Justice Society

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On Prime Earth there's about a 10-15 year timeline since Superman's debut. I'll just say 13 as mentioned in Justice Society of America (2022) and it works well enough imo

Superman: 35

Batman: 35

Wonder Woman: 160+? (physically mid 20s)

Barry Allen: 35

Hal Jordan: 35

Aquaman: 31-35

Martian Manhunter: around 1,000

Green Arrow: mid 30s

Black Canary: around 30

Hawkgirl: 22

Stargirl: 18

Starfire: 25

Raven: 24

Beast Boy: 22

Cyborg: 24-25

Donna Troy: 25

Arsenal: 25-26

Wally West: 24-26

Nightwing: 25

Lois Lane: 34-35

Perry White: 50s

Jimmy Olsen: late 20s?

Hawkman (current body): late 20s??

John Henry Irons: mid 30s

Alfred Pennyworth: was 57

Lex Luthor: 38

Red Hood: 21

Superboy: 18

Stephanie Brown: 18

Jon Kent: 18

Tim Drake: 18

Impulse: 17-18

Supergirl: 21-22

Cassandra Cain: 21

Batwoman: around 30

Joker: mid 30s?

Harley Quinn: 27

Jay Garrick: 107 (physically 45)

Jesse Quick: mid 20s

Reverse-Flash: 35

Captain Cold: around 40

Zoom: 29

Poison Ivy: mid 30s

Linda Park-West: 24-29

Dreamer: 22

Rick Flag: mid 30s

Alan Scott: 113 (physically mid-late 40s)

Catwoman: around 30

Iris West: 35

Carol Ferris: 33-35

Guy Gardner: mid 30s

Two-Face: 35

Riddler: 35

Cheetah: early 30s

John Stewart: 29

Kimiyo Hoshi: around 30

Bane: mid 30s

Steve Trevor: mid 30

Kyle Rayner: mid 20s

Cassie Sandsmark: 18

Jade: 22

Obsidian: 22

Yara Flor: 21

Simon Baz: 22

Jessica Cruz: 22

Talia al Ghul: 32

Sinestro: decades older (physically 50-ish)

Ocean Master: 28-32

Soranik Natu: unknown (physically mid 20s)

Ra's al Ghul: 600-ish (physically 40s)

Melinda Lin-Grayson: around 30

Jo Mullein: early 30s

Penguin: 48

Mera: early 30s

Damian Wayne: 14

Black Manta: mid 30s

Ma & Pa Kent: 60-ish

Tempest: 25

Jackson Hyde: 18

Connor Hawke: late 10s

Speedy: 18

Red Arrow: 15

Kid Flash: 17

Billy Batson: 16

Amanda Waller: mid 40s

Mary Marvel: 18

Black Adam: 3,000+

Khalid Nassour: 23

Ted Kord: mid-late 20s

Booster Gold: around 26

Jaime Reyes: 18

Mister Terrific: early 30s

Hawkwoman: early 20s

Plastic Man: around 100 (physically 30s)

Zatanna: 33

John Constantine: 40

Hawk: 24-25

Dove: 22

Lady Shiva: 40

Ted Grant: 110-130 (physically late 40s)

Jakeem Thunder: 17-18

Rick Tyler: 24

Power Girl: 24-25

Ray Palmer: mid 30s

Elongated Man: mid 30s

Animal Man: mid 30s

Animal Girl: 13

Irey & Jai West: 13

Terra: 22

Deathstroke: 57

Rose Wilson: 18

Blackfire: 26

Vixen: 24

Black Lightning: early 40s

Katana: around 30

Fire: late 20s

Ice: late 20s

Orion: ancient (physically 30)

Sand: 99 (physically 25)

Pieter Cross: early 30s

Mister Miracle: ancient (physically 30)

Jim Gordon: 50s

Atom Smasher: 22

Big Barda: ancient (physically 30)

Starman (Jack): 27-30

Bumblebee: 25-26

Lobo: mid 30s-40?

Cheshire: mid-late 20s

Lian Harper: 13

Captain Atom: 34

Adam Strange: early-mid 30s

Rita Farr: 71 (physically 30)

Barbara Gordon: around 25

Question (vic): 35

Metamorpho: mid 30s

Renee Montoya: 35-36

Ryan Choi: 20

Huntress: 25-26

Punchline: early 20s

Lucius Fox: 50s

Deadshot: mid 30s

Mercy Graves: late 20s

Lady Blackhawk: late 20s

I've read Gail Simone's Birds of Prey, Mike Grell's Green Arrow, Geoff Johns' JSA, Kevin Smith's Green Arrow, Judd Winnick's Green Arrow. And Specifically Dinah Laurel Lance.

Preferably older stories (New Earth)

*Remember to be kind and civilized about this*

Why are New Earth & Prime Earth characters separated as different continuities when storylines, writers, and the big names at DC comics have all said that "everything is canon. And modern storylines where the editor's note calls back to pre-Flashpoint stories as if you are supposed to know that New Earth and Prime Earth are the same continuity. Even when it has been mentioned in recent years that Barry Allen (Prime Earth) was the first person to travel between Earth-One and Earth-Two, where even Earth-One would be considered canon to New Earth and Prime Earth. There has ONLY been support backing-up Earth-One, New Earth, and Prime Earth as one continuity. So, I'm basically saying: why can't anyone edit and weave in the continuities as one like it has been mentioned to be several times. Even with characters who reference the pre and post-flashpoint, act as if there was an amnesiac state or ignore it and reference all the pre-flashpoint stories all the time. (yes, I know it would take forever to do, and I apologize if it seems like I'm saying it's easy to do. It's not. And I would happily help with doing so..). And also, I'm pretty sure Geoff Johns' statement with Wally West back in Rebirth has been disregarded/retconned years ago. But, if you cannot do this, can we be given a thorough answer to this in the comments, please. Also, please be respectful and civilized about this. Thank You.

Zero Hour is brought up during Joshua Williamson's Green Arrow 2023

Lian Harper comes back from the dead also in Joshua Williamson's Green Arrow 2023

Wally references the fact that he and Wolfe knew eachother from Geoff Johns' run in 2000 iinto Jeremy Adams' run in 2022.

Characters such as the Robins and others have their pre-flashpoint designs in fix.

Huntress remembers the events of No Man's Land in 1999 during Detective Comics #1050 in 2021.

The History of the DC Universe releases in coming months, and I believe bringing Earth-One, New Earth & Prime Earth continuities merge as one Prime Earth continuity, the way the head editors/writers intend for their readers to remember that "everything matters".

What I've read: Wonder Woman by Brian Azzarrello, Hiketeia, George Perez run.

Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow. Catwoman by Ed Brubaker.

Birds of Prey by Gail Simone, JSA, Green Arrow by Mike Grell

Page from JSA #48

And yes, I do count the sub-teams (seven soldiers of victory, Infinity inc. and the All star squadron).

My favourite members are: Sandman I (Wesley Dodds), Sandman II (Sanderson Hawkins), Dr Mid-night I (Charles McNider), Hourman I (Rex Tyler) and the Jack Knight version of Starman.

Justice Society of America

https://www.comicbookrevolution.com/december-2023-single-issue-comic-book-sales-rankings/

I recommend this feature at Comic Book Revolution - quantitative analysis of actual retailer orders. There’s a ton of material for discussion here - top sellers, events, franchises, minority leads, female leads, and more - but I want to start with what they call “dead titles walking” - the books that fail to make the top 100, and are selling fewer than 18,000 copies per month. Top line conclusions:

DC had 27 out of their 61 December 2023 titles, or 44%, in this group.

In November ’23, the figure was 32/56, or 57%.

In December ’22, it was 26/53, or 49%.

In December’21, it was 23/43, or 54%.

In other words, around half of DC’s new books last month are in cancellation territory, and that’s an improvement. The list includes a major event (Beast World), female leads (Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Hawkgirl, Power Girl), Blue Beetle, John Stewart, two JSA minis, and Outsiders, tanking after two issues with ten to go.

Granted, almost ⅔ of these titles are one-shots or minis, but even those are Dawn of DC launches or events. Take those out, and you still have eleven ongoing books (including Outsiders) selling in cancellation territory:

111 Catwoman #60

137 Green Lantern War Journal #4

142 Outsiders #2 (Of 12)

148 Power Girl #4

150 Harley Quinn #35

159 Penguin #5

163 Blue Beetle #4

177 Batman the Brave and the Bold #8

Speed Force #2

Cyborg #6

Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? #125

Personally, I’m reading only one of these books (and two minis), and it’s out of character loyalty - GL War Journal, Jay Garrick, and Alan Scott are indeed terrible. But the list also includes Bat- and Titans-adjacent titles, and stuff that was supposed to be an exciting new start.

What is DC thinking, that half their line is not finding an audience? Theories welcome.

Are you guys enjoying this new wave of DC animations, more specifically the Tomorrow verse?

Do you think the quality is better or worse than the New 52?