During the Flash War, were Hunter Zolomon, survivor of New Earth make Barry face Wally, Hunter used the conflict to gain a connection to the Strength and Sage force, growing stronger, using a red suit he took the name "True Flash", then he reappeared in Flash Vol. 5 80 trying to snatch a connection to the Still force from Steadfast, he then explained that his original time-manipulation powers came from an amalgamation of the Speed, Still, Strength and Sage force called the Forever Force, so powerful that Hunter was that much of a threat using barely a fraction of its power.