Do you think there's any Wonder Woman story where she's daughter of Zeus that is objectively good? I think 2017 movie qualifies but can't think of anything else.
Do you think there's any Wonder Woman story where she's daughter of Zeus that is objectively good? I think 2017 movie qualifies but can't think of anything else.
@Leader Vladimir Yeah, but many dislike that version of her origin and claim it has no good stories so I want to know more objective opinions about that
Opinions, by their very nature, are subjective and there is no objectively correct way to measure a story's worth. If you like something, it's fine. If you don't like it, that's fine, too.
I don't think we will ever get that
The objectivity of what is good art and weather objectively good art exists or not is a major debate in philosophy.
I don't think quality of art is or can be objective, but I enjoyed that initial Azzarello run. I also understand why Wonder Woman fans would react to some parts of it with anger! What Azzarello did to the Amazons is comparable to making Jor-El tell Kal to rule Earth without mercy! But I always liked Azzarello's take on Diana, her friends, and on the Olympians a lot, and Zeus being her birth-father is a big part of the story.
For whatever it's worth, Azzarello did make that part of WW's origin important to the story he was telling. He didn't change the origin just because he felt like it.
There was a of of praise for Azzarello's portrayal, but a LOT of hate as well.
The hate wasn't purely about the parentage, though: it's about DC's direction for the character in general. Wonder Woman is a woman from an island of women who was given life by goddesses.
And now? Men introduced in her origin everywhere. Suddenly she's not a special creation but just another demigoddess, written like a Hercules with tits. Violent and grim, even worse when she became war. She gets many half brothers and an even more powerful boyfriend. The Amazons, who had a rich history as survivors of sexual violence, suddenly become rapists.
Even if there were "good storylines" or "nice art", they completely threw out every part of her character. But nobody reads Wonder Woman and swords are kewl so DC ran with it.
As much as I hate the continuity issues it causes, I'm glad they're finally fully ditching the daughter of Zeus angle even though a lot of damage has already been done.
Making Zia’s her father fundamental misses the point of Wonder Woman’s original origin in that she is created by two women. The whole point of Wonder Woman was about why Bisexuality and Woman are good things. And the original origin is clear (well as clear gas it could be in the 40’s) that Wonder Woman does have two mothers.
As Tupka says they introduce so many men in to her backstory when before hand it’s had been mostly women now it was mostly men.
The fact she is made from clay is also clearly to link her to Pandora (and thus be extension Eve) and to point out that you can’t blame women for all the worlds problems. (Someone else could probably write that a bit better). Beyond this point the fact that they actually had Pandora running around or the the New 52 as part of the Trinity of Sin, means that they could have done some really interesting thematic analysis between them but no as soon as they introduce Pandora they ditch Wonder Woman’s backstory.
Zeus being her father I feel is at best a complete failure to understand the purpose of her origin.
"The whole point of Wonder Woman was about why Bisexuality and Woman are good things. And the original origin is clear (well as clear gas it could be in the 40’s) that Wonder Woman does have two mothers."
William Moulton Marston was weird for his time and ours but that is simply incorrect.
@Tupka217 I understand that but I'm curious if any story that came out of it was objectively good, because I find it hard to believe there's none. Also I guess in a way you're right she's just another demi god but she's still special among other amazons.
What do you think?