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    I am an up-and-coming editor entering the publishing world, hoping to become a developmental editor. If I could have, though, I would have majored in comic book culture and taught students about comic books. Alas. Still, working in publishing is a nice alternative. But my heart will always be aligned with comics.

    I love young heroes, and my DC specially is all things Titans-related. Any questions regarding Titans / Teen Titans / New Teen Titans — basically ANYthing Titans...I am your guy.
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  • As promised, I've been reading Vigilante on the side and have finished the issues that comprise Act I (#1-#11). This won't be an issue by issue breakdown, but general impressions and commentary.

    - I believe first three issues are the most important and set the tone for the subsequent issues. Issue #1 introduces Adrian as the violent yet justice seeking crime-fighter dealing with some dark, scummy criminals. While the thug Brand is easy to hate, Mr. Quilt, despite being deplorable in every other way, just wants to see his kid. Immediately we're made to know this isn't just a shoot'em up story, it's a complicated story with no clear hero. Nevertheless, we understand why Adrian is committed to his crusade, only to see that devotion shattered in issue #2 when we see the possibility that he attacks an innocent man come to fruition. Thus, he's forced to realign and refocus, even questioning his life as Vigilante in the first place. And finally in issue #3 we get to see his philosophy directly tested against another hero he respects in Cyborg (awesome cameo). The most common talking points surrounding the "should superheroes kill" debate are addressed up front, clearly define Adrian and his worldview, and establish that the comic is about something more him killing crooks - in fact, Adrian swears off killing unless in self-defense, which he affirms when he refuses to kill the Controller after J.J.'s death.

    - I think it's interesting who Adrian targets. He doesn't attempt to vanquish all crime in New York, he targets those who have evaded the law on technicalities or misfiled paperwork. He's intentionally attacking those who exploit the legal system, not those who disobey the law outright. So the series itself seems to be more about the failures of the court system, of the politics and human error that prevent criminals to be tried and convicted as intended. I think that sets Adrian a part from, say, the Punisher. His crusade is against the legal system more than it is on crime itself. Even when the mob families assembled to launch different crimes at once, Adrian was going after the Controller because of J.J. dying. His crusade is personal both in motivation and execution.

    - I like that Wolfman didn't firmly root the comic in ultra-realism, especially since Adrian got his start with the super-heroics of the Titans. His origins had a supernatural element to them, J.J. could invent any high-tech gadget he needed, the main antagonist in the Controller was almost all machine, etc. It added a sense of flare and fun to otherwise heavy subject matter in a way that didn't take away from the impact. At the same time, Adrian is far from Titans Tower. He operates out of a trailer it seems, with a computer whiz and a single-mom as his back-up. When he's hurt, he needs to go to the hospital and get the records scrubbed by hand. He operates at the mercy of the cops and the courts. I like that Wolfman distinguishes him from other vigilantes.

    - Ending this act with Adrian becoming Judge was an interesting move, even though we saw him act as one during Slade Wilson's trial. He was committed to his life as Vigilante full-time here, but to see that duality as a judge and as a vigilante will be fascinating to see going forward.

    Those are my most immediate thoughts. I'd be curious if you have any insights I haven't considered. I'll keep reading and post again here when I finish Act II. Until then.

    Take care,

    ~QQ

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    • Hey, Quilty. You finished Act I fairly quickly. Nice going. I reckon I'll give you a combination of my responses to your thoughts as well as some thoughts of my own, not necessarily separated as I tend to do for the Titans posts.

      You touch upon how the comic is not so rooted in ultra-realism. Indeed, despite the fact that Adrian's Vigilante is mostly a skill-type character, the stories of Act I have enough comic-book-y elements to keep it somewhat light, despite the weight of the themes addressed throughout. To me, Act I felt like it actually belonged in the "superhero" genre, with perhaps a splash of "secret agent" thrown in. This tone is present throughout Act I, the only act wherein Marv Wolfman both writes and edits the comic throughout. The reason the somewhat lighter tone can exist within this premise seems to be because Adrian felt like he had this cone of invincibility around him. With the death of J.J. and the departure of Terry, Adrian's outlook changes, and you already can see that in the final two issues of the act.

      As for the first three issues setting up Adrian's philosophy, Marv actually wrote in an editor's note that the comic reads better if you read issue #3 before issue #2. That way, you go from Adrian being extreme in issue #1, to him being softer and not wanting to face off against a hero he respects in issue #3, to coming to the striking realization in issue #2 that his strict ideals may be too rigid. Now, the comic still reads fine and makes sense as #1, #2 and #3, but either way works, interestingly enough.

      The philosophies expressed in this title vary as the series progresses, as adopted by Adrian Chase and other characters in the cast.

      Speaking of the cast, I liked the addition of Marcia King to Vigilante's supporting cast. She's intelligent but fun and frisky. Adrian's friend, the judge Alan Welles, offers him a judgeship, which he does not actually accept right away—yep, you jumped the gun a smidgeon on that assumption, haha. Oh well. You already know thanks to NTT that it does happen in due time. These two supporting characters become more important as the book progresses. What were your thoughts on them? How do they compare so far to J.J. and/or Terry? I must admit that I loved the gadgets and such that J.J. had been able to give Vigilante, giving him a really cool array of tools he can use, particularly his motorcycle. If I played a D&D version of Adrian Chase as Vigilante, the gadgets that J.J. gave Adrian really makes his character worth it for me. Although, that said, as I think about it, the healing at will and high charisma score would also make him a good choice … okay, I digress. Forgive the tabletop RPG references; I regularly listen to D&D-based podcasts.

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  • Not that I doubt you, but I'm the one who filled out the Ravers issues and I didn't see him named then. Where did it give his name?

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    • I enjoyed reading your thoughts on the various New Blood comics, and I'm glad to hear talking about the titles have made you nostalgic. I hadn't responded yet because I planned to read some of the titles and get back to you with my own impressions so that we could compare notes. Work life keeps me pretty busy, and I juggle a number of hobbies, although comics are the one I indulge the most. I have my own priority list for comic readings, but perhaps I can squeeze in some New Blood books so that we can chat about them. Happy reading! Let me know if rereading Bloodbath gives you additional thoughts.

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    • No problem , I wasn’t worried about you not responding because I know we’ve all got things going on. I’ve got several things lined up both on here and irl for me as well. But I’m always excited to talk New Bloods with someone so if you do read some, it’d be great to hear your impressions.

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  • And I'm sorry for going off on you

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  • Hey N8! I wanted to to take you up on your offer and message you on some Titans comics I'm reading. At your recommendation, I took a brief hiatus from NTT to read Dan Abnett's Titans Hunt mini-series.

    And wow, what a read! I thought I'd space it out over the course of a few days, but I enjoyed it so much I binge-read the all eight issues today! Naturally, I have some thoughts I'd like to share and some questions I'd like to ask.

    I'll start with the former.

    -I really enjoyed Abnett's writing. The dialogue between the Titans had some nice, witty banter, very endearing. Even Mister Twister's loud-mouthed, black charisma monologues were captivating. But the narration took it to another level for me. I loved that the narration tonally shifted from character to character. More straightforward yet reflective for Roy Harper, more poetic and epic for Gnarrk, and culminating in a storybook introduction to open the final issue! I look forward to reading more by Abnett.

    -I love this cast of characters! I've always been fond of Dick Grayson, but I was equally excited to see heroes I am familiar with, but have not had as much exposure to. Roy Haroer was immeditaelty recognizable, and upon further recollection, I realized I encountered Mal, Gnarrk, and Karen from the Teen Titans cartoon. Hawk and Dove I know from both their appearance in Justice League Unlimited and the live action TV show.

    Lilith was the only one I was unfamiliar with, but her power set makes me immediately interested in learning more about her. And of course Garth and Donna Troy! As much as I was frustrated in their inability to remember each other, I will admit their fight on the beach into the Teen Titans clubhouse was one of my favorite moments.

    -I appreciate how accessible this comic was (for the most part). Abnett seemed to be striking a balance between creating an understandable jumping-on point to help newer readers be more comfortable with diving into his Titans series while also paying tribute to long time fans of Titans who I am guessing were disappointed with the Titans being disassembled at this point in time. I would be interested in hearing how an experienced reader like yourself reacted.

    -The last panel! What an awesome reference to the imminent return of Wally West! I'm not ashamed to admit that it gave me chills, and I'm really excited to start reading "The Return of Wally West."


    Now, a few questions:

    -Mr. Twister ... who is he, exactly? The comic explained him well enough - demonic sorcerer trying to bring a more menacing demonic being to Earth through the Titans - but I have to believe Abnett chose this particular villain due to him having some connection to the Titans outside of this context. To add onto that, do you know who this mysterious demon Mister Twister was serving?

    -Going off of that, the plot, felt a little convoluted. Perhaps I wasn't reading carefully enough. I gather that he was using Mal's powers to draw the Titans together with his demonic amplifier. And I even understand (in a suspension of disbelief kind of way) that Twister was using some form of demonic magic to control the Titans and essentially use their life-energy to free his master. But why did the Titans suddenly forget everything? Was that Lilith who wiped their minds, even her own, so they forgot their identity as Titans, and thus were useless to Twister? The source and reason for their amnesia, and the world's amnesia at that, was a little unclear to me.

    -Lastly, I'm confused as to what the original Titans roster looked like. I know at least one incarnation of the team was first formed by Dick Grayson, Wally West, and Garth, with Roy Harper and Donna Troy. This comic seemed to indicate that there were ten original Titans, and I recall in my post from the other day you mentioned there was in fact 16 original members. Could you help me sort this out?


    I think that's all I have for now. I apologize for the long-winded nature of this message, please don't feel obligated to read all of it or respond to every question, simply what you feel inclined to or what you have time for, haha. I will be continuing with NTT issue #9 and Dan Abnett's Titans series, and if your offer still stands, I'm sure I'll have questions to ask and thoughts to voice.

    Thanks for your help! It is much appreciated!

    ~QQ

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    • You're still Quilty to me, my friend. Based on your clues, I'll ascertain you're the third friend I"ve made on this wiki named Michael/Mike, ha. I like the new name, particularly now that I know its origin. I'm glad you liked that Starman title so much that it inspired your name (while the Titans still remain your user image). As for Mikaal Tomas' place in Starman lore, you're right on both accounts. He is briefly the Starman featured in comics between Gavyn and Payton. However, he makes a resurgence in the last few years of New Earth, becoming the first Starman to join the Justice League, alongside his new best friend, Congorilla (William Glenmorgan). I love the run of JLoA that includes him as a member, but that's partially because Donna Troy and Dick Grayson (as Batman) were leading the team, and because other former Titans, Supergirl and Jesse Quick, were also members at the same time. For a non-Titan, I really love Congorilla. Shade appears in that title, too.

      Noted on your other responses to my notes on issues #19-23. I have follow-up comments on the members of this roster of the NTT that I will bring up once you have completed issue #31. I think your interpretations of my explanation of the annual and the Brother Blood lineage/origin were spot-on. I hope you get a chance to read it someday, even if you have to buy the annual at a local comic shop or online. But you're caught up on what happened, so it's not necessary, really, unless you want to.

      Now, Teen Titans Spotlight. Issues #1-2 were extremely poignant, as you noted. I knew you would feel the impact of these issues. For being only two issues, there was a lot to unpack. I think you did so well enough, so I'll leave it at that. Considering the current political climate in relation to race, I knew this story would be even more powerful. I think it's important that you read these issues and understood what Starfire went through before her return to the NTT title. This way, you get to know why she went from being so aggressive to being a little less kill-on-sight. Comic readers at the time who didn't know about TTS were missing out. The point about Kory's actions having political consequences really made the world these characters live in feel more real to me.

      As for the Jericho storyline, I reviewed that solo arc a couple years ago. I'm sure another reading would help me notice more points to raise, but I think between what you said this time around and what I said back then, we've covered most of what can be said. I particularly liked how you noted how this story showed off Jericho's skills in combat. Beyond his power set, he is extremely capable. He even used throwing weapons, if I'm recalling correctly. Joey is just very impressive, and learning more about his past and how it connects to the present was very satisfying for me. Here is a link to my review. Treat the review as part of my comments here, in case I bring something up there that you would like to respond to.

      I know my response was a little short compared to the previous responses, but I think it's largely because you covered the main points so well. That, and I'm distracted by the PS5 announcement today and the launch titles set to come out with it—as well as the new D&D expanded rules also coming out in November that are effectively launching us into 5.5e, and I'm for it. I digress. I'll go ahead and tell you what you'll need to read after you knock out issues #24-31.

      You will need to pull up and read Blue Beetle (1986) issues #11-13. The NTT co-star for this arc involving Mento. Then you can read NTT v2 issues #32-34. Now, I tell you these issues in this order because BB #13 releases the same month as NTT v2 #32. Placing stories within a timeline between titles can be tricky. I want to think it makes the most sense that the content of those three BB issues take place before NTT #32 for a couple of reasons. For one, NTT issues #32-33 connect, leaving the only places the Blue Beetle arc fits in either before #32 or after #33. See, the events of the BB issues, though, seem distanced from the events of NTT #34, though, which continues that story thread with Mento. Because of this, I believe that it makes sense for the BB adventure to take place before NTT #32. The only snag is that in issue #32, the characters say it's only been days since the events of NTT issue #31. Now, the BB arc seemed to happen in the course of a day, so it's possible that the BB arc could fit in the timeline between NTT issues #31 and #32. But it's a tight fit. Either way, that's the best place I can imagine placing them. If you feel like you have a better suggestion of when events take place on the timeline after reading them in the order I suggested, I'm open to hearing said suggestion. Anywho, happy reading!

      Edit: Somehow, I am having trouble properly linking to my Jericho review on my review website. When you click on it, it'll take you to a Page Not Found screen. Just click the Home button and scroll to the bottom, and you'll find the Jericho page.

      Edit #2: I goofed and told you the next NTT reading assignment, the one with the Blue Beetle issues. The goof is that before you read those issues, I think it's probably best that you read the next Teen Titans Spotlight assignment first, especially since Mento makes an appearance there, and I want to make sure you have the timeline right for the Mento plot point. So, after you read NTT v2 #24-31, then you should read TTS #7-15. After you read that stretch of TTS issues, then you can read the aforementioned BB-NTT issues.

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    • Hey, Quilty. Or Mike, or whatever it is I settle on, haha. Just in case you didn't see the news that broke Thursday, a certain character that both you and I are probably fond of—Red X—is set to make his comic debut in January. It'll be part of the "Future State" event that showcases a possible future of the current mainstream universe. In it, there will be a Titans Academy. As someone with a list of every young character in DC Comics who has not yet been a Titan (over 300 heroic characters and nearly 200 villainous youngsters on a separate list—with the premise that one could potentially reform), the concept of Titans Academy sounds awesome to me. I look forward to seeing which characters are revealed to be enrolled / to have been enrolled in the institution. Part of me really hopes that characters who hadn't been Titans before are revealed to have been affiliated with the academy, but I'd also welcome completely original characters. I also hope that Red X is going to be a completely new character. I'd rather he be his own character rather than simply being a new identity for an existing character (a theory circulating online is that if he is an existing character, he'll be Damian Wayne; I hope not). What are your thoughts on this?

      Additionally, after you finish NTT v2 #32, if you would like, I could list out issues to look up to follow the individual stories of Hawk, Speedy, Flash and/or Aqualad. I would say Jason Todd as well, but his detour into the NTT book didn't really deter much from his regular adventures with Batman both before and after his tenure on the team. Also, Jason does not have a particular plot point that he was following while on the team. Hawk had his dealing with Don's death. Aqualad had his dealing with Tula's death. Speedy had his learning of his daughter Lian. Flash had his taking up his mentor's mantle. Jason simply came as Robin and left as Robin, ha. He had good character moments, but his life story wasn't as gutted during these stories. If you asked for info on Jason, though, I'd still give it.

      Anyway, hope you're well—healthy and surviving school decently enough. I know this time in the semester can be a bit cumbersome. Take care.

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  • Thank you for the recommended reading. It's been very helpful. I just finished her early Batman/Detective Comics stuff. My ranking of the first 6 stories are Batman #141, Batman #153, Batman #139, Batman #159, Detective Comics #233, Batman #144.

    • 141 was my favorite due to her saving everyone from the Moth
    • 153's 3-part story was engaging and fun to read
    • 139 introduced her and had her save everyone twice
    • 159 didn't have a lot of Betty but I did like her role and the plot was intriguing
    • 233 silly but enjoyable plot, she's not in it too much but she did help save the day
    • 144 I hated how they played her crush on Robin to death. It was stupid

    If you'd like to talk on Twitter, I'm @tsukiakari1203

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    • I'm not especially active on Twitter, but I reckon I'll follow for a follow.

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  • Hey N8, I had some questions about your Titans recommendations.

    Since I'm currently caught up with the New Teen Titans trades, I'm thinking on skipping ahead to Geoff John's run (which I've seen you recommend).

    I was wondering if there are any Titans related comics you'd recommend that were published in between these two eras. Specifically ones that are collected in trades.

    Also, does John's run have any spoilers for future NTT issues? If it does, I might just wait.

    Thanks, Leostales

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    • Wow, you truly do go above and beyond the call of duty when answering questions. Thank you so much.

      3 years is awhile, but that should definitely give me enough time to read Young Justice. I already own issues 60, 61, and 70 so its no loss to me if they leave those out.

      I was worried I'd have to read Johns' run to appreciate Titans, but it looks like I don't, so I'll be able to dive in once I've read Titans Hunt.

      I think thats all the questions I have, thanks for the help.

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    • No worries. Feel free to follow-up if you have further questions down the road. I also wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on Titans Hunt and/or Titans or Teen Titans (Rebirth versions) as you read them. And, of course, if you have any questions about those series, feel free to shoot them my way.

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  • Hi N8, I just finished the first issue of the New Teen Titians. Thank you for the recommendation and the information. It is an awesome read. I can tell that I am really going to enjoy this series. I hope you are well.

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    • Hey, Mack. I thought I'd check in to see how far you have gotten in New Teen Titans this last month. Hope you're well.

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    • Hey, thanks for checking in N8. I’m currently reading issue #3, definitely looking forward to that surprise in issue #8. This series is really enjoyable; I appreciate the recommendation. Thank you; I’m well. I hope you’re well too, my friend.

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  • Hey N8! This morning I started reading Nigthwing: Old Friends, new enemies. And about 5 minutes ago I ended "The secret Origin of Nigthwing" and man… taht issue/story… it's the thing taht comes rigth in time on the perfect momento so I gotta thank you. Yes... we would be focusing on Roy, but well… Dick is my favourite carácter, and you gifted me with this. On that comic he's saying that he's 20, and taht doesn't know what to do with his life… It was just so relatable. How he takes a look at his old life… how he says "you don't know if you can't fly, unless you take the risk of falling".

    It migth be one of my favourite Nigthwing issues/stories at this point. Idk it came at the perfect time, thanks =)

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    • Hey, Blais, how's the Roy Harper reading coming along? I thought I'd check in. Hope you're doing well.

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    • Hey N8! I owe you an apology since I left and never messaged you about it. Thanks for reaching out, I appreciate it.

      Thing is rigth now I'm with my finals so in a week or 2 I'll finally be free. But well the bad news are that this past months I've actually losst interest in comics. Marvel and Dc, I don't even read things about my favourites anymore, but hopefully once I'm done with exams I'll be able to get the feeling back.

      So yeah currently not reading at all. Hope you are doing well too! thanks again

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  • Hey N8! I recently finished reading the 2nd trade of Teen Titans by Geoff Johns. I'm going to post it. Should I put spoiler alert? Or post it just like that?

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    • If you're doing a review, you don't necessarily need to do the huge "Spoiler" tag thing. That's usually reserved for comics that are less than a year old. But if you wanted to note in the introduction of your post that there will be spoilers for anyone who hasn't read it yet, you can. You just don't need all the ***SPOILERS*** stuff with all the dots and lines and everything between your intro and your review. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

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    • A gentle reminder. I've posted the review.

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    • Hey Roger, you mentioned that you may be picking up the first trade for New Teen Titans and write a review on it for the board since you were waiting for more Outsiders and TTv3 trades. Are you still considering that? I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts on the trade.

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    • Hey Roger, I thought I'd pop in to see how your Titans readings have been progressing, assuming you've read more since we last touched base. Being stuck at home has made me stir-crazy, which makes me want to talk about comics more, ha. Hope you're doing well.

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  • Working on another FANDOM post and I ran into an issue. Grimm told me that you've read Erik Larsen's Aquaman run from the 2000's and I have a quick question. Do you know the exact name of the team Lagoon Boy, Sheeva, and Blubber are members of? I've seen it as both Landlubbers and Landlovers both on here and on other sites and I can't seem to find a definitive answer.

    Thanks!

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    • It's the strangest thing. I used several of your suggestions when I was writing it. I'm using Deep Blue, Neptune Perkins, Tula, Koryak, and Lagoon Boy (the reason for the Landlovers situation).

      While researching the semantics of the team's name, I read a good chunk of Aquaman Vol 5 on DC Universe (it has the whole run). While reading, I discovered Noble, who I feel is a very interesting character. I'm planning on reading the whole run, as both Koryak and Deep Blue make their debuts. Plus, it'll give me the opportunity to leave more about Aquaman and his supporting cast.

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    • I highly recommend the entirety of Aquaman Vol 5.

      + David's run changed Aquaman's portrayal into one that was used for a long, long time. David facilitated Garth's transition from Aqualad to Tempest. He evolved the character of Dolphin to levels much, much higher than she had exhibited before. She became really fleshed out. David created Koryak and Deep Blue, two significant characters in the Aqua mythos with ties to the larger DC mythos. And he created a bunch of other fun supporting characters, like Letifos, Guardian of Hy-Brasil, Spought, A.J., and others. And he brought back other lesser characters and gave them more, like Nuada. Most importantly, though, he really fleshed out the history of Atlantis, adding many new ancient cities and civilization and -- well, it's great what he does for the Aqua-mythos.

      + Abnett's run gave closure to A.J. and brought back Mera. Furthermore, Abnett is the one responsible for giving Mera her "bad@$$" personality that she has mostly been maintaining since then up to now.

      + Larsen's run introduced the Landlovers, especially Lagoon Boy, Blubber, and Sheeva. Larsen also introduced Noble, who is a main character in his run (but not anywhere else). Larsen brought back Arthur's mother. Importantly, Larsen married Garth and Dolphin and had Dolphin become pregnant.

      + Jurgens' run had Garth's baby (Cerdian) being born and then a whole war was fought over it. Tempest was almost as much of a main character in Jurgens' run as Aquaman was, and I love it for that. Tempest was kick-tail in that run.

      Final Note: With Neptune Perkins, I imagine him more likely making an appearance in the Aquaman movie as "Senator Perkins," simply a senator on the surface who is name-dropped. That would be nice.

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