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James Corrigan (Lucifer TV Series) to The Spectre (Arrowverse)

Not sure if this is a good title, but there is no evidence that he is from Earth-666 (the Earth where Lucifer takes place).Ninja72 (talk) 23:27, January 24, 2020 (UTC)

But he is James Corrigan. Who already exists. --Tupka²¹⁷ 16:09, February 10, 2020 (UTC)

Like I said, idk if this is a good title or not, but there is no evidence this one is from Earth-666, so it shouldn't be called (Lucifer TV Series). It can't be called James Corrigan (Arrowverse), because that title is already used for the one from Earth-1. Someone else suggested it should be moved to James Corrigan II (Arrowverse), which might be a better title than what I suggested.Ninja72 (talk) 20:00, February 10, 2020 (UTC)

Well, from what I can tell, regarding the article,

- the contents only mention Arrowverse, and never mention Lucifer, so, right then, the title isn't good.

- In Wikipedia (yes, Tupka217, competition), Stephen_Lobo#Television just credits him in Arrowverse (I did watch the Arrow episode of Crisis, but never watched Lucifer show).

So, as far as I see it, given that Constatine is also Arrowverse, either

- the above suggestion of moving to James Corrigan II (Arrowverse) (for me, having II in the title, is a bit poor),

- or... think about this, merging the articles in the article that already exists in arrowverse (wait, what? but the actors are different... Yes, I know. Maybe the previous actor was unavailable to be on crisis episodes, maybe the production decided to recast)

- move to James Corrigan (Arrowverse Crisis) --- added the Crisis in the title.

That's all, folks. :) (The)Batmagoo(BatmanMagoo) (talk) 17:19, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

He was listed as Lucifer because he might be from Earth-666 - which has a Lucifer played by Tom Ellis. One of the earlier suggestions was to move him to Arrowverse: Earth-666, IIRC. --Tupka²¹⁷ 17:28, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

"he might be from Earth-666"... might?! So, now, the titles are guesses?! I only watched the Arrow episode of Crisis: in another Arrowverse Crisis episode, a Lucifer appeared, is that it? and was portrayed by the same actor in Lucifer TV show, is that it? (The)Batmagoo(BatmanMagoo) (talk) 17:34, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Sigh.

He was listed as Lucifer TV Series because when Crisis came out, we held off on making new universe pages and just reused TV series like Smallville and BoP for 167 and 302 or 203 or w/e. As Jim was implied to be from a different universe than John and was an acquaintance of Lucifer, it wasn't a stretch. But it's time for an update. At this point, I think The Spectre (Arrowverse) and James Corrigan (Arrowverse: Earth-666) are probably the least bad. (Arrowverse Crisis) is a big no. --Tupka²¹⁷ 17:42, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Sigh (I can write that, as well). Like I said: "he might be from Earth-666"... might?! So, now, the titles are guesses?!

So, in conclusion, if Earth-666 is not a reality fact with this character, James Corrigan (Arrowverse: Earth-666) is a very bad title (it states something none of us really know)... Meaning, that leaves only The Spectre (Arrowverse) (oh, wait, gone right back to where this discussion began) :) (The)Batmagoo(BatmanMagoo) (talk) 18:10, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Since there is not really any proof that his universe is Earth-666, I don't think it should be (Arrowverse: Earth-666).Ninja72 (talk) 04:26, July 19, 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to call this one dead and keep it as is. --Tupka²¹⁷ 16:30, October 10, 2020 (UTC)

Why? The title is pure speculation. Purgatory seems to be multiversal, meaning anyone from any Earth could be there. If that was Earth-666's Purgatory, why would Oliver be there? Just because they went from Earth-666 to Purgatory, it doesn't mean this Jim Corrigan is from Earth-666. He could easily be from any other Earth.Ninja72 (talk) 12:08, October 17, 2020 (UTC)

Just call it James Corrigan (Arrowverse: Purgatory). The Spectre is a codename that he passed to Oliver and we know his real name, which is the same as another Arrowverse character. If Purgatory was part of Earth-666, why does it look like Earth-1's Lian Yu? Did Lucifer even have a Lian Yu? If it did, I doubt that it would be the same as Arrow. SeanWheeler (talk) 23:50, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Wait, I said what? Spectre (Arrowverse) has my vote now. --Tupka²¹⁷ 10:21, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

So, are we going to rename this page? It has been over a year.Ninja72 (talk) 22:26, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Iris West II (Dark Multiverse: Flash Forward) to Iris West II (Prime Earth)

Although they were created in the Dark Multiverse, it seems their permanent residence is now in Prime Earth. With Linda now having memories of her kids back, it seems better to label them for Prime Earth with notation of creation in the Dark Multiverse. --BrawnyOak 16:47, February 21, 2020 (UTC)

According to Scott Lobdell, they're meant to be the New Earth versions of the kids, but that wasn't clear in the story itself and the source is a supposed account he made on the CBR forums. Until there's a better source for that, I think making it Prime Earth -- despite that not making sense with what we've seen -- is at least preferable to their current titles. SpeedyGeney (talk) 02:30, March 7, 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the move and the reasons. MatthewOne (talk) 03:29, March 7, 2020 (UTC)

I also agree. --1137a (AL) (Earth-1218) (talk) 17:45, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

Hello guys, I saw this and decided to message the author Scott Lobdell himself on Instagram to solve your conundrum. He confirmed the kids were pre-Flashpoint, though he also said he doesn't know whether they changed it currently. However as we have seen, there's bene no change in their past. So we can safely include the kids in New earth or Prime Earth (Because Linda remembers them so they can be included in PE). If you want a screenshot of the convo, I have it. Hope that helped. MatteJohnny (talk) 13:13, September 22, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, if you can post that, I THINK we should follow through with doing it? It seemed to have been unanimous last time, but there wasn't any approval from the admins or mods. We also see a flashback of the original, New Earth versions being absorbed into the Dark Multiverse, so it seems apparentn they're not constructs of the Dark Multiverse -- it's more likely they're outright the New Earth versions (since they couldn't have existed in Prime Earth's history), similar to Bart Allen and Hunter Zolomon, but if we don't add onto those pages, we could at least move them to Prime Earth. SpeedyGeney (talk) 14:13, October 10, 2020 (UTC)

I'll post it if the admins need it and are okay with the move. And I don't know why they haven't even responded since I posted about Scott Lobdell's reply. But these discussions seem to fall under the radar. MatteJohnny (talk) 17:04, October 10, 2020 (UTC)

If they are the New Earth versions, why should they be titled Prime Earth? They should be merged with their New Earth pages. SeanWheeler (talk) 23:50, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Because their histories have merged with the timeline of Prime Earth. That was shown clearly at the end of Flash Forward. It might be better to just retitle their New Earth pages to Prime Earth. Earth-Two characters who became a part of New Earth with their Earth-Two history (mostly) intact were given New Earth pages. MatteJohnny (talk) 07:59, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Personally, after re-reading the miniseries and adding the synopsis to all the issues, I think this: the following pages, Iris West II (New Earth) and Jai West (New Earth), Iris West II (Dark Multiverse: Flash Forward) and Jai West (Dark Multiverse: Flash Forward), and Iris West II (Prime Earth) and Jai West (Prime Earth) should all exist at separate entities, or we should turn the Dark Multiverse ones into Prime Earth ones. Collapsing them all in New Earth means we should do the same with Wally West and Linda Park, which is a no-no for me. It does not make sense. They do possess those memories, and Lobdell stated they are pre-Flashpoint, but isn't Wally the same? Also, I think they were re-created by Wally inside his nightmare universe, not transported from New Earth. He does not have that power. They maintained their New Earth identity because their father created them. For me, let's convert the Dark Multiverse: FF ones into Prime Earth ones, and then write the first section of their story telling how they were transported on Prime Earth by Fuginaut from a world created by Wally's nightmares. I'll write the part myself, no problem.Judas "Commander" Kidd (talk) 22:19, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. --- Haroldrocks talk 22:25, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Not against it. But the Flash Forward series portrayed the kids being taken by a mysterious world-eating black liquid before the Flashpoint. That's what it seems from Flash Forward #4 to me. But, Wally is also shown as being sent into the speed force by the Flashpoint rather than by Abra Kadabra like it was earlier claimed. So, nothing wrong in shifting them to Prime Earth, because Wally like them is actually from pre-Flashpoint era as well. If he can be kept in Prime Earth, so can they. MatteJohnny (talk) 22:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, MatteJohnny I reviewed the panel you were talking about, and you are right, it seems they were transported. You can explain like: Wally created his dark world so fast, that the Dark Matter composing it was able to save Jai and Iris before everything fell apart. So they are the New Earth boys probably. But I think things do not change: Wally himself is New Earth, and like we both said, he still has his New Earth and Prime Earth page. I really do think this move, the Dark Multiverse ones to Prime Earth ones, is the only one making sense.Judas "Commander" Kidd (talk) 09:58, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm okay with having one page for NE and one for PE, by moving the DM:FF pages to PE. Even from an organizational point of view, that makes more sense than merging all. Flash is a sticky continuity situation either way, and while some like Eobard can be explained away as "not really NE, but a possible future for NE and possible futures have survived reality altering events before (Legion, Tomorrow, Renegades)", present day characters don't have that luxury. --Tupka²¹⁷ 10:21, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Can we please move this already? It's been sitting for months and the author who introduced them already clarified they are from the main universe. MatteJohnny (talk) 05:09, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Jai West (Dark Multiverse: Flash Forward) to Jai West (Prime Earth)

Same argument as listed above. --BrawnyOak 16:47, February 21, 2020 (UTC)

Ray (Earth 10) to Langford Terill (Earth 10)

In Robert Venditti’s run on the Freedom Fighters they have somewhat revealed that The Ray of Earth 10 is apparently Langford Terrill AKA the First Ray. The reason as to why is because they have the original Black Condor, Human Bomb, and Doll Man in a flashback where they mention the lost of their members The Ray who could very well be Langford Terrill and Phantom Lady who could very well be the Sandra Knight. —- Makkat1 (talk) 18:12, July 10, 2020‎ (UTC)

Does this require a move? I don't think it was ever properly tagged. --Tupka²¹⁷ 16:30, October 10, 2020 (UTC)

Question moves

I would much rather give all of them "Vic Sage". Even for "Charles Victor Szasz". Because people looks for "Vic Sage". Not "did it start with a s or a z?". --Tupka²¹⁷ 18:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Any other ideas on this? --Tupka²¹⁷ 10:21, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Vic Sage (Earth-4) to Victor Sage (Earth-4)

Vic is short for Victor. Horrorcomicnerd (talk) 12:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a citation for that? -- SuperFan24K (talk) 17:18, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Vic Sage (Earth-Four) to Victor Sage (Earth-Four)

Same thing for his Earth-4 counterpart. Horrorcomicnerd (talk) 12:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a citation for that? Given Ditko's love of strange (and short) names, it's possible his given name is Vic. -- SuperFan24K (talk) 17:05, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Victor Sage (Earth-22) to Charles Victor Szasz (Earth-22)

Charles Victor Szasz was his real name prior to Prime Earth. Horrorcomicnerd (talk) 12:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Note on the Talk page for Charles Victor Szasz (New Earth) that we are discussing moving that page to either Charles Szasz (New Earth) or Victor Szasz (New Earth). So now is probably not a good time for this move. -- SuperFan24K (talk) 17:15, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Victor Sage (DCAU) to Charles Victor Szasz (DCAU)

Same thing for his Earth-22 counterpart. Horrorcomicnerd (talk) 12:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Note on the Talk page for Charles Victor Szasz (New Earth) that we are discussing moving that page to either Charles Szasz (New Earth) or Victor Szasz (New Earth). So now is probably not a good time for this move. -- SuperFan24K (talk) 17:16, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Victor Sage (Lego Batman) to Charles Victor Szasz (Lego Batman)

He is based on his New Earth counterpart. Horrorcomicnerd (talk) 12:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Note on the Talk page for Charles Victor Szasz (New Earth) that we are discussing moving that page to either Charles Szasz (New Earth) or Victor Szasz (New Earth). So now is probably not a good time for this move. -- SuperFan24K (talk) 17:16, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Category:Wonder Woman's Love Interests to Category:Diana of Themyscira's Love Interests

Personal names (or regal in her case) should be used to avoid confusion. Agreed Diana is the prominent Wonder Woman, but Kal-El is also the prominent Superman. I was accidentally going to add Damian Wayne (DCeased), until I saw it was only about Diana. MatteJohnny (talk) 01:30, September 28, 2020 (UTC)

Emmaline Brady (New Earth) to Mary West (New Earth)

I can't find a source for "Emmaline Brady". DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 17:49, October 12, 2020 (UTC)

Those Who Ride the Lightning: Mary West says that Mary West's maiden name may or may not be Rhodes. It says nothing about Brady. SuperFan24K (talk) 19:01, October 12, 2020 (UTC)

This page was originally Mary West (New Earth) and was changed to Emmaline Brady West (New Earth) back in March 2008. There's nothing about it in the Move discussions archives, which only go back to November 2008. SuperFan24K (talk) 19:38, October 12, 2020 (UTC)

That's too strange. And all the other websites I could find that used the name "Emmaline Brady" seemed to source back to us. I have no idea where that name could've come from. Even if there is a source, it definitely needs to be added as a note. Good catch either way. --- Haroldrocks talk 20:26, October 12, 2020 (UTC)

I suggest the name being changed to Mary Rhodes. Who's Who Update 88 #4 does say her brother is Edgar Rhodes, just like Hyporborea says. The other comics didn't change it. Hyporborea says the The Life Story of the Flash provides possible contradictory information since Charlotte Rhodes married Edgar. That however doesn't have to make it contradictory. It's quite possible that the authors/editors decided to make Charlotte Mary's sister-in-law or it's just an error. But except this one possible error, every book mentions Edgar Rhodes as Wally's uncle. MatteJohnny (talk) 04:29, October 13, 2020 (UTC)

I still think that Mary West is a better choice, given that she was probably never actually called "Mary Rhodes" anywhere. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 13:24, October 15, 2020 (UTC)

We are only assuming her maiden name is Mary Rhodes, because her brother's name is Edgar Rhodes. But strange things can happen in families. I thing we need in-story confirmation (which isn't coming, as New Earth is dead) to go with Rhodes. SuperFan24K (talk) 14:51, October 15, 2020 (UTC)

Edgar Rhodes is her brother in law. He was married to Charlotte West, Rudy's sister. --Tupka²¹⁷ 16:46, October 18, 2020 (UTC)

Anti-Living (DCeased) to Anti-Living

Species are generally tagged without a universe and Dark Nights: Death Metal Robin King Vol 1 1 shows the Robin King making his own Anti-Living out of Animal Man's family from the Dark Multiverse, using the Anti-Life Equation. So since they exist across realities the DCeased reality tag should be removed. Also the only difference between DCeased Anti-Living and Robin King's Anti-Living is that the latter look like bats (maybe his own modification to them). But like DCeased Anti-Living, they're all about finding and devouring life. And it will be needless to create pages for them, when they can be added under one page. MatteJohnny (talk) 20:36, October 20, 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - The bat thing isn't the only difference. As DCeased's Bruce Wayne says in the quote on the Anti-Living page their anti-living don't actually eat. They just infect or kill. Whereas Animal Man was definitely eaten by Robin King's strain of Anti-Living. Also so far the DCeased Anti-Living have only spoken when forced too by the Lasso of Truth, even though there have been times where speaking would've benefitted them, for instance the infected Billy Batson could've turned back into his superpowered form by saying SHAZAM! when he's locked away in the Bludhaven Orphanage but doesn't do so. Whereas Robin King's have spoken of their own violation. - Mr Rinn (talk) 17:40, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

The eating part being a difference is true, it might be Robin King's own modification. But the Anti-Living can actually speak without the Lasso of Truth, it is shown in DCeased #6 after the infected Wonder Woman frees herself of the lasso and beheads Cyborg. Also Wonder Woman in DCeased: Hope at World's End issue 15 says to Black Adam she knows he can speak. It also has Superman destroy Black Adam's vocal chords so he can't say Shazam, which won't make sense if only the Lasso could make them speak. Why Billy Batson didn't do it, I don't know. It's surely a contradiction.

Also it's the virus which actually speaks, not the host, the issue says this explicitly. In DCeased #6 Cyborg explicitly talks to the Anti-Life virus' hive mind, the infected Diana only says "we" when talking. The virus can talk of its own volition and Diana is shown talking without the lasso. Why the virus won't talk to humans is not stated, but I guess it doesn't do so because it only wants to devour life. MatteJohnny (talk) 18:22, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't have an especially strong opinion. I think the speculation that the differences are because of Robin King's modifications is just that - speculation - but I think either way, these differences could just be mentioned in a singular article. I think as long as the basic concepts are the same - a race of zombie people infected by the Anti-Life Equation - I'm fine with the species page being shared.

For example, look at, I don't know, Cyclopes. They appear all over the place but rarely look exactly the same. As long as the basic concept is there - big lumbering mythical creatures with one eye - we count them as such. Same thing in my mind. --- Haroldrocks talk 18:58, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Mister Mxyzptlk (New Earth) to Mister Mxyzptlk (Fifth Dimension) and Bat-Mite (Prime Earth) to Bat-Mite (Fifth Dimension)

Guys, I'm currently re-reading Snyder's run on Justice League, Justice League Vol 4, and I think there is some mess about the Imps in general: they ae beings of the Fifth Dimension, and they are not directly changed or "retconned" by crises or things like that. For how I understood Snyder's new cosmology, the Imps are Fifth Dimensional beings that are not subject to distinctions, like Bat-Mite (New Earth version) and Bat-Mite (Prime Earth version), but just exist and are always the same. The fact they remember and sometimes talk about previous continuities supports this.

Just like Sixth Dimensional beings, I think they should all be renamed with the "Fifth Dimension" tag, and all their versions should collapse there. Mxy for example does not have a Prime Earth page, it redirects to the New Earth version where all his history is present. I think this also confirms there should be only one page, Mister Mxyzptlk (Fifth Dimension). Same with Bat-Mite. Let's start with those two, the most important ones. Tell me what you think. Judas "Commander" Kidd (talk) 19:12, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't like that, but it could make some things so much simpler. Though I have a vague memory of New Earth Mxy meeting past versions. --Tupka²¹⁷ 19:23, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

I mentioned to JudasCommanderKidd on my talk page that I didn't mind the idea. I don't know if I necessarily support merging ALL the properties though. I'm pretty sure I remember a spread from Superman: Reborn that said Mxy was the same person across literally EVERY interpretation of the character across all media, including Lego Batman, which I think is a bit overkill. But New Earth and Prime Earth Mxy and Bat-Mite make sense to merge to me. --- Haroldrocks talk 20:28, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I was ambitious saying all versions. Starting with Prime and New is absolutely fine. I'll look again to the source material, and see if I can find the right issues where everything is explained. Thing is, Snyder rebooted and changed things with his run. He respected a lot the previous hierarchy and the big events, but I'm pretty sure Imps are not different versions of themselves after a crisis. Merging Prime and New is more than fine for me, it was my main goal in making the request. Judas "Commander" Kidd (talk) 21:04, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Searched for some material. The key issue is Justice League Vol 4 19 where Mxy explains they live outside Space and Time, which is obvious being them from a Fifth Dimension, higher than both Third, space, and Fourth, time. Given that Flashpoint is mainly a Time-related reboot, you could say that the Imps are not influenced by it. It's not an indisputable proof, but still it's solid. And also the Sixth Dimensional beings reincarnate in different versions of themselves after a crisis, but they maintain memories and all. Also, Mxy seeing past versions of himself is something he can easily do with his powers after all. He could summon a LEGO Mxy wherever, whenever he wants to. I'd say that treating them as "superior entities" given they are outside time and space makes sense.Judas "Commander" Kidd (talk) 21:12, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

I recall that Roscoe Coaltrane spoke of working on making a separate page for Mister Mxyzptlk in Prime Earth, so you might be stepping on his toes if you went through with this. In any event, if New Earth and Prime Earth versions of 5D imps will be merged, then Earth-One and Earth-Two versions should probably be merged into them as well. Kerfuffles2 (talk) 20:45, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Mxy shouldn't be getting a separate Prime Earth page to begin with? As far as I'm aware? That was the point of redirecting it to the New Earth page. Was there a larger discussion about that anywhere? --- Haroldrocks talk 22:15, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

In our conversations, Roscoe Coaltrane spoke of gathering material for a separate Prime Earth Mxy page. I neither know nor care about Prime Earth anything, so you'd have to ask him. There is also the problem that he's been inactive for months, though I've eagerly anticipated his return to his old activity levels from the spring. All I know is that if it's being decided that the Fifth Dimension is a higher plane of reality than the Multiverse, that there retroactively only exists one Fifth Dimension, and that Mxy from NE and PE belongs in that universe designation category, that E1 and E2 Mxy should probably also be folded in, seeing as they too came from (versions of) the Fifth Dimension. And don't forget about Qwsp. Kerfuffles2 (talk) 08:17, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Hell, it would be a lot of work, and some messy stuff to do to be honest. Mxy did explain that the Fifth Dimension is like the blood of the Multiverse, flowing across time and space in all existence. After all, it is imagination itself. But it's not an higher plane of reality, it is a component of the Multiverse. The Sixth Dimension is the only plane higher than the Multiverse, because the guys there created it. But also, we spoke here about the fact that many times across different comics and media, Mxy tells that there is only one version of himself. Just like the Monitor, the Anti-Monitor and the Forger, he gets recreated but without losing identity.

Still, the main problem for me was the fact there wasn't a Prime Earth version of him. Maybe it's better to not put all the eggs in one basket like I suggested, because it really looks messy. Let's wait on Roscoe Coaltrane and his Prime Earth page, then maybe we can talk about it once again.Judas "Commander" Kidd (talk) 10:21, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Vandar Adg to Vandal Savage

Similar to Darkseid, I believe Vandal Savage is more SEO friendly. Plus Vandal Savage is treated as his name, he even passes on the Savage surname to his kids.--MysteryScooby (talk) 23:50, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Alien Monster to Veidt's Creature, Alien Monster (Watchmen) to Veidt's Creature (Watchmen), and Alien Monster (Watchmen TV Series) to EDBE (Watchmen TV Series)

Tupka made a very good point that the name "Alien Monster" kinda sucks. The thing is, the creature doesn't have a name, except for the HBO version, which has the government-granted label of "Extra-Dimensional Biological Entity". Still, since it has no name, we can call it "Rainbow-Sparkle Thing" and it'd still be accurate, but we can at least do better than "Alien Monster". "EDBE (Watchmen TV Series)" is just the logical move for the HBO version, since it's the closest thing to a name it has. "Veidt's Creature (Watchmen)" is the closest thing to a name it has, outside of "Alien Monster" or "Alien Creature", both of which are incredibly vague, so the move works. And making "Veidt's Creature" the disambig page's name will just reduce confusion. -- OliverMichaelWest 14:56, January 12, 2021 (UTC)

I also already created the page "Veidt's Creature" as a redirect to "Alien Monster", so for that change, which would be the most significant, you could just switch the disambig and redirects around. -- OliverMichaelWest 12:37, January 14, 2021 (UTC)

Final Bruce Wayne (Dark Multiverse) to Batmanhattan (Dark Multiverse)

"Final" Bruce Wayne is just an appellative for this Bruce. It makes more to sense to use Batmanhattan as this is the alias which various characters used to describe him. Cmanigold 15:56, Juanuary 13, 2021 (UTC)

Batmanhattan is also an appellative. He never used that for himself and the name isn't used by a lot of people. Actually I think it was only used by BWL, unless I'm not remembering it correctly. MatteJohnny (talk) 23:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Sure it is but the use of Batmanhattan works better than Final Bruce Wayne; it's like a moniker and it is not much different from Batom or Batmobeast; Final is just used to describe his omnipotence. I also think that the choice of an appellative like the one we're currently using may justify the creation of Dark Multiverse page like Sinestro Batman or Cannibal Batman whose namings would be totally uncorrect.Cmanigold 13:16, Juanuary 14, 2021 (UTC)

I don't see any point in one appellative being better than another, if it's just used by others. Batom and Batmobeast are actual names used by the characters who are called so. I'll leave it up to the admins. Besides every character doesn't need a page. Especially given that those like Sinestro Batman or Cannibal Batman have little to no details for their biography. And are insignificant. MatteJohnny (talk) 12:31, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Tigers (Earth-AD) to Tiger-Men

There's no real difference between the Tigers of Earth-AD and the ones that have shown up in the various universes of the Multiverse in past. Can be easily shifted. MatteJohnny (talk) 17:04, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

This would need to be applied to all of the Animal-Men. --Tupka217 (talk) 13:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Apollo (Future State) to Andrew Pulaski (Future State)

I hadn't seen Apollo's Prime Earth page Andrew Pulaski (Prime Earth), before adding his appearance in Superman: Worlds of War. Since the Prime Earth page lists his name as Andrew Pulaski and Future State is a possible future of Prime Earth, his article's name should be shifted to Andrew Pulaski (Future State). MatteJohnny (talk) 18:11, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I changed the name to be moved to Andrej Trojan (Future State), as revealed in Future State: Superman: Worlds of War #2. And also change his alignment from Neutral to Bad. FabioEscorpiao (talk) 19:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Christopher Abar (Watchmen TV Series) to Christopher Doyle (Watchmen TV Series), and Emma Abar (Watchmen TV Series) to Emma Doyle (Watchmen TV Series)

Did some quick research to be sure, and no, Doyle is not usually a first name. Given that we go with birth names, and we know their father's name was Doyle, I think this makes more sense. Rosie doesn't have a page yet, for those wondering where she is. -- OliverMichaelWest 14:20, January 24, 2021 (UTC)

While we do like to use birth names for Pagename if known, we do want to be sure about the birth name. Doing things like assuming a character's birth name is their father's last name has caused problems before. - SuperFan24K (talk) 17:05, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Edward Nygma (Batman: Under the Red Hood) to Edward Nigma (Batman: Under the Red Hood)

Seen in DC Showcase: Batman: Death in the Family (1). - Nalka123 (talk) 07:12, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Mister Phillips (Watchmen TV Series) and Ms. Crookshanks (Watchmen TV Series) to Jon's Creations

Phillips and Crookshanks grow asexually from the same place, in the same way, making them the same race. I don't think "Phillips and Crookshanks" is a good name for a species, and they are Jon's creations, so I feel like it's a good name for them. -- OliverMichaelWest 13:16, January 26, 2021 (UTC)

Disagree. Jon's creations is way too generic of a name for a page, especially when those creations already have names like "Phillips and Crookshanks". A situation like this is unprecedented, so it's easier just to separate the male form of the species from the female. --Haroldrocks (talk) 15:57, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't think it needs a separate race category. This can just be explained in the character history. --Tupka217 (talk) 13:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

New Atlantis (Earth-9) to New Atlantis

As a location, it shares at least two different universes in at least two different planets: it's a city in the USA in Earth-9 and a city on Neptune in the 853rd Century. FabioEscorpiao (talk) 19:32, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Justice League International Book 2:Around the World (Collected) to Justice League International Book 2: Around the World (Collected)

I messed up and didn't put a space after the colon... -- SuperFan24K (talk) 00:23, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

The Question (Future State) to Question V (Future State)

A new user decided to name him simply "The Question" even though he wasn't the first. Naming conventions specify we should use the full codename and using numbering has been common to avoid confusion with others who used the name. Besides there is already a previous Question in Future State whose full name is not known. Hence I ask the admins to move it to Question V. MatteJohnny (talk) 04:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

New Teen Titans Omnibus Vol 1 (Collected) to The New Teen Titans Omnibus Volume One (Collected)

The indica of the title as well states "The New Teen Titans Omnibus Volume One". Also the subsequent volumes are mentioned in this way as well in their indica. MatteJohnny (talk) 06:42, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Wonder Girl (Reality Undetermined) to Dark Donna (Reality Undetermined)

While Wonder Girl is her real name, I believe her main alias is the preferable name. As her reality is undefined, I believe using her unique name would be better than her generic name.--MysteryScooby (talk) 17:11, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Bruce Wayne V (Lil Gotham) to Zebra Batman (Lil Gotham)

As we are moving away from "II" unless the character was named after the original, I this this page should lose the number distinguisher and use the character's unique alias.--MysteryScooby (talk) 17:11, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Karna to Karna (planet)

There is a character called Karna (New Earth), but when we click on her name the link directs us to the planet. After moving, we can create a disambiguation page. FabioEscorpiao (talk) 12:44, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Tatsu Yamashiro (Future State) to Tatsu Toro (Future State)

Since Katana is a future version of Tatsu Toro (Prime Earth), wouldn't she have the same maiden name?--MysteryScooby (talk) 02:31, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Surnames taken after marriage are avoided unless we have no other surname for them, as far as I've seen. MatteJohnny (talk) 17:06, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Vandal Savage (Once and Future) to Vandar Adg (Once and Future)

If we're against the Vandar Adg to Vandal Savage idea, then this Vandal Savage should be named Vandar Adg, as he is a future version of Vandar Adg (Prime Earth).--MysteryScooby (talk) 02:31, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Marcus of Rome (New Earth) to Marcus Tiberius (New Earth)

Full name revealed in The War That Time Forgot #2. FabioEscorpiao (talk) 21:36, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Winslow Schott, Jr. II (Arrowverse) to Winslow Schott, Jr. (Arrowverse)

He is the evil Toyman from another reality and he could be moved to this page as Earth-1 Winn Schott was never shown to exist. Cmanigold 22:30, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Sparta to Sparta, Greece

There is a character called Sparta (New Earth), but when we click on her name the link directs us to the Greek city. After moving, we can create a disambiguation page. FabioEscorpiao (talk) 20:40, 14 February 2021 (UTC)