Thread:Lordofninjas1/@comment-1639863-20171011184718/@comment-4276072-20171016020538

Haroldrocks wrote: Lordofninjas1 wrote: I wasn't told that that was "from my perspective" I was only told that it was out of universe or whatever.

The first two sentences of this thread. If you didn't understand what I meant, that's fine, but I did address this issue.

Regarding your point about conciseness, you're not looking at the big picture here. Byfield's example of a good history is meant as a general grasp of the character. Yes, it's longer, because it's meant to serve a broader idea of who the character is and what he's done, while simultaneously avoiding any insignificant actions like turning around and saying "I'm thinking". That is conciseness, getting overly specific is not.

Now we could argue this for hours, but I really don't see the point. Again, we ask, even if you don't like our sitewide rules, that you respect them because they keep everything consistent. We never mind answering questions but debating us on well-established standards doesn't really lend itself to anything productive.

actually, the first two sentences on the thread are "The phrase "out of universe" means that the content is written from the standpoint of a real world viewer. On this site, we write everything in the context as if we're historians in the universe we're writing a page for." while you are trying to claim that you mentioned it being from my perspective, you didn't really, you more generalized it (standpoint of a real world viewer) rather than specifically saying my perspective (standpoint of you the real world viewer or something like that), and technically speaking what I put on there isn't an opinion or view I have (aka my perspective), it may be from a general 3rd person (outside looking in) perspective, but not specificially my personal perspective, but it is the perspective of what occurred on the show, it wasn't like I was saying "I believe this happened/will happen because of this that and the other" I was saying "this is what happened because the show showed and told us that it happened", so it's technically wrong to say it was my own perspective, as it wasn't.

while I'll admit that what he said and how he said it was better (covering your point about it being a good history) than mine and in a somewhat more general way than the 3rd person perspective (although both are eerily similar if you look at it, just basically changing the order of a few words and taking out that one sentence you said to/rewording it) it is not concise as it is long and can be shortened, according to dictionary.com the definition of concise is "expressing or covering much in few words; brief in form but comprehensive in scope; succinct; terse:". the way I said it in the most recent thing was using fewer words, briefly saying things, but still comprehensive enough to get a general idea of what is going on, where as he gets a bit more specific (which as you just said yourself isn't conciseness) and I showed how it could be made less specific and made more concise. also, I originally didn't even put the "I'm thinking" line in my thing (before this whole thread started) I simply said that he was just talking to her about the next step of the plan, I only mentioned the "I'm thinking" thing recently because Byfield mentioned it in his thing (and you are saying its insignificant and yet one of your friends that you are using as an example said it in there comment, must not be too insignificant then), so actually mine didn't contain the "insignificant actions" as you put it while his did, the only problem that was stated to have been with mine is that it mentioned the episode, he didn't really avoid them then did he?

it's not that I don't like the rules, I'm fine with the rules as is and respect them and stuff, I'm simply trying to propose a potential tweak to the rules or whatever to better the site and the pages and whatever (as I mentioned previously), it's nothing about hating the rules, it's more about "ok, how do we keep the essence of the rule and whatever but still tweak it to make the site better and give the users more information and such and still work within consistency for other/future pages." let me put it this way, I'm trying to get you to upgrade from the Iphone 6 to the Iphone 7 while at the same time not asking you to get rid of your Iphone 6, if that makes sense. I'm not debating, I'm simply proposing a tweak, there is a difference. I also agree, trying to get the point across to you that I don't have anything against the rules and just trying to make the rules better for everyone could take hours and I don't really see the point in continuing to do it either when you missed that I was trying to do that the entire time, as well as trying to tweak it so that the site is more productive on content which makes the site better, attracts more users, gives more information, etc. like I know you guys want. basically, I'm on your guys side with this, I'm just saying I want to help you alter a couple things to make the site better for everyone.