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Can we... find a better one? Like maybe him during a Crisis? Because I don't think an image of ole Jimmy Corrigan looking tough is that helpful to the understanding of the Big Bang.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:26, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Awesome. Thank you very much, Roy, that looks a lot better.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Creation

I think that, according to Lucifer series, the Big Bang didn't created the Universe, Michael and Lucifer done it. Or, the demiurgic power that Michael used to create the Universe and Lucifer willing it into existence manifested as the Big Bang? I need an answer.
User:Mikhail Mxyzptlk, 5:55, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Lucifer is Vertigo, and though we call most of it New Earth here, it may not necessarily be canon for New Earth. -- Tupka217 12:01, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
So, you are saying that Vertigo characters are not "in-universe" and most likely is other reality?
User:Mikhail Mxyzptlk, 10:51, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
Not necessarily. It may be. It may not be. It may be corroborated somewhere but denied elsewhere. I'm not sure what the status of Vertigo stories is in New Earth (though some characters crossed over), though on several instances, when a DC title is moved to Vertigo (such as Animal Man or Shadowpact), they have been referred to as "moving out of the DC Universe", even though their Vertigo adventures do not contradict DC stuff. And as for who had a hand in the creation of life, the universe and everything... those kinda things get changed in every other major story arc. -- Tupka217 17:04, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
Big Bang was shown more recently in Infinite Crisis than the Lucifer series. Regardless of what's in or out of continuity, that takes precedence.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:54, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, they change that stuff of who created the Universe and the life on it: In Crisis on Infinite Earths and Infinite Crisis it says the Big Bang was made as a natural course as the beginning of all things, in the Lucifer series was said it was Michael and Lucifer who made it, in Zero Hour, it was said it was Spectre with the help of the metahuman Damage and in Blackest Night it was said that the Entity gave birth to all living things in the Universe. They change it always and no one can have a consistent origin of what's going on.
User:Mikhail Mxyzptlk, 12:12, April 16, 2011