Sometimes I wonder if I'm even human anymore. Sex, love... even the slightest yearning I've repressed and rechanneled into the Almighty Will. How perverse it feels in her presence. Every relationship was a charade, or some reluctant excursion I knew I would never complete. Vicki, Silver, Talia... Selina. She would last the longest because she was safe. She was the enemy. She would always be the enemy. My criterion for a relationship. So many women. All those pretty party girls, their sweet smiles and simple hopes. But once the photo ops were over, so were they. Back in the limo, back to wherever they came from. I'm sure they wondered what went wrong. "Was it something I said? Did I come on too strong? Too clinging?" Never knowing they stood a better chance with Freeze. The day I put this on was the end of me. Gotham would be safe, but there would be no rescue for Bruce Wayne. No love. No family. No real intimacy. No real losing oneself in someone else. Not in this life.
Batman is probably the character with the highest number of romantic relationships in the DC Universe. Unlike Superman and Wonder Woman, characters that have been in publication for as long as Batman, the Dark Knight has never had a long-standing leading partner and instead, he has been constantly switching interests when it comes to romance. This is due to the nature of Batman's character; it is difficult for him to maintain a serious relationship with a woman as a result of his obsession with his crusade against crime. On the other hand, Bruce Wayne, Batman's alter-ego, has managed to have a few relationships with ladies of his interest, but they always come to a rather abrupt end because of the lack of trust and constant absence shown by Wayne. He has cemented his reputation as a notorious playboy, a false perception he has created himself.
You've always loved women dark and dangerous-- yet if they do something dark and dangerous-- you can't love them-- and therefore, you've never really loved any woman at all.
In the Golden Age, Batman had a couple of short relationships as Bruce Wayne, such as Julie Madison and Linda Page. He would often flirt as Batman with occasional villains, one of which was Catwoman. The strong influence of Superman's success motivated the creators of Batman to introduce a serious female figure who could eventually become Batman's partner. Thus, Vicki Vale was introduced as an answer to Superman's Lois Lane, but these efforts proved futile as the character wasn't developed in the right direction. In the Silver Age and in response to various allegations which caused the Comics Code Authority to be created, Batman was given a female counterpart. In time, however, Batwoman also became a caricature instead of a serious persona. By the end of the Silver Age, Bruce Wayne started seeing other women with no serious intent of starting a relationship. In the first years of the Bronze Age, Batman had only one romantic interest, Talia al Ghul, but they were often at odds and the relationship never became serious. It wasn't until the mid-70s that some writers started taking Batman's love life more seriously. Silver St. Cloud, Natalia Knight and Julia Pennyworth were introduced while other characters were re-introduced, like Vicki Vale and Catwoman.[citation needed]
In the Modern Age of Comics until the present date, Batman has had numerous romantic relationships, in every different media, some of which have lasted long enough to set a "record" and others which were merely used for the sake of a story. Most of his relationships are with ladies from his own Rogues Gallery, and in recent years, his relationship with Catwoman has been given special attention; but the constant in every scenario is Batman's unwillingness or inability to maintain a relationship longer than the Batmobile's paint job.[citation needed]
Central Members
Following is a list of those romantic partners that have been prominently portrayed in comics books and other media:
"Bruce, you're not all alone anymore. Not as long as I'm around." - Julie Madison[2]
The first woman ever to date Bruce Wayne, Julie debuted in the Golden Age. Julie Madison was originally an actress, but her character was changed many times in the following decades.
In the Earth-Two continuity, Julie and Bruce were engaged, but they broke up after her acting career took off and she became dissolutioned with his playboy lifestyle.[3]
On Earth-One, Julie's history resembled that of her Earth-Two counterpart, but after her break-up with Bruce, she married the King of Moldacia.[4] After her first husband died, she married Prince Jon of Tybern.[5]
The New Earth version of Julie was the daughter of Norman Madison, a wealthy entrepreneur, and a law student. She started a relationship with Bruce, but when she learned that he was Batman and that her father was killed as a result of Batman's actions, she left Gotham and her relationship with Bruce, choosing to join the Peace Corps in Africa.[6]
In the current Prime Earth continuity, Julie is an artist and her father is Mallory Madison, an arms dealer who sold the gun that was used to kill Bruce's parents. Julie first dated Bruce Wayne during their teenage years, but met him again after his mind had been erased and he had forgotten ever being Batman. The two fell passionately in love, with Bruce being prepared to settle down and marry Julie. However, things got so bad in Gotham that Alfred realized Batman was needed and he and Julie were forced to give Bruce his old memories back, erasing his mind of the relationship.[7]
In Batman and Robin, Elle Macpherson plays Julie, though the character seems to have little in common with her comic book self. The character adds little to the plot, and many of her scenes were edited out of the film's final cut.
"You puzzle me, Bruce! Sometimes I wonder if you're really the socialite playboy you pretend to be!" - Vicki Vale[9]
A photographer/reporter, Vicki Vale was initially introduced as a woman smart enough to expose Batman's secret identity. In this quest, she became involved with Bruce Wayne, as she suspected him of being Batman and she was determined to find evidence. Her character has undergone few changes over the years, and many elements of her original characterization have remained.[citation needed]
Vicki disappeared from the Batman comics when Julius Schwartz took over the editorial office of Batman in 1964, but she was eventually reintroduced in the early 1980s, brought back by Gerry Conway. Unfortunately, this idea proved ill-advised as Vicki's character was not developed and instead, it was simply a modern take on the same old concept of learning Batman's secret identity. Writer Doug Moench was mainly responsible for slowly removing Vale from Batman's love life after he took over from Conway, but she has since been used as a recurrent love interest for Bruce Wayne by many other writers.[citation needed] Most recently, in Bruce Wayne: The Road Home, Vicki finally got proof of Batman's identity, but she kept it to herself and became a confidant and ally of the Batman family rather than a love interest of Bruce Wayne.
Vicki Vale was portrayed in the Tim BurtonBatman film by Kim Basinger. This version of the character was a renowned photographer, but aside from playing the damsel in distress role in the film, there is little significance to her role. She was the first version of the character to learn the identity of Batman without seeking it.
In various other continuities, Vicki Vale is portrayed as an occasional date of Bruce Wayne.[citation needed]
"You and me. The two orphans lost. Who see the weak in one another." - Selina Kyle[10]
Batman's relationship with Selina Kyle, the Catwoman, is the most enduring and iconic of his relationships. Unfortunately, their unconventional lifestyles and personal choices have often caused them to grow apart from each other, although there have been many stories in which the two of them have decided to form a serious relationship.
In the early Golden Age comics, Batman often flirted with Catwoman, as he was charmed by her beauty - although not so much by her methods. Their history on the Earth-Two continuity developed to the point where Catwoman reformed and Batman admitted his love for her, formally marrying shortly after and having a daughter, Helena Wayne, who later became the Huntress.[11]
On Earth-One, Catwoman and Batman were often at odds since they were on different sides of the law, but eventually, Catwoman reformed and, as Selina Kyle, dated Bruce Wayne on and off for some time before she left Gotham again to figure herself out.[12] She later returned as a vigilante and worked with Batman, who confessed his love to her, and the second Robin[13] until the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths reset their lives.
Batman and Catwoman have had several romantic encounters in the New Earth continuity. Bruce would eventually reveal his identity to Selina and invited her to become part of his life, but when Batman learned of a massive conspiracy organized by Hush and he decided he couldn't trust in her anymore, ending their relationship.[14] However, in later storylines, it has been shown that they still loved each other deeply.[15]
In the current Prime Earth continuity, Batman and Catwoman began a formal relationship after years of mutual attraction, and Bruce proposed to Selina shortly afterwards, which she accepted; however, Selina left Bruce and the wedding was called off.[16]
In Tim Burton's Batman Returns, Selina (played by Michelle Pfeiffer) seems to be the true love of Bruce's life, as not only their costumed identities but also their disturbed psyches are described as similar. Their relationship becomes intensely dramatic toward the end of the movie, to the point where Bruce actually implores her to abandon her vendetta against Max Shreck and come and live with him in Wayne Manor, to no avail.
In Batman: The Brave and the Bold, the two regularly flirt, which others notice. Alfred even goes so far as writing a story about them where they marry, similar to stories from the Silver Age of comics.[citation needed]
In Batman: Arkham City, although their love is not explored, Catwoman constantly flirts with the Dark Knight whenever they meet. Catwoman even gives up her sure escape from Arkham City to go back and help the injured Batman. A hidden radio reel reveals that Catwoman has a slight grudge towards Batman, though, since he knows her secret identity but she doesn't know his. However, by the time of the events of Batman: Arkham Knight, Selina is aware of Batman's identity as Bruce Wayne, addressing him as such after he rescues her from the Riddler.
In The Dark Knight Rises, Selina (played by Anne Hathaway) does not develop a romantic interest in Bruce until later on in the film. In the end, the two are shown to have developed a relationship when Alfred sees them sitting at a table nearby him at a cafe in Florence.
In almost every other alternate universe and continuity, Catwoman is depicted either as strongly interested in Batman/Bruce Wayne, or vice-versa.[citation needed]
"It is true, you know! There is no man your equal-- therefore, you are the only man I can love!" - Talia al Ghul[17]
The daughter of the supervillainRa's al Ghul, Talia's father has encouraged his daughter's relationship with the Dark Knight in hopes of recruiting Batman as the successor to his League of Assassins. Talia is also notable as the mother of Bruce's son, Damian Wayne.[citation needed]
During their first encounters, Talia showed a devotion to the Dark Knight as strong as her love for her father, often saving Batman, but always choosing to remain by her father's side. After several encounters with Ra's, Talia and Bruce eventually had a sexual encounter, from which their son Damian Wayne was born.[18] Over time, Talia became more antagonistic towards Batman, seeking to fulfill her father's goals and rule the world with Batman at her side, and declaring war against him after his refusal.[citation needed]
In Batman: Arkham City, Bruce and Talia have some romantic background and they truly care for one another, as both of them risk their lives to save the other.
On Earth-16, Bruce broke off all ties with Talia because of her conflicted morals; her love for Batman on one side, her devotion to her father on the other, but mostly, because she considered the two equal.[19]
In the The Dark Knight Rises film, Talia, portrayed by Marion Cotillard, poses as an executive member of Wayne Enterprises and becomes romantically involved with Bruce Wayne, only to take control of his company and attempt to destroy Gotham City, following her father's mad design.
Minor Love Interests
This list includes all those women who have sporadically appeared as romantic partners of Batman:
Amina Franklin: Bruce first met Amina, a nurse working at Leslie Thompkins' clinic, at a party and the two dated for a short time. Amina's brother Wayne operated as the criminal known as Grotesk, and she was killed by her brother during a confrontation between him and Batman.[20]
April Clarkson (Midnight): April was a GCPD officer who briefly dated Bruce Wayne and assisted him as Batman in tracking down the criminal known as Midnight, who had begun terrorizing Gotham and gruesomely murdering the city's most corrupt. Bruce developed strong feelings for April and was devastated to eventually discover that she was in fact the deranged murderer all along.[21]
Bekka: Batman and Bekka, the wife of Orion, had a strong attraction to each other after she rescued him from Darkseid's forces on the planet Tartarus. As Bekka explained to him, she could create desire in others, but it was strongest with those who denied themselves love. The desires however would also afflict her. She however had to leave him for Orion, but was later murdered.[22]
Black Canary: Although Black Canary has a long-standing relationship with Green Arrow, she has shown an attraction to the Dark Knight and she and Batman have shared kisses from time to time.[23][24]
Charlotte Rivers: A Gotham City news reporter and brief girlfriend of Bruce Wayne, Charlotte desired to leave Gotham, which put a rift between her and Bruce. After being seriously injured in an attempt on her life by her twin sister Jill, Charlotte called off her relationship with Wayne and accepted a job offer in Paris.[citation needed]
Dawn Golden: Dawn was the daughter of Aleister Goldon, a member of a cult that practiced dark magic. She was a childhood friend of Bruce, and later his girlfriend in college, where she was said to have broken his heart. Dawn went on to become a socialite in Gotham, until her father murdered her as part of a ritual to grant himself eternal life.[25]
Harley Quinn: Best known as "The Joker's Girlfriend", Harley has had occasional romantic encounters with Batman, most notably her kiss with him in the episode Harley's Holiday from Batman: The Animated Series. Recently, in the The New 52, there have been a couple of stories in which Harley became infatuated either with Bruce Wayne or Batman who has at least once been interested in her.[26]
Jaina Hudson (White Rabbit): Jaina is a Gotham socialite of Indian descent who met Bruce at a charity fundraiser and later went on a few dates with him. He later discovered she had the unique power to duplicate herself into two separate beings: herself and a scantily clad criminal called the White Rabbit. The White Rabbit worked against Batman and often led him to other villains such as the Joker and Bane.[citation needed]
Jezebel Jet: A wealthy woman of African descent who lost her parents, Jezebel was a model and was said to own an African province. She secretly worked for the Black Glove, and gained Bruce Wayne's love as part of a plot to destroy him during Batman R.I.P.. She was later killed on Talia's orders.[citation needed]
Jillian Maxwell: During the beginning of his career, Bruce found himself attracted to a woman who called herself Jillian Maxwell after meeting her at a costume party. However, he later discovered the criminal record of a woman who had used many aliases to seduce young, wealthy men, then later arranged events that led to their deaths so she could claim their wealth. After Alfred told Bruce of this, he was heartbroken, but he kept an eye on the woman. When she used the identity Audrey Marguerite in Brazil, Bruce, as Batman, sent her a note, ordering her to confess all her crimes.[27]
Julia Pennyworth: The daughter of Alfred and French Resistance fighter Mlle Marie, Julia was introduced by Doug Moench in the early 1980s, but efforts to make her a romantic partner of Bruce Wayne proved difficult because of the presence of Vicki Vale and Nocturna.[citation needed]
Kathy Kane (Batwoman): First introduced as a female counterpart for Batman, Batwoman developed into a romantic partner in the Silver Age, where many Imaginary Stories featuring Kathy and Bruce getting married were published. Batwoman's love for Batman was never reciprocated and he only saw her as a good friend. On Earth-Two, Batwoman resigned to live without Batman's love, and in the Earth-One continuity, Kathy Kane was murdered by the League of Assassins. In the New Earth continuity, Kathy Kane was romantically interested in Batman in a couple of stories by Grant Morrison, who liked to use Silver Age content as reference in his works.[citation needed]
Linda Page: A character adapted from the Batman serial (1943), Linda Page was introduced into the comics during the Golden Age as a romantic partner for Bruce Wayne. A former socialite, she dedicated her time as a nurse for the elderly, disproving the stereotype that rich women were spoiled and lazy. She dated Bruce for a few issues, but later fell between the cracks and disappeared.[citation needed]
Lois Lane: When The New Batman Adventures crossed over with Superman: The Animated Series, Bruce developed a relationship with Lois Lane, much to Superman's annoyance. Lois discovered that Bruce was Batman and broke off the relationship as it was difficult for her to be a part of his secret life, but kept his secret. She however admitted that she sometimes had second thoughys. In the New 52 comics line, Lois, who still worked as a reporter for the Daily Planet, met an an amnesiac Batman who acted nicer, while trying to meet with Richard Mangubat in Gotham. He saved her life multiple times and was confident in her abilities to fight. As she sparred with him on a rooftop, in Batgirl'ssuit, Batman flirted with her and had developed an attraction towards her, while also trying to take her help in his cases. The two mutually fell in love and were heartbroken that he'll lose all the feelings he had for her by regaining his memories after they kissed. After regaining it, he was horrifed of having kissed her and left her after helping Superman regaining his memories.[28]
Lorna Shore: In the Batman Confidential story Lovers & Madmen, Bruce met museum curator Lorna Shore during the beginning of his career. It was love at first sight as Bruce was able to find peace when he was with her for the first time since his parents' murder. However, after his encounter with the Joker and realizing that there would be more enemies like him, he broke off their relationship to protect Lorna. Lorna later left the city, feeling that Gotham wasn't safe anymore because of Batman and The Joker.[citation needed]
Mallory Moxon: Mallory, the daughter of mob boss Lew Moxon, knew Bruce as a child and the two briefly dated as children before drifting apart. They later met again in adulthood, and Bruce dated her while suspecting that she was continuing her father's criminal operation, but he never found conclusive proof.[citation needed]
The most remarkable of Batman's love interests in the early 1980s was Nocturna, aka Natalia Knight, created by Doug Moench. She was a jewel thief who briefly adopted Jason Todd and knew that Bruce Wayne was Batman. Natalia suffered from a rare "light sensitivity" disease and her skin was bleached white. Nocturna was said to use a special narcotic as a perfume, which caused every male to fall deeply for her. Batman was no exception, and the two of them started a relationship as they were both equally fascinated by the other. Eventually, Batman realized his love for Nocturna was an obsession caused by the drug and he struggled to stop thinking about her. Nocturna disappeared during the Crisis on Infinite Earths, after being stabbed by her brother, floating into the crimson sky of the Crisis in her balloon. She was presumed dead, although other versions of the character have appeared since, however they are different from the Pre-Crisis Nocturna.[citation needed]
Natalya Trusevich: A Ukrainian concert pianist and girlfriend of Bruce Wayne, Natalya grew frustrated with Bruce's closed-off demeanour, until he was urged by Alfred to reveal to her his secret identity. Shortly after, Natalya was abducted by the Mad Hatter who attempted to torture her into revealing the identity of Batman. Natalya refused to divulge Bruce's secret and was thrown by the Mad Hatter from a helicopter to her death.[citation needed]
Poison Ivy is a villain who often relies on seduction and the manipulation of pheromones to drive men around her to obey. This is no different with Batman, who initially confused the lust and desire caused by Ivy's methods for love.[29][30] Ivy has a somewhat love/hate relationship with Batman; on some occasions she claims to love him and desires his affection, while on others she is more than willing to kill him. Bruce and Pamela had a brief but genuine romantic relationship after he helped to cure her of her condition, but this came to an end when Pamela seemingly died in an attempt to turn herself back into Poison Ivy.[31]
Rachel Caspian: In Batman: Year Two, Bruce Wayne fell in love with Rachel. Unfortunately, Rachel's father moonlighted as a murderous vigilante who committed suicide. Discovery of her father's evils drove Rachel to pay her father's penance on his behalf by enrolling in a nunnery and breaking off her engagement with Bruce Wayne, who had prepared to end his crimefighting career to marry her.[citation needed]
Sasha Bordeaux: Assigned as Bruce Wayne's bodyguard, Sasha deduced that Bruce was Batman and briefly fought at his side. She was framed for the murder of Bruce's girlfriend Vesper Fairchild and later joined Maxwell Lord's Checkmate organization. In The OMAC Project, Bordeaux was turned into a cyborg OMAC, but this incident was later resolved. While Sasha and Batman kissed near the end of The OMAC Project, their relationship seemed to have passed on.[citation needed]
Silver St. Cloud: Featured in the storyline Strange Apparitions from the late 1970s, Silver St. Cloud was a socialite who dated Bruce Wayne and managed to deduce the secret of his alter ego. However, she couldn't handle being involved with someone in such a dangerous line of work. In Batman: Dark Detective, Silver returned to Gotham years later. She and Bruce tried to make a serious relationship work, but things fell apart after she was kidnapped by the Joker. Silver was later tragically murdered by the villain Onomatopoeia.[citation needed]
Shondra Kinsolving: Shondra was a psychic and the half-sister of Benedict Asp. She had a brief love affair with Batman, having been brought in to help him when Bane broke his back. Before Bruce could officially commit to her, Benedict kidnapped her and turned her abilities to evil use. Batman eventually defeated Benedict, but the damage to Shondra's mind was too great. As she healed Bruce's lingering injuries, Shondra's psyche regressed back into childhood. Bruce paid for her care at a psychiatric institution, ensuring she received the best treatment for the rest of her life.[32]
In the Earth-One continuity, Wonder Woman genuinely fell in love with Batman while initially pretending to do so in order to nab Copperhead.[33] The two later expressed interest in each other as well as attempted to date later on.[34][35]
In Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman: Trinity, after first meeting him, she becomes conflicted at his ways, finding him complicated and obessive, but comes to see him as a loyal comrade. Batman however keeps fighting for the memory of when he kissed her on Paradise Island being overwhelmed by its enchantments and her beauty.[36]
In the New Earth continuity, their relationship was initially strained but they came to recognize the goodness in each other.[37][38] Batman eventually grew to care for her deeply and was saddened due to Diana's soul being incinerated by Neron.[39] The two became close friends, though she resented that she apparently had no effect in changing his ways. Bruce responded that they'll just have to accept who they are gifted her a rose.[40] They eventually developed a flirtatious relationship, which continued for a time even after they decided not to pursue a romantic relationship.[41] Batman once while dazed stated he found her beautiful just like he as an imperfect human was.[42] The two kissed during the The Obsidian Age story arc before dying and resurrecting.[43] Later, they decided to have a talk about their feelings and briefly tried to date[44] but nothing came of their relationship as Diana stated that they had potential, but she didn't want to risk their friendship. The two decided to end it.[45] She later admitted she briefly held romantic feelings towards both Batman and Superman in past, describing the former as a man whose life has no scope for a long-term relationship since all his focus was in fighting crime.[46] They still cared deeply about one another as good friends and Diana still harbored love for Bruce as shown in a vision of her kissing him breaking her out of the hold of Black Lantern Ring, as well as during the time Mera using Lasso of Truth in the Blackest Night arc.[47] They also continued flirting sometimes with one another after their relationship had ended.[48][49]
Their relationship is echoed in the Justice League and Justice League Unlimited animated series set within the DCAU, where the two developed a romantic attraction but were relunctant to act upon it. She stayed back on the worlds of the Justice Lords after falling in love with Lord Batman while helping him in his war against the other Justice Lords. The two eventually marrried but he was killed by Lady Wonder Woman.[50]
In the Rebirth comic line, Diana and Bruce get trapped for decades in "The Realm" while fighting the Hordes of Gehenna. She confesses to Bruce one night that she finds him attractive. The two feel mutual attraction and lean in to kiss, but stop themselves as they are already committed to other people. They however remain good friends with each other.[51]
Zatanna Zatara: The first occasion in which Zatanna was portrayed as a strong romantic interest of Bruce Wayne was in Batman: The Animated Series, where the two of them met in their youth and were interested in each other, but Bruce gave priority to the pursue of his training to become Batman. As adults they met again and realized they cared for each other, but nothing came out of it. This history was later introduced to the comics. Batman and Zatanna had a major falling out after Bruce found out Zatanna had mindwiped him after he walked in on her mindwiping Doctor Light at the Justice League's instruction. Batman made it clear that after these incidents, he no longer trusted Zatanna. However, the two eventually resolved their issues and became close friends once again.[citation needed]
Other media
Andrea Beaumont: In Batman: Mask of the Phantasm Andrea is a woman that Bruce Wayne was briefly engaged to prior to becoming Batman. She broke off the engagement when she and her father had to flee the country to escape the Mob. She later became the title villain to get revenge on former mobsters.
Barbara Gordon (Batgirl): The daughter of police commissioner James Gordon in the DCAU, Barbara hinted at having been in a brief relationship with Bruce in the Batman Beyond TV series. In the Batman Beond 2.0 comic series, it's revealed the two gave into romantic impulses and Bruce had made her pregnant.[citation needed] In the recent animated adaptation of the Batman: The Killing Joke, Batman and Batgirl developed a mutual attraction and two later had a sexual encounter. Early on in the main continuity comics, she was shown to have attraction to him.[52][53]
Rachel Dawes: The childhood friend of Bruce Wayne and, later, his love interest in the Dark Knight trilogy. She left him as she knew Gotham needed Batman. She started dating Harvey Dent, but was torn up between him and Bruce. When Batman offered to expose himself and go to jail in order to stop the cop killings and having a normal life with her, she stopped him as others wouldn't allow it to them even if he did and asked him not to make her a hope for a normal life. After Bruce let Harvey pretend to be Batman, she decided to permanently leave him for Harvey stating that she isn't sure he will ever stop needing to be Batman. Alfred also criticized Bruce, stating she had truly believed in the Bat.
Sometimes I wonder if I'm even human anymore. Sex, love... even the slightest yearning I've repressed and rechanneled into the Almighty Will. How perverse it feels in her presence. Every relationship was a charade, or some reluctant excursion I knew I would never complete. Vicki, Silver, Talia... Selina. She would last the longest because she was safe. She was the enemy. She would always be the enemy. My criterion for a relationship. So many women. All those pretty party girls, their sweet smiles and simple hopes. But once the photo ops were over, so were they. Back in the limo, back to wherever they came from. I'm sure they wondered what went wrong. "Was it something I said? Did I come on too strong? Too clinging?" Never knowing they stood a better chance with Freeze. The day I put this on was the end of me. Gotham would be safe, but there would be no rescue for Bruce Wayne. No love. No family. No real intimacy. No real losing oneself in someone else. Not in this life. 
