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  • I've mentioned this indirectly in Discussions, but I wanted to do a bigger post about this to highlight some things.

    This past weekend, I was at the invite-only Fandom/Gamepedia event Connect. This is the third such event; for some reason, they've invited me every time. This is an event where admins of new and established wikis can connect with each other and staff, and can learn more about certain processes. The key talking points were the UCP, UXR and SEO. And it's not under NDA.

    We also got to go to Disney World. Rapunzel was definitely on cocaine.

    I got to meet amazing new people, and also reconnect with old friends from previous Connects. Relevant to our wiki, I met Emitewiki2 (he edits on Marvel, but I didn't speak to him much), our wiki managers TimeShade and KylaraE (yeah, we're shoved in TV/Movies), Manager of SEO Becky Westmorelandm and Editor Experience Specialist Isaac Fischer.

    Some key points:

    UCP:

    This is the Unified Community Platform. With the merger of Fandom and Gamepedia, a noted discrepancy was the difference in MediaWiki version. Gamepedia ran roughly up to date, but Fandom had so many custom features that it still had a forked 1.19. Which is heavily outdated. This UCP, which will start rolling out in Q1/Q2, will bring both platforms to 1.33. Therew will be noticable differences; Forums will be retired, Message Walls and user pages will have new elements. There will finally be a mobile editor. For more information, follow the Staff Blog on Community Central. There's an update coming soon.

    UXR:

    I've thrown the term UX around. User Experience. The R here stands for Research. You have to write for your audience, and know your audience. Michael Morgan and Derek Hart showed graphs of demographics and statistics. Nothing too specific for us. But...

    SEO:

    In UXR, a recurring theme is that more than fifty percent of page views is on mobile. Websites isn't the only one who see this: Google sees it too. For their Search Engine Optimization, they use multiple crawlers. This year, they will be giving priority to their mobile crawlers, and their content researchers will also prioritize mobile. So we have to be portable. And luckily we are (go to Marvel on a cell phone and weep). There's just one or two templates I still need to update. Sites can no longer afford to ignore their mobile performance. MediaWiki by nature has several strikes against it, as it is a 2005 product that's largely unchanged. As Wikipedia, Wikimedia's flagship, has such good name recognition, they can afford to ignore the SEO hits. But Fandom can't, and Fandom is a major stakeholder in MediaWiki as the second largest user. We, the DC Database, are big, established and usually end up on top, but we too have things that are major SEO killers - like large gallery subpages. But there isn't really a workable alternative to that. Marvel's idea of using cover galleries as the issue list is... just no. Look at it on a mobile screen. We'll have to take that hit, but we can alleviate that by adding captions. So by all means, add a caption if you make a gallery. Also, character galleries should be trimmed. There's no need for 85 images of Batman on a rooftop. Another hit point is large categories, as they're counted as duplicate pages by Google. Fandom has created Dynamic Categories to mitigate that, and we've got a custom solution for the classic view.


    I've made some SEO and UX improvements to our templates the past year, adding leads and hatnotes (but I don't like the current hatnotes and will fix them). I will probably take some more unilateral decisions regarding this, including with some page names and (Arrowverse). But there is something I will run by other admins, and I'm talking to FishTank about it more soon. He hates our page templates. I hate our page templates. They're restrictive, user-unfriendly and outdated. We love 2020 Jamie, but 2020 us don't love 2005 Jamie. It's a big project and a big change, but we've discussed alternatives, and Page forms looks promising. This essentially works the same as the edit tool bar buttons, but instead of a character page template, it gives you an infobox and a set of standard headers. We've got some kinks to iron out, like maintenance categories, but from what I know of Page Forms, it can work.


    I'll be happy to try and explain more and answer other questions once I'm less jet lagged.

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    • Yes. Upset the established order. Introduce a little anarchy. Yadda yadda yadda.

      In truth, changes are long overdue and they should be implemented asap.

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    • Keep Rapunzel’s name out your mouth!

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    • She was really cool though. Now I've gotta go see Tangled.

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    • Interesting. So at what point should all these ideas/changes be all here, together? Are we looking at a few months, or could this the girth of the decade? And how fast will it take affect? On the next app update? And um… what are crawlers? Sorry if I’m swamping you with questions, I’m just concerned and a little excited.

      So I was right about you giving all these new Arrowverse pages post crisis updates their new names! At least some of them 🤗! And you said you wouldn’t do it 😏😂! They give in, they always give in 😈.

      Seems like we’ve got a real gamechanger on our hands. Other than the caption request, could I help in anyway? It’s always good to see major companies(?) adapt.

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      1. I've borrowed someone's notes. Q1, new wikis will be put on the UCP. Q2, some 3-4k test communities. Big wikis towards the end, once the kinks have been worked out, possibly even Q3. Technically speaking, UCP is not an improvement, but a framework to build improvement. It also merges Fandom and Gamepedia content but that's not really relevant for us. For a look at new user profiles, compare it to those on Gamepedia, like this random one.
      2. Crawlers

      The caption request is more an SEO than major update thing. You can also help by adding leads to articles that don't have them.

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    • I'll be pretty happy with the migration as I am hoping that it will fix some of the crusty issues with the current outdated MediaWiki such as it retaining circular references to deleted elements and phantom categories. At the very least, the API will finally be available to fix such issues.

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    • Is the link for the main NE and PE pages of characters on the disambug not working for anyone else on mobile?

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    • Known issue. I'll look at it when I'm less jet lagged.

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    • No forums from now on? Aww, where else am I going to post my thoughts about stuff without one dozen of fanboys screaming "Heresy!" because I dared to imply that Byrne's Superman wasn't perfect in every respect?

      I hope the new changes are beneficial to the site and an improvement for both us and Wiki users.

      "Is the link for the main NE and PE pages of characters on the disambug not working for anyone else on mobile?"

      It doesn't work for me, either. I click on the character name, and nothing. I click on the character image and it merely becomes enlarged. Tupka is already aware.

      Moving on. Galleries are indeed an issue, and unfortunately I think it will not be solved in the foreseeable future.

      I'm looking forward to try the new templates.

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    • I assumed that galleries were meant to show when a different costume was used or different artist' renditions of the character, but I've seen a lot of galleries where the images have the gallery owner in the background, out of focus, or the same costume by the same artist repeatedly.

      I always add a caption when I add any images and try to remove any redundant ones, but I never know how much is too much removed. But there are galleries where there are just too many images.

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    • Cocaine?

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    • BrawnyOak wrote: I assumed that galleries were meant to show when a different costume was used or different artist' renditions of the character.

      Ideally, that should be the case. However, a few users got carried away in the past and thus the current issue.

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    • MektonZ wrote: No forums from now on? Aww, where else am I going to post my thoughts about stuff without one dozen of fanboys screaming "Heresy!" because I dared to imply that Byrne's Superman wasn't perfect in every respect?

      I know this is a non-sequitur, but Byrne's Superman was wrong in almost every respect and even the ideas he had which were good and which lasted were executed better when the elements of "classic Superman" was no longer taboo with editorial and the creative teams.

      Probably not the right place to discuss this though

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    • Kerfuffles2 wrote:

      MektonZ wrote: No forums from now on? Aww, where else am I going to post my thoughts about stuff without one dozen of fanboys screaming "Heresy!" because I dared to imply that Byrne's Superman wasn't perfect in every respect?

      I know this is a non-sequitur, but Byrne's Superman was wrong in almost every respect and even the ideas he had which were good and which lasted were executed better when the elements of "classic Superman" was no longer taboo with editorial and the creative teams.

      Probably not the right place to discuss this though

      I certainly completely agree, and I think those who think only nostalgia-blinded fanboys dislike his run are naive because the reboot was steeped in Golden Age/the Fleischer cartoons/the George Reeves' show's nostalgia... but it's true this isn't the place to have this discussion. Thank you anyway.

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    • No, it's off-topic here.

      And I wish I could already be doing things, but the Database Dump is stuck. Again. Also, I have major con crud. Why are all cough syrups also laxatives?

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