I honestly don't know where to put this, as one could argue it to be a Policy or Technical topic (or even both), so I'll just put it here, and let the mods decide:
Using the Marvel Database wiki as an example, when you click the Appearances link in each character pages, you'd be presented with a Category Page listing all the character's appearances, as expected (even with the DC wiki). But beyond that, here is where they differ: The Character Appearances page for the Marvel wiki has, right at the top, an expandable (& sortable) list/table, that shows all the character's appearances CHRONOLOGICALLY, using the issues' Publication data. It's extremely useful when you want to find & read issues for a character (say Gwen Stacy/Ghost-Spider), as they were originally released/published. Wookiepedia has a similar-ish Appearances list (though not as clear and/or convenient).
So my question is: Why doesn't the DC Database wiki have this extremely simple, yet extremely useful feature/tool? Is it simply a Policy decision to not do it, or is it a Technical one? Or perhaps some other reason altogether?
Anyway, thanks in advance for the answer. And if I could persuade the Admins at all, I truly hope you would re-consider this feature for inclusion. As it really helps fans like me, a lot.
It's something Marvel developed, and we hadn't even heard of until a bit ago. It's not that we said no, it's just that we haven't said yes because it looks intricate and we're not as code savvy. How "simple" is it? Have you isolated relevant js/css?
I AM a developer by profession (or at least,I used to be), but I must admit I have not actually investigated their code. I just assumed it would be "simple" from a design, conceptual & high-level programmatical perspective. But I digress. If I didn't have the time to dive them, I cannot reasonably ask anyone else to.
Side Note: I didn't know it was new. I've been using the feature as my own "live" reading list for quite some time now (can't even remember exactly when), along with Comic Book DB. So I just presumed it's always been there (just didn't notice it), and a standard tool for all wikis (or at least,the book-related ones). I guess not, LOL. So thanks for the info. Hoping you good folks would still at least re-consider it. :)
>>...the chronological listing overrides some other features we have...
Ohh, didn't expect that at all, damn. Okay, I hear ya. It's still too bad, as the feature really IS super-useful & super-convenient, especially when compared with the default listings. But I understand (maybe I just got spoiled-rotten,lol). I guess I'm just gonna have to suck it up, just to complete my Harleen Quinzel binge-reading on Comixology, heh.
We've discussed this here over a year ago for sure. It would not be technically that hard--if nothing else, we could just copy the template from there. The only question is if we find that desirable. Another option is to have a bot that creates lists for character appearances.
>>...only question is if we find that desirable...
I presume you meant the template/code copying part, and NOT the feature itself. Because I honestly can't see why anyone would be against utility & convenience, not to mention getting more Value out of data that's ALREADY there anyway. Just to be clear, for those who misunderstood my OP, the chronological sorting I was talking about is based on our real world's publication information, NOT the in-universe appearances of the characters. So yes, the data IS already there and good to go. We're just using it to sort the "Publication" column on a simple table. And if a user so desires, they can simply re-sort the list using the "Title" column, switching the sorting back to the standard "Alphabetical". So basically, best of both worlds. Nobody loses out on anything.
As an aside, perhaps this is me being naive, I guess, but I just assumed the entire Wiki Community just shared each other's features/code (ya know,for the good of the world & all,lol). But even if not, is it such taboo to just honestly ask them for help? Or recreate the template and THEN frankly Credit them after the fact? For me, both ways are equally Honorable; there is no shame in asking for help, especially from fellow "good guys". And yes, I love the work over there, as much as I love the work over here, so I do believe they would wanna help, despite the traditional rivalry. Tease me if you want, but I was raised to cautiously assume the good in everybody, UNTIL proven otherwise.
...is it such taboo to just honestly ask them for help?
From my experience here, both Marvel and DC wikis used to share the same userbase, meaning the editors and admins were mostly the same, developing both ideas under the guidance of the same founder. At some point in history, there was a "snap" and both wikis separated.
In my whole time here (about 7 years?), I have yet to see anybody from Marvel doing some serious work around here, as editor or admin. I'm not sure what happened to the communities in those early days, but I'm guessing there's a reason they don't come here as much as we don't go there. (and by "we" I mean editors and admins)
Just a little something I had to say kinda off topic.
>>...At some point in history, there was a "snap" and both wikis separated...
Hahahah! Nice one. That really got me chuckling (yes,I'm shallow like that,lawl).
>>...Just a little something I had to say kinda off topic...
Oh, not at all off-topic, good sir. At least not to me, in my Infinite Wisdom (within this thread) as its OP. But no, seriously, if anything, thanks for the old warrior's insight. Again, this perhaps betrays my naivete, but I actually feel really bad about what you just said. I don't mean to judge the parents' circumstances during that time; maybe they really DID have good reasons to... part ways.
But I still feel really bad, because you basically just revealed to me, that these two worlds, which I equally love, could've been so much more today... were it not for the Snap.
I agree that there should be chronological appearances. I request that it would go one step further by breaking down the appearances like sub-categories with (Flashback only) appearances, (Mentioned only) appearances (Phone call only) appearances etc... I would like to know how many times for example Rao was mentioned since there are no physical appearances of him. Or a particular character was (Mentioned only) in various comics.
Plus, I don't agree that (In picture only) should count as an appearance. If I am trying to get all physical appearances of a character I don't want to buy a book that just shows this character (In picture only). I would like to be able to break down the appearances.
I'll admit I'm not a big fan of the way we list appearances for things like statues, pictures, etc. It also kind of bugs me when we list one panel cameo flashbacks or groupshot flashbacks. That said, I don't want to go to the extreme that Marvel does by categorizing them all separately. That is almost impossible for non-editors to navigate.
As to the split between the Marvel and DC sites, it isn't so much a split as a separate evolution. I wasn't here in the very beginning but most of the early work was done by people who faded out as life demands changed. I know a couple of them became less involved as work and kids took more of their time. Even then, the sites were so much smaller, you could manage multiple sites. Now, the sites are much, much bigger. For me personally, I get so deep into DC that I can't devote enough time to another franchise to be really competent and still live a functional life. I suspect that's the same for most of the other prolific editors.
So it was less of a Snap, and more of a... Slide? As in, slowly slid apart.
Thanks for another veteran's insight. Fans like me, who love BOTH Universes, appreciate it more than you'll ever know. It gives us a clearer--and more nuanced--idea of these two worlds' "origins" & their evolving interaction with each other. And its ultimate outcome, for better or worse. As if moved by Fate, the two Wikis started to reflect or mimic the two Companies' relationship or... disposition? Without knowing it, or at least, without intending for it to happen that way.
As for people "fading out"--or at least being constrained, because of Real Life and Time itself, yeah, I hear ya. It's a sad Truth that, I guess, we already knew anyway. We fans immerse ourselves so much in these worlds, that has practically immortal people with time that practically doesn't move, that we sometimes forget our OWN world works in exactly the opposite way.