I was voted to be a mod for being blunt, sarcastic and politically incorrect. The rules didn’t make the board less fun or engaging, the people did. People I had real conversations with moved on and new people became more and more precious until all discussions became bland and repetitive. Becoming a mod made me feel obliged to tone down my persona and be more diplomatic which is a big part of why the board is not as fun for me. Fan art isn’t going to change that overall, but I would like to trial it so once again I will have the opportunity to be blunt, sarcastic and politically incorrect.
By the way, just because you don’t find my reasoning reason enough does not make the guidelines unreasonable. One could argue it makes you unreasonable.
I have explained why the fanfic rule exists. To clarify, it is an extension of self promotion and meaningful discussions guidelines. Those are legitimate guidelines put in place to make the board manageable. The guidelines (besides the obvious obligations) were not put in place overnight. They were put in place out of necessity over time. You are new users. Which we welcome, but many of is have been active here for years and we have experienced the bad times. It is presumptuous of you to assume you know better than guidelines that we have agreed on diplomatically in the past.
In saying that, I am willing to raise the test you propose to @Tupka217 along with my fellow admin who have already commented here. As I said I just ignored the post in question because it was innocuous enough. As much I enjoy playing the tyrant I’m actual one of the looser mods here, I am active everyday but usually ignore everything because I have seen every “new” post done to death and dealing with whiny brats who cry freedom suck the joy out of this board. You’ll probably have a moan about me calling you a “whiny brat” but I wasn’t referring to anyone commenting here. It was a generalisation. You do t know what I’ve dealt with, man. You weren’t there.
Michael J Fox is not off limits. Any fan of Fox would know he is very self deprecating about his condition because he’s an affable guy who doesn’t take life too seriously. You could learn something from him. If you don’t like my jokes in future you’re welcome to be offended in private.
Admin/mods have run exemptions to test the waters. It was the period when there were no kids at all and only two admin were active. It was harder for them to filter out the drivel so mods were nominated and voted in.
You may feel the rules are unfair, but they are in place for a legit reason. You just haven’t had to delete a slew of stickmen Supermans or batmobiles that look like they were drawn by Michael J Fox.
At the end of the day, if we allow fan art people will start complaining about fanfic rules and so on and so forth. You can’t please everyone so we keep the board as tidy as possible for the greater good. Honestly, you’re lucky we allow polls. We are a bit more strict than other fandoms but we are also not the most autocratic. We have found a good balance.
I didn’t touch the colouring in picture because it’s t was technically not fan art, but in some ways it makes it worse because it’s a COLOURING picture! I mean, it’s harmless only in the sense that it’s so trivial. The board is not for want without it.
If fan art or fiction is allow then it can also be criticised and, believe me, it’s much kinder for me to delete it.
We let the guy post it when he started because he was inquiring about the characters in the image. This follow up adds nothing on a conversational level.
First and foremost, the #1 rule of posting is will it promote conversation? While I did not lock it, the guidelines mentioned were passable, but I wholeheartedly agree that it did not promote discussion.
You’re welcome to raise any issues you have with the guidelines but they have been set in place for a reason over a gradual period of time. The make the discussion board less chaotic and frivolous.
The entitlement is strong with this one. I’ll be waiting in the wings.
Then there’s the double standard. You accuse the writers of disregarding personality and being lazy then continue to impose your own personal opinion on the character. What preexisting evidence supports your personality trait that Tim should be labelled pansexual instead of bisexual?
Etrigan needs to be more ambitious.
Those are fair points, but they all boil down to, “it’s too sudden.”
Too sudden for who? Fiction offers us a voyeuristic viewpoint that life doesn’t really provide. Remember that, as the reader, you are intruding on the characters’ lives. What may be too sudden for the reader may be perfect timing for the character. The character’s needs are not your own. Perhaps it is too sudden for Jon as well, and later on he has internal struggles or external conflicts resulting from this. We don’t know what the future holds yet.
If your best friend you had always assumed was straight decided to confide to you that they identify as a different sexuality, think about how you would react? What would you tell them? “Whoa! Sorry this is too sudden. Slow down. Are you ever sure? Are you just doing this for attention; to be ‘cool’. I can’t think of you that way, so I’m going to stop hanging out with you until you take some time to grow up cause it’s probably just a phase, and if it isn’t it’s ruined my perception of you.”
We all have certain visions of how we would prefer things to be, especially in beloved fiction. Fanfiction is rife evidence of how passionate and protective we are over our favourite characters, and while most fanfic is absolute drivel, writing does help expand how you read and watch stories. It especially opens you up to alternate viewpoints when you are obliged to write conflict. Writing makes you a more empathetic and well rounded person because you have to understand not just the protagonists but the antagonists as well.
My point is, it’s easy to be dismissive but it’s rewarding to be thoughtful and inquisitive. Instead of brushing this writer’s work off as rushed or pandering try and find a different viewpoint, particularly Jon’s. One thing I enjoy doing when I’m frustrated by a writer I don’t agree with or there are holes in a story or inconsistencies in a character, I try to imagine how I would continue writing without retconning. If the writing is so bad, how would you improve on it?
Growing up is not an instantaneous thing for anyone, but sexuality is just one small aspect and like anything else everyone is different. Regardless of identity, everyone experiences attraction, love, relationships and sex at their own pace. Some jump right in and others may go their whole lives without exploring one or more of these things.
Every now and then you hear something so simple from someone’s personal experience that helps change your mind frame. I’ve had mini-epiphanies about race, politics, gender and sexuality, one of which was; “straight people don’t have to come out.” It seems obvious, but the more you dwell on it you understand the privilege straight people have in a world that has normalised only one view of sexuality for thousands of years.
^^ Unless your friend can explain why it ruined Superman for him with a rationale that doesn’t involve Jon being bisexual then his “no offence” clause is insincere.
Statistics are manipulatable nonsense anyway, but while strictly gay people will most likely be open about their sexuality there are many bisexual people who choose to hide that aspect of themselves for convenience or to escape unwarranted social ignorance. There are unfortunately stigmas and misconceptions of bisexuality even within the LGBTQ+ community which is sad.
It’s much easier for some bisexual people to just identify as straight and only express it with trusted friends or anonymously. There are always more than you expect. People you wouldn’t expect.
See, these are the kind of responses I miss from the old days. A rare upvote from me. Good to have you here.
Why do people do anything? Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it doesn’t have significance for another. That’s a simple rule that people find difficult to comprehend. We find ways to act negatively towards things we don’t relate to in some misguided subconscious delusion we can shape the world around us to our person ideals of what’s right and wrong. Normal is a relative term.
Constantine was bi pre-2011. Harley and Ivy had an implied relationship if not a confirmed one pre-2011 as well, but I won’t quibble.
Cool list! So less than ten qualifies as “loads,” huh? Seems a little hyperbolic, but good to know.
Now list all the straight characters that have appeared post-2011 for comparison.
Apathy is probably the wrong word when most people generally have strong views on one side or the other. The ones in the middle of the spectrum who aren’t as passionate about this particular inclusiveness have an attitude I hope the world reflects one day, where those outside of “heteronormative” are not reduced to pride vs. perversion but are viewed as normal parts of society. Straight, gay and everything in between and on the fringes is normal. It always has been, only people have never been able to express themselves in the past like they can today. The people who claim a handful of characters representing something different than straight is forced, tokenism or pandering to social justice are really just sheltered and privileged enough to be oblivious to the differences of others. We all have different life experiences and some people find it difficult to relate or empathise with concepts they have haven’t been exposed to or misinformed about. I hope everyone has or meets someone special in their lives who helps them grow as people and see the world from different perspectives.
I seem to be behind then. Who exactly has been “turned gay” recently? And by recently I mean as far back as 2011 when the new continuity started.
I’ll even accept characters like Jon who was not “turned gay” (bi is not gay - or “half gay” unless the individual chooses to identify as such) but assumed straight beforehand.
Liking or disliking something takes no effort and to mention only this is not constructive or engaging. It is the illusion of participation.
We should really add to the guidelines that blunt opinions must be accompanied by some attempt at rationale. Everyone has an opinion, but very few have the ability to articulate why they hold that opinion. If more people were obliged to think about their feelings instead of simply reacting to them, the world (namely the Internet) would be a little less hostile.
^ Bigoted ignorance.
I always maintained that if I had the opportunity to write for DC I would not want to be assigned one of the Trinity titles, however; how great would it be to write an ongoing series where you get to explore Superman’s relationship with his son after his sexual awakening. I think that is where the real heart of the story is. I understand what people are trying to express by saying it feels “forced” even if I don’t agree, but an exploration into Superman’s conservative background vs. his progressive empathy would certainly quench any detractors, especially if they felt Clark shared some of their concerns.
Ja. Der Mawzir ist richtig.
Sometimes safe is best.