I read Batman and Outsiders issues 1 and 2, but when Kaliber met Sofia he didn't claim Ishmael was from future. He only said Ishmael was working for Ra's al Ghul. Kaliber only himself claimed to be from future where Sofia saves humanity.
Young Justice is clearly taking place in Rebith, beccause the YJ Kon-El is similar to New Earth and it is shown that they have forgotten about him and each other'st past. That's not a part of New 52. Also Superman shows ignorance about him, which means he's different than New 52 Kon and that he has only been recently introduced into the universe. So clearly post-Rebirth.
About Suicide Squad's Mpst Wanted taking place before Rebirth, I'll need proof. Because Brown is shown to have stitches on his throat, and Lincoln March had slit his throat.
Brown is not the first person to be shown alive despite apparently dying. Dr. Netz is as well, despite her apparent death in New 52 Grayson, and she joined Leviathan under Mark Shaw.
The stitches were never said to be with a job from Waller. All he said was that he had a bomb planted through his neck which can be done after his throat was slit. And Batman Eternal can't be completely canon, because Selina's origins now reflect her New Earth one and Rex alabrese figures nowhere.
Then why would he bring up hurting Waller? Also, I really cant speak for Catwoman. Dont follow the series so idk about that, but Steph talks about her dead dad.
Also, it wouldnt make much sense since he knows who Batman is now.
Everything doesn't have to supposed to happen according to New 52. And why does he bring up hurting Waller? It's obvious because she made him do her dirty work for her.
Even if he still knew who Batman was, it wouldn't matter without proof. Why will be Steph asking where her dad is if he was really dead? SHe didn't say he was dead in YJ 14. This isn't the first time you reverted me because of New 52 despite me being correct. Let's not waste our time over it.
I checked Detective Comics 969 and there she says her dad is dead. But that doesn't explain the contradiction with YJ which is taking place alongside Superman events. And Waller usually plants brain bombs, so you're suggestion of putting two together is in the wrong place. It's possible that Stephanie only later came to know he's alive, which is why she's looking for him.
You talked about CSA still being dead and Jon only found them in the past because they were gone away when YJ came to Earth 3. However you forgot that Mobius destroyed all life on Earth 3 during Darkseid War. Earth 3 and CSA have been restored as attested by Perpetua and Apex Lex, they were shown alive in present time. This too is another useless debate started because you don't want to accept something contrary to your opinion. Once Brown too shows up alive in any comic in present time, I'm showing him as not dead.
I'm not totally clear on the rest of the debate, but I looked into the Suicide Squad issue being referenced, and the neck scar is 100% referencing having a bomb in his neck from being on the Suicide Squad - not having his neck slit by Lincoln March. I have no reason to believe that that comic can't take place before he died in Batman Eternal.
How do you know that neck scar is from an operation and not Lincoln March? He never said it himself. It could just as easily be they rescued him while he was dying and planted a bomb before closing the wound. And doesn't Amanda use brain bombs rather than neck bombs? Young Justice is clearly taking place in present time in main continuity and he's shown as still being alive.
I can say for a certainty that the neck scar in Suicide Squad was definitely from Waller's neck bomb. He shows the scar and says he wants to hurt Waller, which is just a way to show to the audience "I WAS ON THE SUICIDE SQUAD TOO IT WAS BAD THIS IS MY MOTIVATION FOR HELPING YOU" without literally putting it in a word bubble. There'd be no other reason to possibly show his neck scar in that panel. The fact that the incision was in the front of the neck and not the back of the neck or the head like it's shown other times is just the creative team taking liberties.
But, I'm pretty sure Young Justice is supposed to be present. I'm not 100% the best source, but by the fact that Tim Drake is using his new costume and name, I think that's a good enough indicator that this all takes place in the present, even if Cluemaster is shown / implied to be alive.*
Or he coul simply be pointing to his neck because that's where they inserted the bomb from. We aren't the writers of the comic Harold. And yes Young Justice is in present, because Kon-El has just returned and Superman has no recollection of memories with him too like his teammates. He only newly encountered him.
Ur muddling fact so that it makes sense to you. In fact u even used YJ in ur example and ignored a truth. In the YotV comic, it was said that the multiverse regenerated that reality like a body regenerates a cell in order to fix itself. A world that was previously destroyed. In YJ, we clearly see that CSA is somehow missing. Drake sasys they went missing and never came back. But the how are they back lte when their world was remade? Another example of how YJ doesnt line up.
The reason that I argued they were dead was cus the yotv issue hadnt released yet and they only made a cameo. When this issue released, I made no reverts to the pages, but u cant say they r back w/ out proof that the cameo isnt just a reference. And this has nothing to do w/ Rebirth as Perpetua stated so its all invalid to ur arguement thst Rebirth brought him back
So you're saying you still think you were correct? The CSA were missing but no one knew where they went, according to them they just left after runing them. No one knew what happened to them. It's not that YJ isn't lining up, it's simply you making assertions without real proof. How does this mean they're dead? Can't they leave or go to mission on another place?
You took this as CSA being dead, even though by Darkseid War the entire planet had been destroyed. So if Earth 3 was resurrected, there was no reason to not assume CSA wasn't. Yet you wanted to use Forever Evil and Darkseid War as the reason to say they weren't. So the "multiverse healing itself" clearly happened before YJ Vol 3 showed Earth 3.
The doom symbol appeared in present time clearly after Rebirth everywhere, not in past, but you refused to accept this. Superman also showed them alive but you kept claiming it might be in the past (without proof). Even if they made a cameo in YotV, they were shown alive in present time on Earth 3.
This does have to do with Rebirth which you don't understand. Dr. Netz was killed in Grayson but she's alive in Leviathan Dawn. Rebirth retcons a lot of things from New 52, something you don't want to accept and we are in a post-Rebirth world now.
Again, it doesnt take a smart person to put 2 things together. Why else would they be gone for years? How would they have gotten to PE? How did they come back? So plot hole there
And Earth 3 didnt come back in Darkseid War if thats what ur sayin? It happend sometime after, but before YJ or yotv. Um so I dont understand what the disagreement there is. I might be misreading
The Doom symbol in the past is mixing up facts. When Jon went to Earth 3, he went to the past version of it and lived there for years, which is how he aged. The symbol was at first an unconfimed cameo of Earth 3 and we didnt consider them as back since they werent explained yet nor did they actually interact w/ characters. Ask Tupka if u still have a question about it.
And no,it doesnt. even if we put aside that she and her sister could both have survived, u cant use one resurrection to say it explains another. Thats like saying everyone is now alive in PE. There are numerous times where no recent reboot hasd happened and characters show up from the dead and actually act as big villains. Comics do that a lot.
Where did it say they were gone for years? They maybe the CSA but they're not people who just keep always sitting around. Heck the CSA has been shown trying to conquer other places in past. And it was also stated that Earth 3 had been basically ruined, turned into a craphole which explains why they left. It's not a plot hole, it's just you not wanting to accept you were wrong the whole time and making up just about anything wih any excuse you can think of. Why will Earth 3 be called home of CSA when they've been dead anyway.
How exactly the multiverse repaired Earth 3, please explain me that? Is that too a plot hole for you? Jon was never said to have gone to a past version, you made that up even when there was no such proof. The doom symbol appeared at the same time everywhere, there was no reason for you to assume it happened in the past or was a mistake. I remember tht conversation because I was part of it.
Just like you didn't want to accept CSA was alive, you don't want to accept Cluemaster is. You are not always right and it's time to accept that. Yes comics bring back dead characters, but always with explanations.
They left cus anti monitor ate their world. And then they all died and then the rebooted versions never left and had no recollection of Forever Evil. They didnt just abandon it. And Steph of Earth 3 in YJ mentions they were gonna go to PE. Except these new versions, according to yotv never went to PE or met SUperman and Lex.
And again, I already explained the healing thing, so no plot hole there. And again, u seem to not understand the arguement at all. So, if u can actually read, lemme make this clear. According to Superman #10, Jon went to a past version of Earth 3, as stated by Jor El, thats not connected to this.
U just dont like to accept that ur wrong and no one agrees w/ u but ur still tryna keep ur ego intact. I thought the discussion board would have proved this to you.
Read all of it. No such thing was ever said. All Steph of Earth ever said that Ultraman was obsessed with PE which is why he had a multiversal map. YotV never stated they were new versions or didn't know Superman or Lex.
In fact they knew about Luthor even before they gained Perpetua's favor, how do you think that's even possible? Besides I read Superman #10 and it doesn't say he went to a past version of Earth 3.
What he says he was thrown back in time and he has caught up to today, at which time Earth 3 should be destroyed or CSA should have disappeared even if it wasn't because Darkseid War happened long before.
And a fact is unlike you, I'm ready to accept that I'm wrong with real proof. Using some discussion boards about people not liking Batgirl-Batman sec not accepting that Killing Joke wasn't the first time she showed any attraction or that Robin only had an unrequited crush on her, and then refusing to get over themselves over the Killing Joke is not my fault.
But the thing is there people don't waste mine or their time, and it's a place for people to be free of editing. You are wasting everyone's time here over a simple edit you don't want to accept is a fact. No matter how wrong you are proven.
Now I want you to prove the following things with real evidence: 1) Suicide Squad takes place before Rebirth. 2) The scars on Cluemaster's neck are from Waller's bomb (she uses brain bombs usually not neck ones). 3) Young Justice #14 wasn't taking place during current continuity.
And btw here's the proof that I'm ready to accept that I might not be right or not know for sure: I don't have real solid proof that Cluemaster's neck scar was from Lincoln March or Waller's operation. Now try saying I have an ego, because I have proven I don't.
Um they knew Perpetua. The whole multiverse did. She blew up some worlds. And reread it. I swear its there. Jor El says so when he pulls Jon back. And even if it wasnt, wouldnt that confirm ths Ultraman is not the odl one cus he doesnt know Supes?
1. Ive explained this twice. Diablo aint on the rebirth team and he meets N52 Batsy
2. Common sense. Thats how
3. Well its in continuity, just not all of it fits in.
But im tired of this. Is anyone else around to weigh in? Please?
I didn't talk about them knowing Perpetua, but Luthor. They never met Perpetua and her "court" before, that's why they tried curry favoring.
Besides I read the same issue, try reading Jor-El's whole statement, not bits and pieces. In the same statement Jor-El says Jon was thrown back in time (might be misreading), he says Jon caught up to the present. But Jor-El had just met Jon on Earth 3, so if he went back in time on Earth 3 and catched up to "present" how is CSA alive? Jor-El's talking about Jon doing it at the same place here, according to your logic the CSA should be dead. But they aren't.
How do you know Cluemaster wasn't on the Rebirth team? It's not necessary all members will be shown in a comic. I don't remember him in New 52 SS either. What common sense are you talking about anyway here? All you're doing is speculating that he simply got from a surgery. Common sense is that Waller does brain bombs usually. But that common sense doesn't matter to you.
What fits in continuity and what doesn't regarding YJ? Are you working at DC? Please explain. If you can't find a good reason to oppose others aren't going to be able to help you. Numbers don't matter in front of facts and evidence.
Lex was acting as her voice around the multiverse, so it makes ense theyd know him. Now the Jor El thing has me confused. If thats true, we have reachrd another problem. Why does Lex tell Perpetua he met and killed them? Forever Evil, or at least the core plot wasnt scrubbed away.
Diablo never in N52 SS? Did u even read any of it? Hes there most of the time.
And Waller used neck bombs before in NE. She even mentions in the 1st issue of the n52 title that this isnt her 1st squad. There were 6 or so other versions which included Savant, who was on the team at the start of N52 but had served for years, Bronze Tiger and Nightshade, and the original suicide squad which was in that crossover event. Its possible.
When did the CSA hear Lex's voice? And even if they did he didn't tell them his name. So how come you say merely by his voice they know in. Why does Lex tell pereptua he met and killed them? because it happened and now they're revived. I never even said Forever Evil and Darkseid War was made non-canon. What are you making this about?
I already know she has used neck bombs before, I read New 52 SS where they are shown using it. That's why I said she usually uses brain bombs, not that she only uses brain bombs, and the Cluemaster never appeared. I'm not talking about EL Diablo appearing. And regardless I want proof that the scar was from surgery not speculation.
So according to you all Suicide Squad do not need be shown in comics. But that doesn't prove when Cluemaster was a member. I need proof whether he was a member during New or Rebirth. Until now you have given nothing. Wikis don't work on "possible".
Well, for one, I dont think theyd be fine about Lex killing them...
The wikis work on logic lol. And u even asked where was El Diablo. I answered. For Cluemaster, I dont get whats not to get from reading. He said neck bomb and shows a scar. Thats it. Ur arguing for the sake of it. On top of that, the scars don't line up, as we see Owlman slit the center of his throat and the stiches are on the left side. On top of that, Rebirth DC comics again, said hes dead.
They're criminals above all. They can't attack Lex and hope to gt away with someone who has the favore to fry them in an instant.
I didn't ask Diablo was on the Rebirth or New 52 Suicide Squad. That was a mistake, I meant to ask about Cluemaster but typed Diablo earlier. And try looking at Batman Eternal 51, Lincoln is never shown merely slitting the center, the way his blood flows all over his jacket doesn't even make it line up with the centre. In fact he's shown tryig to clutch the left side after falling down. And in issue 52 left side has more blood on it.
"On top of that, Rebirth DC comics again, said hes dead." But later he's said to be alive by his own daughter, it's not something she can't discoer later.
"Ur arguing for the sake of it." Am I? Or are you arguing because you don't want to accept?
Well picking at where the scar is doesnt change neck bombs or the old batman costume or anything either. I mean it looks like it was at the center, but maybe im just not looking at it right.
While this is possible, its also the same logic u said u didnt believe in, something is just "possible" only u used less evidence to back it
No all you're doing is speculation, before he swings his blade the knife is shown around the center but not touching the neck. "something is just "possible" only u used less evidence to back it". Except I was the one who said I do not need to be necessarily right, unlike you who doesn't want to concede he is wrong.
Tell me one place he said the scar was from the neck bomb. All he said was that he had a neck bomb and then showed them his neck. Rest you made up yourself. Whether it be about Young Justice or Superman or Year of the Villain or anything else.
That doesn't equate to him saying the scars are from it. And that said why are there no scars on his neck during New 52? Either they didn't read Batman Eternal or well it's after Batman Eternal, simple as that.
Fine. Drop Earth 3 if u disagree, even tho ive proven it. Her mom. She calls him grandpa like PE but he says he knew her mom, which in PE, he doesnt. In Ne he did, but thats cus hes Cassies dad., here, hes Cassies dads dad.
Hello Anotherbatmanfan. Why did you revert my edit on Lois Lane (Earth 3) by removing the deceased description next to her husband? Ultraman/Kal-Il is very much alive. You can see this in the latest Justice League issue No. 35. Her team is shown as alive on the 7th panel.
The same reason I undid the edit n Ultramans page. We decided that it was just a small error since they didnt play any role and in that same time, Young Justice confirmed that they died years ago when they went to what was left of Earth 3.
Yeah, they can change it. But I got this from tupka actually. I just have to enforce the set rules if I see someone break it. Although I agree with the admins on this, there are some rules I disagree on like character image rules but still have to follow it. Either way, u can try, nothings set in stone
No such thing is said in the Superman comics, not as far as I read about him recounting his ordeal. Which comic or issue do you refer to? If it's simply because they died in Darkseid War, Convergence could easily solve that. Jon says they habitually go to Prime Earth in Issue 9, which explains why they are absent sometimes.
I will repeat: Cadmus and Pegasus are two DIFFERENT characters. Pegasus is the son of Poseidon and Medusa, and was Perseus' mount. Cadmus is the son of Hermes and served Aphrodite. One has nothing to do with each other except that they are both winged horses.
There are differences between the New 52 and Rebirth versions of some characters. Pegasus (with capital "P") was one of them, but whether human or winged horse he remains the same Pegasus.
Cadmus is another pegasus (with tiny "p").
Pegasi as a name for the species is a modern invention, though - based on the latinization of the original Pḗgasos. There were other winged horses in Greek myths, mostly pulling the chariots of weather gods. The greeks never gave them a name except generic descriptions of winged horses or flying horses - so we don't even know whether all of them actually had wings. Personally, I have no issue renaming Pegasi (Species) to Winged Horses (or Flying Horses) - as Winged Victory is not an actual "pegasus".
Kadmos son of Agēnor was a normal man, not a winged horse, in myth.
The character Cadmus we're talking about (son of Hermes and servant of Aphrodite) is a winged horse that recently appeared in 'Wonder Woman'. It appears on the cover of #63 (vol 5), and first appeared on #58.
I mean I thought that would be the case since the Futures End Flash died and this Flash appears identical to the one in that. This Flash was also seen fighting evil versions of the Tornado Twins when Thawne showed Iris the future right before she killed him
The future flash seen in The Flash (Volume 5) #70 is likey a different version as he and the future he came from were erased from existence, caused by the younger flash in his very early career. Then the future shown with the tornado twins was shown to him years later by Thawne. Overall, I would say year one 'old man flash' was erased from existence, and the tornado twins future was an alternate future. Not sure how this undoes the flash's death in futures end, but oh well.