The one that really sucks is Sword of Sorcery. Its such a good book. I could have guessed the others would get cancelled and I'm surprised some of them lasted this long. I thought Hawkman would have been given a little longer though since he's part of the new JLA. I can't say I enjoyed his book.
I think we could cut off one Batman series. I mean, we have so many: Batman, Detective Comics, Batman: the Dark Knight, Legends of the Dark Knight, and Arkham Unhinged (if you want to count that one). I see the point of having more than one Batman title, but do we really need that many? It seems like Batman's stretching a little thin with all the titles he has.
I'm not saying one should be cancelled but there are so many in the extended Bat-family-Batman, Batman and Robin, Batman: The Dark Knight, Detective Comics, Batman Incorporated, Batwoman, Batgirl, Nightwing, Batwing, and you could even count Red Hood and the Outlaws. If you count the new Batman/Superman book, that's 11 titles or a full 1/5 of titles. I'm just disappointed the rest of the universe can't get more love. Its not that I don't like Batman but I like those obscure guys too.
What gets me is when they cancel a title like Threshold or Sword of Sorcery - aren't these titles suppose to be Anthologies? Perhaps they should try changing the main feature and creative team before scrapping the book. It makes me feel like DC just wants (to renew) a copyright on the title and never had any intentions in providing us with quality... Don't get me wrong - I liked both of those titles. I just think that DC should explore some options before axing titles like this...
This is unfounded. It would have been sufficient to publish a one-shot for establishing Copyright (which has been done several times in the last 10-15 years). And Threshold has no DC precedent, title-wise.
Was this just a testing ground for Larfleeze? I mean really, why do you think they are so quick to abandon these titles? I mean, one was called "Swords of Sorcery" not "Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld." They could have put Warlord, Arak, Arion, or several other characters in the lead slot, but instead they just trashed it. Why?
Also, Lucien61, which part is unfounded? My feelings or me sharing my feelings? You can talk about one-shots like Mystery in Space or whatever all you want, but I still FEEL like they never had any intentions on providing us with quality. As a fan of DC for 25 years, these are my feelings right now and they are founded in how I feel.
As I understand it, it was pitched as the kind of blah plot that it had, with a Larfleeze backup. I would guess the backup was a testing ground, but that they had actually thought the pitch for the main feature would work - and then it got very low sales and poor reviews. So, cancelled.
I mean, one was called "Swords of Sorcery" not "Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld." They could have put Warlord, Arak, Arion, or several other characters in the lead slot, but instead they just trashed it. Why?
While Amethyst actually had a very good story, the book's backups were not awesome. Beowulf could probably have held up for a while, but I would guess that having one C-level hero fail to make their sales threshold is proof enough that another C-level hero wouldn't do any better. And, as always, in order to keep a book going, you need to have another writer ready to make a good pitch on the book. Given that Christy Marx is one of the more talented writers DC has right now, Sword of Sorcery's failure was promotional and therefore sales failure, not a character/writing failure.
which part is unfounded? ... You can talk about one-shots like Mystery in Space or whatever all you want, but I still FEEL like they never had any intentions on providing us with quality.
Lucien's point was that it only takes a one-shot to renew rights - but so far as I know, DC was not at all in danger of losing its rights to Amethyst anyway. They wanted a book to go alongside the DC Nation Amethyst shorts, and hired the lady who created Jemm and the Holograms. Then, Christy Marx goes on to write a quality story, and did some fantastic world-building (more than anyone else has been doing, which is a shame).
I knew pretty much as soon as it was solicited that Threshold wasn't going to work. It's not so much a case of DC making books that are doomed to fail on purpose as failing to know which books are going to succeed or fail from the get-go, and then scrapping them unceremoniously if they are lower tier books.
If another writer comes along with a good pitch, it is typical for DC to start a new volume, and give a character another shot. See also: 7 volumes each of Aquaman and the Legion, despite many sales failures. (6 each for Supergirl and Superboy).
So, in some respects, Larfleeze is a spin-off/second volume of Threshold, and it's entirely possible that a year from now, or later, someone will come to DC with a pitch for Amethyst that they think might get sales, and we'll have another volume of Amethyst to read.
I would've done this on Rab's recent Batwoman blog, but it won't let me post for some reason. This probably applies too.
Though I'm five issues or so behind, I enjoy Blackman and Williams' run, and was a tad disappointed when and how they left (editorial meddling seems like the way to go nowadays).
And now... Marc Andreyko. It may not all be lost just yet. I loved his run on Manhunter. He's got experience with writing gay relationships, as well as awkward relationships. It's not going to be that bad.
With Suicide Squad #30 being the last issue of that title, I just realized that 26 of the 52 first wave titles have now been cancelled (with 4 more announced to go within the next 2-3 months). And it´s been not even three years.
That may be par for the course as regards frequency of cancellations. But it is a bad sign for long-time readers. The New 52 were announced by DC , as company announcements go, as the fresh new start for their core universe. The characters were built on a long-term tradition (75 years, even then), but that "fresh start" chose to ignore the history and the numbering. It was not only the backstory that was yanked away, it was a tradition of continuance that was abandoned.
Zero isues , Villain inserts and other gimmicks notwithstanding, this new universe (when did we hear that term before?*) is 32 months old. And it is already fraying at the edges. It lacks a core. A soul, if you will.
You see, I do not buy the revamp approach. Suicide Squad and Justice League being cases in point (surely not the only ones), the revamp´s revamps are already under way. Heavy handed editorial actions and volatile creator discussions have not contributed much to building (or re-building) a story universe readers would want to be immersed into in the long run.
In 1989, the last 3 of the 8 NU titles were cancelled with their #32 (Starbrand had been published irregularly and got the axe as well). Four , however, were cancelled even earlier in their numbering. The Marvel NU was wrapped up with two one-shots and a 4-issue limited series till its re-introduction into the Marvel multiverse.
Anyway, this is about DC. And frankly, I put a lot of hope in Morrison´s Multiversity title to revitalize editorial and audience interest in DC´s history.
May I be heretic for a moment? With a grain of salt: The DC Database is perhaps contributing to my fanboy sense of alienation what with the initiation of over-detailed - and not always consistent - differentiations between Pre-Crisis, New Earth, Prime Earth, Pre-Zero-Hour and what-have-you versions of characters (and don't get me started about the Legion ...). The database is a most worthy project with a perhaps necessary approach, and I love DC books - but I cannot help but question the company's course which is being reflected in this community.
I also think DC's course has gone pretty awful, just like their movies. I've started reading Marvel comics for the first time in fifteen years ('cuz I've been reading only DC Comics for the last 15 years) and they are much better than most of the DC Comics I've read since the New 52.
Sad but true. While there's been books I liked in the New52, there's been very little I LOVED, even from creators I loved. And I LOVED DC for 30+ years. What little I read of Marvel is blowing away anything DC's got right now. Ugh!
No question. But that is not exactly the issue. I still like Earth 2 (but not Worlds' Finest), wanted to re-like the Legion (that did not work out - again), enjoyed Batman Inc. which is probably why I´m putting hopes in Grayson, and have a somewhat distant curiosity about GL and GLC. The rest does not interest me, left me cold after some interesting runs, or got cancelled (Pandora was run to the ground, in my opinion). I heartily dislike most Wildstorm characters and loathe the annoying nastiness of Harley Quinn and Suicide Squad (Ostrander´s run set the bar for me).
I am interested in DC's fictional history and world-building, and with the exception of the titles mentioned above, there is not much to like for me in the New 52. On the other hand, I may be too old for it (the 61 in my nick has some base in fact).
I'm with Lucien (we're the old farts club) & I know there was a ton of crap pre-New52, most of it perpetrated by the same people putting out the crap now. But I put my love for the characters above individual crappy runs of books & the problem is that the charactarization for most just aren't doing it for me. Even in the current books I like, it not for the characters anymore, it's cuz of good writing & art. That being said, if DC wusses out & reverts back to pre-Crisis continuity again, I will lose my frickin' mind. I wish they would pick a game-plan & stick to it.
Another case of Heaven and Hell. 13 titles are going to cancelled come March, four of them (Batwoman, Green Lantern: New Guardians, Green Lantern Corps, Red Lanterns) being First Wave titles. Which leaves a mere 17 of the original New 52.
I had expected to like Earth 2: World´s End, Grayson, and Multiversity, and I was not disappointed. Convergence sounds interesting (with a heavy foreshadowing in Booster Gold: Future´s End), but the content (and indexing - hi there, Regular Contributors) of that title will be highly complicated. Maybe too much so. Juggling one multiverse proved too much for DC on at least five occasions (which is why they gave us COIE, ZH, FC, IC, 52) - juggling two or more of them will be beyond their abilities. But I may be wrong. In fact, I hope so.