One) to Daniel Stone I (New Earth)
Stone appears in. Kyletheobald (talk) 19:44, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Daniel Stone (New Earth) to Daniel Stone II (New Earth)
To make way from the other Daniel Stone. Kyletheobald (talk) 19:44, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

John Constantine (Constantine TV Series) to John Constantine (Arrow)
Since Wendy Mericle confirmed back in 2015 that the Constantine series was part of the Arrowverse and the fact that the animated revival of the series that will premiere in CW See is going to be part of the Arrowverse in the same vein as the Vixen series, It only makes sense to move the John Constantine page to the Arrow universe designation along with the other articles listed below. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 03:33, January 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * Astra Logue (Constantine TV Series)
 * Liv Aberdeen (Constantine TV Series)
 * Imogen (Constantine TV Series)
 * Felix Faust (Constantine TV Series)
 * Jasper Winters (Constantine TV Series)
 * Jacob Shaw (Constantine TV Series)
 * Lamashtu (Constantine TV Series)
 * Pazuzu (Constantine TV Series)
 * Geraldine Chandler (Constantine TV Series)
 * Anne-Marie Flynn (Constantine TV Series)
 * Marcello Panetti (Constantine TV Series)
 * Manny (Constantine TV Series)
 * Nergal (Constantine TV Series)
 * Fercifer (Constantine TV Series)
 * Nommo (Constantine TV Series)
 * Gary Lester (Constantine TV Series)
 * Fennel (Constantine TV Series)
 * Francis Chandler (Constantine TV Series)
 * James Corrigan (Constantine TV Series)
 * Karabas (Constantine TV Series)
 * Linton Midnite (Constantine TV Series)
 * Mary Martin (Constantine TV Series)
 * Mnemoth (Constantine TV Series)
 * Mrs. Lannis (Constantine TV Series)
 * Nachash (Constantine TV Series)
 * Renee Chandler (Constantine TV Series)
 * Richard Simpson (Constantine TV Series)
 * Roger Huntoon (Constantine TV Series)
 * The Man (Constantine TV Series)


 * As I mentioned in the talk page at the time, it's anything but certain. It all hinges on the answer "absolutely", but it's not clear what the question was, verbatim. The description after absolutely only mentions the look of the character, not the history or the TV series. I'd be much more comfortable if we just mae a seperate John Constantine (Arrow) page. It's not as clear cut as Supergirl. -- Tupka 21712:24, January 11, 2017 (UTC)

Justice League/Mighty Morphin Power Rangers Vol 1 to Justice League/Power Rangers Vol 1
My bad, sorry. I made this volume page when it was first announced, but it turns out that despite the cover logo, the indicia doesn't mention Mighty Morphin. The page for its first issue will need moving as well. Digifiend (talk) 06:13, January 12, 2017 (UTC)

Eve (Wonder Woman TV Series) to Eve Welch (Wonder Woman TV Series)
Wonder Woman '77 Meets the Bionic Woman #1 gives Eve's last name as "Welch".KylieMfever (talk) 16:21, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

Jake Delesco (Prime Earth) to Jake Dalesko (Prime Earth)
Misspelling. Kyletheobald (talk) 06:35, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

Nuclear Family to Nuclear Family (New Earth)
Disambig Kyletheobald (talk) 08:24, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Dinah Drake (Arrow) to Dinah Lance (Arrow)
The character's maiden name was never established to be "Drake" and she's credited only as "Dinah Lance". Furthermore, "Second Chances" establishes Dinah Drake to be a different character.KylieMfever (talk) 08:49, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Electric Gang to Electric Gang (Earth-One)
Disambig Kyletheobald (talk) 20:41, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Dinah Drake II (Arrow) to Dinah Drake (Arrow)

 * Due to the other article being renamed "Dinah Lance (Arrow)", the article should drop "II".KylieMfever (talk) 12:11, February 3, 2017 (UTC)

Loral (New Earth) to Lora Hall (Earth-Two)
Although Brane and Ricky appeared in, Loral only appeared in. Also, her real name is known to be Lora Hall. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 11:26, February 6, 2017 (UTC)

Bounty Hunter (New Earth) to Bounty Hunter II (Earth-One)
Died in his first appearance. Probably not depicted or mentioned since. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 06:57, February 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * The 80s Dial "H" for Hero series is one of those early 80s series where all the characters are marked New Earth, even though very few appeared post-Crisis. It's like whoever created all the pages said "It was so close to Crisis, let's go ahead and make them post-Crisis."
 * So, if we decide to change this guy to Earth-One (which I think is the right choice), we should probably change all the others. Are we prepared to flip that switch and undo the original decision that everyone in this series is New Earth? Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 07:34, February 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * Short answer, yes. That would be my preference. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 07:39, February 13, 2017 (UTC)

Contents of Category:Arrow:Earth-38/Images to Category:Arrow: Earth-38/Images
The designation used for the characters is Arrow: Earth-38 the bot that has been running does not have the space after the colon. The redirect page for the reality is also Arrow: Earth-38, not Arrow:Earth-38.

- Byfield (talk) 02:26, February 15, 2017 (UTC)

M.C. Gaines to M.C. Gaines
Extra spacing. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 19:58, February 20, 2017 (UTC)

Jihad to Jihad (New Earth)
Though not yet named, the Jihad appears on Prime Earth. Kyletheobald (talk) 11:53, February 23, 2017 (UTC)

Uxas (Prime Earth) to Uxas (Sphere of the Gods)
Since Darkseid and the other New 52 deities are native to another universe and not Prime Earth and Earth 2, we need to move him to a Sphere of the Gods designation to reflect that along with the others listed below. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 04:45, March 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * Uxas (Prime Earth)
 * Zeus (Prime Earth)
 * Izaya (Prime Earth)
 * Infinity Man (Prime Earth)
 * Black Racer (Prime Earth)
 * Steppenwolf (Prime Earth)
 * Lucifer Morningstar (Prime Earth)
 * Zonuz (Prime Earth)
 * Big Barda (Prime Earth)
 * Orion (Prime Earth)
 * Scot (Prime Earth)
 * Mamaragan (Prime Earth)
 * Metron (Prime Earth)
 * Kalibak (Prime Earth)
 * Amaya (Prime Earth)
 * Bekka (Prime Earth)
 * Ares (Prime Earth)
 * Zauriel (Prime Earth)
 * Hades (Prime Earth)
 * Eris (Prime Earth)
 * Hera (Prime Earth)
 * Hephaestus (Prime Earth)
 * Lapetus (Prime Earth)
 * Artemis, Goddess of the Hunt (Prime Earth)
 * Phoebus Apollo (Prime Earth)
 * Hermes (Prime Earth)
 * Poseidon (Prime Earth)
 * Aphrodite (Prime Earth)
 * DeSaad (Prime Earth)
 * Avia (Prime Earth)
 * Bedlam (Prime Earth)
 * Glorious Godfrey (Prime Earth)
 * Pallas Athena (Prime Earth)
 * Gabriel (Prime Earth)
 * Suriel (Prime Earth)
 * Demeter (Prime Earth)
 * Leilani Lugo (Prime Earth)
 * Beguiler (Prime Earth)
 * Lightray (Prime Earth)
 * Arcanis (Prime Earth)
 * Apokolips (Avatar) (Prime Earth)
 * Malhedron (Prime Earth)
 * Minerva (Earth 2)
 * Thoth (Prime Earth)
 * Kor (Prime Earth)
 * Nyx (Prime Earth)
 * Eros (Prime Earth)
 * Osiris (Prime Earth)
 * Lowest (Prime Earth)
 * Dionysus (Prime Earth)
 * Persephone (Prime Earth)
 * Uggha (Prime Earth)
 * Paternus (Prime Earth)
 * Rad (Prime Earth)
 * Dia (Prime Earth)
 * Eurus (Earth 2)
 * Rectifier (Prime Earth)
 * Female Furies (Prime Earth)
 * Forever People (Prime Earth)
 * Four Furies of Apokolips (Earth 2)
 * Court of Apokolips (Prime Earth)
 * The Wheel (Prime Earth)
 * Big Bear (Prime Earth)
 * Dreamer Beautiful (Prime Earth)
 * Mark Moonrider (Prime Earth)
 * Serafina Baldaur (Prime Earth)
 * Vykin Baldaur (Prime Earth)

Injustice: Year Two Vol 1 and Injustice: Year Three Vol 1 to Injustice: Gods Among Us: Year Two Vol 1 and Injustice: Gods Among Us: Year Three Vol 1
Full name on the cover of both series. We use it for Year Four and Five, but for some reason not Two and Three. --- <font color="Black">Haroldrocks  talk  02:30, March 6, 2017 (UTC)

The Superman Time Capsule! to Superman (Kellogg's) Vol 1 1B
This is not a one-shot. It is actually part of a three-issue series given away by Kellogg's in 1955. The series has no official name (because it has no indicia), but it has become known as Superman (Kellogg's) to collectors. The series is numbered strangely -- #1, #1A and #1B. The numbers can be seen in the bottom left corner of the covers. I will be adding the other two issues soon. All three issues have been reprinted by DC. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 17:08, March 6, 2017 (UTC)

Body Doubles to Body Doubles (New Earth)
Disambig Kyletheobald (talk) 21:16, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

Doctor Solano (Wonder Woman TV Series) to Thiago Solano (Wonder Woman TV Series)
His first name is revealed to be Thiago in Wonder Woman '77 Meets the Bionic Woman Vol 1 3.KylieMfever (talk) 17:47, March 15, 2017 (UTC)

Arkannone (New Earth) to Arkannone
No need for the universe designation. Most race pages don't have them. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 00:08, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Kimiyo Hoshi (Justice Lague Action) to Kimiyo Hoshi (Justice League Action)
I accidentally misspelled the name. ProfessorCheesecake (talk) 06:10, April 25, 2017‎ (UTC)

Inez Rhodes (New Earth) to Inez Rhodes (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 15:20, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Mentioned in . DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 21:17, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * There you go! I figured she must have been somewhere... Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 21:43, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * And prior to that comic, in Wally West's Post-Crisis Who's Who entries in Update '87 and . DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 21:54, November 16, 2016 (UTC)

Madame Zodiac (New Earth) to Madame Zodiac (Earth-One)
I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 23:21, December 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * I found it! It's in Trinity Vol 1, somewhere... Shadzane &#128128; (talk) 23:23, December 6, 2016 (UTC)