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James Corrigan (Lucifer TV Series) to The Spectre (Arrowverse)

Not sure if this is a good title, but there is no evidence that he is from Earth-666 (the Earth where Lucifer takes place).Ninja72 (talk) 23:27, January 24, 2020 (UTC)

But he is James Corrigan. Who already exists. --Tupka217 16:09, February 10, 2020 (UTC)
Like I said, idk if this is a good title or not, but there is no evidence this one is from Earth-666, so it shouldn't be called (Lucifer TV Series). It can't be called James Corrigan (Arrowverse), because that title is already used for the one from Earth-1. Someone else suggested it should be moved to James Corrigan II (Arrowverse), which might be a better title than what I suggested.Ninja72 (talk) 20:00, February 10, 2020 (UTC)
Well, from what I can tell, regarding the article,
- the contents only mention Arrowverse, and never mention Lucifer, so, right then, the title isn't good.
- In Wikipedia (yes, Tupka217, competition), Stephen_Lobo#Television just credits him in Arrowverse (I did watch the Arrow episode of Crisis, but never watched Lucifer show).
So, as far as I see it, given that Constatine is also Arrowverse, either
- the above suggestion of moving to James Corrigan II (Arrowverse) (for me, having II in the title, is a bit poor),
- or... think about this, merging the articles in the article that already exists in arrowverse (wait, what? but the actors are different... Yes, I know. Maybe the previous actor was unavailable to be on crisis episodes, maybe the production decided to recast)
- move to James Corrigan (Arrowverse Crisis) --- added the Crisis in the title.
That's all, folks. :) (The)Batmagoo(BatmanMagoo) (talk) 17:19, July 8, 2020 (UTC)
He was listed as Lucifer because he might be from Earth-666 - which has a Lucifer played by Tom Ellis. One of the earlier suggestions was to move him to Arrowverse: Earth-666, IIRC. --Tupka217 17:28, July 8, 2020 (UTC)
"he might be from Earth-666"... might?! So, now, the titles are guesses?! I only watched the Arrow episode of Crisis: in another Arrowverse Crisis episode, a Lucifer appeared, is that it? and was portrayed by the same actor in Lucifer TV show, is that it? (The)Batmagoo(BatmanMagoo) (talk) 17:34, July 8, 2020 (UTC)
He was listed as Lucifer TV Series because when Crisis came out, we held off on making new universe pages and just reused TV series like Smallville and BoP for 167 and 302 or 203 or w/e. As Jim was implied to be from a different universe than John and was an acquaintance of Lucifer, it wasn't a stretch. But it's time for an update. At this point, I think The Spectre (Arrowverse) and James Corrigan (Arrowverse: Earth-666) are probably the least bad. (Arrowverse Crisis) is a big no. --Tupka217 17:42, July 8, 2020 (UTC)
Sigh (I can write that, as well). Like I said: "he might be from Earth-666"... might?! So, now, the titles are guesses?!
So, in conclusion, if Earth-666 is not a reality fact with this character, James Corrigan (Arrowverse: Earth-666) is a very bad title (it states something none of us really know)... Meaning, that leaves only The Spectre (Arrowverse) (oh, wait, gone right back to where this discussion began) :) (The)Batmagoo(BatmanMagoo) (talk) 18:10, July 8, 2020 (UTC)
Since there is not really any proof that his universe is Earth-666, I don't think it should be (Arrowverse: Earth-666).Ninja72 (talk) 04:26, July 19, 2020 (UTC)
I'm going to call this one dead and keep it as is. --Tupka217 16:30, October 10, 2020 (UTC)
Why? The title is pure speculation. Purgatory seems to be multiversal, meaning anyone from any Earth could be there. If that was Earth-666's Purgatory, why would Oliver be there? Just because they went from Earth-666 to Purgatory, it doesn't mean this Jim Corrigan is from Earth-666. He could easily be from any other Earth.Ninja72 (talk) 12:08, October 17, 2020 (UTC)

Iris West II (Dark Multiverse: Flash Forward) to Iris West II (Prime Earth)

Although they were created in the Dark Multiverse, it seems their permanent residence is now in Prime Earth. With Linda now having memories of her kids back, it seems better to label them for Prime Earth with notation of creation in the Dark Multiverse. --BrawnyOak 16:47, February 21, 2020 (UTC)

According to Scott Lobdell, they're meant to be the New Earth versions of the kids, but that wasn't clear in the story itself and the source is a supposed account he made on the CBR forums. Until there's a better source for that, I think making it Prime Earth -- despite that not making sense with what we've seen -- is at least preferable to their current titles. SpeedyGeney (talk) 02:30, March 7, 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the move and the reasons. MatthewOne (talk) 03:29, March 7, 2020 (UTC)
I also agree. --1137a (AL) (Earth-1218) (talk) 17:45, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

Hello guys, I saw this and decided to message the author Scott Lobdell himself on Instagram to solve your conundrum. He confirmed the kids were pre-Flashpoint, though he also said he doesn't know whether they changed it currently. However as we have seen, there's bene no change in their past. So we can safely include the kids in New earth or Prime Earth (Because Linda remembers them so they can be included in PE). If you want a screenshot of the convo, I have it. Hope that helped. MatteJohnny (talk) 13:13, September 22, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, if you can post that, I THINK we should follow through with doing it? It seemed to have been unanimous last time, but there wasn't any approval from the admins or mods. We also see a flashback of the original, New Earth versions being absorbed into the Dark Multiverse, so it seems apparentn they're not constructs of the Dark Multiverse -- it's more likely they're outright the New Earth versions (since they couldn't have existed in Prime Earth's history), similar to Bart Allen and Hunter Zolomon, but if we don't add onto those pages, we could at least move them to Prime Earth. SpeedyGeney (talk) 14:13, October 10, 2020 (UTC)
I'll post it if the admins need it and are okay with the move. And I don't know why they haven't even responded since I posted about Scott Lobdell's reply. But these discussions seem to fall under the radar. MatteJohnny (talk) 17:04, October 10, 2020 (UTC)

Jai West (Dark Multiverse: Flash Forward) to Jai West (Prime Earth)

Same argument as listed above. --BrawnyOak 16:47, February 21, 2020 (UTC)

Ray (Earth 10) to Langford Terill (Earth 10)

In Robert Venditti’s run on the Freedom Fighters they have somewhat revealed that The Ray of Earth 10 is apparently Langford Terrill AKA the First Ray. The reason as to why is because they have the original Black Condor, Human Bomb, and Doll Man in a flashback where they mention the lost of their members The Ray who could very well be Langford Terrill and Phantom Lady who could very well be the Sandra Knight. —- Makkat1 (talk) 18:12, July 10, 2020‎ (UTC)

Does this require a move? I don't think it was ever properly tagged. --Tupka217 16:30, October 10, 2020 (UTC)

American Wilderness Frontier to American Colonial Frontier

The current term for the page isn't one I've seen used especially in textbooks or encyclopedias. The frontier is called the American frontier including the colonial era frontier including on Britannica. The name American Colonial Frontier should be used as it's very similar and more accurate. We can also use American frontier simply. MatteJohnny (talk) 14:27, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

"American Colonial Frontier" is less accurate than "American Wilderness Frontier," given that it is the setting for a series of stories set in (a) the French and Indian Wars, (b) the Revolutionary War, and (c) the post-Independence phases of early U.S. (and Canadian) history. In all three of these historical phases, many of the same DC adventure characters, especially Tomahawk, had their adventures and lived out their histories. The point of this page's existence is to provide a unified setting for the adventures of those characters, especially Tomahawk. Pre-war, wartime, and post-war frontier adventures all belong here. Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 04:20, August 2, 2020 (UTC)
Wilderness doesn't apply as it can be interpreted in a negative manner to Indians (see the meaning of wilderness). Colonialism didn't just end with British leaving. The taking and settling of Indian land by Americans was also colonialism. So "colonial frontier" is accurate. I've never heard the term "wilderness frontier" anywhere. Especially not in history books. Apart from colonial frontier the one used is simply "American frontier". The term includes all eras of frontiers. Wild West however has its own era unlike others and the competition was also with the Spanish/Mexican-era settlers. Wilderness frontier sounds made-up even if it isn't. MatteJohnny (talk) 14:44, August 2, 2020 (UTC)
>>Wilderness doesn't apply as it can be interpreted in a negative manner to Indians (see the meaning of wilderness).<<
Irrelevant. "Wilderness" was what Lewis and Clark and Boone and Crockett called it when they lived and worked and hunted and fought there. Tecumseh called it that too, just in a different language. And the inhabitants of that wilderness having (according to you) hostile attitudes, towards one another, doesn't invalidate their nomenclature.
>> Colonialism didn't just end with British leaving. <<
Prior to the British leaving, the American states were literally, and officially, colonies. After that they were not colonies. Did they think and act in a "Colonialist" manner? According to you they did. According to me, it makes no difference what opinions they had about each other, as long as they had a common term for the region where they lived. And they did.
>>The taking and settling of Indian land by Americans was also colonialism.<<
That's a load of post-hoc name-changing codswallop. What you now call "colonialism" was called (in their day) things like "expansionism" and "Manifest Destiny," which also was a load of codswallop. But THAT was the codswallop of THOSE times, and those places. They had their "narrative," you have yours. They used their terminology, you seek to impose yours over theirs. That's "colonialistic" thinking right there.
>> So "colonial frontier" is accurate. I've never heard the term "wilderness frontier" anywhere. Especially not in history books.<<
If I use the correct name for that type of argument, you'll be very insulted. But you see what you just did there, don't you?
>>Apart from colonial frontier the one used is simply "American frontier". The term includes all eras of frontiers. Wild West however has its own era unlike others and the competition was also with the Spanish/Mexican-era settlers. Wilderness frontier sounds made-up even if it isn't.<<
Our subject matter here is comic books. Sounding like a made-up name may be less of a disqualifier than you think. Time will tell. Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 17:45, August 2, 2020 (UTC)
Someone calling something as "wilderness" because they're out of civilization or not in an advanced civilization doesn't make it an official term. Because that's how you'll expect it to be defined as especially by white writers (native Americans actually did have permanent settlements and even nations). I have yet to see any example at all of "wilderness frontier" being used as an actual marker. That's something you conjectured and will need something beyond someone calling an uncivilized area or not advanced area as "wilderness".
Colonialism means a country excerting dominanace over other countries or even peoples. So defeinitely yes colonialism continued. Made-up names are okay as long as they're one applied by comic books. And I'm not accusing you of any dishonesty. You're just mistaken and presuming something as a fact when it isn't. MatteJohnny (talk) 18:27, August 2, 2020 (UTC)
"All names are made-up names." - Thor Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 18:37, August 2, 2020 (UTC)
By made-up you know I mean something that's purely derived by you. The Thirteen Colonies were called so because they colonized North America, the settlers were the colonialists not the colonialized. The ones colonialized were the Natives. American colonial frontier or just American frontier is an apt term. MatteJohnny (talk) 18:44, August 2, 2020 (UTC)
We're having an argument about nomenclature, as used in American fiction. And you've just negated your own argument. Your usage of "colonialism" here describes something that denotes no particular era. Because "colonialism," as you use it here, never ended. The "colonialist" policies and attitudes used by American white people, towards American red people in eastern North America, and later towards Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and Filipinos, and others, are NOT confined to the "American Colonial" era. But the American Colonial era itself has a real clear historical ending point, at the time of the American Revolution, when the actual, literal, official "Colonies" became instead "States." That's an event, with a specific chronology, that identifies a particular time and place.
And that era covers only about HALF of Tomahawk's career. Before and after the A.Rev, Tomahawk and his friends and enemies lived out in the woods. The Colonies changed their nomenclature, becoming States, but the forest did not change. Tomahawk and his chroniclers considered it a Wilderness. James Fenimore Cooper considered it a Wilderness, so did Meriwether Lewis. Doris Kearns Goodwin and Howard Zinn can call it whatever they want, but in American Literature a giant forest full of friendly AND hostile tribes, not to mention all those dinosaurs and giants, is a wild and dangerous place, i.e. is a Wilderness.
So, if you are that anxious to call it "Colonial" then you need to (a) devise a name for the era that was the setting for T.Hawk's post-A.Rev career, and (b) revisit all of those Tomahawk appearances to "correct" their locations to the new one. Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 11:09, August 3, 2020 (UTC)
Where exactly was "American Wilderness Frontier/Wilderness Frontier" used? Do I need to really inform you that calling an uncivilized area as "wilderness" or even the wilderness doesn't make it a name? Nowhere does Tomoahawk call it anything like "Wilderness Frontier"? Your whole claim of Tomahwak considering it Wilderness is baseless if you believe it means a territorial name. Anyone would call unsettled/less civilized land as wilderness.
You can simply use "American colonial frontier" about stories before British left. And alternatively you can have another title for the post-independent frontier. It's not a big deal. Britain wasn't the last European power on modern United States, but anyway colonial era is generally considered to end with independence. Though colonialism itseld itself didn't end. Thus I suggested simply using "American frontier" if you're so against the word colonial. But you don't even agree to that.
Your suggestions aren't based in facts while mine are. In fact there are many more alternatives better suited than what you've devised. First Nation territories/Indian territories/Native American territories etc. You don't seem to want a solution it seems. MatteJohnny (talk) 18:58, August 6, 2020 (UTC)
>>Anyone would call unsettled/less civilized land as wilderness.<<
Bingo. Good admission.
>>You can simply use "American colonial frontier" about stories before British left. And alternatively you can have another title for the post-independent frontier.<<
I can? You haven't.
>> It's not a big deal.<<
Obviously false, or you wouldn't still be flailing away at it.
>>Your suggestions aren't based in facts while mine are.<<
We're indexing works of fiction here. That's what makes J.F.Cooper relevant, and H.Zinn not relevant.
>>You don't seem to want a solution it seems.<<
I have a solution. I just don't like yours.Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 08:11, August 7, 2020 (UTC)
Hey if you think my admission is correct, you're just admitting using a title because someone calling uncivilized and/or less civilized land as wilderness. It's just what a person commonly uses to call such places. You don't like my solution (even though there are many alternative titles I suggested)? I don't like your current title. Since you won't budge and no point in talking anymore, let's see if someone else supports one or the other's preference. MatteJohnny (talk) 10:52, August 7, 2020 (UTC)
>> let's see if someone else supports one or the other's preference.<<
"That's what we've been doing, for six days now. So far nobody has seemed to see it your way. Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 11:24, August 7, 2020 (UTC)
You're omitting no one's supported you either. MatteJohnny (talk) 11:37, August 7, 2020 (UTC)
*Sigh*. Same rule as last argument applies. Early bird gets the worm. American Wilderness Frontier is clearly Stoop Davy Dave's project, and Dave has done most of the work to populate its content and has a valid reason for naming it the way he did. If he had chosen to name it American Colonial Frontier originally, I don't think there would've been much opposition either. Changing the name now seems pointless at best and mean-spirited at worst. --- Haroldrocks talk 13:31, August 7, 2020 (UTC)
I'm only opposing how he named it because that's not the name ever used in the comics. I simply think he is mistaken. But there doesn't seem to be any support for me about it. Very well. MatteJohnny (talk) 14:13, August 7, 2020 (UTC)
Any progress on this? --Tupka217 16:30, October 10, 2020 (UTC)
No and likely never will be a mutual agreement. Please just archive it. MatteJohnny (talk) 17:07, October 10, 2020 (UTC)

Lords of Chaos divided into teams of spearate universes

Lords of Chaos should be divided into Lords of Chaos (New Earth), Lords of Chaos (Prime Earth). Their history and membership is entirely different. Only their function is similar - repesenting chaos, though in Prime Earth they lord over chaos magic taken from Hecate, rather than just being avatars. The only member same across universes is Mordru. Enough reasons for a spilt. I believe Earth-Two history is also canon for New Earth, but certainly can neve be for Prime Earth. MatteJohnny (talk) 19:59, August 18, 2020 (UTC)

This would require even more splitting as they've appeared in other universes as well, which isn't helpful. --Tupka217 16:02, August 19, 2020 (UTC)
I thought they just appeared in three universes - New Earth (Earth-Two can be merged), Prime Earth and Earth-16 (Young Justice cartoon). What other universes they appear in? MatteJohnny (talk) 23:03, August 19, 2020 (UTC)
BTBATB, and arguably any with a Nabu. --Tupka217 05:52, September 24, 2020 (UTC)

Question moves

I would much rather give all of them "Vic Sage". Even for "Charles Victor Szasz". Because people looks for "Vic Sage". Not "did it start with a s or a z?". --Tupka217 18:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Vic Sage (Earth-4) to Victor Sage (Earth-4)

Vic is short for Victor. Horrorcomicnerd (talk) 12:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a citation for that? -- SuperFan24K (talk) 17:18, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Vic Sage (Earth-Four) to Victor Sage (Earth-Four)

Same thing for his Earth-4 counterpart. Horrorcomicnerd (talk) 12:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a citation for that? Given Ditko's love of strange (and short) names, it's possible his given name is Vic. -- SuperFan24K (talk) 17:05, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Victor Sage (Earth-22) to Charles Victor Szasz (Earth-22)

Charles Victor Szasz was his real name prior to Prime Earth. Horrorcomicnerd (talk) 12:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Note on the Talk page for Charles Victor Szasz (New Earth) that we are discussing moving that page to either Charles Szasz (New Earth) or Victor Szasz (New Earth). So now is probably not a good time for this move. -- SuperFan24K (talk) 17:15, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Victor Sage (DCAU) to Charles Victor Szasz (DCAU)

Same thing for his Earth-22 counterpart. Horrorcomicnerd (talk) 12:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Note on the Talk page for Charles Victor Szasz (New Earth) that we are discussing moving that page to either Charles Szasz (New Earth) or Victor Szasz (New Earth). So now is probably not a good time for this move. -- SuperFan24K (talk) 17:16, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Victor Sage (Lego Batman) to Charles Victor Szasz (Lego Batman)

He is based on his New Earth counterpart. Horrorcomicnerd (talk) 12:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Note on the Talk page for Charles Victor Szasz (New Earth) that we are discussing moving that page to either Charles Szasz (New Earth) or Victor Szasz (New Earth). So now is probably not a good time for this move. -- SuperFan24K (talk) 17:16, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Big Figure (Watchmen) to Tom Ryan (Watchmen)

According to the DC Heroes The Watchmen Sourcebook, Big Figure's real name was revealed to be Tom Ryan. Horrorcomicnerd (talk) 1:49, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

The what? --Tupka217 18:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)
The Watchmen sourcebook which was a role-playing game and was in the recent Watchmen Companion. Horrorcomicnerd (talk) 2:24, September 11, 2020 (UTC)
I would much rather have that as a note on the page. It needs content, not a vague source. --Tupka217 18:40, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Robin (DC Extended Universe) to Richard Grayson (DC Extended Universe)

Both Zack Snyder and David Ayer have confirmed that the Robin in their film is intended to be Dick Grayson:

There's never been any official claim or anything in the films that have showed him to be Jason Todd. That just seems like a misassumption of fans. I asked Haroldrocks first and he affirmed it was okay to request. MatteJohnny (talk) 03:18, September 12, 2020 (UTC)

Also when Snyder indicated who he was in the beginning, before using the full name later, he called him Richard. For sure Dick always was meant to be Robin and Ayer followed in Snyder's footsteps. MatteJohnny (talk) 22:22, September 16, 2020 (UTC)

While all your research seems to be correct, I don't see why this needs to be moved. In the films themselves, he's just an anonymous Robin. Why isn't that good enough?
Also, the DCEU isn't dead yet; a future film could still confirm that this Robin is Dick, or swerve some other direction. -- SuperFan24K (talk) 16:19, September 18, 2020 (UTC)
We tend to take directors' / creators' intents as indicated on Twitter as sources. A character like Eric Moran (Prime Earth) is a good example of that; we used to go to Twitter all the time for answers to identity questions. --- Haroldrocks talk 16:29, September 18, 2020 (UTC)
It's doubtful if the DCEU story at present will even continue. It makes no sense for Ben Affleck to come back in The Flash film if they would continue the Batman storyline with a mere actor change. Also Wonder Woman will revive Steve Trevor in 1980s and her past will be changed. Aquaman and Shazam are most likely going to continue most of their story. Man of Steel too looks probable. But nothing's sure about Justice League or Batman's story. MatteJohnny (talk) 16:43, September 18, 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - From what I understand, Zack Snyder wanted the dead Robin to be Dick Grayson but WB had plans for a Nightwing movie and forced him to remove any explicit reference to this. Frankly, these big DCEU directors don't always get what they want. Another example was when David Ayer intended The Joker's grills to be the result of Batman knocking his teeth out after killing Robin, which was f#cked up when Geoff Johns inserted a flashback from before Robin was killed where Joker still had the grills. Darkknight2149 21:27, September 18, 2020 (UTC)
Do you have any explicit official confirmation about Nightwing film taking place during the time Robin is dead? The other changes in Suicide Squad don't have anything to do with this info in particular. The changes Geoff Johns made had to do with Harley's involvement in killing Robin becoming an error (unintended or not I don't know), rather than who Robin was. MatteJohnny (talk) 01:50, September 19, 2020 (UTC)
Here is one source that brings it up, but really, it doesn't matter. All references to the dead Robin being Richard Grayson (including a tombstone) were cut from the film and Zack Snyder was eventually canned. The dead Robin could be anyone. Darkknight2149 22:51, September 19, 2020 (UTC)
Again, we use directors' intentions unless explicitly contradicted in a film. An alleged Nightwing movie ("in development" could mean anything. I wouldn't hold my breath for that Cyborg movie "in development" either, ... or that Jared Leto Joker movie "in development", ... or that Trench movie "in development"...) does not contradict Zack Snyder giving auxiliary information. --- Haroldrocks talk 23:53, September 19, 2020 (UTC)
Also a deleted scene can't be taken as a confirmation. Directors always delete scenes to save time. Doesn't mean Warner made him delete it because of Nightwing. Also the Nightwing movie is just a rumor. Reporting on one article that it appears to be happening, then on another it is happening is simply shoddy journalism. No such movie has been confirmed beyond hearsay. MatteJohnny (talk) 20:33, September 20, 2020 (UTC)

Sun-Sphere to Sun-Sphere (Earth-One)

Adding universe since this is a character page. Kyletheobald (talk) 21:00, September 16, 2020 (UTC)

Trigger Twins II to Trigger Twins II (New Earth)

Move this since Trigger Twins I (New Earth) already has a universe designation. Kyletheobald (talk) 20:26, September 23, 2020 (UTC)

Kramp Family to Cramp Family

I mentioned on Rita's Talk page that the closed caption from Doom Patrol (TV Series) Episode: Frances Patrol spell her name "Cramp". There's no source for the K spelling, and the rest of the internet seems to use "Cramp" too except for us. (Can the bot also manually find and replace all the "Kramps" to "Cramps" throughout the articles? Would save me the effort.) --- Haroldrocks talk 04:44, September 24, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the bot can do that. But I'd prefer a primary source first. --Tupka217 05:48, September 24, 2020 (UTC)
Is there any source other than the CC? Because if she was German, it's unlikely it would be spelled with a C. But writers can make errors. --Tupka217 16:30, October 10, 2020 (UTC)

Category:Wonder Woman's Love Interests to Category:Diana of Themyscira's Love Interests

Personal names (or regal in her case) should be used to avoid confusion. Agreed Diana is the prominent Wonder Woman, but Kal-El is also the prominent Superman. I was accidentally going to add Damian Wayne (DCeased), until I saw it was only about Diana. MatteJohnny (talk) 01:30, September 28, 2020 (UTC)

Nth Metal Rannian Ship to Soarship

Loxlie35 created the article under the current title, but that's not the name of the current Hawkman's ship. It's proper name is Soarship, which it is called many times. Nth Metal Rannian Ship is just its description and is never used as a name. Loxlie35 has also realized this on Talk:Nth Metal Rannian Ship. So it should be changed. MatteJohnny (talk) 20:16, October 9, 2020 (UTC)

That is the general idea, only thing of it is? I have no idea about how to do so.--Loxlie 35 (talk) 18:20, October 10, 2020 (UTC)
The admins move it, editors can't. MatteJohnny (talk) 18:27, October 10, 2020 (UTC)

Selina Kyle (Earth-19) to Selina Kyle (Gotham by Gaslight)

The character is exclusive to the movie only. She has never been present in the comic universe whether pre or post-Flashpoint. Black Havok described it excellently when he said the differences between the comic and the movie are too great to just include them as separate paragraphs. As such this movie deserves an exception to have its own universe, unlike Dark Knight Returns. It's only a very loose adaption. Therefore, this character's article should be moved. MatteJohnny (talk) 01:31, October 12, 2020 (UTC)

I'd say (Gotham by Gaslight Movie) to make the distinction clearer for new readers, but I agree. --- Haroldrocks talk 16:31, October 18, 2020 (UTC)
Yes (Gotham by Gaslight Movie) would be a better distinction. MatteJohnny (talk) 16:35, October 18, 2020 (UTC)
I don't disagree with this, but I am hesitant to split them off. A lot more DCUAOM need this treatment, it's a big project. And I fear the pages are going to be empty.--Tupka217 16:46, October 18, 2020 (UTC)
I don't think every DCUAOM needs its own articles, especially when it has little to no differences. In order to avoid empty pages, it would be better to split them off when someone is willing to fill them. BlackHavok has expressed interest and I'm willing to fill it up as well, so in this movie such a thing is unlikely to happen. MatteJohnny (talk) 17:08, October 18, 2020 (UTC)
I'll agree that GbG is more pressing than New Frontier or A-SS. Go for it.--Tupka217 17:13, October 18, 2020 (UTC)
Great! I'm tagging Richard Grayson (Earth-19), Leslie Thompkins (Earth-19), and Barbara Eileen Gordon (Earth-19) for move too and adding (Movie) to Catwoman's tag (so we remember). --- Haroldrocks talk 17:45, October 18, 2020 (UTC)
I request that Barbara Eileen Gordon (Earth-19) be renamed to Barbara Gordon (Gotham by Gaslight Movie) only. She is never called Eileen in the movie and the other Barbara, daughter of Jim and hers, doesn't exist. MatteJohnny (talk) 08:42, October 19, 2020 (UTC)

Emmaline Brady (New Earth) to Mary West (New Earth)

I can't find a source for "Emmaline Brady". DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 17:49, October 12, 2020 (UTC)

Those Who Ride the Lightning: Mary West says that Mary West's maiden name may or may not be Rhodes. It says nothing about Brady. SuperFan24K (talk) 19:01, October 12, 2020 (UTC)
This page was originally Mary West (New Earth) and was changed to Emmaline Brady West (New Earth) back in March 2008. There's nothing about it in the Move discussions archives, which only go back to November 2008. SuperFan24K (talk) 19:38, October 12, 2020 (UTC)
That's too strange. And all the other websites I could find that used the name "Emmaline Brady" seemed to source back to us. I have no idea where that name could've come from. Even if there is a source, it definitely needs to be added as a note. Good catch either way. --- Haroldrocks talk 20:26, October 12, 2020 (UTC)
I suggest the name being changed to Mary Rhodes. Who's Who Update 88 #4 does say her brother is Edgar Rhodes, just like Hyporborea says. The other comics didn't change it. Hyporborea says the The Life Story of the Flash provides possible contradictory information since Charlotte Rhodes married Edgar. That however doesn't have to make it contradictory. It's quite possible that the authors/editors decided to make Charlotte Mary's sister-in-law or it's just an error. But except this one possible error, every book mentions Edgar Rhodes as Wally's uncle. MatteJohnny (talk) 04:29, October 13, 2020 (UTC)
I still think that Mary West is a better choice, given that she was probably never actually called "Mary Rhodes" anywhere. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 13:24, October 15, 2020 (UTC)
We are only assuming her maiden name is Mary Rhodes, because her brother's name is Edgar Rhodes. But strange things can happen in families. I thing we need in-story confirmation (which isn't coming, as New Earth is dead) to go with Rhodes. SuperFan24K (talk) 14:51, October 15, 2020 (UTC)
Edgar Rhodes is her brother in law. He was married to Charlotte West, Rudy's sister. --Tupka217 16:46, October 18, 2020 (UTC)

Anti-Living (DCeased) to Anti-Living

Species are generally tagged without a universe and Dark Nights: Death Metal Robin King Vol 1 1 shows the Robin King making his own Anti-Living out of Animal Man's family from the Dark Multiverse, using the Anti-Life Equation. So since they exist across realities the DCeased reality tag should be removed. Also the only difference between DCeased Anti-Living and Robin King's Anti-Living is that the latter look like bats (maybe his own modification to them). But like DCeased Anti-Living, they're all about finding and devouring life. And it will be needless to create pages for them, when they can be added under one page. MatteJohnny (talk) 20:36, October 20, 2020 (UTC)

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