Are you sure about this? That would classify Barry Allen as the most capable combatant out of all the Flashes, and Wally West is a massive fan-favorite. But if you still think we should remove this info for now, then fine, just let me know. I will remove it, then.
For now, yes, I think it would be best to remove it. Barry has has more combat showings as of now, which is why it may appear that he is the better fighter. We just haven't seen enough of Wally yet.
Also, regarding the your edits to Hand-to-Hand Combat (Advanced) on Barry's page, I removed some of the unnecessary info on there. The powers and abilities don't have to go in depth of each instance when that ability was displayed. It should just have a brief description of notable showings of that ability. The Speed lend/steal power was also already covered under "Sharing the Force".
I appreciate your input. But Wally remembers most of his life from the Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis years of his life. Also due to the events of Flash War, Wally most likely remembered everything. So I believe it's save to say that's his fighting skills are intact. He's just nowhere on par with Deathstroke, since Martial Arts are a near constant for him, due to him having little powers at his disposal. Besides, Wally doesn't always has to rely martial skills, since he already has super speed in his corners. It was due to Deathstroke gaining the Speed Force where his skills and super speed would be no use to him. Plus Wally has reconnected with the Titans a lot back in 2016, so it's likely he has possibly gotten more training... at less until he died.
While I do see where you're coming from, the fact is we really haven't seen Wally fight hand-to-hand since Rebirth. It makes sense that he remembers his training, but we haven't seen anything that confirms this. The long paragraph explaining his pre-flashpoint training is unnecessary for the prime earth page. I think we should wait until we get some kind of confirmation of Wally's fighting ability before we add it to the page.
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Yeah I see what you're saying. So far I've added the premiere assassins I could think of, but I was unsure about adding more from the assassins category, since I don't have references for them. Do you think it would be better if we got rid of it?
Technically, in the comics, when Barry Allen was in the Crisis on Infinite Earths, he runs so fast that he turns into pure Speed Force energy and goes back in time to give his past self superspeed. That is how Barry acquired his powers. He never went to Wayne Manor to gain superspeed. Barry's future self is the reason he even has superspeed in the first place.
Barry has still been shown to use his ring to carry his suit, meaning he's wearing the metal suit, and it's already been established that he uses electromagnetism to put on the suit. He has not yet shown the ability to create any Speed Force constructs, so I really doubt he does this to manipulate his mask. That wouldn't really make sense since his suit isn't a construct. It's pretty clear he's just using the magnetism to manipulate the suit.
Barry said in issue zero that metal reacts strangely implying he can't control his suit and he also implies he can make a suit when talking to Wally saying "I forget we could do that" and we have seen pre 52 Barry make a costume so we know he could make one before. Also we have seen Wally use the ring as a focus for the speed force suit so Barry may be doing the same.
Also, I think you should stop putting that Barry has moved at lightspeed to exit the SF and Time Travel, despite what the rules were pre flashpoint. We know this wasn't the case when he time traveled, because he used Daniel's power to do so, and Daniel's power is not speed based, but time based instead. Also there is no proof that you have to move at light speed to exit the Speed Force. All we know is that you need a lightning rod. That's it. The only time a speedster has been stated to move at lightspeed was when Wally entered the Speed Force.
Barry made the choice to run into the speed force before so he still ran faster than light then and it wasn't the treadmill's momentum that carried him as Elias says "what are you doing" upon seeing Barry intently running into the sf not having the momentum of the treadmill carry him. So even if exiting the sf isn't faster than light he has still ran in using his own power before moving faster than light.
Sorry maybe I was unclear I am talking about the time with the treadmill but it was Barry who ran in at light speed the treadmill didn't carry him Elias sees Barry run in of his own accord not be carried that's why he asked what he was doing.
Yes, he ran at light speed, but because of the treadmill's momentum. The reason Elias asked what he was doing was because he told him to stop before he goes that fast. It's clearly stated that this was because of the treadmill.
Barry says "my only shot of finding them is creating another wormhole and running into it" he ran that fast by himself, he said he had to make a wormhole and run in he didn't use the treadmills momentume. The only reason he even used the treadmill was to give power to the city.
the wormholes are caused when he approaches light speed, and it's already been stated that he can approach light speed on his page. The wormholes are not the same as what wally did to enter the Speed Force. What he did was become energy by moving past light speed, then entering the Speed Force.
The rule to enter the sf is to run FTL so logically Barry should have had to run faster to enter. And in issue 6,7 it says when Barry approaches the speed of light he is running at 80% and when he opens the wormhole he was running at 100% so he still ran at the speed of light at least.
Okay but still in issue 6 and 7 it says when Barry approaches light speed he is running at 80% Elias says this when fighting captain cold he opens a wormhole at 100% so he was running at speed of light then so even if the treadmill helped (which I don't think it did but that's a difference of opinions) he still has run at at least light speed before.
not necessarily speedsters have gone faster than light before without going in the speed force. If Barry had a lightning rode (Iris, his friends, dad) he would not enter the speed force. And to evacuate that many people he would have to go faster than light.
like with the wally west nuke thing the comic says "at a hairs breath short of the speed of light" but the wiki says he has to move 13 trillion times the speed of light. even though he stated he is moving slower than light logically he would have to be moving faster than light. Just like you would have to be moving faster than light to evacuate Tokyo in 30 seconds
I don't know man, there's not much evidence to this. It wasn't outright stated and if we add this info, we would just be assuming that you have to move past that speed, which hasn't been backed up by anything solid.
well the wally west feat states he is moving slower than light but the wiki contradicts this so even if its not stated I think its worth adding it could be something like "Barry can evacuate the city of Tokyo (which has a population of 16.32 million) in just thirty seconds- this feat would require him to be moving faster than light". If someone does the calculations to find how fast exactly he would need to go for example 10 times the speed of light (I picked a random number don't know if its accurate) than we can add that to.
Which Wally West feat are you referring to? And unless someone does the calculations to prove he is moving faster than light, we should leave that out. Although I think "Barry was able to evacuate the city of Tokyo (which has a population of 16.32 million) in just thirty seconds." is a good addition in itself to describe his speed. Honestly I don't believe he would have to be moving at the speed of light, let alone several times it to evacuate the city. Someone moving at the speed of light could go all the way around the equator approximately 7.5 times in one second, so I don't think it really adds up.
I was refereeing to the nuke feat for wally. and I think Barry would have to be moving faster than light to evacuate them. though I'm not sure how to calculate the exact speed do you think you could do it or know anyone who could.