Ah yes, boulders and cars, those things that only come in one size and weight.

@Tupka217 bruh can you chill i gave you an example idky yur pressed

@VegetaX4 there are boulders that weigh less than a car, and viceversa. Typically they go by tons (metric or the others) when measuring lifting strength.

Whatever man

Why are you so defensive? I’m not attacking you. I’m not even attacking your argument. I’m trying to explain that the comparison you used could be more specific to avoid confusion.

@ScavengerOne wrong person

If you’re referring solely to metas who are connected to the Speed Force, I think they do have super strength when using the Speed Force. Barry has been shown to lift very heavy objects without much strain. Otherwise, I’d say about as strong as a professional fighter of the Speedster’s height and weight.

A Speedster’s super strength isn’t comparable to others where that’s one of their main powers, though. It also may depend on how much training a Speedster has. Barry for instance, was trained by Wonder Woman, so he could very well hit harder than Wally West I, because he had no such training.

Their connection may also play a role in it. So if we were to take two Speedsters who were equal in height, weight, and fighting ability, but Speedster A has a stronger connection to the Speed Force than Speedster B, then Speedster A could be stronger.

I could very well be wrong about all of this. Or eight about it. Take it with a grain of salt.

I don’t think a person with combat training inherently strikes harder than someone who doesn’t. Granted, I’ve only read every Flash comic from 1987-2006, which is a lot but doesn’t cover all of Flash history. But it does introduce the concept of the Speed Force and build the foundation for the capabilities it affords. When an adult Wally and Barry have been put side by side in NE due to timey-wimey circumstances, neither had much of an advantage over the other. I haven’t seen Barry lift anything especially high in any comic, but if he did, I reckon it was just a matter of him absorbing the kinetic energy that gravity had been placing on the object. That has the illusion of superhuman strength, although it is not superhuman strength.

As someone who has training in boxing (and some, albeit limited training in karate), I have to disagree based on experience. If two people are the same weight, height and strength but one of them is a professional boxer and the other has zero fighting training, the boxer is going to hit harder because the boxer knows where to strike, and how to strike.

It doesn’t mean you yourself are stronger, but your strikes will have more impact due to you knowing and having training.

And just to make sure, I checked the wiki and it appears that Speedsters do have super strength. Though this could vary depending on which form of media/which universe (Prime Earth, Arrowverse, etcetera) but Speedsters do have superhuman strength in Prime Earth.

I bow to your firsthand knowledge on hand-to-hand. No worries there, mate. My PE Flash readings are more limited than NE, so I will concede Barry carrying a statue. I still want to believe it was a feat of kinetic energy absorption that simply gave the illusion of superhuman strength. We editors on the wiki often simply add what we see. On the surface, that would appear to be superhuman strength, for sure. Either way, I’m not too bothered. But I do appreciate the power of kinetic energy manipulation, so I’m keen on believing that’s what was going on, haha. Good day, man.