All posts by Jjcczz

@Leader Vladimir I don’t know where you got that idea because Jerry and Joel literally wrote the K-Metal from Krypton in 1940 where Lois figures out Clark’s secret Identity and was then supposed to gain powers and become his partner in the next issue. DC were the ones who didn’t like the idea and refused to publish the issue. Jerry and Joel wanted Lois to figure it out on her own over time because she’s an investigative reporter known for uncovering secrets, so Clark telling her would be an insult to her skills and intelligence

Batman Beyond is not the same because its creators don’t really like it, and it’s the type of warped twisted Batman that Bill and Bob had issues with. So it’s absolutely fair to disregard it as a Batman story, people are still free to like it, but that doesn’t change that what they like isn’t Batman, it’s Spiderman disguised as Batman

@Leader Vladimir I’d have to look up the exact quote because it’s two different interviews one with Alan and one with Bruce and the quotes are a bit long, but what Bruce said was that season 2 and 3 of Batman Beyond had the worst writing of any of the shows that they did and that it wasn’t up to their normal standards. If he had to do it over again he would completely scrap the second and third season and start from scratch. I.E he doesn’t like 2/3rds of Batman Beyond

Meanwhile in a different interview Alan Burnett confirmed that they literally took inspiration from and in some cases straight up copied stuff from Spiderman. Going on to say that members of the team were starting to get burnt out at that point and leaving, which resulted in them not really paying attention to where they were going or what they were making, they were just trying to keep things moving forward

Thus Alan saying Batman Beyond is a Spiderman Cartoon not a Batman Cartoon and Bruce saying season 2 and 3 of Batman Beyond have the worst writing in the DCAU and that he would completely scrap them and start from scratch if he had to do it all over again

Alan left the team after season 2 or 3 of Batman Beyond because he too was burned out on DC, but the takeaway I got from both interviews was that Alan wasn’t all that invested in Batman Beyond once they started production and that he views the Batman Beyond concept as inherently flawed from the start because they borrowed too much from Spiderman and non Batman sources. If you asked Alan he’d probably tell you Batman Beyond needs to be completely overhauled from the ground up using Batman as the main inspiration instead of Spiderman. Meanwhile Bruce Timm believes the Batman Beyond concept they came up with is a solid one, and that only the second and third seasons would need to be completely redone from scratch

No word on what Paul thinks about any of this, but given what I know about him and his work on the DCAU I have my suspicions

The creators who made Batman Beyond don’t even like it that much. Bruce Timm said out of everything they made Batman Beyond had the worst writing, while Alan Burnett said it wasn’t a Batman cartoon it was a Spiderman cartoon disguised as a Batman cartoon. Which is spot on given how many people want a Batman Beyond movie in the style of into the Spiderverse. Batman Beyond is a perfect example of the warped and twisted version of Batman that Bill Finger and Bob Kane had issues with, it’s simply not Batman

DCAU, with the exception of Batman Beyond and Barbra dating Bruce, the DCAU is the best long term adaptation we’ve gotten in these last 30 years

I have to give it to Max because he was literally the first Speedster to get pulled into the Speed Force and research it. He then took that knowledge and spread it around to all the other Speedsters. Plus if I’m not misremembering when Barry got pulled into the Speed Force after Crisis, Max was the one who was already there waiting for Barry to explain to him what the Speed Force was and how it worked

@Bonkidus.Shwonkidus I didn’t say they weren’t different I said they weren’t fleshed out and properly developed. Jason’s backstory was changed in Death in The Family which took place on New Earth. His Earth 1 backstory introduces his parents properly fleshes them out and establishes Jason’s relationship with them before they’re killed. Death in The Family only confirms that his father ran a numbers racket, eventhing else is a might have. He might have worked for Two Face and he might have been killed by Two Face for trying to double cross him, but his father never shows up so we don’t know if he’s dead or alive. His adoptive mother is a drug addict who OD’s and his birth mother betrays him to Joker. It’s a bunch of half baked ideas thrown together to make Jason’s life more fucked up. By comparison Bruce and Dick’s parents are far more fleshed out with solid backgrounds and actual story participation if only briefly

Prime Earth isn’t any better as Jason’s birth mother doesn’t even have a name anymore, now instead of his father possibly being connected to Two Face he’s framed by The Penguin, and they tried to combine the original Earth 1 backstory by having Jason see Dick perform with the Flying Graysons as a kid and be inspired. It’s all just ideas with no substance again

It has nothing to do with fairness it’s a simple fact that Bill Finger and Bob Kane set Dick up to one day take over the mantle of Batman from Bruce. Dick wasn’t going anywhere until different writers wanted to make Robin younger again and created Jason Todd a carbon copy of a young Dick Grayson. The writers even had Dick want to adopt Jason before Bruce stepped in as a nod to Dick being meant to take over as Batman, hinting that Jason could have been Dick’s Robin had they chosen to go that route

What do you mean everything after that, that was literally his Origin until Death in the Family changed Jason’s backstory to be more fucked up, right before an extremely close fan vote resulted in him dying. His Earth 1 origin and backstory is his only real proper one, as the New Earth version isn’t fleshed out or fully developed, and every writer since has either skipped Jason entirely or jumped straight to his time as Red Hood

Bruce was only ever meant to have one Robin and that was Dick. The other Robins only exist because the writers wanted to make Robin a young boy again, but Dick was a full grown adult at the time and still working with Batman as Robin. So they created Jason who was a carbon copy of a young Dick Grayson and had Dick pass on the name to him while taking up a new name Nightwing. This started the Robin trend where Batman always needs to have a young sidekick be Robin. The only Robin Batman ever needed was Dick

@The Flash of Earth X The hell are you talking about, Jason only met Bruce after Dick introduced Jason and his parents to Bruce. Jason and his parents were trapeze performers inspired by The Flying Graysons who befriended Dick when he was an adult. Dick was literally ready to adopt Jason himself before Bruce stepped in with his own plans. Dick’s bond with Jason is also what made Dick decide to pass on the Robin mantle to Jason and take a new name instead

Well that’s a huge relief, now we finally have confirmation he’s not making Damian the first/only Robin. Though considering it’s a Dick and Jason movie I wonder if he’s going to have Dick adopt Jason, as that’s what Dick originally wanted to do when Jason’s parents died. The only reason Dick didn’t was because Bruce had his own plans for Jason

If that’s the case we could be looking at an entirely new twist on Jason’s story that would be a lot of fun

If you’re doing something like Blackest Night sure, but generally speaking it should be kept down to Green Lanterns, Sinestro, and Star Sapphires if you’re doing that storyline. The other Lantern Corps and their representatives should not be a regular thing that’s just out there because it messes too much with the core of the Green Lantern story. The Guardians and the Green Lanterns need to be seen as an effective deterrent that conquering races and other criminals are afraid of. That can’t happen if you have a bunch of other lantern corps because it starts to raise questions about why those who appose the guardians don’t join or have members of other lantern corps in their ranks. Green Lantern needs to be more than just the emotional spectrum

Does Hawkgirl even really count given that she’s a reincarnation??

@Leader Vladimir But that’s the main point of her character. She was created by Paul Dini specifically to give Joker a partner in crime, using his friend Arleen Sorkin’s stage performance as inspiration and asking her to voice the character. Her story is supposed to be that she’s a normal psychiatrist doing a rotation at Arkham who is slowly manipulated by the Joker into setting him free and becoming his partner in crime

She’s another one of his victims and like with any Joker victim the goal is rehabilitation and allowing them to return to a normal life

@DeefMD That plot point was how they originally planned to end the final 4th season of Batman Beyond they were planning. However WB cancelled the show because they wanted to do a Justice League show instead. Thus they ended up putting it in a JLU episode instead. So I very much can call them out on it because the plot comes from the very writing that Bruce Timm was criticising. And when the guy who had Batman sleep with his adopted son’s girlfriend says the waiting’s bad you know it’s bad

If it’s hand to hand I would say Batgirl as that’s her main method of fighting. The others all have hand to hand as their secondary method of fighting. Even Nubia was primarily a swordsman

@Tupka217 I don’t know I liked seeing him actually have the night club and be a proper mob boss rather than a regular villain like Joker or Freeze

The first quote is from Timm the second is from Alan Burnett so 2 of the 3 lead creatives have said it has issues

I understand people like the character of Terry, or rather his personality, but the story and writing just aren’t good. Literally everyone from BTAS ends up worse off and miserable, not to mention the pure insanity of altering Terry’s Dad’s DNA so that he produces Bruce Wayne’s sperm instead of his own. Like WTF even is that

I was never a fan and the fact that the creators of the character and series have said it was “the worst written of the shows we did” and “it was really a spiderman cartoon not a Batman cartoon” only reaffirms my opinion that it was just not a good Batman story

Bruce Timm himself said Batman Beyond was the worst written show in the DCAU so I have to go with that