I started to like Damian with Batman and Robin and his solo series during New 52. He went through a good redemption arc in those issues. My favorite part is when NoBody says "This R doesn't stand for 'Ruin' [...] This R stands for 'Redemption'".

Yeah, pretty much everything @Venom Snake2001 said, I agree with. I hate Damian, his personality is cancer, being extremely hotheaded, entitled, and cocky. Thinking he’s better than everyone around him. His character also never suffers any consequences for his wrongs, and never apologizes for them either, which really hurts relatability to the character. He also is written terribly a lot of the time, and writers often go out of their way to make the other Batfamily members look bad so Damian would look cooler. He was also given an advantage over Batman’s adopted sons by writing him as blood related, which he constantly brags about to make other Batfamily members feel bad, particularly Tim.

Also I know that the animated movies are alternate universes, but he is legit an spoiled, insufferable brat in the animated stuff. This may be extreme to say but he literally has ruined those movies for me, and DC really wants Damian to be in every animated Batman film. The animated shows also show him legit defeating Deathstroke and Nightwing, which just legit is the most disappointing thing I’ve ever seen. Seeing Deathstroke lose to a little kid just made me cringe and cemented the fact that Damian was a male Mary Sue in the animated movies. Also this is brought up a lot, but it’s a valid complaint, that Damian was absolutely god awful in Injustice, the death of Dick Grayson and his lack of remorse, on top of his shit personality, just made me HATE him in that universe.

WOW! @Ladderman

Hate is such a strong feeling to waste on people we dislike. It's even worse to waste it on a fictional character.

I stopped paying attention when I heard the words "Mary Sue"

^^ I agree with it in most situations in real life unless the person being hated is a terrible human being like a racist or sex offender etc.

But with fictional characters it’s a normal reaction to do especially if you dislike a character so much

Guess I’ve never met a person I truly hate, so I wouldn’t know true hatred. But your right, hate might be an overreaction, I just can’t stand the character. This is me before Damian arrives in a comic:

Me after Damian arrives:

Also good for you, @EchoEmpire , literally no one asked.

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Ladderman, literally no one who uses the word "Mary Sue" in an argument wins said argument because it's a ridiculous term that is rarely used correctly. And Damian isn't a Mary Sue in any way, shape, or form, so even though no one asked Echo to tell you your Mary Sue term is unnecessary, it was a true point to make.

You’re right, @Sisu138 . They’re called Gary Stu’s when they’re male. Also I’m not arguing with anyone, I was stating my opinion about why I dislike the character and @EchoEmpire had to be unnecessarily rude about me using the word “Mary Sue”. I also explained how Damian in the animated stuff (not the character in general media just the animated stuff) was a Gary Stu, and how he unrealistically beats Deathstroke and Nightwing, making other characters look bad so the character himself looks better. Which as I read here, is an exactly what a Gary Stu is, “a wish fulfillment character made by the author”. Having some young kid who probably weighs 70 pounds beat a master assassin like Deathstroke in my opinion is considered wish fulfillment and illogically stupid, even from a writing point, and yes, he’s often considered perfect. His flaws are barely written on in the animated stuff and he makes it 10x worse with his narcissistic attitude.

I was basing the Gary Stu argument off of this and it actually seems pretty accurate to what I was saying