Alternatively, “DC Comics” gives two story lines: in one, Bruce's parents die, and in the other, Bruce himself dies. What if those two story lines merged, and all lived?
If you didn't know already, Batman is thought throughout the Internet to defeat any threat with enough prep time. But it's a bit general statement. What about the DETAILS?
So, in this post we're gonna focus on what Bruce Wayne should do as a preparation to fight and defeat certain DC characters.
Today's character is:
How would Batman prepare for him? And who should be next?
Barbara tells a story of her, Jason and Bruce working together against Mad Hatter. So that means she was still Batgirl when Dick left Gotham because she says Bruce recruited Jason a week after he left. Does that mean when Barbara was crippled by the Joker, Dick didn't go to see her? If he did then he would have found out about Jason right? But he met Jason in season 1 and not before it
It could be that in the story Barbara was Oracle. So does that mean she didn't leave Bruce after she was crippled? The way she disapproves of Bruce taking in assistants and hurting them makes me think she would have started hating being there with him after she was crippled.
Which one do you think is true?
As I understand, every Dark Knight from the dark multiverse incarnates a specific fear and regret of Bruce Wayne of Prime Earth, as some Knights of the Dark Multiverse have living through some events previous to the Rebirth, we should assume that some events are born from the fears of Bruce Wayne of New Earth.
Here's a list of every Dark Knight I founded and wich fear it represents, some of this fears are available in the character's article, the ones that are not are based in my own opinion. Some elements from the list are going to be seen a little forced because of the little known about his backstories, but well, I tried my best. The last ones of the list are not actually members of the Dark Knights but I still counted them, as they also represents some of Bruce's fear.
The Batman Who Laughs: Bruce's fear of being just as bad as the Joker, how much affected him his long war against him, and his regret that he can't stop the Joker without killing him.
The Devastator: Bruce's fear of losing hope, how important his friendship with Superman is, and both the fear and regret that he cannot fully trust the Man of Steel.
The Drowned: Bruce's fear of going too far in the fight against superhumans, his love for Catwoman, and his inability to trust anyone but himself.
The Dawnbreaker: Bruce's fear of how dangerous he would be with superpowers, but lacking his adult discipline, his inner despair taken to its extreme, and his regret over his inability to move past his parent's deaths.
The Red Death: Bruce's fear of losing members of the Bat family, his love for them and regret for those he failed, and the fear of old age slowing him down.
The Merciless: Bruce's fear of what he would become if he started killing, how Wonder Woman helps him see the good in others, and his regret that he can't end his crusade since his villains keep coming back.
The Murder Machine: Bruce's fear of not being as self-sufficient as he thinks when it comes about: His technological dependence to fight his biggest foes; His father-son relationship with Alfred and how much of himself can be affect by the possible loss of this; And the regret of cutting off other people.
The Grim Knight: Bruce's fear of using gunfire.
Ark: Bruce's fear and regret that he might not be better than the people he leaves in Arkham, consider his crusade against crime is pretty much an obsession and a problem.
B-Rex: Bruce's fear of never being strong enough to stop the criminals for real and regret that the only permanent solution he can think of is killing them.
Bathomet: Bruce's fear of end up causing an terrible menace because of his arrogance.
Batmage: Bruce's fear of becoming too far by learning magic and regret that he didn't get a proper training to face big magical threats.
Batman who frags: Bruce's fear of never being resistant enough and of what he woudl be by being unstable and rebelious.
Batmanhunter: Bruce's fear of being too focused on his war and regret of dragging other people into the conflict.
Batmazo: Bruce's fear of not being able to adapt and deal with every possible menace.
Black Monday: Bruce's fear of being ignorant, impulsive and insensitive.
Chiroptor: Bruce's fear of being a "toxin" and "pollute" the people.
Darkfather: Bruce's fear of being evil and regret that he can't drive people into the light.
Kull: Bruce's fear that his love for Diana might have been a mistake.
The Pearl: Bruce's fear after reading Thomas Wayne letter from Flashpoint that were his parents the ones left with the mantle of vigilante, as being Batman is something he wouldn't desire for anyone.
Quietus: Bruce's fear when recruited Duke Thomas of having him suffer the same cruel fate as Jason Todd.
Warbat: Bruce's fear and regret that his obsession of fighting crime might become a serious problem in his life in times of peace.
Doctor Arkham: Bruce's fear and regret that he might be patronizing the madness by leaving people in Arkham's sanity-breaking hands.
Baby Batman: Bruce's fear of his aces-in-the-hole and his willingness to keep fighting crime end up as simple child's play (His tricks and gear proving useless).
Batmobeast: Bruce's fear of his reliance on excessively armed vehicles and regret that his obssesive crusade turned him into a vigilante.
Batom: Bruce's fear that his cautioness might stop him from being effective.
Batrocitus: Bruce's fear of having his inner rage and hate to turn him unstable and uncontrollable.
Beyonder: Bruce's fear that having a successor in his legacy, as he doesn't want anyone else to be "Batman".
Castle Bat: Bruce's fear of never being able to leave Gotham and regret that he can't change the city his parents loved for good.
Collector: Bruce's fear and regret that the cautioness and the need of knowledge of every possible problem might be bad for the others.
Mindhunter: Bruce's fear of being too paranoid about people's secret and regret that he can't fully trust in aliens, such as Kryptonians, Czarnians, Martians and Tamaraneans, over his dangerous powers.
Night Glider: Bruce's fear that his inhability to fly by himself might be hinder in his vigilantism.
Robin King: Bruce's fear that he was always broken deep inside, and that the death of his parents was ultimately just an excuse for the darkness and violence that was always inside of him.
The Broken: Bruce's fear of failing at taking back the Batman mantle.
Saint Batman: Bruce's regret of choosing Azrael as his sucessor and fear that Azrael's way of being Batman might have been the best for Gotham.
Batman the silenced: Bruce's fear of descenting to madness due to his parents' death.
Note: The following article is not a canon statement, is just an observation over some elements in the DC continuity.
There are seven dominant forces in the DC universe, and there are Seven main heroes in the JL after the Rebirth, and each one of them is linked to one of the seven forces.
(Note: When I say "linked" I mean "related", not "connected", some cases count as "connected" though).
Flash: As it was showed before the introduction of the seven forces, the Flash is linked to the Speed Force, the dimensional force that sets the universe in motion.
Green Lantern: As it was also showed before the introduction of the seven forces, Green Lanterns' power comes from the Emotional Electromagnetic Spectrum, the manifestation of the emotions of the beings in the universe, being the Will the central emotion.
Aquaman: The Life Force, the force that allows the life to flourish and flow through the world, brought to us in the form of water, the element that gave birth to the living beings in the planet and that connect us all.
Wonder Woman: The Sphere of the Gods is the energy that bends the rules of nature to the will of the user, the fount of all the magic and divine power, wielded by gods, new gods, angels, demons, sorcerers and, in this case, the demigods.
Cyborg: As a half machine, Cyborg is the embodimient of knowledge in the Justice League, Batman might be the smartest member, yet the one filled with knowledge instead of intelligence, as such, Cyborg would be the one linked to the Collective Unconscious.
Now, there are only two forces left, The Dimensional Superstructure, the force that states the laws of the universe, and the Faithfulness, the force inside us all that gives us hope and awaken the hero inside us. There are only two heroes left in the list, the World's Finest (Batman and Superman), the thing is that I don't know wich one to link with each one...
In one side, Superman is the most powerful hero of the earth and someone that has control over the imaginable, able to fly, super-strength, heat vision and all and Batman, as the primal member of the JL without super powers is the one that has the faith and hope, becoming a hero despite everything else.
But for the other side, Batman, as the one without power and fully human (almost) could be the one linked to the Dimensional Superstructure as he is the one that it's what the universe stated to be, the one who follows the rules of the universe, such as humans bleed, humans don't fly and all that meanwhile, Superman, the original hero is the embodiment of the Faithfulness, being the principal sign of hope in the earth.
What do you guys think?
Hi. I've read Snyder's Batman Vols 1-7, and King's Batman Vols 1 & 2.
I noticed the events of Snyder's Batman ( Owls, Joker, Zero Year, Joker again, Bloom ) were referenced in Tom King's Batman. Isn't Rebirth essentially the pre-new52 continuity, and isn't New 52 a completely different earth? If Zero Year, a story about Bruce's first days back in Gotham, is canon to Rebirth, does it mean they yet again retconned Batman's origin story? Is Year One no longer canon?
I'm probably wrong about the Rebirth universe being the same as the pre52 one, can anyone please explain this?
Yes I know, but I respect the characters and comics, I am a huge marvel comic fan, for DC I have read batman court of owls vol 1, and a couple of others along the line, I remember reading a comic where batman saw all these dead people in the future, I believe penguin was in there and someone else, would anyone know which comic that was?
I really like Batman
I thought about making this after seeing Batman Begins a couple weeks ago, but I delayed it for whatever reason and am now deciding to talk about it today. Basically, I wanted to compare / chat about three instances of Batman's "No Killing Rule" and how it's affected Ra's Al Ghul the most.
The three instances are:
-Batman Begins (2003)
-Batman: Arkham Knight - Season of Infamy: Shadow War (2016)
So a fair Spoiler Warning for all three of those, in the chance you haven't experienced them for yourself. I will be talking about these instances in the order I just listed them though, so if you have seen 2 of them but haven't seen the other, you can read about the two you have seen and skip the one you haven't. Just a little suggestion.
In the final act of Batman Begins, Bruce's trainer and mentor Henri Ducard is revealed to be the true Ra's Al Ghul, the twisted leader of the League Of Shadows. He was using Jonathan Crane AKA The Scarecrow as a puppet as part of his big plan to purge Gotham into a city of fear until it rips itself apart. Batman must board the Gotham Rail Train with Ra's Al Ghul to slow it down while Jim Gordon destroys the railroad tracks to ensure the train never meets its destination. When this is done, and Ra;s is beaten, he demands that Batman kills him, knowing about Bruce's refusal to execute a man back in his training in the Mountains. Bruce says "I won't kill you. But I don't have to save you either." Bruce glides out of the train and watches as it falls off the tracks and crashes into the ground below.
I've seen many many many refer to this as Batman technically killing Ra's Al Ghul. Others think that choosing not to save someone as evil as Ra's is not the same as killing them. We see that Batman has decided to correct this "mistake" that he realizes he made by letting Ra's die in The Dark Knight, when as Joker is falling to his death, Batman uses his grapple to catch him and pull him back up to be arrested rather than killed. This shows strong development in Batman's character in The Dark Knight Trilogy in my opinion. But back to Begins. What is your opinion on this matter? Do you think Batman deciding to let a man like Ra's die is the same as killing a human being? What did you think of this scene as a whole? Did anyone else notice that Ra's did not look horrified, or scared, or angry as he was speeding to his death, but rather, he looked rather accepting of the fact?
Arkham Knight: Shadow War
In the DLC Side Mission known as Shadow War, Alfred alerts us, playing as Batman, that the League may have been seen in Gotham for the first time since the deadly events of Arkham City. He even cites the witness's words, telling us that "Crazy Ass Ninjas" have been spotted on the rooftops of Miagani Island. We see the remains of a deadly fight between three League members: Two dead, one escaped. As we track the third ninja back to Elliot Memorial Hospital and make our way through the parkour park of a demolished medical center, we find a group of The League Of Shadows surrounding a throne hooked up to wiring and medical supplies. The body in the throne: Ra's Al Ghul, clinging to life after his "death" in Arkham City. The League demands our help to revive Ra's, reminding Batman of his rule to not take one's life and to save as many people as possible. Batman decides to go to the location of the possible last remaining Lazarus supply left in Gotham, just to investigate it. His heist is interrupted by another group of The League of Assassins: The Rebels. The leader is Nyssa Al Ghul, sister to Talia and daughter of Ra's. She wants Ra's to die, and asks Batman to not save his life. She promises that when he dies, she'll take over the League, and they will leave Gotham forever and never return, taking their war elsewhere. When we return to the hospital and contemplate our decision, Alfred calls and asks "Is preventing some ungodly resurrection truly the same as taking one's life?" He says he will stand by us whatever we choose, but he would prefer Ra's's death.
When you get back to the hospital, you can choose either to save Ra's or to destroy the cure and machine to let him die. If you let him die, the Loyalists attack you. And then Nyssa arrives and tries to kill Ra's, to which Batman reminds her he is already dying. We take Ra's back to the GCPD, where he lies with mere days remaining of his life. He says he is proud of you for letting him die. Nyssa holds her word and takes the league away from Gotham. If you give him the cure, the Rebels attack you. Nyssa arrives just as Ra's rises again, and Ra's cuts her open with a sword. He escapes, and as she dies, Nyssa tells Bruce that Talia loved him because of his stubbornness when it comes to whether or not someone should die. The League is left in shambles, and war is averted because of which.
Which option did you choose the first time you played through this mission? Is Alfred right when insisting that preventing Ra's's resurrection is very different from killing him? Which option do you think is the best choice to make?
This one is very messy, so I'll try and cut it down as best I can. Basically, Ra's has been alive for a very long time and wants to die now, and for some prophetic reason he wants Bruce Wayne to do it so Bruce can later become the protector of Gotham one day. Ra's goads Bruce into doing it, which sends Bruce down a dark spiral of douchebaggery, and once he snaps out of it, later on Ra's is resurrected, Barbara Kean got his powers and he took them back and now she hates him for it and wants him dead, she realizes only Bruce is able to kill him with the special blade he killed him with the first time, so she makes Bruce hold the blade as she kills him directly with Bruce more or so being a pawn in the part of it.
There isn't really any big questions I can ask about this one, I just included it here to build up to the big point...
...and that is that somehow Ra's Al Ghul is the man that suffers the most under Batman's rare breaking of his "No Taking Lives and Save Whoever Possible" rule. The most evil part about it is that Ra's wants this title though, he wants to die by Batman's hand, probably even more than Joker wants to get killed by Batman to make Batman insane. Because Ra's wants someone to be like him one day, and he looks to someone already on a not-so-light path and tries making him go on an even darker one, make the decisions Ra's makes, so that one day Bruce can see the world as he sees it. In my opinion this is a very powerful arc for the character to have, other than being known as just that one dude with a Ninja Clan who can heal himself by taking a green bath.
My favorite instance of the three listed is without a doubt Shadow War, because it shows you both endings of what happens when you want Ra's to live and when you don't want him to be resurrected. Nyssa dies if you resurrect him, and Ra's dies if you don't, but he is proud of Batman for choosing to "kill him" in a sense. Alfred's line about killing someone possibly not being the same as choosing to let them die is a powerful one (Even if not as powerful as Crazy Ass Ninjas).
My least favorite is Gotham. I really liked the show, but Ra's was one of my least favorite characters. It's like at times they didn't know what to do with him. The fact he died twice is also annoying since we already have two other big characters who did that in the show (Jerome Valeska and Theo Galavan). His prophecy is a fucking joke, by the way. They overused the idea of Bruce becoming Batman one day to be a prophecy and a destiny. It got really annoying and cringe sometimes to the point I thought it magically turned into a CW Show.
What are your thoughts on everything I talked about? I know it's long and it's a bit of a mess in certain areas, but if you made it this far, high five✋. This was more so me dumping some areas of my brain's thoughts into this topic, because it's something that's interested me for a while now regarding both the characters of Ra's and Batman. Make sure to answer the questions I asked in the three main paragraphs in the little reply part of this post. I would love to see more thoughts, opinions, and theories form from this post. I also wanted to kinda announce I plan on doing a "Week Of Batman" sometime soon this summer. That will include a bunch of posts ranking all things Batman, from Theme Songs to Suits to Crazy Ass Ninjas. Bye Bye for now, I suppose.
I remember seeing and hearing that Bruce never drinks at parties, instead using Ginger Ale to fool people into thinking he is.
But how does he do that? Even if he is hosting the party (which is not every time but we'll assume best case scenario here) there has to be real champagne served to the guests as otherwise they would obviously know. He can't tell the servants either, because then they would know about it and probably spread gossip and rumours all over Gotham, unless it was Alfred, but even Alfred has his limits. Even if Alfred was serving him every time at home parties, he would have to ensure that Bruce and only Bruce would get the Ginger Ale every time. And when Bruce is at another rich guy's house partying, Alfred can't be used. So what does Bruce do? Smuggle a bottle of ale into the party and somehow do the switcheroo?
There's a knock at the door and Jim opens the door instead of Barbara and the Joker shoots Jim instead of Barbara
Joker: I was kinda hoping your daughter would open the door but this will do.
What if Joker shot Jim instead of Barbara. What would happen. Would Batman have finally killed the Joker?
Remember there is always madness.