You’re right, @Sisu138 . They’re called Gary Stu’s when they’re male. Also I’m not arguing with anyone, I was stating my opinion about why I dislike the character and @EchoEmpire had to be unnecessarily rude about me using the word “Mary Sue”. I also explained how Damian in the animated stuff (not the character in general media just the animated stuff) was a Gary Stu, and how he unrealistically beats Deathstroke and Nightwing, making other characters look bad so the character himself looks better. Which as I read here, is an exactly what a Gary Stu is, “a wish fulfillment character made by the author”. Having some young kid who probably weighs 70 pounds beat a master assassin like Deathstroke in my opinion is considered wish fulfillment and illogically stupid, even from a writing point, and yes, he’s often considered perfect. His flaws are barely written on in the animated stuff and he makes it 10x worse with his narcissistic attitude.

I was basing the Gary Stu argument off of this and it actually seems pretty accurate to what I was saying

Not the point I was proving, buddy. Echo wasn't being unnecessarily rude about your poor usage of an overused term. Damian isn't a "Gary Stu" or "Mary Sue". Don't know what you expect when he's raised by Ninjas and is Batman's son. His whole gig and attitude stems from that origin. Is he bratty sometimes, yes, but he's saved more people than any of us have in our lifetime, so no matter how much of a little shit he is he's still one of the good guys.

I don’t know what you expect, but Deathstroke has been alive longer and was literally trained by the same assassin league. So yes, Damian is still considered a Gary Stu in my opinion.

In my opinion your "Gary Stu" belief is silly, wrong, and is taking you nowhere. Damian being a "Gary Stu" as you so strongly persuade has nothing to do with him being obnoxious either. It really just looks like an excuse for you to nitpick how perfect he seems to be.

So what I'm trying to say about your Gary Stu "Point" is...

Good for you, but no one asked.

Also, that “raised by assassin’s” thing, just sounds like an excuse for him to be a Gary Stu, wtf? He automatically just wins because “he was raised by assassin’s, and you have to expect him to win because of that”. Sounds like a Gary Stu

Literally the post asked, buster.

It's just not worth my time. People have seen my argument regarding Mary Sues in the past. Anyone can see the flaws in the above logic-- e.g. by the same logic, Tim Drake is a Mary Sue. It's obvious he's basing his opinion of Damian off of the DC animated movies and not any substantial reading of the character... which really only supports my findings that much like Superman, people who don't like Damian haven't read his comics. Anyways, it's just not worth my effort and I'm unfollowing the post. Please refrain from tagging me in future replies.

^^Post never asked for you to complain about his perfectness. Consider re-reading the OP.

You’re right, my bad, but everyone stated their opinion of the character, based on the subject, and I’m telling you why I dislike him being a Gary Stu in the animated movies. Echo talking about the topic of Mary Sue was not about the subject at hand, while I was using the term Mary Sue to reference Damian in the animated movies. So if no one truly asked, was Echo’s firm stance against the term Mary Sue, and yours too. I explained why I think it, if you’re still mad that I think Damian in the animated stuff is a Gary Stu, I really couldn’t care less what you think about the term Gary Stu, and I could point you to the nearest store that sells kleenexes if you still want to cry about it. It’s my opinion on Damian, I lined it up with the definition I showed you, I showed why his feats are ridiculous and how he has barely an flaws in the animated stuff. So I’m leaving it at that.