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  • okay cool thanks. I have another question, what about The Flash, when New 52 launched all the issues started with number 1, according to DC Comics website the flash first appearance was The Flash issue 1, but here on this site it says Flashpoint issue 5. How can it be Flashpoint when all the new 52s started with issue 1.

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    • The New 52 Universe was born in Flashpoint #5, and so was the Flash. Sorta. Same for several other heroes.

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    • hold on so what are you saying, that Superman, Green Lanthern, Cyborg and Batman first apperance was not Justice League issue 1? it says so right here on this site http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Bruce_Wayne_(Prime_Earth)

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    • it says batman first appearance Justice league issue 1, nothing about flashpoint

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    • Is it because its Thomas wayne his dad that dies in flashpoint 5 so thats why it does not count? so what did you mean by several other heroes. Who are the several other heroes besides flash that make a first appearance in flashpoint issue 5

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    • wow. this is so awesome, so basically "Prime Earth" batman, superman, wonder woman, flash, green lanthern and cyborg make there first apperance. Even though its a "Cameo" it still counts right? So the only 2 main characters that are not here in "Prime Earth" are Aquaman and Shazam.

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    • so the link I sent you earlier they should fix that right? it should say flashpoint 5 for batman and everyone else even though its a cameo

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    • I think so, Batman and Flash from Prime Earth appeared there for the first time as well as other heroes. Still, I'm not sure if it should be changed in the infobox First Appearance.

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    • ? the link i sent you says Batman appeared in Justice league issue 1. according to what I was just told, it should say Flashpoint issue 5 as first appearance what do u mean?

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    • your not making sense your saying 2 different things. your saying yes they did make a first appearance, but no it should not be changed. how does that make sense? which is it?

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    • you guys dont want me to be posting on differe peoples pages, but im getting answers like "i think so" well i need to know for sure. so thats why i post on different pages until someone can make sense and tell me for sure

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    • http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Flashpoint_Vol_2_5

      it says so right here batman bruce wayne prime earth first appearance. does it make sense to you that this fact can be used twice for 2 different comic issues?

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    • As I said elsewhere: we are using the first appearances which DC lists as the official first appearances in the infoboxes, but it would be inaccurate not to also list them in Flashpoint #5.

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    • okay so your using the first appearances which dc lists as the official first appearance. so how come your not doing the same for ocean master. DC has ocean master as Aquaman issue 14 for his first appearance. on this website you have Aquaman issue 0 . so if DC is your source then why do you and DC have 2 different answers.

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    • also in the info box of flash, you guys are not using what DC has listed for flash first appearance you are incorrect. you have flashpoint issue 5. dc has flash issue 1

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    • so according to you if the "info" box is what dc has listed then the flash page should be changed to flash issue 1 not flashpoint issue 5

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    • DC does not list Ocean Master's first appearance.

      You're talking about comicvine. Comicvine is terrible. Comicvine is wrong.

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    • We know. We don't care.

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    • Im new to all this so to me this is all just weird. Why wouldn't everyone be on the same page, but I guess thats comics for you, everyone has a different answer. thanks for your help

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    • okay cool thanks for the batman change. Now what about the "Cameos" do those count also? cause otherwise we might want to change wonder woman, cyborg, green lanthern also

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    • They count and most of them are already changed. Green Lantern is a special case, since there isn't a Prime Earth page for him, so we're still using the New Earth Page until the PE one is done.

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    • this is soooo cool, Ive only been reading comics for a few years but im happy I was able to contribute and make a change :)

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    • Ya there needs to be a Prime earth page for Green Lanthern and also for Superman

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    • There's people already working on that, but it takes time. Batman's page took almost 3 years to be completed.

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    • Stameco wrote: Ya there needs to be a Prime earth page for Green Lanthern and also for Superman

      Hatebunny's working on Superman. The problem with Green Lantern is his origin for the New 52 is EXACTLY the same as the previous version; the main difference would be that certain events in his life haven't happened - Arisia pederasty, Parallax, traveling insurance salesman, long distance trucker. However, his storyline picked up directly from Brightest Day.

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    • Thats cool, well it least in the mean time for both superman and green lanther under first appearance can we add prime earth flashpoint issue 5 ?

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    • No.

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    • I would say Hal is 75% the same as New Earth. He could get a Prime page but is mostly the same. The Earth lanterns are the only ones really different. All the alien lanterns had virtually no changes between New Earth and Prime Earth. That's why most of them don't have separate pages.

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    • Those pages reflect the New Earth versions, so adding that, would be a lie. However, something can be added to the Notes section to explain and clarify this issue.

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    • umm okay, but we do all agree that green lanthern and superman first appearance in prime earth was flashpoint 5 correct?

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    • Yes.

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    • awesome thank you, been a great help

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    • You are welcome. I'm glad I could help. ;)

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    • Your welcome ;)

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    • i do have a new question if one of you can help me out with. So we all know that Shazam (Billy) first appereance is Justice league issue 7. However I wanted to find out when does he really become Shazam in which issue.

      http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Justice_League_Vol_2_12 Issue 12 says Preview only

      http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Justice_League_Vol_2_0 and issue 0 says supporting character

      so does the preview only in issue 12 count as the first time we see billy as shazam or issue 0?

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    • and issue 14 says featured character shazam

      http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Justice_League_Vol_2_14

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    • Issue number 0. The Shazam you see on the supporting characters is the Wizard Shazam. He gives Billy the powers to transform. Look here: "Shazam".

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    • okay cool, so whats the issue 12 preview only all about? because didn't issue 12 come out before issue 0?

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    • My second question for tonight is when a character shows up as First appearance is that different when there labeled under Villain for the first time? for example Donna Troy prime earth says first appearance issue 37, but its under other character. Its not until issue 39 that shes listed under villain. so which counts as first appearance, thanks

      http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Vol_4_39

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    • 1. Yes, it was just a preview, but didn't show what and how happened.

      2. We don't add a first appearance if a character changes alignment. First appearance is considered exclusively the first time a character is seen...of course...for the first time. Donna's first appearance in New 52 is WW #37 That is her debut. It can be said that in issue #39, she appears as a villain for the first time, but that is just like additional information.

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    • okay cool, so its kind like a bonus that shes a villain in issue 39. But more importantly her debut is 37 which is more important right?

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    • Correct.

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    • also I just wanted to point out that on justice league issue 7, it shows black adams name for the first time under characters, but it does not state that its his first appearance, but in the text note area it does mention it. they should prob add that next to his name also

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    • and earlier Hatebunny mentioned that comicvine was incorrect to say that ocean master makes his first appearance in justice league 14, but I kinda agree with comic vine. Because aquaman issue 0 says that its "Orms" first appearance , but aquaman issue 14 says Ocean Master first appearance, so i think there both correct for different characters, orm and then ocean master, what you think SforHope

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    • 1. Black Adam appears in JL #10. Issue #7 clearly states that he is "mentioned only" and that means he doesn't really appear.

      2. Orm is Ocean Master's real name. We categorize caracters for their real names instead of their code names and thus, we add first appearances whenever a character is seen for the first time. We can't add first appearances for each character's personality. We'd have two first appearances for everybody....and that's just silly.

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    • 2) got you thanks, makes sense

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    • for black adam I ment issue 10, under text note is says first appearance, but like next to his name under "characters" or "villans" in green color does not say first appearance

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    • I changed it. You can also add that by clicking the edit button, going to the text where you need to put it and add {{1st}} next to it. Is should look something like this:

      * {{a|[[Teth-Adam (Prime Earth)|Black Adam]]}} {{1st}}
      
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    • sweet thanks, looks more official now

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    • so where do you stand on darkseid, you think issue 3 is his first appearance because of the "illusion" or issue 4 where he actually showed up ?

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    • Issue #3. It doesn't matter if it's a dream, illusion or memory. If the character actually appears, drawn and we can see it, then that's first appearance.

      - Gotta go. See you around.

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    • and in forever evil issue 7 is it the same thing we were talking about earlier "different personality" thats its anti-monitar first appearance but issue 40 as mobius? how does he actually appear in issue 7?

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    • COOL THANKS

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    • Got a question, so in flash issue 40, does prof zoom really make his first appr? I thought that reverse flash first app in prime earth was flashpont 5 where the prime earth was created ?

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    • I know daniel west is issue 0, but zoom i thought was flashpont 5

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    • New Question, what does it mean in justice league issue 6 and justice league issue 16 when it says joins team? does issue 6 count as a first appearance for the actual justice league since there "joining" the team for the first time? also same question for justice league 16 when shazam and others join the league, does it count as the first appearance this group was together?

      http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Justice_League_Vol_2_6

      http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Justice_League_Vol_2_16

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    • Hey Stameco,

      Would you mind moving this conversation over to the open Forums, instead of on my message wall? It will give your questions more visibility and a better chance to get answered!

      http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Forum

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    • And ask it only in one place - that way, it's easier to keep track of which questions have been answered already.

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    • okay cool thanks. you know in issue 25 in new earth when all the lanterns show up like yellow, orange, blue, red. You know if these other lanterns besides green have shown up in prime earth yet? i know red lanterns show up in red lanterns 1 but the others ?

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    • I'll answer that if you take it to the forums.

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    • HOW

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    • ok got it

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    • A FANDOM user
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