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Nice, thanks for the explanation!

It’s a shame they don’t get more spotlight. Coincidentally, I was kinda hoping they’d make an appearance in the latest Young Justice title, but alas, that was a pipe dream.

Did the twins ever appear in comics outside the animated show’s continuity? I was under the impression that they were created for the show.

He doesn’t deserve 1st either, in my opinion. To each his own.

It is a close call between Hal Jordan and John Stewart for me. Both were my introduction into the Green Lanterns, and really into the DC universe as a whole, and both wear the ring with a strength few others have possessed.

If I had the rank the Earth Green Lanterns:

1. Hal Jordan

2. John Stewart

3. Guy Gardner

4. Kyle Rayner

5. Jessica Cruz

6. Alan Scott

7. Simon Baz

YES! YES! YES! WAHOO!!!

Sorry, got a little excited there😅. I’ve been wanting something like this for awhile now, and I am thrilled to see it actually coming true.

Finally, we can move past the Blackest Night of 2011 *shivers*

I’m sorry, I haven’t been closely watching Supergirl. Did this iteration of Superman and Lois have a kid? This article talks about the show tackling the idea of them being working parents.

The CW shows are far from perfect, but I’ve always respected their ambition in going from a single show with Arrow to crafting their own multi-series superhero universe, with this year’s Crisis on Infinite Earth’s crossover seeming to be the culmination.

I’m surprised if this is actually happening. For some reason, I always thought it was kind of forbidden for Superman to have his own live-action TV series after Smallville.

With Arrow ending and The Flash not far behind, I guess it was inevitable to have another show take it’s place.

Then again, the three live action shows on DC Universe are better than what the CW puts out in my opinion, and I would want a character this important to have his show be sponsored directly by Warner Bros.

Oh, I don’t disagree Echo. I like Batman, but the fact that he’s become so centralized to everything DC is doing (at the cost of other heroes who are equally important not getting the attention they deserve) is a little frustrating.

And there are definitely obnoxious fans (and writers) who take the “Bat-God” concept too far at times. In the same sense, not everyone (or even most people) who aren’t fans of the modern “Bat-God” movement are pretentious gatekeepers who think their Batman better than others’ Batman. Not at all.

And nothing about the character is toxic in any way, especially in regards to how this person seems to be aggressively and lazily criticizing him.

I mostly agree with @MektonZ, however I don’t necessarily think that the character of Batman has been tarnished over time.

Yes, Batman’s over-preparedness and endless arsenal of Bat-Gadgets and Bat-Mechs removes the character from his roots as a crime noir vigilante detective. He has become what I think was inevitable the moment he joined the JLA: a superhero.

The modern Batman operates in a universe where he is constantly outmatched by beings with superpowers. He spends a good chuck of his time on a space satellite with aliens and gods and people in colorful costumes fighting giant monsters and intergalactic despots.

This is far different than his earlier Golden Age and Bronze Age adventures as a grittier dark avenger fighting against crime syndicates and thugs with tommy guns.

And maybe I’m speaking out of turn here... but isn’t that the point?

Batman began his career to fight the Joe Chill level criminals and their bosses. Then he starts fighting colorful psychopaths like Joker, Two-Face, and Riddler. Then his villains start having superpowers or science-fictional gadgetry, like Mr. Freeze, Clayface, and Poison Ivy.

The moment Batman stepped into the larger DC Universe with Superman and Wonder Woman, could we really expect him to stay this grounded crime-fighter when he’s staring down Darkseid?

In that, I feel like detractors from modern Batman could argue that the worst thing to have happened to the character was integrate him so completely into the larger DC Universe. Instead, he should’ve remained tied to Gotham with the occasional team-up here and there.

But personally, I enjoy a lot of Batman’s modern Herculean adventures. I think they’re fun and entertaining. I don’t pretend that they are realistic for a second, but they don’t have to be.

And I do think the character has a rich enough history that a single era or depiction cannot be objectively pointed to as better than others.

I certainly don’t have the heart to tell a kid holding a Batman action figure wearing Mech-armor “That’s not how Batman is supposed to be.”

I like the idea that the Trinity and the JSA are the pioneer superheroes of the DC Universe. I also like the idea that their choice to be superheroes is a primary reason why Earth is Ground Zero for so much heroism and chaos.

Everyone else who came after I don’t think matters as much in terms of who came next, unless we are really emphasizing age (gaps).

But what I do think matters is that there is a flood of other superheroes, both noteworthy and forgettable, who need to come after the Trinity and JSA. Age of Heroes, ya know?

Obviously, there are other heroic characters whose origins make them more ancient and active before some of the aforementioned pioneers began their careers, but most of that should done behind the scenes, away from Earth.

I was aware there exists a school of thought that considers COIE the “beginning of the end” in terms of coherent continuity. Not an unfair statement, but also not the full story in my opinion. I personally think that COIE is one of the best comic books ever.

Hahaha😂. I could see how it can be annoying, and it’s pretty far removed from his origins as a vigilante protecting the streets of Gotham from criminals and super-powered psychopaths.

Idk, aside from his more popular comics, I usually only read Batman within a Justice League setting, where he’s dealing with larger than life threats and writers feel the need to “amp him up” in order to contend.

Again, probably not how Batman should be, probably lazy writing, but I’d be lying if I didn’t find that kind of Batman awesome😅.

I have heard it said that Dark Knights: Metal is a good comic book to read for DC fans in general, but Batman fans will dislike it. Which sounds pretty accurate to me.

Dark Knights: Metal unsurprisingly felt very much in line with Scott Snyder’s Batman run, where Batman is more of the Herculean, “I always have a plan” type character that I feel like has been slowly becoming the dominant Batman depiction since The Dark Knight Returns and Tower of Babel.

I think that sort of Batman is pretty awesome, but I’m not hardcore into Batman. I won’t pretend like I understand how the character should be written. But that’s more or less who Batman is to me.

Admittedly, I’m a little behind on Green Arrow. I’ve read Year One, Longbow Hunters, and Quiver (the first dozen of so issues of Kevin Smith’s run).

Oh, and Dennis O’Neil’s Green Arrow/Green Lantern.

I’m reading his Rebirth run right now, which I’m really liking. From there, we’ll see what happens!

Darkseid War was cool to see considering Geoff Johns begins set-up for it in Darkseid’s first invasion during Justice League: Origins.

Dark Knights: Metal introduced the Dark Multiverse, which I think is one of the better recent creative initiatives taken by DC. I prefer the works of Johns or Morisson over Scott Snyder, but Snyder still delivered an entertaining multiversal epic.

I actually just finished Blackest Night, which was long overdue (seemed like a fitting comic to read as Halloween approaches)! Phenomenal story, but I expected nothing less from Geoff Johns. So I haven’t gotten to War of the Green Lanterns yet, but soon!

Yeah, I’ve read COIE, Infinite Crisis, and Final Crisis. Awesome comics, but very complex with a lot of multi-dimensional components shifting around. Also read Darkseid War and Dark Knights: Metal, and Anti-Monitor and the Monitor appear respectively. I still am confused on what exactly crossed over from New Earth into Prime Earth continuity.

I love Sinestro Corps War like it’s my son, but I found that one to be pretty straight forward.

Sorry for the delayed response, but thanks guys, your answers were super-helpful! The Multiverse aspect of DC is always a challenge for me to wrap my brain around.

@EchoEmpire Yeah, aren’t they the best?! I like the contrast I get with them: huge, cosmic space epics with Green Lantern and grounded, more traditional vigilante super-heroics with Green Arrow.