Batman Beyond

Young Justice. I very love that universe and the characters within it. I want a Season 5.

DCAU, with the exception of Batman Beyond and Barbra dating Bruce, the DCAU is the best long term adaptation we’ve gotten in these last 30 years

Wow, first person other than me I’ve seen say that they don't like Batman Beyond.

I’m so not a fan, like what we’re supposed to just assume the hundreds of heroes that failed to be mentioned died or retired?

The creators who made Batman Beyond don’t even like it that much. Bruce Timm said out of everything they made Batman Beyond had the worst writing, while Alan Burnett said it wasn’t a Batman cartoon it was a Spiderman cartoon disguised as a Batman cartoon. Which is spot on given how many people want a Batman Beyond movie in the style of into the Spiderverse. Batman Beyond is a perfect example of the warped and twisted version of Batman that Bill Finger and Bob Kane had issues with, it’s simply not Batman

Do you have any confirmation of Timm saying that he didn't like Batman Beyond?

The best “evidence” I can find is someone on reddit saying he said it was “uneven”.

That's it? "Uneven"? That's just a criticism. It's not an outright condemnation.

Now, I can understand why people would call Batman Beyond a Spider-Man ripoff because Spider-Man is the prime example of a teenage superhero (I myself have referred to Smallville as a Spider-Man show with a Superman veneer), but that doesn't diminish its value as a piece of entertainment.

Stories and characters are created when creators take elements from previous stories and mix them up to form something new, lest we forget Superman was inspired by the stories of Hercules, Moses and Samson.

@Leader Vladimir I’d have to look up the exact quote because it’s two different interviews one with Alan and one with Bruce and the quotes are a bit long, but what Bruce said was that season 2 and 3 of Batman Beyond had the worst writing of any of the shows that they did and that it wasn’t up to their normal standards. If he had to do it over again he would completely scrap the second and third season and start from scratch. I.E he doesn’t like 2/3rds of Batman Beyond

Meanwhile in a different interview Alan Burnett confirmed that they literally took inspiration from and in some cases straight up copied stuff from Spiderman. Going on to say that members of the team were starting to get burnt out at that point and leaving, which resulted in them not really paying attention to where they were going or what they were making, they were just trying to keep things moving forward

Thus Alan saying Batman Beyond is a Spiderman Cartoon not a Batman Cartoon and Bruce saying season 2 and 3 of Batman Beyond have the worst writing in the DCAU and that he would completely scrap them and start from scratch if he had to do it all over again

Alan left the team after season 2 or 3 of Batman Beyond because he too was burned out on DC, but the takeaway I got from both interviews was that Alan wasn’t all that invested in Batman Beyond once they started production and that he views the Batman Beyond concept as inherently flawed from the start because they borrowed too much from Spiderman and non Batman sources. If you asked Alan he’d probably tell you Batman Beyond needs to be completely overhauled from the ground up using Batman as the main inspiration instead of Spiderman. Meanwhile Bruce Timm believes the Batman Beyond concept they came up with is a solid one, and that only the second and third seasons would need to be completely redone from scratch

No word on what Paul thinks about any of this, but given what I know about him and his work on the DCAU I have my suspicions

Timm and Burnett are entitled to their feelings, but we can't use their words to condemn Batman Beyond because that would be unfair to the people who genuinely liked it, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like Batman Beyond that much.

By that logic, I should dimiss the marriage of Clark Kent and Lois Lane because Jerry Siegel didn't that want Superman to reveal his secret identity to Lois.